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Forum / Religion / Re: IS MOHAMMED IN HEAVEN? |
on: 11-06-2010 11:53 AM
| SO, WHERE IS HE IF HE WAS NOT KILL BY YOUR FATHERS WHO CALL EVIL GOOD?
To answer that question of yours we are informed in the Qur'an:
"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said 'Who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, 'we are Gods helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. 'And they devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God said, 'Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)
As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else was crucified.
"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)
The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However, explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all His Messengers.
NO, NO NO AND NO, IT WOULD NOT STAND TO PROVE YOUR POINT NEITHER WILL IT SETTLE IT. IN FACT, THOSE VERSES YOU QOUTED FROM QURAN (SURA 4:157-158 AL HILALI ET AL), COMPLICATE THE ISSUE MORE THAN YOU MAY REALISE. FOR EXAMPLE, MANY SECTS OF ISLAM HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF THESE TWO VERSES. SO WHATEVER INTERPRETATION YOU GIVE IT IS NOT CONCLUSIVE. I AM HAPPY YOU HAVE QUOTED FROM PROFESSORS AL HILALI AND MUHSIN KHAN'S TRANSLATION. YOU WIIL NOTICE THAT THESE PROFESSORS OF ARABIC HAVE INSERTED MANY WORDS IN BRACKETS TO EXPLAIN THE VERSES BECAUSE THEY ARE AWARE OF THE CONTROVERSIES BEHIND THE VERSES. NOW, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN EXAMINING THE VARIOUS ISLAM INTERPRETATION OF THIS. ALL I WANT US TO SEE IS THIS: THE QURAN IS QUOTING THE JEW WHO WERE THE ENEMIES OF JESUS AS SAYING, WE KILL MESSIAH ISA(JESUS), SON OF MARYAM (MARY), THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH. I WANT REALISE THAT THAT STATEMENT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE STATEMENT. THE JEW WHO WERE THE ENEMIES OF JESUS COULD NEVER HAVE SAID SO. THEY NEVER BELIEVE JESUS TO BE THE MESSIAH. IF THE BELIEVED JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH, THEY COULD NEVER HAVE KILLED HIM OR EVEN ATTEMPTED TO DO SO. IT WAS EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY FELT HE WAS NOT WHAT HE CLAIMED TO BE - NAMELY THE MESSIAH- THAT THAT THEY FELT THEY HAD TO ELIMINATE HIM FOR DECEIVING THEM OR RAISING THEIR HOPE IN VAIN.NOW LET ME ASK THIS- WITH RESPECT TO WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE; IF QURAN WAS TRUELY INSPIRED BY GOD OR WRITEN BY GOD, HOW COULD IT DENY A FACT OF HISTORY? BY DENYING THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST, THE QURAN CRUCIFIES ITSELF! I WILL ADVISE YOU, PRESONALLY, THAT IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED HISTORICALLY, YOU DONT GO ABOUT DENYING IT OR YOU EXPOSE YOURSELF TO RIDICULE. OTHERS MAY BE DOING THAT BECAUSE OF SOME FINANCIAL GAINS THEY AREGETTING FROM ISLAM BY ATTACKING THE CHRISTIANS FAITH. LET US CHERISH INTELLECTUAL DIGNITY. WE HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY IT IS ONLY IN ISLAM THAT PEOPLE DENY THE DEATH OF CHRIST, OTHER RELIGIONS RESPECT HISTORY. THE ONLY ''PROOF'' MUSLIMS PRESENT FROM THEIR QURAN IS THAT MOHAMMED SAW A VISION FRON ALLAH DENYING THE DEATH OF CHRIST. ALL WE CAN SAY HERE IS THAT A VISION THAT DENIES HISTORY PUTS ITSELF INTO THE CATEGORY OF deceptio visus. [/color]
The holy bible states that : "And this is life eternal that they should know Thee the only True God and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent." (John 17:3).
I accept this message of Christ Jesus just like many other Muslims and we muslims do not deny History of Christianity but what you believe in is what is called Conjecture.
What was said in the book of John has been the same as what the Holy Quran was telling mankind for the past fourteen hundred years - that all must believe in the One and Only God Almighty, and Jesus Christ is only a Messenger of God. The words of the Holy Quran are as follows:-
"Most Certainly the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was an apostle of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles" (The Holy Quran 4:171)
And the Holy bible further makes this clear: "A new commandment I give unto you. That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love for one another." (John 13:34-35)
What is so hard to comprehend in the verse above, the message of Christ Jesus was clear and simple.
You have insulted just like many others have done but let me ask you inemx, what manner of Christianity is that for being rude and insultive? Do not forget what Christ said:
"Judge not that ye be not judged." "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2)
Now regarding interpretations, scholars are not God neither Prophets. Let me draw your attention to the book of Luke:
"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (Luke 3:23)
"(As was supposed). "Do you see that the words 'As was supposed' are written within brackets?" well if not yours i can find that in many Bible. Can you please tell me why the words are in Bracket?
"If you do not know, then let me tell you what the brackets are doing there in this verse. You do not have to take the trouble of looking for a Bible scholar."
In the "most ancient" manuscripts of Luke, the words "As was supposed" are not there. Your translators felt that without this interpolation the, ordinary Christians, not well grounded in faith, might slip and fall into the error of believing that Joseph the Carpenter was the actual physical father of Jesus. So they took the precaution of adding their own comment in brackets to avoid any misunderstanding.
"I am not trying to find fault with your system of adding words in brackets to assist the reader, but what intrigues me is that in all translations of the Bible in the African and Eastern languages you have retained the words "as was supposed" but have removed the brackets!. Couldn't the nations of the Earth besides the English understand the meaning and purpose of the brackets?
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Forum / Religion / Re: IS MOHAMMED IN HEAVEN? |
on: 10-06-2010 05:43 PM
| SO, WHERE IS HE IF HE WAS NOT KILL BY YOUR FATHERS WHO CALL EVIL GOOD?
To answer that question of yours we are informed in the Qur'an:
"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said 'Who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, 'we are Gods helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. 'And they devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God said, 'Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)
As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else was crucified.
"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)
The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However, explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all His Messengers.
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on: 10-06-2010 05:37 PM
| @ inemx, can you prove it that Jesus christ ( may the peace of Allah be upon him) is the son of God and where in the Holy Bible does he call himself a son of God? I will be glad if you can prove it clearly. But we (muslims can prove that Jesus was a prophet like other prophets before him
FROM THE STORY YOU MUST HAVE HEARD OR READ, JESUS WAS ARRESTED BY SOLDIERS, LED BY JEWISH RELIGION LEADERS, WAS CONDENMED BY PONTIUS PILATE AND CRUCIFIED. THAT IS HISTORY. THE QUESTION IS: WHY WAS HE EVEN ARRESTED, CONDENMED AND HANGED ON THE CROSS? WHAT WERE THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM? THAT HE DIDN'T CONFORM TO THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION- YOU WOULD SAY... YES OR NO. JOHN 5;18 SAYS, ''the jews sought all more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.'' YOU SEE? HE WAS ACCUSED OF BREAKING A TRADITION. BUT MORE THAN THAT, HE CLAIMED DEITY. AGAIN IN JOHN 10:30-39, THE LORD SAID, '' I and My Father are one.'' Then the jews took up stones again tO stone Him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shown you from My Father. For which of those works do ye stone Me'' The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being man, maketh thyself God'' ...If Ido not do the works of My Father, believe Me not, but if i do, though you do not believe me that the father is in me, and I in Him''. Therefore they sought again to arrest him, but He escaped out of their hand. SO, YOU SEE THAT JESUS ACTUALLY CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE. AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR REASON WHY THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE OF HIS DAYS WERE SEEKING TO KILL HIM. THERE WAS NO SINGLE CRIME OF WHICH THEY CONVICT HIM, BUT OF WHAT THEY REGARDED AS BLASPHEMY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM MUSLIMS HAVE WITH CHRISTIANITY- BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN WHAT JESUS SAYS HE IS. YOU SEE, IF JESUS WERE TO BE HERE TODAY, DO YOU REALISE HE MIGHT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH ISLAMIC LEADERS AS HE HAD WITH THE PHARISEES OF HIS DAYS? [/color]
". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ."
"And he went a little further, and fell on his face (Exactly as the Muslim does in Salaat), and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt."
(This is the quality of a good Muslim who submits his will to the will of God).
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26: 37-39
"And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly;
and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground’’
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:44
If he was God or son of God, why was he not prepared? Why all this bewailing and lamentation? Is he crying to save his skin? It would be highly cynical on his part to do that! Did he not advise others:
"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out . . . And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 5:29-30
We would be doing Jesus a grave injustice if we thought that he was crying like a woman to save his body from physical harm. He was crying for his people — the Jews. They held a queer logic, that if they succeeded in killing any would-be Messiah (Christ), it would be a sure proof of his imposture. For God Almighty will never allow His truly "anointed one" (Christ) 1 to be killed — (Deuteronomy 18:20).
Jesus was never aware From the "call to arms" in the upper-room, and the masterful deployment of forces at Gethsemane, and the blood-sweating prayer to the God of Mercy for help, it appears that Jesus knew nothing about the contract for his crucifixion. It reminds one of the Biblical Abraham, leading his son to the slaughter with the bluff that the Lord will provide a 'scape-goat.'
If this was God's plan for a vicarious atonement to redeem mankind, then obviously He had chosen a wrong substitute. This candidate was most reluctant to die. Arming! Wailingi Sweating! Crying! Complaining! 1 Contrast these responses with those of Lord Nelson, a war-hero, who gave up the ghost with these undying words:
"THANK GOD, I HAVE DONE MY DUTY!". There are millions today, who would happily immolate themselves for king and country, with smiles on their faces, with shouts of "Allahu-akbar!" or "God save the Queen!" Jesus was an un-willing victim. If this was God's scheme of salvation, then it was a heartless plot. It was murder in the first degree, and not redeeming self-sacrifice.
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Forum / Religion / Re: IS MOHAMMED IN HEAVEN? |
on: 10-06-2010 05:23 PM
| @ inemx, can you prove it that Jesus christ ( may the peace of Allah be upon him) is the son of God and where in the Holy Bible does he call himself a son of God? I will be glad if you can prove it clearly. But we (muslims can prove that Jesus was a prophet like other prophets before him
FROM THE STORY YOU MUST HAVE HEARD OR READ, JESUS WAS ARRESTED BY SOLDIERS, LED BY JEWISH RELIGION LEADERS, WAS CONDENMED BY PONTIUS PILATE AND CRUCIFIED. THAT IS HISTORY. THE QUESTION IS: WHY WAS HE EVEN ARRESTED, CONDENMED AND HANGED ON THE CROSS? WHAT WERE THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM? THAT HE DIDN'T CONFORM TO THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION- YOU WOULD SAY... YES OR NO. JOHN 5;18 SAYS, ''the jews sought all more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.'' YOU SEE? HE WAS ACCUSED OF BREAKING A TRADITION. BUT MORE THAN THAT, HE CLAIMED DEITY. AGAIN IN JOHN 10:30-39, THE LORD SAID, '' I and My Father are one.'' Then the jews took up stones again tO stone Him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shown you from My Father. For which of those works do ye stone Me'' The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being man, maketh thyself God'' ...If Ido not do the works of My Father, believe Me not, but if i do, though you do not believe me that the father is in me, and I in Him''. Therefore they sought again to arrest him, but He escaped out of their hand. SO, YOU SEE THAT JESUS ACTUALLY CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE. AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR REASON WHY THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE OF HIS DAYS WERE SEEKING TO KILL HIM. THERE WAS NO SINGLE CRIME OF WHICH THEY CONVICT HIM, BUT OF WHAT THEY REGARDED AS BLASPHEMY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM MUSLIMS HAVE WITH CHRISTIANITY- BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN WHAT JESUS SAYS HE IS. YOU SEE, IF JESUS WERE TO BE HERE TODAY, DO YOU REALISE HE MIGHT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH ISLAMIC LEADERS AS HE HAD WITH THE PHARISEES OF HIS DAYS? [/color]
"THE DEATH OF JESUS ON THE CROSS IS THE CENTRE OF ALL CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY. . . ALL CHRISTIAN STATEMENTS ABOUT GOD, ABOUT CREATION, ABOUT SIN AND DEATH HAVE THEIR FOCAL POINT IN THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST. ALL CHRISTIAN STATEMENTS ABOUT HISTORY, ABOUT THE CHURCH, ABOUT FAITH AND SANCTIFICATION, ABOUT THE FUTURE AND ABOUT HOPE STEM FROM THE CRUCIFIED CHRIST", Professor Jurgen Moltmann in his — "The Crucified God"
In a nutshell. No CrucifixionI — No Christianity! This is the experience of us Muslims, in this ocean of Christianity, which is Nigeria. A thousand sects and denominations of Christianity are vying with one another to redeem the "heathen" (as they say) from hell-fire.
However, in this battle no Christian priest, parson or predikant, or hot-gospeller, local or imported, will ever endeavour to teach the Muslim something about hygiene; for we Muslims can claim to be the most hygienic people (I am talking about personal hygiene).
Nor do they endeavour to teach us about hospitality; for we are the most hospitable of people. Nor about ethics or morality; for we are the most moral people — (as a whole) i.e. we don't drink, we don't gamble, we don’t date, court or dance; we pray 5 times a day, we fast for one whole month during the Muslim Holy month of Ramadaan; and we take pleasure in being a charitable people.
Despite any of our shortcomings, we venture to suggest that there is not another group of people that can "show a candle" to us in brotherhood, in piety or in sobriety.
Most Christians would always say "but you do not have salvation." Because salvation comes "only through the blood of the lord Jesus". "All your good works are like filthy rags", theysay. "If only you Muslims would accept the redeeming blood of Jesus, and take Jesus as your 'Personal Saviour', you Muslims, then would be like angels walking the earth."
What are we Muslims to say to this Christian claim? Nothing better than Allah's shattering reply to the Jewish boast!.
“And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam(Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge , they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e ‘Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) pbuh];” The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 4, Verse 157
Allah(God) made it clear, Jesus (pbuh) was neither killed nor crucified, Had the Christians accepted the Holy Quran as the Word of God, the problem of the crucifixion would never have arisen. They vehemently oppose the Quranic teaching and attack everything Islamic. In the words of Thomas Carlyle — "THEY (the Christians) HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO HATE THE MAN MOHAMED AND HIS RELIGION.
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Forum / Religion / Re: IS MOHAMMED IN HEAVEN? |
on: 10-06-2010 05:11 PM
| @ inemx, can you prove it that Jesus christ ( may the peace of Allah be upon him) is the son of God and where in the Holy Bible does he call himself a son of God? I will be glad if you can prove it clearly. But we (muslims can prove that Jesus was a prophet like other prophets before him
FROM THE STORY YOU MUST HAVE HEARD OR READ, JESUS WAS ARRESTED BY SOLDIERS, LED BY JEWISH RELIGION LEADERS, WAS CONDENMED BY PONTIUS PILATE AND CRUCIFIED. THAT IS HISTORY. THE QUESTION IS: WHY WAS HE EVEN ARRESTED, CONDENMED AND HANGED ON THE CROSS? WHAT WERE THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM? THAT HE DIDN'T CONFORM TO THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION- YOU WOULD SAY... YES OR NO. JOHN 5;18 SAYS, ''the jews sought all more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.'' YOU SEE? HE WAS ACCUSED OF BREAKING A TRADITION. BUT MORE THAN THAT, HE CLAIMED DEITY. AGAIN IN JOHN 10:30-39, THE LORD SAID, '' I and My Father are one.'' Then the jews took up stones again tO stone Him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shown you from My Father. For which of those works do ye stone Me'' The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being man, maketh thyself God'' ...If Ido not do the works of My Father, believe Me not, but if i do, though you do not believe me that the father is in me, and I in Him''. Therefore they sought again to arrest him, but He escaped out of their hand. SO, YOU SEE THAT JESUS ACTUALLY CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE. AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR REASON WHY THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE OF HIS DAYS WERE SEEKING TO KILL HIM. THERE WAS NO SINGLE CRIME OF WHICH THEY CONVICT HIM, BUT OF WHAT THEY REGARDED AS BLASPHEMY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM MUSLIMS HAVE WITH CHRISTIANITY- BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN WHAT JESUS SAYS HE IS. YOU SEE, IF JESUS WERE TO BE HERE TODAY, DO YOU REALISE HE MIGHT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH ISLAMIC LEADERS AS HE HAD WITH THE PHARISEES OF HIS DAYS? [/color]
Between Paul and Jesus who was the sent one? of course everybody will say its Christ and that is the more reason why we must pay heed to the message he was trying to pass which is to Keep God's commandments.
Most of you would remember the American historical researcher and mathematician, Michael H. Hart who published a book : "THE 100, THE TOP HUNDRED OR THE GREATEST HUNDRED IN HISTORY." In his book he gives the names of the 100 "Most Influential Men in History" and his reasons for their positions in his list. Amazingly, he (most probably a Christian) puts Muhummed (peace be upon him) FIRST1 in his hundred, and with good reasons too. And with equally good reasons he places Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), the man accepted as "Lord" and "Saviour" by nearly all his fellow Americans, number THREE.
Though there are at the moment 200 million more nominal Christians in the world than the 1000 million Muslims, Mr. Hart divides the credit for founding Christianity between Paul and Jesus, and he gives the greater portion to Paul. Hence the 3rd position for Jesus. Every knowledgeable Christian concedes that the real founder of Christianity is St. Paul and not Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).
In any event, if there is any division between a Muslim and a Christian on the grounds of dogma, belief, ethics or morality, then the cause of such conflict could be traced to an utterance of Paul found in his books of Corinthians, Phillipians, Galatians, Thessolanians, etc., in the Bible.
As against the teaching of the Master (Jesus) that salvation only comes through keeping of the commandments (Mathew 19:16-17), Paul nails the law and the commandments to the cross Paul nails the law and the commandments to the cross (Colossians 2:14) 1 and claims that salvation can only be obtained through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ:-
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."
(1 Corinthians 15:14)
According to St. Paul, there is nothing that Christianity can offer mankind, other than the blood and gore of Jesus. If Jesus did NOT die, and he was NOT resurrected from the dead, then there can be NO salvation in Christianity! "For all your good deeds", says the Christian dogmatist, "are like filthy rags" — (Isaiah 64:6). | | | | |
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on: 10-06-2010 09:17 AM
| @ inemx, can you prove it that Jesus christ ( may the peace of Allah be upon him) is the son of God and where in the Holy Bible does he call himself a son of God? I will be glad if you can prove it clearly. But we (muslims can prove that Jesus was a prophet like other prophets before him
My dear brother, he has no proof to give. His rudeness has clouded his sense of humor... | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: WHY SO MANY RELIGIONS? |
on: 10-06-2010 09:16 AM
| YOU DONT HAVE TO BORE PEOPLE ANYMORE WITH YOUR FANATICISM  Lol, if all your attitudes and rudeness are not fanaticism then i will take this a compliment....... | | | | |
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Forum / Health / Do u know wat u are putting under your armpits? |
on: 9-06-2010 05:00 PM
| | Deodorant and anti-perspirants are used to prevent embarrassing social situations. Naturally, smelling nice is part of good personal hygiene.
Most deodorants and anti-perspirants contain aluminium, parabens and propylene glycol. There are growing links between the chemicals found in such products and chronic diseases such as Alzheimer's and Bosom cancer.
aluminium is widely used and you may not be aware of the level of contact with aluminium. It is in anti-perspirants and deodorants. It is in soft drink cans (made of aluminium). It can also be found in medicine such as "buffered aspirins" and is used for many cooking utensils.
In deodorants and anti-perspirants it comes in the form of aluminium chloride or aluminium sulphate, it helps to stop you from sweating. However, sweating is an extremely important function of the body and it serves the purpose of maintaining the body temperature as well as eliminating toxins.
So the idea of stopping perspiration is in opposition to the body's natural health maintaining system. It makes no sense to "stop" perspiration since perspiration is a vital function.
Dr Chris Exley from Keele University, a researcher into the toxicity of aluminium, and awarded a Royal Society University Research Fellowship in the field "The Bioinorganic Chemistry of aluminium and Silicon" said:
Aluminium is a metalloestrogen, it is genotoxic, is bound by DNA and has been shown to be carcinogenic. The confirmed presence of aluminium in Bosom tissue biopsies highlights its potential as a possible factor in the aetiology of Bosom cancer
The World health Organization has linked exposure to aluminum to Alzheimer's disease, with higher frequencies of deodorant use corresponding to higher risks of developing Alzheimer's. Unusually high levels of aluminium accumulation has been found in the brains of people with Alzheimer's disease. Further, when aluminium is injected into the brains of laboratory animals, the animals develop a neurological disease similar to Alzheimer's.
Then we have parabens which are used as preservatives. The problem with them is that they are similar to oestrogens in their activity and may disrupt the proper functioning or hormones in the body. There are studies showing that parabens have been found in the tumours from Bosom cancer sufferers. They are mostly found in the area nearest to the underarm in the outer parts of the Bosom .
Another addition to these cosmetics is mineral oil which is used to block pores, thereby subduing perspiration and preventing the detoxification process.
Then we have propylene glycol which is an agent that prevents substances from drying out. Propylene glycol was (and still is) used as an anti-freeze and it has found its way into deodorant. So what is propylene glycol? It is a neurotoxin that has been known to cause contact dermatitis, kidney and liver damage.
The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for propylene glycol by the National Institute for Occupational health and Safety warns workers to avoid skin contact with the toxic chemical. However, millions of people use it under their arms every single day. From the MSDS:
May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache, vomiting, and central nervous depression.
In addition when using spray-based deodorants and anti-perspirants, you inevitably inhale the toxic elements in these products.
So if you shouldn't prevent perspiration, how can you control the smell. Well it comes down largely to what you eat. Is that a surprise? It shouldn't be. Without being overly polite here, if your stool smells differently depending on what type of foods you eat, it should make sense that the smell of your sweat, to some degree or other, will be influenced likewise by what you eat. Lots of caffeine, for example, leads to a pungent type of body odour.
If you adhere to the optimum diet, which consists of mainly vegetables and fruit (80%) and limit the meat and unhealthy (oxidized, pro-inflammatory, polyunsaturated) fat intake, and also reduce the amount of refined carbohydrate intake, your body odour will not smell as bad.
This mean's that you will not have to take such drastic measures as sticking anti-freeze under your armpits, blocking your pores and preventing normal and essential bodily functions such as perspiration. This just makes your body retain the toxins that it is trying to excrete for your own protection and well-being.
As everybody is different, for some people even a change in diet may not be enough and they may find that they need "extra protection" against those embarrassing social situations.
If that is you, then you should try and search for aluminium-free,anti-freeze free, paraben-free cosmetics. There are many natural deodorants available now, so you have to experiment and find out which one works well for you.
Crystal deodorants can be very effective and there are plenty available on the market. You have to experiment and see which one works well for you.
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on: 9-06-2010 04:46 PM
| YOU DONT HAVE TO BORE PEOPLE ANYMORE WITH YOUR FANATICISM
SILENCE IS THE BEST FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT I WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE MY RELIGION WITH EVERYONE.
THIS SITE IS NOT MEANT FOR CHRISTIANS ALONE AND IT IS BECUASE OF PPLE LIKE U I CHOOSE TO STAY SO DAT I CAN ALWAYS CHALLENGE ALL THE LIES YOU ATTRIBUTE TO OUR RELIGION.
"THERE IS NO COMPULISON IN RELIGION"
THE RELIGION OF ISLAM IS FOREVER.....
TO HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR BITTER HEART.
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Forum / Religion / Jesus Freaks |
on: 9-06-2010 03:52 PM
| (BY A CHRISTIAN AUTHOR)
When I was a child, growing up in the sixties and seventies just a few blocks away from the notorious Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco, I was surrounded by the hippie movement. It was a “turn on, tune in, drop out” age of segxwal freedom, cultural revolution and social recklessness.
Happily, I was never caught up in the hippie movement, but being so close to it, I could not help but observe its development. One thing I clearly re-member is how many hippies were labeled “Jesus freaks.”
As I surf my childhood memories, nearly four decades later, this euphe-mism strikes me as having been decidedly peculiar.
These hippies were considered “Jesus freaks” because they dressed as Jesus did, grew their hair as he did, renounced materialism as he did, and propagated devotion to God, peace, charity and communal love.
Now, many whom embarked upon this path fell into hallucinogenic drug use and wanton segxwal proclivities—practices which are far from the ex-ample of Jesus—but this is not why these hippies were called Jesus freaks.
Rather, they were called Jesus freaks for their long hair, loose clothing, asceticism, communal unity and passivism, all a result of their effort to live like Jesus.
The House of Love and Prayer, located nearby in the avenues, was a col-lecting point for many of these well-meaning souls, and the title of the institution reflected their focus in life.
Looking back, what seems strange to me now is not that people would wish to embody Jesus’ values, but that others would criticize them for it. What seems even stranger is that few Christians, in the modern day, match this profile.
Indeed, what seemed most strange to me, prior to my conversion to Islam, is that Muslims seemed to embody Jesus’ values better than Christians.
Now, that assertion requires an explanation, and it goes like this: To begin with, both Christianity and Islam consider Jesus to have been a prophet of their religion.
However, whereas Jesus’ teachings have been lost from the creed and practices of most Christians (see my article, Where is the “Christ” in “Christianity?”), these same teachings are respected and evident in Islam.
Let us look at some examples.
Appearance
1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.
2. Jesus dressed modestly. If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles—much like the loose Ara-bian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or se-ductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.
3. Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.
Manners
1. Jesus focused upon salvation and eschewed finery. How many “right-eous” Christians fit this “It’s not just on Sundays” profile? Now how many “five prayers a day, every day of the year” Muslims?
2. Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” When we think of his speeches, we don’t imagine theatrics. He was a simple man known for quality and truth. How many preachers and how many evangelists follow this example?
3. Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of “Peace” (Luke 10:5), and then set the example: “Peace be with you” (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26). Who continues this practice to this day, Christians or Muslims? “Peace be with you” is the meaning of the Muslim greeting, “Assalam alaikum.” Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).
Religious Practices
1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.
2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14: . Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.
3. Jesus didn’t give or take usury, in compliance with the Old Testament prohibition (Exodus 22:25). Usury is forbidden in the Old Testament and the Quran, as it was forbidden in the religion of Jesus. The econo-mies of most Christian countries, however, are structured upon usury.
4. Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practicing Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practicing Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbor” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?
Practices of Worship
1. Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in refer-ence to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.
2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Jo-shua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Mus-lims?
3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:, and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.
4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is al-luded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).
Matters of Creed
1. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.
2. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?
In short, Muslims appear to be the “Jesus freaks” of modern day, if by that expression we mean those who live by God’s laws and Jesus’ example.
Carmichael notes, “… for a whole generation after Jesus’ death his fol-lowers were pious Jews and proud of it, had attracted into their fold mem-bers of the professional religious classes, and did not deviate even from the burdensome ceremonial laws.”
One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muham-mad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam.
Copyright © 2007 Laurence B. Brown.
About the author:
Laurence B. Brown, MD, can be contacted at [email protected]. He is the author of The First and Final Commandment (Amana Publications) and Bearing True Witness (Dar-us-Salam). | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Why so many Religion? |
on: 9-06-2010 03:43 PM
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If there is only one God, then why are there so many religions? All religions originated with Allah and then people began to add or take away from the teachings so as to take control over each other.
{This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your relig-ion.} [Holy Quran 5:3].
Allah does not force anyone to submit to Him. He has laid out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways (Heaven or Hell). The person is al-ways free to make his or her own choice.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in taghut (false gods and false wor-ship) and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
{Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darkness into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Auliya (sup-porters and helpers) are taghut [false gods and false worship.], they bring them out from light into darkness. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will remain there forever} [Holy Quran 2:256-257].
There is no compulsion in the way of "Islam." Whoever chooses to worship Al-lah without partners and is devoted to Him and is obeying His commands as much as possible has grasped the firm handhold that will never break. Who-ever denies God and chooses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell).
People began to seperate into different groups due to their rejection of truth and denial of clear proofs becoming evident to them from their Lord.
{And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salat and give Zakat, and that is the right religion.}. [Holy Quran 98:4-5].
Allah warns the Muslims not to fall into the same trap as the people before them, by disputing with each other and seperating into different religious groups :
{And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.
On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): "Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith} [Holy Quran 3:105-106].
People lied about the revelations, changed their scriptures and abused and even murdered the prophets whom Allah sent to them.
And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: {This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it. It is not (possible) for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book and Al-Hukm (the knowledge and under-standing of the laws of religion) and Prophethood to say to the people: "Be my worshippers rather than Allah's." On the contrary (he would say): "Be you Rabbaniyyun (learned men of religion who practise what they know and also preach others), because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it} [Holy Quran 3:78-79].
Prophets of Allah only ask people to worship Allah, as One God without part-ners. They would never ask people to worship them or anyone or anything else. Allah tells us in the Quran:
{Nor would he order you to take angels and Prophets for lords (gods). Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to Allah's Will?}
[Holy Quran 3:80].
Man-made religions are an abomination before the Lord and will never be ac-cepted.
{Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic Monotheism ــworshipping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned}. [Holy Quran 3:83].
Allah will only accept true submission, obedience and in purity and peace to His commandments.
{And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers}
[Holy Quran 3:85].
To believe in Allah and follow His Commandments has been the message of all prophets of monotheism.
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Forum / Religion / Re: We're Muslims and Proud of being in ISLAM |
on: 9-06-2010 12:15 PM
| Quote from: Baby-Adebowale on Yesterday at 06:55:01 AM
ISLAM is deen - Our way of life
Hoping all muslims will take it seriously n start a real Islam lifestyle not only take it as religion frm outside...
Wallahualam...
...AND WHAT IS THIS LIFESTYLE? CARNAL AND CASUAL RIGHT? WHAT A PRIDE.
Good muslim believer will know that (outsider wouldn't) it is all written in Al-Quran + known frm hadith n sunnah....furthermore in Islam there is no force in choosing ur own religion (we don't force people 2 convert 2 Islam)...up 2 d inviduals n wat their heart desire. We just pray that all people will have hidayah frm Allah...cause Allah that holds humans heart...
Well spoken my dear sister, if they have a problem with us being a Muslim there is nothing they can do abt it.
We are Muslims and proud.....
Allah is the greatest. | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: ADAM AND JESUS WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE THE CALLED THE SON OF GOD? |
on: 9-06-2010 11:52 AM
| ADAM WAS FIRST CREATED LONG LONG LONG LONG.... TYM BEFORE JESUS THE CHRIST CAME. SO WHO IS THEY TO GOD?
Christ already made it clear that he is not God:
"One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 'And Jesus said unto him, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? there is NONE GOOD BUT ONE. THAT IS GOD" MATTHEW 19:16-17
I hold nothing against you but i think its best if i stay away from you for the sake of peace.... | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: ADAM AND JESUS WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE THE CALLED THE SON OF GOD? |
on: 9-06-2010 11:13 AM
| ADAM WAS FIRST CREATED LONG LONG LONG LONG.... TYM BEFORE JESUS THE CHRIST CAME. SO WHO IS THEY TO GOD?
Thank God for we Muslims that we know the truth, I asked the question but the only answer i got from you was in an insultive tone.
Now let me tell my own answer you cause this is the last day i will respond to you posts cause you have been very insultive and rude and i dont want to be tempted to do the same cause thats not an Islamic way of life...
In the Quran there are clear evidences that God alone is one and not three:
(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be'' -- and he was. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.) [3:59-60]
((This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.) [3:60] When Allah mentioned that He created him as a servant and a Prophet, He extolled Himself, the Most Holy, by saying,
If you say that Christ is God then you are saying that He is racial?
"God" Came For The Jews Only: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)
"God" Was a Tribal Jew: "The lion of the tribe of Juda." (Revelation, 5:5)
Racial Discrimination of "God?: "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and
commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any
city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)
According to "God", The Gentiles Are Dogs?: "It is not meet to take the
children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." (matthew, 15:26)
A Weak "God?: "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven,
strengthening him." (Luke, 22:43)
The "God" of War? : Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew, 10:34)
The Sabre-Rattling "God?: Jesus said: "And he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke, 22:36) | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: Christians claim dat, Jesus is son of God, he had no father. So wat about Ad |
on: 9-06-2010 10:50 AM
| I NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT SPIRITUAL THINGS SOUND FOOLISH TO THE CARNALS AND HELL-BOUNDS. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON IN WHOM GOD IS WELL PLEASED.
HENCEFORTH I SHALL PAY NO HEED TO THAT BIG MOUTH OF YOURS. "SILENCE IS THE BEST ANSWER FOR A ________________ . YOU CAN FILL IN THE BLANK CAUSE U CHOOSE NOT TO LEARN BUT TO FOLLOW THE PATH OF IGNORANCE..... | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: WHICH GOD ANSWERS PRAYER |
on: 9-06-2010 10:48 AM
| waiting to read more
It depends on wat u want to know.....' AND WHO IS ARGUING WITH YOU? I HAVE CHOSEN ISLAM AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A MUSLIM TILL I DIE.
IF IT PAINS YOU SO MUCH, GO AND HIT YOUR HEAD ON A WALL.....NUMPTY  | | | | |
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Forum / Religion / Re: IS MOHAMMED IN HEAVEN? |
on: 8-06-2010 12:22 PM
| Fellow Muslims and Muslimots, we need not to be replying these bunch of Nuisance, as we all know that their religion (christianity) is all about discrimination, hatred, jealousy etc. Let's just stick to the believe that Islam is the religion of God, no matter how they try, Islam will remain Islam forever and ever.
@Harunshehu, well done bros. Good work there, May Allah reward you for this interesting Jihad of yours.
@Schegzy and the S-man thanks for the compliments but as you know it is part of our religion to share our knowledge with non-muslims , i am not here for inemx alone but for everybody both Muslims and non-muslims.
No matter how hard he tries to make us feel bad, we can never insult Christ for he is also in our holy book and one of the Greatest man that has ever lived and while we pray and send blessing to him what does he and his fellow haters do they insult our holy Prophet all in the name of Freedom.
Pls let us all be at peace for Allah(God) says in the Qur'an :
"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."
Holy Qur'an 16:125
We do not need to fight one another here, @ inemx you can carry on with your insults but the message must still be passed on to those whose hearts are not filled with bitterness and hatred whether Christian or Muslims.
LET US BE AT PEACE...... | | | | |
