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Quote from: Omapri on 7-01-2011 08:46 AM
at poster u dnt make sense
Am sure you cant see the sense in it. too bad!!!
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Quote from: Omapri on 7-01-2011 08:46 AM at poster u dnt make sense Am sure you cant see the sense in it. too bad!!!
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Quote from: fafemiak on 6-01-2011 11:17 PM Guy, it not good to talk as a fool. pls! pls! think deeply before u do anything, so dat u will not end up ur life in distruction. May GOD have mercy on u. (amen) Great advise. Hope you follow it too and remember it is not good to behave as a blind sheeple.
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Quote from: trolling on 5-01-2011 06:02 AM it is fake it was started by Pope Leo in 321 BC,he made it an official religion after they killed Peter,Paul,James,do your research as He answered and said unto them,Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye Mk 7:6-13. Some questions for my jesus freaks, Can you proove to me where the bible told you to go to church on Sunday,where did the bible told you to celebrate Xmas on 25th, where it told you to Celebrate Easter,if you can answer these questions then you win. And Islam is fake too,you people worship the crescent moon,black stone which you call kabala,mind you I dont battle behind computers,so you can rant all you want. Thank you my bro. The world is waking up, and some sheeples still call it the end of the world. Its such a shame.
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Quote from: giftmurphy on 22-12-2010 09:06 PM christianity is fake or people practise fake christianity? Christianity does not exist without christ. Nor do christians exist without the chritianity religion. BOTH are FAKE but convinient for people who do not want to be responsible for their actions and those who want to get away with their evil ways.
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Quote from: democrazy on 12-01-2011 03:35 AM Quote from: giftmurphy on 22-12-2010 09:06 PM christianity is fake or people practise fake christianity? Christianity does not exist without christ. Nor do christians exist without the chritianity religion. BOTH are FAKE but convinient for people who do not want to be responsible for their actions and those who want to get away with their evil ways.
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Quote from: democrazy on 12-01-2011 03:28 AM @joyjumper you are zombie, dead man walking and why will your stupid arse say such a thing? 
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Quote from: democrazy on 11-01-2011 06:17 AM You guys just say a lot of shit. Those of you that comment without reading what I've written. @talkandsave..I like ur pic..are you the one in front? Why dont you check your answers out again i.e Leviticus 23:36 tells you there are 8 days in a week. Numbers 29:35 tells you the same thing. Nehemiah 8:18 also supports this motion........... Now tell me what is the eight day of the week? Like you care! Also You know a sunday is a special day named after the SUN for a devotion to worship it. This was setup by what we call present day Pagans. Why do christians worship as Pagans? Like you care! The book of genesis chapter 1 in the bible says GOD created the earth and vegetation, then created man on the fifth day. Genesis 2 says God needed to create man 1st so he can plant the vegetation on earth as there was none due to the fact no one to plant them. Do you see this as great contradiction from a book by the creator? Like you care! When you trully care.......come ask me a question directly. I cant argue blindly with people that have been going to church since they where 3 months old. What else do they know? Do you care? DEMO....firstly, All the verses you mentioned saying something about the eight day of the week are either falsified or misquoted... The verses never mentioned eighth days in a week...What translation did you find those verses...? Tell me and I will give you the full verse...meanwhile...This are the verses according to The King James Bible… Leviticus 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it [is] a solemn assembly; [and] ye shall do no servile work [therein]. Numbers 29:35 On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work [therein]: Nehemiah 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day [was] a solemn assembly, according unto the manner. Before the coming of Christianity people worship God. They referred to him with different names due to their revelation, culture and languages. Our ancestors knew of and had perceived that there was an intelligent, and a powerful cause of all things…They called God whatever and worshiped however they knew best... The term pagan is from the Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." ." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager." Because they are country dewellers, or villagers…does not make them devilish (although some became like so)…They must have been looking for something to call God or relate to him…something too powerful and that cannot be conquered… After the advent of Christianity…those that don’t believe in the new faith are either called (in negative) pagans or idol worshippers…Which, YOU DEMO can also be referred to… Whether you like it or not…God deals with different generation according to the dispensation of the age…the way God deals with men today is different from those in back in the day…Because the word pagan historically, has been used in a negative way by believers of monotheistic religions (such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam… to indicate a disbeliever in their religion… There is no different between the world pagan from the word infidel which the Muslims use for anyone who do not believe in Islam…but the fact is …THEY BELIEVE IN SOMETHING. Genesis v 1 & 2 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Please show me what you are complaining about... I hope you are not becoming sloppy…
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@ Chik001, Reply sloppy? moi?...joking.................I'll say, lets leave that issue aside as it was from one of the defenders of the faith. He was trying to use the verses to define that the 1st day means Sunday............So I was asking what about the 8th day. If am wrong, after you read his quotes, then ask me again........I will answer the rest of your questions after posting his quoteQuote from: talkandsave on 6-01-2011 03:48 PM Quote from: ganster-kid on 6-01-2011 12:55 PM Quote from: trolling on 5-01-2011 06:02 AM it is fake it was started by Pope Leo in 321 BC,he made it an official religion after they killed Peter,Paul,James,do your research as He answered and said unto them,Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye Mk 7:6-13. Some questions for my jesus freaks, Can you proove to me where the bible told you to go to church on Sunday,where did the bible told you to celebrate Xmas on 25th, where it told you to Celebrate Easter,if you can answer these questions then you win. And Islam is fake too,you people worship the crescent moon,black stone which you call kabala,mind you I dont battle behind computers,so you can rant all you want. you punk, where was your direct proof after all I will deal with one of your raised question which is worshiping on Sunday. The Bible does not condemn anybody for worshiping on Sunday and below are examples. The first day of the week is considered Sunday according to the Jewish calendar? Take a look at how God feels about people worshiping Him on that first day. He considers that Day as Holy as well. The Bible also does not want us to judge people based on their holy days, moons, sabbath days. Below are the biblical quotations that you may want to look into to help you in understanding that judgments on the day of worship is not necessary because the old testament confirms it, the new testament confirms it as well. Leviticus 23:7 (Whole Chapter) In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Leviticus 23:35 (Whole Chapter) On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Leviticus 23:36 (Whole Chapter) Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. Numbers 28:18 (Whole Chapter) In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: Colossians 2:16 (Whole Chapter) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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Before the coming of Christianity people worship God. They referred to him with different names due to their revelation, culture and languages. Our ancestors knew of and had perceived that there was an intelligent, and a powerful cause of all things…They called God whatever and worshiped however they knew best... ReplyThe term pagan is from the Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." ." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager." Because they are country dewellers, or villagers…does not make them devilish (although some became like so)…They must have been looking for something to call God or relate to him…something too powerful and that cannot be conquered… After the advent of Christianity…those that don’t believe in the new faith are either called (in negative) pagans or idol worshippers…Which, YOU DEMO can also be referred to… Whether you like it or not…God deals with different generation according to the dispensation of the age…the way God deals with men today is different from those in back in the day…Because the word pagan historically, has been used in a negative way by believers of monotheistic religions (such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam… to indicate a disbeliever in their religion… There is no different between the world pagan from the word infidel which the Muslims use for anyone who do not believe in Islam…but the fact is …THEY BELIEVE IN SOMETHING. Genesis v 1 & 2 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Please show me what you are complaining about... I hope you are not becoming sloppy… @Chik001 You said "Before the coming of Christianity people worship God. They referred to him with different names due to their revelation, culture and languages. Our ancestors knew of and had perceived that there was an intelligent, and a powerful cause of all things…They called God whatever and worshiped however they knew best..." You statement shows that you think very inferior of the ancestors you are talking about. It also implies that GOD never at any time revealed himself to these ancestors else they would have got his name right or how to worship him, through his guidance. This is the mentality I fight a lot, and in the BIG picture it reflects that a lot of Black people thought their ancestors lived in caves as savages until being rescued by the white race. This is our inductrination. You said "After the advent of Christianity…those that don’t believe in the new faith are either called (in negative) pagans or idol worshippers…Which, YOU DEMO can also be referred to…" No!! not true...............Those that did not believe where killed and prosecuted. It was because the Romans feared for their soverignty that they also incorporated christianity into their doctrine as done by the first so called Christian Roman Chanpion , Emperor Constantine in 325AD. Note also that christianity only exist because of the followers of a person called Jesus christs. This religion will never exist before the creation or existence of Jesus christ. To show you how confused the writer of the bible was, I'll will re explain genesis to you. I will be happy if you could initially agree with me that If you create a plant and then create the sheep that will eat it, your statement of which was created 1st will be right, correct, and true.
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Genesis 1 Replythe First Day (verse 3-5.) :- God made light, darkness, day, night. The Second Day (verse 6-8) :- God separated the waters and created the sky. The Third Day (verse 9-13) :- God created sea and land, and most importantly I will quote " 11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so." The Fourth Day (verse 14-19) :- God created the SUN, Moon, and Stars The Fifth Day (verse 20-23) :- God created animals. same way he created the plants, so I will quote again "24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so" The Sixth Day (verse 26-31) :- God made man. Now lets have a look at Genesis 2 and so as not to waste your precious time, I will take you straight to the point. 4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 1 Cor. 15.45 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. So maybe you can explain verse 5 to me. Please note that I will have to check later on the vegetation of the wilderness where CAIN found the land of NOD where he married, as these NOD sounds like my ancestors kinda english name as in the ancient NOK people of Nigeria.
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@DEMO ReplyBefore you criticize the Bible...make sure you read the preceding verses and ones after...so as to get the full story. The problem with critics is that the take a verse and criticize...This is not a court case. Now lets read from King James Bible Genesis 2:1-8 just to clarify your confusion or rather criticism: 1. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4.These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5. And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Now ask your question...
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Aight I got something for you to think on. You are using logic, reason, and science to disprove Christianity correct? I think we can both agree on that. I think we can also agree that logic and science come from reason, so the way people disprove Christianity is ultimately through reason. ReplySo, what exactly is reason? Webster says reason is "the power of comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways." So reason is being able to think well and figure things out. So for reason to be able to make one thing false, and another true, it must be ALWAYS correct. In other words you cannot question reason, because reason is how we question other things. Reason is transcendent, or it governs all other things. I think we can also both agree on that. So, where does reason come from? Well according to those who don't believe in a God, it comes from ourselves, it comes from man. Therefore, if we were to create a new way to reason tomorrow, it would have just as much authority as the reason we are using today. But wait a second, we just said that reason, in order to use it, must be transcendent, it must ALWAYS be correct, which means only one type of reason can truly be right if we are going to use it to question all other things. So if we WERE to create a new reason tomorrow, it would HAVE to be wrong, if today's reason is right. But that can't be either, because both come from man, therefore they both are equally legitimate. In other words, if reason truly was created by man, then it has NO authority to critique other things. To do so it must be transcendent, and to be transcendent it must have not been created by man. Cause if it was created by man, we could change it tomorrow and have no way of saying that today's reason is better or more legitimate than the one we create tomorrow. Therefore, in order you use reason, a transcendental principle, which we agreed on, you HAVE to believe in some god. Because humans cannot have created reason if it is able to govern all other things. So a transcendental being must have created it in order for it to be a transcendental principle. I'll admit that most Christians are horrible at defending God, but there are some of us who can. Just some food for thought, tell me what you think.
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Quote from: democrazy on 14-01-2011 01:46 AM @ Chik001, @DEMONCRAZY - it is obvious that you do not understand what is meant by the eight day. It is specific to a certain month that a certain ceremony is to be carried out. sloppy? moi?...joking.................I'll say, lets leave that issue aside as it was from one of the defenders of the faith. He was trying to use the verses to define that the 1st day means Sunday............So I was asking what about the 8th day. If am wrong, after you read his quotes, then ask me again........I will answer the rest of your questions after posting his quoteQuote from: talkandsave on 6-01-2011 03:48 PM Quote from: ganster-kid on 6-01-2011 12:55 PM Quote from: trolling on 5-01-2011 06:02 AM it is fake it was started by Pope Leo in 321 BC,he made it an official religion after they killed Peter,Paul,James,do your research as He answered and said unto them,Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye Mk 7:6-13. Some questions for my jesus freaks, Can you proove to me where the bible told you to go to church on Sunday,where did the bible told you to celebrate Xmas on 25th, where it told you to Celebrate Easter,if you can answer these questions then you win. And Islam is fake too,you people worship the crescent moon,black stone which you call kabala,mind you I dont battle behind computers,so you can rant all you want. you punk, where was your direct proof after all I will deal with one of your raised question which is worshiping on Sunday. The Bible does not condemn anybody for worshiping on Sunday and below are examples. The first day of the week is considered Sunday according to the Jewish calendar? Take a look at how God feels about people worshiping Him on that first day. He considers that Day as Holy as well. The Bible also does not want us to judge people based on their holy days, moons, sabbath days. Below are the biblical quotations that you may want to look into to help you in understanding that judgments on the day of worship is not necessary because the old testament confirms it, the new testament confirms it as well. Leviticus 23:7 (Whole Chapter) In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Leviticus 23:35 (Whole Chapter) On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Leviticus 23:36 (Whole Chapter) Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. Numbers 28:18 (Whole Chapter) In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: Colossians 2:16 (Whole Chapter) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: e.g. A boy is to circumcized on the 8th day.
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@PhillipChaffee ReplyI could not defend God if my life depended on it. My favorite position is sitting down while He defends me. After the victory, I like dancing with Him. 
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Quote from: joyjumper on 15-01-2011 07:30 PM @PhillipChaffee I could not defend God if my life depended on it. My favorite position is sitting down while He defends me. After the victory, I like dancing with Him. Hahahaha point taken, but the Bible does say that we should be able to give a good defense of our faith. 1 Peter 3:15 says, 'But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" In other versions it says always be ready to give an apologia of your faith, but both mean the same thing. Jesus tells us that we should ALWAYS be ready to give a well reasoned defense of our faith, that's what an apologia is. This is where Christian apologetics comes from.
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Quote from: PhillipChaffee on 15-01-2011 07:35 PM Quote from: joyjumper on 15-01-2011 07:30 PM @PhillipChaffee I could not defend God if my life depended on it. My favorite position is sitting down while He defends me. After the victory, I like dancing with Him. Hahahaha point taken, but the Bible does say that we should be able to give a good defense of our faith. 1 Peter 3:15 says, 'But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" In other versions it says always be ready to give an apologia of your faith, but both mean the same thing. Jesus tells us that we should ALWAYS be ready to give a well reasoned defense of our faith, that's what an apologia is. This is where Christian apologetics comes from. I can give good reasons for my faith, but I am not going to defend God because God can defend Himself. I like when God fights for me while I sit on his right hand and cheer Him on. I like blessing Him while He defends me. I like Praising Him while He defends Me. I like Him showing me things that are bigger than me that He is working out for me.
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Quote from: joyjumper on 15-01-2011 07:38 PM Quote from: PhillipChaffee on 15-01-2011 07:35 PM Quote from: joyjumper on 15-01-2011 07:30 PM @PhillipChaffee I could not defend God if my life depended on it. My favorite position is sitting down while He defends me. After the victory, I like dancing with Him. Hahahaha point taken, but the Bible does say that we should be able to give a good defense of our faith. 1 Peter 3:15 says, 'But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" In other versions it says always be ready to give an apologia of your faith, but both mean the same thing. Jesus tells us that we should ALWAYS be ready to give a well reasoned defense of our faith, that's what an apologia is. This is where Christian apologetics comes from. I can give good reasons for my faith, but I am not going to defend God because God can defend Himself. I like when God fights for me while I sit on his right hand and cheer Him on. I like blessing Him while He defends me. I like Praising Him while He defends Me. I like Him showing me things that are bigger than me that He is working out for me. Well personally I don't believe that is what Peter is saying, but hey, let's just agree to disagree. You can't agree on everything (: Also notice that the man who started this topic hasn't responded to either of us 
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The metaphor means this: if a person spends all of his/her time in darkness that person's eyes adjust to the absence of light. If he/she is suddenly illuminated by bright light that person is blinded and he/she wants to retreat back into the darkness that the person was accustomed too. It's the same with knowledge, we have been conditioned in our society to accept lies as truth, and we most people finally hear truth he or she usually dismisses it and the person speaking that truth. ReplyMy question is, What is the differences between reality and truth?, Is history an account of human experiences via An eye witness or An account of some supernatural divine intervention stories made to be believed by recitation,memorization and repetition?..
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The bible even recorded the devil himself quoting the word of God in an attempt to achieve his goals while tempting Jesus. what is the difference here? I wonder why believer will no allow this and pray for God to rescue their soul if possible. i just pity heir soul Reply
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Quote from: harakiri on 17-01-2011 08:02 PM Quote from: ganster-kid on 17-01-2011 03:51 PM The bible even recorded the devil himself quoting the word of God in an attempt to achieve his goals while tempting Jesus. what is the difference here? I wonder why believer will no allow this and pray for God to rescue their soul if possible. i just pity heir soul The bible "recorded" the devil abi? So who recorded the bible? All these naive/myopic people who can't see beyond their nostrils sef! I'd like to know what you think about what I wrote. Scroll up and read it then I'd love to hear your response. You are just saying things with nothing to back it up. Thanks
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