Zimbabwe and the inertia of African leaders

Date: 02-07-2008 2:15 am (15 years ago) | Author: FORTUNE A
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- at 2-07-2008 02:15 AM (15 years ago)
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Is the attitude of African rulers(especially Mbeki) towards the political crisis in Zimbabwe fair to the ordinary Zimbabwean?I think & know that the answer is an emphatic NO!!!!!!!!!

Posted: at 2-07-2008 02:15 AM (15 years ago) | Upcoming
- Godsson at 1-09-2008 12:53 AM (15 years ago)
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All of Africa is looking at the crisis in Zimbabwe as the business of the Zimbabwean people,forgetting that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.As long as Mugabe continue to destroy the economy,people will continue to migrate to other neighboring African states.Thereby putting pressures on the infrastructures & other social goods in those countries.These neighbouring state will continue to spend millions of Dollars to cater for Zimbabwean refugees.
So if any African country continue to operate on nimbyism,that's their funeral.They ll be affected by the crisis.And South Africa the regional power with the strongest economy there will be the biggest victim.
Thus,the SA govt & the ANC leadership should use any means possible(including force)to remove that confused wicked old man called Mugabe from office & solve the crisis in that country.The Crisis is not a Zimbabwean crisis alone.It's a regional crisis.The time to act is now!
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- zie85er at 2-09-2008 10:36 PM (15 years ago)
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d situation in zim. is not really as serious as the western media would have us believe.
well apart from the issues of human rights and blown up inflation,which is very much the case in some other countries(esp. human rights),lyf is close to normal in zim.do ur research.
they r  working on a power sharing deal which shuld do....

Posted: at 2-09-2008 10:36 PM (15 years ago) | Hero
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- Godsson at 3-09-2008 12:01 AM (15 years ago)
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ZIE85ER.Lol!
I wonder what U call a serious situation.A country that was called the "Food Basket" of South Africa now live on food aid & U tell me about Western Press?A country that had one of the first 5 strongest economies in Africa now ve a 250 Billion Dollar note & u say it aint serious?A country where citizens are killed at whim by the govt that was supposed to protect them is not serious enough 4 u?Pls,they dont ve inflation in Zimbabwe.What they ve is Stagflation.

As for ur power sharing deal,pls go back & check,it has collapsed.The STUPID Gaffer Mugabe is forming his new govt without the DMC.
Until we start putting issues in their proper perspective,& quit blaming the West for our self inflicted woes,Africa will remain stagnant.
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- zie85er at 4-09-2008 03:39 AM (15 years ago)
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Nobody is blaming the west for africa's woes,all i'm saying is that the exergeration by the western press is too much. they should stop painting africa black afterall every country has issues

Posted: at 4-09-2008 03:39 AM (15 years ago) | Hero
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- MOSADI at 4-09-2008 12:51 PM (15 years ago)
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Mugabe's MAJOR mistake  was to not give up power in the 9'ties. That was his MAJOR mistake. The other mistake was that, he did not choose or train a successor, I problem we are facing in SA. 

As for the actions he took, I support him fully. Land Reform? Yes,that was long coming. The timing was just wrong. He was under a lot of pressure. One thing that people fail to understand is that Zimbabwe is the ONLY African country that is self sustained at this moment in time. They are not getting any financial help from the world bank due to the sunctions that were inposed on them thus,their economy collapsed dismally. MUGABE did no mess up the country, the Westeners did and are still doing it. The British and the Americans managed to convince other countries to stop supporting Zim as well and South Africa is the ONLY country that said :'NO! We stand by Mugabe'. 60% of the Industry belongs to the South Africans. Electricity is from SA. Food..etc ect.. South Africa is doing a lot to help improve the situation in Zim. Putting Morgan Tshangirai in power is not the answer either. WHat does he know?What will he do? He is Britains own puppet. They are busy dangling the carrot infront of his face and he is going for it.

The situation in Zim is not as bad as the media potrays it to be. Do you know that in Kenya, about 3500 people died within a month due to political violence?  In Zim, 500 people died in 10 years due to the political riots.

The thing is, we need to know the FACTS before trying to point fingers. There is a lot that we dont know about the Zim situation! Politics is just a dirty game....

But one thing for sure, Mugabe has to go and Morgan, should not take over.

Posted: at 4-09-2008 12:51 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- Godsson at 5-09-2008 10:15 PM (15 years ago)
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MOSADI

I appreciate ur knowledge on the Zimbabwean Crisis.U obviously know the statistics.Unfortunately,I am not an Economist, so I dont ve much faith in statistics.I am a Political Scientist specialized in International Relations,Political Thought & Niger Delta Studies.I know U'll be wondering why am bringing my discipline into this.It's because I want U to understand my framework of analysis.Now,let me deal with the pertinent issues U raised.

First,U said"As for the actions he took, I support him fully.How can U support policies that ve turned one of the 5 strongest economies in Africa into one of the three least developed ?You talked about the Land reform.I am not the idea of Land reform Policy(LRP).What am against is the lack of vision on the part of Mugabe and his cohorts.The LRP was not born out of any genuine intention to develop Zim.It was a political stratagem to distract the people of the major issues in that country. It was a ploy to prolong his stay in the citadel of power.Thus,he did not take the economic implications of the policy into cognizance.He was only concerned with fanning the embers of of racial sentiment in the country in order to consolidate his political base.This is a major problem all over Africa.The maniacal zeal for power by the political elite blind them from looking at any other part of their countries' social formation.They all believe in the saying SEEK YE FIRST THE POLITICAL KINGDOM & EVERY OTHER THING WILL BE ADDED ONTO YOU.So they subordinate any other consideration to the pursuit of their parochial interest.Viz:their personal political survival.
In other to effectively do this,they personalize the state.The state now become their personal estate.Thus,Ur second point"One thing that people fail to understand is that Zimbabwe is the ONLY African country that is self sustained at this moment in time. They are not getting any financial help from the world bank due to the sanctions that were imposed on them thus,their economy collapsed dismally." does not hold water.

Although,I've always being against Economic Sanctions(knowing that it is the ordinary people that suffers from them),Sanctions dont just come.They are caused by the actions of states.If Mugabe love the people of Zimbabwe,knowing the his continued stay in office is the major cause of the sanctions & by extension,the sufferings of the mass,he would ve resigned.Instead,in his old age,he still rigged an election that he clearly lost.

Who told Mugabe that he is the Messiah of Zimbabwe?He has been ruling that country since 1980.Why not allow others to serve their father's land?

The problem of Zimbabwe is squarely on Mugabe.He is the albatross.

You said SA is helping?They only help they can give is to either persuade Mugabe to step down or force him out.Until they do that,they are the sponsors of a rouge regime.They are like the governments that supported apartheid.

Whether Tshangarai & the MDC   are puppets or not,Zimbabwe need CHANGE. 
Posted: at 5-09-2008 10:15 PM (15 years ago) | Upcoming
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- Godsson at 14-09-2008 09:37 PM (15 years ago)
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I am happy the parties in this crisis ve reached an agreement.However,I am still very much skeptical about Mugabe's willingness to honor such accords.Let's look on.
Posted: at 14-09-2008 09:37 PM (15 years ago) | Upcoming
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- TheTruth at 30-09-2008 12:05 AM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: MOSADI on  4-09-2008 12:51 PM
Mugabe's MAJOR mistake  was to not give up power in the 9'ties. That was his MAJOR mistake. The other mistake was that, he did not choose or train a successor, I problem we are facing in SA. 

As for the actions he took, I support him fully. Land Reform? Yes,that was long coming. The timing was just wrong. He was under a lot of pressure. One thing that people fail to understand is that Zimbabwe is the ONLY African country that is self sustained at this moment in time. They are not getting any financial help from the world bank due to the sunctions that were inposed on them thus,their economy collapsed dismally. MUGABE did no mess up the country, the Westeners did and are still doing it. The British and the Americans managed to convince other countries to stop supporting Zim as well and South Africa is the ONLY country that said :'NO! We stand by Mugabe'. 60% of the Industry belongs to the South Africans. Electricity is from SA. Food..etc ect.. South Africa is doing a lot to help improve the situation in Zim. Putting Morgan Tshangirai in power is not the answer either. WHat does he know?What will he do? He is Britains own puppet. They are busy dangling the carrot infront of his face and he is going for it.

The situation in Zim is not as bad as the media potrays it to be. Do you know that in Kenya, about 3500 people died within a month due to political violence?  In Zim, 500 people died in 10 years due to the political riots.

The thing is, we need to know the FACTS before trying to point fingers. There is a lot that we dont know about the Zim situation! Politics is just a dirty game....

But one thing for sure, Mugabe has to go and Morgan, should not take over.


Quote from: Godsson on  5-09-2008 10:15 PM
MOSADI

I appreciate ur knowledge on the Zimbabwean Crisis.U obviously know the statistics.Unfortunately,I am not an Economist, so I dont ve much faith in statistics.I am a Political Scientist specialized in International Relations,Political Thought & Niger Delta Studies.I know U'll be wondering why am bringing my discipline into this.It's because I want U to understand my framework of analysis.Now,let me deal with the pertinent issues U raised.

First,U said"As for the actions he took, I support him fully.How can U support policies that ve turned one of the 5 strongest economies in Africa into one of the three least developed ?You talked about the Land reform.I am not the idea of Land reform Policy(LRP).What am against is the lack of vision on the part of Mugabe and his cohorts.The LRP was not born out of any genuine intention to develop Zim.It was a political stratagem to distract the people of the major issues in that country. It was a ploy to prolong his stay in the citadel of power.Thus,he did not take the economic implications of the policy into cognizance.He was only concerned with fanning the embers of of racial sentiment in the country in order to consolidate his political base.This is a major problem all over Africa.The maniacal zeal for power by the political elite blind them from looking at any other part of their countries' social formation.They all believe in the saying SEEK YE FIRST THE POLITICAL KINGDOM & EVERY OTHER THING WILL BE ADDED ONTO YOU.So they subordinate any other consideration to the pursuit of their parochial interest.Viz:their personal political survival.
In other to effectively do this,they personalize the state.The state now become their personal estate.Thus,Ur second point"One thing that people fail to understand is that Zimbabwe is the ONLY African country that is self sustained at this moment in time. They are not getting any financial help from the world bank due to the sanctions that were imposed on them thus,their economy collapsed dismally." does not hold water.

Although,I've always being against Economic Sanctions(knowing that it is the ordinary people that suffers from them),Sanctions dont just come.They are caused by the actions of states.If Mugabe love the people of Zimbabwe,knowing the his continued stay in office is the major cause of the sanctions & by extension,the sufferings of the mass,he would ve resigned.Instead,in his old age,he still rigged an election that he clearly lost.

Who told Mugabe that he is the Messiah of Zimbabwe?He has been ruling that country since 1980.Why not allow others to serve their father's land?

The problem of Zimbabwe is squarely on Mugabe.He is the albatross.

You said SA is helping?They only help they can give is to either persuade Mugabe to step down or force him out.Until they do that,they are the sponsors of a rouge regime.They are like the governments that supported apartheid.

Whether Tshangarai & the MDC   are puppets or not,Zimbabwe need CHANGE. 
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- Godsson at 30-09-2008 06:45 PM (15 years ago)
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I still dont trust Mugabe to keep to the terms of agreements.He's broken many in the past.Let's hope,African rulers will learn to look beyond power.
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- TheTruth at 8-10-2008 12:53 AM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: Godsson on 30-09-2008 06:45 PM
I still dont trust Mugabe to keep to the terms of agreements.He's broken many in the past.Let's hope,African rulers will learn to look beyond power.

Big bros!You have a point.However,we will achieve nothing by being skeptical about everything.Let's give the pact a chance.Mugabe must have learnt some lession from the economic quagmire he put his country.Let's hope & expect the best.
Take care my brother.
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- Godsson at 11-10-2008 01:54 PM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: TheTruth on  8-10-2008 12:53 AM
Quote from: Godsson on 30-09-2008 06:45 PM
I still dont trust Mugabe to keep to the terms of agreements.He's broken many in the past.Let's hope,African rulers will learn to look beyond power.

Big bros!You have a point.However,we will achieve nothing by being skeptical about everything.Let's give the pact a chance.Mugabe must have learnt some lession from the economic quagmire he put his country.Let's hope & expect the best.
Take care my brother.

My Lil Bro!U ve a point.We should give them a chance.
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- Helga at 11-10-2008 02:23 PM (15 years ago)
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Godsson
Dont think they will look beyond power for a while to come.
Mugabe is a sly fox and only lives for power.
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- blackberryPearl at 11-10-2008 05:59 PM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: Godsson on  2-07-2008 02:15 AM
Is the attitude of African rulers(especially Mbeki) towards the political crisis in Zimbabwe fair to the ordinary Zimbabwean?I think & know that the answer is an emphatic NO!!!!!!!!!
can u please tell me what is going on with this?
Posted: at 11-10-2008 05:59 PM (15 years ago) | Hero
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- Godsson at 11-10-2008 09:17 PM (15 years ago)
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Helga
You are right.In fact as I am writing this,the power sharing deal is about to crumble due to mugabe's actions.It was agreed that the ZANU-PF would be in charge of the Army while the MDC would have the police.However,Mogabe has renege on that agreement today.The list of Ministers that is out now put the ZANU-PF in charge of all strategic ministries,including the Military & Police.

When I said Mugabe cannot be trusted to keep his words,Some,including my lil brother,TheTruth,called me a pessimist.Now my predictions are sadly coming to pass.
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- blackberryPearl at 12-10-2008 12:44 AM (15 years ago)
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brb to read more
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- Helga at 12-10-2008 12:45 AM (15 years ago)
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No he cant.
Some one who is this long in power doesnt have to do it for the money as he would have enough already. He just keeps living because he needs this power to survive. He will keep going as he will not let go.

Every one knows this already but they just close there eyes to the problem.
They play the waiting game while millions of people starve and get killed.

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- Helga at 12-10-2008 12:48 AM (15 years ago)
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Godsson on a lighter note i was wondering why you and the truth were calling each other brothers as i thought he was a she.
MMMM but know i see she is actually a he.   Grin
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- Godsson at 12-10-2008 12:52 AM (15 years ago)
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Helga
TheTruth is a he.A very nice young man.

As for Mugabe,I may die in power.
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- blackberryPearl at 12-10-2008 01:01 AM (15 years ago)
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who r u guys talking about?
Posted: at 12-10-2008 01:01 AM (15 years ago) | Hero
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