SHOCKING : HIV AIDS IS A SECRET WEAPON TO KILL AFRICANS (Page 4)

Date: 10-02-2012 8:58 am (12 years ago) | Author: obama
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 09:48 AM (12 years ago)
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@Cammy, You should know our feelings of each other is quite mutual!!

You are quick to accept the theory that AIDS/HIV originated from A bush man in africa contacting it from monkeys!! Such a load of bullocks you guys peddle to cover up your tracks. Are you aware of the lawsuit between Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier? Am sure not, but believing this crap about naive African bush man is more credible as it's widely accepted by the Europeans and their broadcasting network..................What you reference as facts, is really a shame!!
Posted: at 16-02-2012 09:48 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 09:58 AM (12 years ago)
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You said "Well, the BBC is at least not run by deluded morons". From your point of view not mine. Personally I think deluded morons are miles better than a racist, lying, genocide loving pigs!!
Posted: at 16-02-2012 09:58 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 10:31 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 09:48 AM
@Cammy, You should know our feelings of each other is quite mutual!!

You are quick to accept the theory that AIDS/HIV originated from A bush man in africa contacting it from monkeys!! Such a load of bullocks you guys peddle to cover up your tracks. Are you aware of the lawsuit between Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier? Am sure not, but believing this crap about naive African bush man is more credible as it's widely accepted by the Europeans and their broadcasting network..................What you reference as facts, is really a shame!!

Democrazy, the Gallo/Montagnier lawsuit was over the question of who first isolated the HIV virus. It has nothing to do with your claims about HIV.

I see you didn't even bother with the link to Nature. That was predictable.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 10:31 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 10:32 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 09:58 AM
You said "Well, the BBC is at least not run by deluded morons". From your point of view not mine. Personally I think deluded morons are miles better than a racist, lying, genocide loving pigs!!

I see that you're beyond reasoning with at the moment. When you've stopped frothing at the mouth, read the Nature article.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 10:32 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 11:13 AM (12 years ago)
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Cammy, there is no fact contained in either links you displayed. If there is and am not getting it, please highlight it and paste it here so we can discuss this proof of yours! You need not insult me, it's just shows your lack of wisdom!!
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 12:16 PM (12 years ago)
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According to your acceptable Wiki..............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_early_AIDS_cases

The earliest suspected AIDS case in 1959 of Ardouin Antonio, a 49-year-old Jamaican from Haiti was inconclusive. No research or fact has proven AIDS case before this year. And Haiti is another story i wont delve into. So you not answering my question and seeking links makes me know you have no knowledge of fact that HIV/AIDS was not originated by jewish scientists between 1955 and 1959!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_AIDS

There is no proof or reasonable theory to support the case that simian immunodeficiency virus(SIV) was transferred to MAN by apes in 1930s. Please note that Black people living in this region have been there for milania, so why 1930, why not decades before that?...................
Posted: at 16-02-2012 12:16 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 12:18 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 11:13 AM
Cammy, there is no fact contained in either links you displayed. If there is and am not getting it, please highlight it and paste it here so we can discuss this proof of yours! You need not insult me, it's just shows your lack of wisdom!!


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Ancient origin for monkey version of HIV
Long history of SIV suggests HIV won't quickly become benign
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The HIV-like virus that infects monkeys is at least 100,000 if not millions of years old, scientists reported this week at a meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences. The vast age of the monkey virus, which does not cause illness in most of its hosts, suggests that it may take a long time for HIV to become equally benign in humans.
"Don't expect human evolution to unfold in a timeframe that will do anything good for us," Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, told meeting attendees. "We're not going to evolve adaptations that will mitigate this virus in any acceptable timescale, so we need other solutions."
Most researchers agree that the pandemic strain of HIV that currently infects more than 33 million people worldwide started in central Africa around 100 years ago, when hunters contracted the virus through tainted bushmeat.


I've bolded the relevant bit.

There's also this:

http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm - BUT - read all of it, not just the bits that you like.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 12:18 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 12:20 PM (12 years ago)
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So you not answering my question and seeking links makes me know you have no knowledge of fact that HIV/AIDS was not originated by jewish scientists between 1955 and 1959!!

Hang on - so you're saying that it's a fact that Jewish scientists didn't create the AIDS virus between 1955 and 1959?
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 12:24 PM (12 years ago)
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NO! I am saying it is a fact that Dr. Ghislain Courtois and Dr hilary Koprowski are involved in the creation of AIDS.
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 12:33 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 16-02-2012 12:18 PM
I've bolded the relevant bit.

There's also this:

http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm - BUT - read all of it, not just the bits that you like.


I think you should read this too................shows you how wrong Michael Worobey was!!

http://www.aidsorigins.com/content/view/214/63/
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 01:26 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 12:24 PM
NO! I am saying it is a fact that Dr. Ghislain Courtois and Dr hilary Koprowski are involved in the creation of AIDS.

You are blatantly (and willingly) wrong. You have no evidence for that claim. The fact is that they isolated the virus.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:26 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 01:27 PM (12 years ago)
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An extract from the link above..............

To sum up, it is now clear that there is a substantial cover-up going on about the CHAT research that took place in Stanleyville/Kisangani in the 1950s - and that that cover-up began back in the 1950s. Certain specific details are now apparent, among them the following.....


A) Michael Worobey, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is now a key member of a Belgian-American cover-up, designed to protect the people who made and administered the suspect oral polio vaccine that appears to have introduced SIVcpz (chimpanzee SIV) to the human population, where it became redesignated as HIV-1. Unfortunately, it is now quite apparent that the cover-up is also designed to protect the governments that authorised and backed the testing of this experimental vaccine in the 1950s in nearly one million African "volunteers". (Like several other of the proponents of the bushmeat hypothesis, Professor Worobey benefits from substantial grants from government and private foundation sources. For instance, the laboratory of the misguided coordinator of the bushmeat school, Beatrice Hahn, currently enjoys a $5 million grant from the Gates Foundation

Gates Foundation is also BIG with Monsato.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:27 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 01:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 12:33 PM
I think you should read this too................shows you how wrong Michael Worobey was!!

http://www.aidsorigins.com/content/view/214/63/


Edward Hooper has been debunked: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088472/pdf/TB010825.pdf
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:31 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 01:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 16-02-2012 01:26 PM
You are blatantly (and willingly) wrong. You have no evidence for that claim. The fact is that they isolated the virus.
Dr. Ghislain Courtois and Dr hilary Koprowski isolated no virus. They were in charge of vaccinating Africans with the virus under the guise of Polio erradication, starting from the Congo. This is why all the theories lead to Congo!! Even the idea of a bushman contacting HIV/AIDS from a monkey will also have to happen in Congo!! Am sure you wont agree.....Smiley but its all good!!
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:31 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 01:33 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 01:27 PM
An extract from the link above..............

To sum up, it is now clear that there is a substantial cover-up going on about the CHAT research that took place in Stanleyville/Kisangani in the 1950s - and that that cover-up began back in the 1950s. Certain specific details are now apparent, among them the following.....


A) Michael Worobey, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is now a key member of a Belgian-American cover-up, designed to protect the people who made and administered the suspect oral polio vaccine that appears to have introduced SIVcpz (chimpanzee SIV) to the human population, where it became redesignated as HIV-1. Unfortunately, it is now quite apparent that the cover-up is also designed to protect the governments that authorised and backed the testing of this experimental vaccine in the 1950s in nearly one million African "volunteers". (Like several other of the proponents of the bushmeat hypothesis, Professor Worobey benefits from substantial grants from government and private foundation sources. For instance, the laboratory of the misguided coordinator of the bushmeat school, Beatrice Hahn, currently enjoys a $5 million grant from the Gates Foundation

Gates Foundation is also BIG with Monsato.

Edward Hooper has been debunked. I am not sure what his angle is, but his use of terms like "the bushmeat school" show that he's not even trying to be objective.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:33 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 01:37 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 16-02-2012 01:31 PM
Dr. Ghislain Courtois and Dr hilary Koprowski isolated no virus. They were in charge of vaccinating Africans with the virus under the guise of Polio erradication, starting from the Congo. This is why all the theories lead to Congo!! Even the idea of a bushman contacting HIV/AIDS from a monkey will also have to happen in Congo!! Am sure you wont agree.....Smiley but its all good!!

I was thinking of the others mentioned before. My bad!

But trying to look this topic up further has its problems - just about every link seems to be something to do with Edward Hooper's claims.
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:37 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 16-02-2012 01:39 PM (12 years ago)
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For now, this is all that I can offer is rebuttal, not that it's going to do any good:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3067030
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:39 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-02-2012 01:42 PM (12 years ago)
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Cammy, If this was a natural occurence with no foul play, then there wont be this many scientific versions or disputes. If there trully is a culprit, then am sure his antics will not be openly available for others to judge and be witness to. Remeber you cant convince me of truth, neither can I. We can only discuss!!
Posted: at 16-02-2012 01:42 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 17-02-2012 12:04 AM (12 years ago)
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Democrazy, scientists are a very varied bunch, and they include fanatics and the deluded in their ranks. It is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of scientists in the appropriate field are reputable, and they would tell you that there is no evidence for the deliberate creation or introduction of AIDS.

Of course, I am wasting my time saying that.
Posted: at 17-02-2012 12:04 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- PreciousA at 17-02-2012 07:34 AM (12 years ago)
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Cammy, thanks for the most interesting links.
I certainly learnt a great deal from them.
Especially that Nature link.

For me, the relevant part was this:
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...Worobey compared DNA sequences taken from SIV strains infecting drills from both Bioko and the mainland. Crucially, he knew from geological records that the island separated from continental Africa around 12,000 years ago. Assuming that the strains had had at least 12,000 years to evolve apart, he determined that the mutation rate of SIV is much slower than originally thought. Using this approach, he suggested that earlier DNA-based calculations were wrong, and estimated that SIV must be at least 100,000 years old.

Off to read your other links.
It's a shame democrazy won't permit himself to learn, but I'm sure the many readers of this thread are!
Thanks again, Cammy.
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