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Quote from: hosbert on 1-07-2011 03:40 AM
@ Democracy
I do not want to believe that you are actually trying to drag me into explaining why this thread was captioned the way it is.Well,if you must know because I know exactly where you are driving at.It is actually a response to some previous threads that are religiously dedicated and propagated with such vehemence and effrontry challenging the christians to adduce proof of the existence of their God.Need I ask if you now realize the rationale behind the caption of the Thread? I have always said and still will say unequivocally that the christian God exists.Come to think of it,you know as you claim that christians are fakes,fine so why bother yourself about them and their believe and the existence of their God? Whatever the case,the christians are very bold,proud and resolute about their believe whether you agree with or not.What do you think if you contrast the whole scenario;I mean you have not boldly declared your own god that actually exists with proof(s),atleast if you are able to do so,you would have had a moral ground as well push the burden of countering your proof to the christians.Instead,you have chosen to attack others for the simple reason that you need proof about the existence of their God.My brother if you are able to proof that there is another god whose existence kind of diminishes the existence of the christian God ,please do not hesitate to produce your proof(s) before the court of public scrutiny.
Talking about faith,my Bible tells me that cursed is the man that puts his trust in another man (Jeremiah 17:5).When you refer to faith,please do not liken God to men as you comparison of God with politicians in our society cannot hold water.Man is not incapable of failure but only God is true and faithful.You will agree with me that a man is his word and cannot be seperated from it.In that sense,the Bible which is the Word of God contain positions or statements made by God.These statements which were held from time immemoral as the word of God have remained sacrosanct,not changing,nor failing but have continually continued to come to pass (Matthew 24:35).I do not need to chronicle plethora of these words of God that have come to fulfilment just the way it was said by God but suffice it to state briefly some of these words which have turned into remarkable and incontrivertible in man's history and the world.Remember Noah's Ark and the flood how God warned,foretold the flood in Genesis chapters 6 and 7;what about the birth of Jesus Christ,His death and resurrection,there all came to pass as contained in the Bible and concurred by even non christians.Tell me of another man who has been able to rise from death apart from Jesus Christ.Just to mention but a few.
Conccerning Faith,please there is no better definition faith than the one given by the Bible in Hebrews 11'Now faith is the subatance of things hoped for,evidence of things not seen'.Put in another way,faith is the response of the human spirit to the word of God.I know you would ask me and what about that,I mean my repeated reference to the word of God;simple.John 1:1 said"In the begining was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.If you look at verses 2 and 3 it say the same was in the begining with God.All things were made by him;and without him was not any thing made that was made.This is a confirmation of my earlier position that a man is his word,so the christian faith is hinged on the Word of God because it is the God manifested in writing.May be John 6:63 would help your understanding"...the word I speak to you is spirit and it is life".Also,the concept of faith is far pass human comprehension as it is to them apprehension like you said but it is so because 1Corinthians 2:5 made it clear thus: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,but in the power of God.You see,faith is sometthing you do not understand.
Finally about those whom you concieved from the scriptures you quoted to have and/or have not seen God,I refer you to Exodus 6:3 which states as follows: And I appeared unto Abraham,unto Isaac,and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. I know you are smart and would notice from this scripture that none of those you mentioned actually saw God as God manifested Himself by His name God Almighty or I AM to them.In essence,it was through the instrumentality of God's voice as He declared His person to them that is percieved as appearance.I pray God that the word of God will have a free course in your spirit,soul and body as you go through this such that you would come to the true knowledge of God in Christ Jesus,amen.
I do not want to believe that you are actually trying to drag me into explaining why this thread was captioned the way it is.Well,if you must know because I know exactly where you are driving at.It is actually a response to some previous threads that are religiously dedicated and propagated with such vehemence and effrontry challenging the christians to adduce proof of the existence of their God.Need I ask if you now realize the rationale behind the caption of the Thread? I have always said and still will say unequivocally that the christian God exists.Come to think of it,you know as you claim that christians are fakes,fine so why bother yourself about them and their believe and the existence of their God? Whatever the case,the christians are very bold,proud and resolute about their believe whether you agree with or not.What do you think if you contrast the whole scenario;I mean you have not boldly declared your own god that actually exists with proof(s),atleast if you are able to do so,you would have had a moral ground as well push the burden of countering your proof to the christians.Instead,you have chosen to attack others for the simple reason that you need proof about the existence of their God.My brother if you are able to proof that there is another god whose existence kind of diminishes the existence of the christian God ,please do not hesitate to produce your proof(s) before the court of public scrutiny.
Talking about faith,my Bible tells me that cursed is the man that puts his trust in another man (Jeremiah 17:5).When you refer to faith,please do not liken God to men as you comparison of God with politicians in our society cannot hold water.Man is not incapable of failure but only God is true and faithful.You will agree with me that a man is his word and cannot be seperated from it.In that sense,the Bible which is the Word of God contain positions or statements made by God.These statements which were held from time immemoral as the word of God have remained sacrosanct,not changing,nor failing but have continually continued to come to pass (Matthew 24:35).I do not need to chronicle plethora of these words of God that have come to fulfilment just the way it was said by God but suffice it to state briefly some of these words which have turned into remarkable and incontrivertible in man's history and the world.Remember Noah's Ark and the flood how God warned,foretold the flood in Genesis chapters 6 and 7;what about the birth of Jesus Christ,His death and resurrection,there all came to pass as contained in the Bible and concurred by even non christians.Tell me of another man who has been able to rise from death apart from Jesus Christ.Just to mention but a few.
Conccerning Faith,please there is no better definition faith than the one given by the Bible in Hebrews 11'Now faith is the subatance of things hoped for,evidence of things not seen'.Put in another way,faith is the response of the human spirit to the word of God.I know you would ask me and what about that,I mean my repeated reference to the word of God;simple.John 1:1 said"In the begining was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.If you look at verses 2 and 3 it say the same was in the begining with God.All things were made by him;and without him was not any thing made that was made.This is a confirmation of my earlier position that a man is his word,so the christian faith is hinged on the Word of God because it is the God manifested in writing.May be John 6:63 would help your understanding"...the word I speak to you is spirit and it is life".Also,the concept of faith is far pass human comprehension as it is to them apprehension like you said but it is so because 1Corinthians 2:5 made it clear thus: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,but in the power of God.You see,faith is sometthing you do not understand.
Finally about those whom you concieved from the scriptures you quoted to have and/or have not seen God,I refer you to Exodus 6:3 which states as follows: And I appeared unto Abraham,unto Isaac,and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. I know you are smart and would notice from this scripture that none of those you mentioned actually saw God as God manifested Himself by His name God Almighty or I AM to them.In essence,it was through the instrumentality of God's voice as He declared His person to them that is percieved as appearance.I pray God that the word of God will have a free course in your spirit,soul and body as you go through this such that you would come to the true knowledge of God in Christ Jesus,amen.
My brother I think there is no for further argument cos some people are spiritual deaf and dumps all thet need is prayers too. imagine the arguments!!!
