Was Jesus the Actual Son of God? Did He Dies on The Cross ? (Page 5)

Date: 17-01-2011 2:45 pm (13 years ago) | Author: abdul mumin said adana
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Future Prophecies Concerning Jesus the Messiah


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The Second Coming of Christ is mentioned some 318 times in the New Testament--more than any other fundamental doctrine! Surely after seeing the deliberate way in which Christ fulfilled every other prophecy concerning Himself, we would be foolish to not believe the prophecies mentioned most about Him--His return to earth! Here are a few of the more prominent ones:

1. Christ will return a second time.

Prophecies: "And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with great (transcendent and overwhelming) power and (all His kingly) glory (majesty and splendor)" (Luke 21:27).

"...Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, Who was caught away and lifted up from among you into heaven will return in (just) the same way in which you saw Him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11).

"Lo, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth shall gaze upon Him and beat their Bosom s and mourn and lament over Him. Even so (must it be). Amen--so be it" (Revelation 1:7).

"For just as the lightening flashes from the east and shines and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of man be...Then they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory--in brilliancy and splendor" (Matthew 24:27,30b).

"I saw in the night visions, and behold, on the clouds of the heavens came one like a Son of man, and He came to the Ancient of days and was presented before Him. And there was given Him (the Messiah,) dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away and His kingdom one which shall not be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13-14).

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an archangel, and with the blast of the trumpet of God" (1 Thessalonians 4:16a).

2. Christ will return to judge the nations.

Prophecies: "When the Son of man comes in His glory (His majesty and splendor) and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All nations shall be gathered before Him and He will separate them (the people) from one another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats" (Matthew 25:31-32).

"So do not make any hasty or premature judgments before the time in which the Lord comes (again), for He will both bring to light the secret things that are (now hidden) in darkness, and disclose and expose the (secret) aims (motives and purposes) of hearts. Then every man will receive his (due) commendation from God" (1 Corinthians 4:5).

"Jesus Christ Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom" (2 Timothy 4:1).

"For we must all appear and be revealed as we are before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive (his pay) according to what he has done in the body, whether good or evil (considering what his purpose and motive have been, and what he has achieved, been busy with and given himself and his attention to accomplishing)" (2 Corinthians 5:10).

"Even the Father judges no one; for He has given all judgment--the last judgment and the whole business of judging--entirely in the hands of the Son" (John 5:22).

3. The exact time of His return is unknown.

Prophecies: "But of that (exact) day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, not the Son, but only the Father...You must be ready therefore; for the Son of man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him" (Matthew 24:36,44).

"For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the Lord('s return) will come (as unexpectedly and suddenly) as a thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5:2).

"Lo, I am going to come like a thief! Blessed--happy, to be envied--is he who stays awake (alert) and who guards his clothes so that he may not be naked and (have the shame of being) seen exposed!" (Revelation 16:15).

"Watch therefore--give strict attention and be cautious and active--for you know neither the day nor the hour when the Son of man will come" (Matthew 25:13).

4. There will be signs marking the season of His return.

For the sake of brevity, we cannot copy entire chapters of the Bible, but have picked out some of the most pointed references to what must happen before the return of the Lord. There are many others. We encourage you to read the entire chapters of Matthew 24 and 25, as well as the rest of the Bible for a fuller view of the last days.

Prophecies: "Be careful that no one misleads you--deceiving you and leading you into error. For many will come in (on the strength of) My name--appropriating the name which belongs to Me-- saying, I am the Messiah, the Christ; and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place; All this is but the beginning--the early pains of birth pangs--of the intolerable anguish. Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be offended and repelled and begin to distrust and desert (Him Whom they ought to trust and obey) and will stumble and fall away, and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred. And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error. And the love of the great body of people will grow cold, because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end" (Matthew 24:14, emphasis ours).

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones)" (Matthew 24:24).

"As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man" (Matthew 24:37).

"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first--that is, unless the (predicted) great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come--and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition), who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshipped , (even to his actually) taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God" (2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4, emphasis ours).

"But the (Holy) Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach" (1 Timothy 4:1 emphasis ours).

"But understand this, that in the last days there will set in perilous times of great stress and trouble--hard to deal with and hard to bear. For people will be lovers of self and (utterly) self- centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate (greedy) desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemeous, scoffers), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane...They will be lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God. For (although) they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it--their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession" (2 Timothy 3:1, 4-5 emphasis ours)

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy--telling forth the divine counsels-- and your young men shall see visions (that is, divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream (divinely suggested) dreams. Yes, and on My menservents and also My maidservents in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy--telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God's kingdom. And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor; the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the obvious day of the Lord comes, that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned (day)" (Acts 2:17-18 emphasis ours).
 

"But you are not (given up to the power of) darkness, brethren, for that day to overtake you by surprise like a thief" (1 Thessalonians 5: 4).

"From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near. So also when you see these signs all taken together coming to pass, you may know of a surety that he is near, at the very doors" (Matthew 24: 32-33 emphasis ours).



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- abduuul at 28-01-2011 09:45 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 27-01-2011 01:35 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 27-01-2011 12:30 PM
@chik001: Firstly, You did not answer the first question that I have ask which says"OK are you telling me that the old testament is not the word of god?  if it is really the word of god how manage it includes the above quotations?
Why is it that they are still producing the old testament if you are living in the new testament covenant?."
 Answer this first.
The Old Testament is the word of God...The old testament is/was included as examples and emphasis on how God dealt with people in that age...
We are called Christians (little Christs) because we live the New Testament usher in by the teachings of Christ...which is a fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Christ words:
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them...Mathew 5:17
@chik001: Since you agreed that the old testament is the word of God then answer the next question that says"how manage it includes the above quotations".   
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- abduuul at 28-01-2011 10:30 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 27-01-2011 01:44 PM
I quote you...
"that word Periqlytos mention in the bible means Ahmad in Arabic. And that is What exactly Muhammad is.
 So telling me that so many people claims the prophesy is not also a reason for you to not believe with that.
  Look, this is a clear Explanation for everybody to see and judge. Do not try at all cost to depend what is already known to be false.

@Abduul
Thats where yous contradict yourselves...You say the Bible is false...but you guys use it to prove the prophethood of Mohammed...
As far as we are concerned...Mohammed is NOT mentioned in The Holy Bible...especially The New Testament...
Thousands of prophets came after Jesus The Christ...and they all claim the same thing (being mentioned in the Bible)...that shows the value of The Christian Bible...


I did not contradict my self as you insist above. All Muslims in the world Believe in Four books Namely, (1) The Holy Qur'an              (2) INJIL (3) ATTORAH (4) ZABUR.
INJIL is the Book Given to Jesus the son of Mary , ATTORAH is book given to Moses , ZABUR the book given to DAWUD and QUR'an  was given to Muhammad(S.A.W). In the case of the one given to Jesus, you have distorted the truth, that is why you are having contradiction with it.  As of the Distorted one, All Muslim did not believe in it for a simple reason that it was distorted by christian scholars. I mean Christians scholars distorted and interpreted the Gospels as they wished. That is why there are four gospels, and each differs from the other! The Christians admits that the gospels were authored by four known men during their times. It is said that the gospel of Matthew was written by the disciples of Jesus, Matthew,nine years after Jesus was raised to the Heavens, in Hebrew. It is further said that the gospel of Mark was written by one Mark of Aaron twenty three years after Jesus was raised to the Heavens, and in Greek. John is thought to have written his Gospel  sixty three years after Jesus was raised to the Heavens, also in Greek. Luke was a doctor in Anatolia, a disciples of Simon, and is  said to have written his Gospel after Mark wrote his.
 So clearly, the book you claim you are using is not the Original book given to Jesus(A.S). No way for me to believe in it.
 Am quoting it not because I believe in it' but because is what you people believe in. Since you are not Muslim, i cannot just quote Qur'an  to you simply because you are not a Muslim.
 
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- abduuul at 28-01-2011 11:48 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: enoeno on 27-01-2011 02:23 PM
As for what is said about Muhammad(PBUH) not being mention in the Torah and Gospel is a blatant lie. Christians and jews have hidden the facts regarding Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in there respective Scriptures. ALLAH says:

O People of the scripture: Why do you mix truth with the falsehood and conceal the truth while you know? Qur'an [3:71]
 He also says:
O People of the scripture! Now has come to you Our Messenger explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and pass over much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light and a plain Book. Wherewith Allah guides all those who seek His Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides to the Straight Way. Qur'an [5:15-16]

who is mohammed? where was he born and who gave birth to him? besides, what is the meaning of mohammed u all claim to be ....
you all have to amend your ways and stop saying useless words that doesn't make sense here.


Jesus, The Mercy of God : The Qu'ran speaks of Jesus. This message is especially for Muslims who desire to know the truth.


Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was talking to Israelites in the context of Surah 61:6 of the coming Rasul named Ahmad who will also be sent to the Israelites. There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6….AN ISRAELITE RASUL IS ANTICIPATED! The name Ahmad and not Muhammad was given. The meaning of both names are different and also antithetical-Ahmad means "one who gives praise" and Muhammad means "one who receives praise or praiseworthy"! According to Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Taqi ud Din Al-Hilali, The Noble Quran, pg. 790, "the second name of Muhammad and it (Ahmad) literally meaning "One who praises Allah more than others."


I am very happy to have you in this critical knowledge shearing forum. Once again you are welcome.
 You ask me of who is mohammed? where was he born and who gave birth to him?
 I will give you the answer according to how you ask me the question.
 who is Mohammad?
Early Life of the Prophet

Muhammad (whose name means "highly praised") was born in Mecca in 570 AD. His father died shortly before his birth, and he lost his mother at the age of six. The young orphan was then raised primarily by his uncle, for whom he worked as a shepherd. At age 9 (some sources say 12), he joined his uncle on a caravan to Syria. 

As a young man, Muhammad worked as a camel driver between Syria and Arabia. Soon he established a career managing caravans on behalf of merchants. Through his travel first with his uncle and later in his career, Muhammad came into contact with people of many nationalities and faiths, including Jews, Christians and pagans.At the time of the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), two great prophetic religions were practiced in the environs of Arabia - namely Judaism and Christianity. Both of these religions were born from the basic teachings of Islam as taught by Musa (AS) and Isa (AS). However, the original teachings were lost, and these religions were born.

At age 25, Muhammad was employed by Khadija, a wealthy Meccan widow 15 years his senior. The two were married, and by all accounts enjoyed a loving and happy marriage. Early records report that "God comforted him through her, for she made his burden light." Although polygamy was common practice at the time, Muhammad took no other wife than Khadija until her death 24 years later.
Divine Revelation

In his late 30s Muhammad took to regularly visiting a cave in Mount Hira, on the outskirts of Mecca, to seek solitude and contemplation. In 610, at the age of 40, Muhammad returned from one such visit telling his wife he had either gone mad or become a prophet, for he had been visited by an angel. The initially startled Khadija became his first convert.

Muhammad reported that while in a trance-like state, the Angel Gabriel appeared to him and said "Proclaim!" But like Moses, Muhammed was a reluctant prophet. He replied, "I am not a proclaimer." The angel persisted, and the Prophet repeatedly resisted, until the angel finally overwhelmed Muhammad and commanded him:

    Proclaim in the name of your Lord who created!
    Created man from a clot of blood.
    Proclaim: Your Lord is the Most Generous,
    Who teaches by the pen;
    Teaches man what he knew not. (Qur'an 96:1-3)

After receiving Khadija's support, and additional angelic visits, Muhammad became confident he had indeed been chosen as the messenger of God and began to proclaim as he had been commanded.

Muhammad's message to his countrymen was to convert from pagan polytheism, immorality and materialism, repent from evil and worship Allah, the only true God. He was always careful to clarify his role in God's work - he was only a prophet. He was not an angel, he did not know the mind of God, he did not work miracles. He simply preached what he had received.

 
Hijira

in Mecca in 570 AD
Persecution continued to increase until Muhammad received some welcome news: he had gained followers in the city of Yathrib, 280 miles north of Mecca. The city was in need of a strong leader, and a delegation from Yathrib proposed that Muhammad take the job. In return, they pledged to worship Allah only, obey Muhammad and defend him and his followers to the death. Allah revealed to Muhammed his approval of this arrangement, and Muhammad made plans to escape to Yathrib.

The leaders in Mecca heard of the planned escape, and attempted to prevent it. But Muhammad and his close friend Abu Bakr managed to make a narrow escape north out of the city, evading a Meccan search party and arriving safely in Yathrib. This event is celebrated by Muslims as the Hijira. The year in which it occurred, 622, is the date at which the Muslim calendar begins. Yathrib was renamed Medinat al-Nabi, "the City of the Prophet," and is now known simply as Medina, "the City."

In Medina, Muhammad proved himself an able politician and statesman as well as a prophet.
 Exercising superb statecraft, he welded the five heterogeneous and conflicting tribes of the city, three of which were Jewish, into an orderly confederation.... His reputation spread and people began to flock from every part of Arabia to see the man who had wrought this 'miracle.' .
Spread of Islam
By 634, Islam had taken over the entire Arabian peninsula. Within 100 years of Muhammad's death, it had reached the Atlantic in one direction and borders of China in the other. This success was due in large part to the military and political abilities of Muhammad's successors, the caliphs.
In the first three years of his ministry, Muhammad gained only 40 followers. And as his teachings threatened the Meccan way of life, both moral and economic, he and his followers experienced heavy persecution. It first took the form of mockery, but soon turned into open violence. Members of the small movement were stoned, covered in dirt as they prayed, beat with sticks, thrown into prison and refused service by merchants.
where was he born
Aminah bint Wahb
Secondly consider your writings above( text in green color).The verse  From the Holy Qur'an is  061.006 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
From your statement you quote the verse wrongly, the verse the not indicate in any way that the next apostle will be sent to Israelite as you said. What the verse mean here is that, the Jesus is given a glad tiding of the coming of the next messenger of ALLAH whose name is Ahmad, and is not only for Israelite but for the Alamin(the whole world).
 You also said "There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6"
  Do you want to know why? this is because Allah Send Jesus to Israelite of that time only not the whole world as you miss understand. And this shows that you are not part of the Jesus message(Remember only Israelite).
 So please the next time you quote Qur'an, Quote the whole verse not just some portion. be fair as we do in quoting bible.
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- abduuul at 28-01-2011 11:51 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 28-01-2011 11:48 AM
Quote from: enoeno on 27-01-2011 02:23 PM
As for what is said about Muhammad(PBUH) not being mention in the Torah and Gospel is a blatant lie. Christians and jews have hidden the facts regarding Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in there respective Scriptures. ALLAH says:

O People of the scripture: Why do you mix truth with the falsehood and conceal the truth while you know? Qur'an [3:71]
 He also says:
O People of the scripture! Now has come to you Our Messenger explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and pass over much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light and a plain Book. Wherewith Allah guides all those who seek His Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides to the Straight Way. Qur'an [5:15-16]

who is mohammed? where was he born and who gave birth to him? besides, what is the meaning of mohammed u all claim to be ....
you all have to amend your ways and stop saying useless words that doesn't make sense here.


Jesus, The Mercy of God : The Qu'ran speaks of Jesus. This message is especially for Muslims who desire to know the truth.


Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was talking to Israelites in the context of Surah 61:6 of the coming Rasul named Ahmad who will also be sent to the Israelites. There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6….AN ISRAELITE RASUL IS ANTICIPATED! The name Ahmad and not Muhammad was given. The meaning of both names are different and also antithetical-Ahmad means "one who gives praise" and Muhammad means "one who receives praise or praiseworthy"! According to Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Taqi ud Din Al-Hilali, The Noble Quran, pg. 790, "the second name of Muhammad and it (Ahmad) literally meaning "One who praises Allah more than others."


I am very happy to have you in this critical knowledge shearing forum. Once again you are welcome.
 You ask me of who is mohammed? where was he born and who gave birth to him?
 I will give you the answer according to how you ask me the question.
 who is Mohammad?
Early Life of the Prophet

Muhammad (whose name means "highly praised") was born in Mecca in 570 AD. His father died shortly before his birth, and he lost his mother at the age of six. The young orphan was then raised primarily by his uncle, for whom he worked as a shepherd. At age 9 (some sources say 12), he joined his uncle on a caravan to Syria. 

As a young man, Muhammad worked as a camel driver between Syria and Arabia. Soon he established a career managing caravans on behalf of merchants. Through his travel first with his uncle and later in his career, Muhammad came into contact with people of many nationalities and faiths, including Jews, Christians and pagans.At the time of the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), two great prophetic religions were practiced in the environs of Arabia - namely Judaism and Christianity. Both of these religions were born from the basic teachings of Islam as taught by Musa (AS) and Isa (AS). However, the original teachings were lost, and these religions were born.

At age 25, Muhammad was employed by Khadija, a wealthy Meccan widow 15 years his senior. The two were married, and by all accounts enjoyed a loving and happy marriage. Early records report that "God comforted him through her, for she made his burden light." Although polygamy was common practice at the time, Muhammad took no other wife than Khadija until her death 24 years later.
Divine Revelation

In his late 30s Muhammad took to regularly visiting a cave in Mount Hira, on the outskirts of Mecca, to seek solitude and contemplation. In 610, at the age of 40, Muhammad returned from one such visit telling his wife he had either gone mad or become a prophet, for he had been visited by an angel. The initially startled Khadija became his first convert.

Muhammad reported that while in a trance-like state, the Angel Gabriel appeared to him and said "Proclaim!" But like Moses, Muhammed was a reluctant prophet. He replied, "I am not a proclaimer." The angel persisted, and the Prophet repeatedly resisted, until the angel finally overwhelmed Muhammad and commanded him:

    Proclaim in the name of your Lord who created!
    Created man from a clot of blood.
    Proclaim: Your Lord is the Most Generous,
    Who teaches by the pen;
    Teaches man what he knew not. (Qur'an 96:1-3)

After receiving Khadija's support, and additional angelic visits, Muhammad became confident he had indeed been chosen as the messenger of God and began to proclaim as he had been commanded.

Muhammad's message to his countrymen was to convert from pagan polytheism, immorality and materialism, repent from evil and worship Allah, the only true God. He was always careful to clarify his role in God's work - he was only a prophet. He was not an angel, he did not know the mind of God, he did not work miracles. He simply preached what he had received.

 
Hijira

in Mecca in 570 AD
Persecution continued to increase until Muhammad received some welcome news: he had gained followers in the city of Yathrib, 280 miles north of Mecca. The city was in need of a strong leader, and a delegation from Yathrib proposed that Muhammad take the job. In return, they pledged to worship Allah only, obey Muhammad and defend him and his followers to the death. Allah revealed to Muhammed his approval of this arrangement, and Muhammad made plans to escape to Yathrib.

The leaders in Mecca heard of the planned escape, and attempted to prevent it. But Muhammad and his close friend Abu Bakr managed to make a narrow escape north out of the city, evading a Meccan search party and arriving safely in Yathrib. This event is celebrated by Muslims as the Hijira. The year in which it occurred, 622, is the date at which the Muslim calendar begins. Yathrib was renamed Medinat al-Nabi, "the City of the Prophet," and is now known simply as Medina, "the City."

In Medina, Muhammad proved himself an able politician and statesman as well as a prophet.
 Exercising superb statecraft, he welded the five heterogeneous and conflicting tribes of the city, three of which were Jewish, into an orderly confederation.... His reputation spread and people began to flock from every part of Arabia to see the man who had wrought this 'miracle.' .
Spread of Islam
By 634, Islam had taken over the entire Arabian peninsula. Within 100 years of Muhammad's death, it had reached the Atlantic in one direction and borders of China in the other. This success was due in large part to the military and political abilities of Muhammad's successors, the caliphs.
In the first three years of his ministry, Muhammad gained only 40 followers. And as his teachings threatened the Meccan way of life, both moral and economic, he and his followers experienced heavy persecution. It first took the form of mockery, but soon turned into open violence. Members of the small movement were stoned, covered in dirt as they prayed, beat with sticks, thrown into prison and refused service by merchants.
where was he born
  In Mecca and His Mother was Aminah bint Wahb
Secondly consider your writings above( text in green color).The verse  From the Holy Qur'an is  061.006 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
From your statement you quote the verse wrongly, the verse the not indicate in any way that the next apostle will be sent to Israelite as you said. What the verse mean here is that, the Jesus is given a glad tiding of the coming of the next messenger of ALLAH whose name is Ahmad, and is not only for Israelite but for the Alamin(the whole world).
 You also said "There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6"
  Do you want to know why? this is because Allah Send Jesus to Israelite of that time only not the whole world as you miss understand. And this shows that you are not part of the Jesus message(Remember only Israelite).
 So please the next time you quote Qur'an, Quote the whole verse not just some portion. be fair as we do in quoting bible.
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- abduuul at 28-01-2011 12:19 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: enoeno on 27-01-2011 02:27 PM
JESUS/ISA (pbuh), the Mercy of God:
A Plea for Sanity, a Plea for True Change

By Ma RG

(Assalaamu’laikum wa Rahmatulaahi wa Barakaatuh)

The tragedy of the recent week is still fresh in our minds (The Attack on the World Trade Center NY), and all throughout the world people must deal with the fear and uncertainty of the coming weeks. The stark reality is the specter of death itself, and that anyone of us could have been one of those innocent victims on an airplane, at the office, regardless of race, creed, or color, our children, even me.

My prayer as I write this article is for true reconciliation and true understanding to be established between Muslims, Jews, and Christians for the future days ahead. One can only hope that a paradigm transformation can be born out of this time which will bring forth God/Allah’s SWT mercy and loving compassion in a fresh way.

Peace be upon us as we seek sanity in the midst of insanity. Peace be upon us as we seek to know better the One true God/Allah who is closer than the vein in our neck. Peace be unto us as we seek to know the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace that passes all understanding and guards our hearts and minds.

God/Allah SWT desires that we seriously study these things, for He has the authority to put us in Heaven or sentence us to Hell, based on His justice. Though God/Allah SWT has inscribed the rule of Mercy as an attribute above all others being called Ar’ Rahmanir Rahim (the Most Merciful and Compassionate One), so He has warned us to watch and prepare at all times for the coming of death and the Kiamat (Day of Judgment). All men are appointed to die once and then face the Day in which we all must give an account to our Creator for the choices we have made or failed to make in our time on earth.

"Nay, Allah raised (rafa’a) him up (Jesus/Isa,pbuh) unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise.
"(Qu’ran (Al Nisa) 4:158).

According to both Muslims and Christians, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is His "Sign unto men and a Mercy from us" Qu’ran 19 Maryam 19:21, …"whose Name is the Messiah, illustrious in this world and in the Hereafter." (Qu’ran 3 Al Imran 45), for Jesus/Isa is the UnCreated Word of God/Allah "…an Apostle (Rasul) of Allah, and His Word (Kalimatuhu), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Ruhu minh)" (Qu’ran Al Nisa 4:171).

Why would Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone be given by God/Allah SWT the title of Messiah (al-Masih), over eleven times in the Qu’ran? Why would Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone then be given the title of His Word (Kalimatuhu)?

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is further called "…a Word from Him (Kalimatim min hus)" (Qu’ran Ali Imran 3:45), and again "…a Word from Allah (Kalimatim minallaahi)" (Qu’ran Ali Imran 3:39).

"…(Jesus)Isa is Roh-ul-Lah (The Spirit of Allah), Rasullah (The Messenger of Allah) and Kalimatullah (the Word of Allah)." (Anas bin Malik hal: 72. Qs 4 An Nisaa’ 171).


 

 

 

As the Ahl al Kitab (People of the Book), Christians take every word God says seriously, and they have no need to exaggerate the greatness of the Messiah, for God/Allah SWT Himself lifts Jesus/Isa (pbuh) high above all other names!

The divine mission of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) has never ended, for Jesus/Isa is the UnCreated Word, the everLiving Messiah and Rasul, living Today. The Day of Judgment has been given into his hands alone by God/Allah SWT for ALL MANKIND!

When we pray, we ask God/Allah SWT, to "Show us the Straight Path" (Qu’ran 1 Al-Fatihah 6. Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is that Straight Path to be followed! "And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): Therefore have NO DOUBT about the (Hour) but follow ye Me: This is the Straight Way." (Qu’ran 43 Az Zukhrut 61).

In Surah 19:19, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone is called a Sinless One in all the Qu’ran!

He is called "holy" (zakiy-pure, sinless) son (Ghulam (youth or young man). Some Muslim scholars would argue that "zakiy ghulam" means that all infants born are sinless, hence attempting to resolve the problem of a "once in all history" birth of the Sinless Jesus, but this cannot hold up to a careful look. The word used here "Ghulam" meaning youth or young man is similar to that used in Surah 18:74 (a slain youth by Al Khidr), v.80 (rebellious youth), vs.82 (two orphans youth attaining their age of full strength to claim hidden treasure under the wall). To avoid confusion, another word "Tifl" meaning "little children or infants" as in Surah 22:5, 40:67 should have been used in Surah 19:19 if only those below the age of accountability is intended!

My friend, use the mind God/Allah SWT has given you! Why was Jesus/Isa (pbuh) protected from Satan? (Surah 3:36), and "Blessed (Mubarakan) wheresoever he be." (Surah 19:31)? Only Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is able to be in the Presence of God (Surah 4:158) after his ascension without being pulverized like the mountain when God appeared to Moses (Surah 7:143).

Truly, Moses (pbuh) pointed forward to Jesus/Isa as the UnCreated Word of God, the Messiah, the Sinless One, the everLiving One Today. Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was born of a virgin, "The Word became flesh" (Gospel/Injil John 1:14), and dwelt on earth as a once in all history Miracle working Man? Why?

Just as Moses (pbuh) pointed forward to Jesus/Isa (pbuh) in History, Muhammad (pbuh) pointed back in History to the "Center of All History and Judgment on All Mankind", for Muhammad was supposed to be only a Warner (Nazir), to Seal the Truth that Jesus/Isa is the Messiah, the UnCreated Word of God!

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was sent by God/Allah SWT not just to the Jewish people, but rather to the Entire World in every Age of Mankind, for he is the Judge!

"All authority has been given to Me (Jesus/Isa) in heaven and on the earth, GO, therefore and make disciples of ALL NATIONS (ethnos/tribes and peoples including Arabs), baptizing them in the name of the Father (God/Allah SWT), the Son (the Kalimatuhu,UnCreated Word of God born Sinless of a virgin), and the Holy Spirit (Ruhuminh), teaching them to observe ALL THINGS whatever I have commanded you, and behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, even to the end of the age." (Gospel/Injil, Matthew 28: 18-20).

God/Allah’s Word is ETERNAL! He has an Eternal Plan for the Ages, "…that in the ages to come, He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness towards us through Jesus/Isa, the Messiah, …for God, who is rich in MERCY, made us alive with the Messiah, even when we were dead in sin, it is by grace you have been saved and God/Allah raised us up with the Messiah, and seated us with him in Heavenly Realms (present tense) in Jesus the Messiah." (Injil/Ephesians 2:4-7).

Therefore, since Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is more than just a Prophet, but rather the Eternal UnCreated Word of God/Allah SWT, his Position and Authority is Eternal as well! In the Taruat/Old Testament, the book of Isaiah (pbuh), we find the prophecy of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) written hundreds of years before both the Injil and the Qu’ran saying,

"Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give you a Sign, BEHOLD, A VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON, AND SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL (meaning God/Allah SWT with us). (Taruat/ Isaiah 7:14). Then in the following chapters it speaks of this son saying, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, of the increase of his government and peace there shall be NO END!" (Taruat/ Isaiah 9:6,7).


 

 

 

Think of the implications of what the Word of God/Allah says, the Government that Jesus/Isa (pbuh) MUST increase and never, never, never, never, End.

In the Qu’ran, are you asked to OBEY any other than God/Allah SWT? To the One we OBEY, then He is Lord! In the Qu’ran, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) says, "(I have come to you) To attest the Law (Taruat) which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from the Lord, SO FEAR GOD/ALLAH and OBEY ME!" (Surah 3:50).

In Truth, who is the Last Prophet? If Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the Eternal UnCreated Word of God, living Forever speaking for God/Allah, Judging in the Judgment upon ALL MANKIND, both Christian and Muslim, chronologically, who is Last?

You must have the courage to answer this between you and God/Allah SWT.

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is not the forerunner preparing the way for Islam, for he is the UnCreated Word of God, "Jesus Christ (the Messiah, Anointed One), is the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Injil/ Hebrews 13:Cool.

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel I am the Apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Law (which came/Taraut/Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad" (Qu’ran, Surah 61:6).


 

 

 

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was talking to Israelites in the context of Surah 61:6 of the coming Rasul named Ahmad who will also be sent to the Israelites. There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6….AN ISRAELITE RASUL IS ANTICIPATED! The name Ahmad and not Muhammad was given. The meaning of both names are different and also antithetical-Ahmad means "one who gives praise" and Muhammad means "one who receives praise or praiseworthy"! According to Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Taqi ud Din Al-Hilali, The Noble Quran, pg. 790, "the second name of Muhammad and it (Ahmad) literally meaning "One who praises Allah more than others."

Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 6, pg. 488 states Surah 61:6 is a variant reading and the name "Ahmad or "Muhammad" was not stipulated but ONLY AN UNNAMED PROPHET was given: "O Children of Israel, I am God’s Messenger to you and I announce to you a prophet whose community will be the last community and by which God will put the seal of the prophets and messengers".

This prophecy is apparently by the Muslim scholars own admission not a clear Sign (Ayat) of God/Allah SWT. This is not consistent with the claim in Surah 2:1, "This is the Book in its guidance, sure and without doubt, to those who fear Allah."

Therefore, who is Jesus/Isa (pbuh) speaking of in Surah 61:6? Perhaps, the Apostle Paul! This Israelite terrorist of the Christians had a personal revelation of Jesus, who commissioned him to take the everlasting Gospel to ALL NATIONS!

First, the Apostle Paul went to his fellow Jews, and then later was directed to go to the unbelievers. Paul faithfully preached to all the Greek, Roman and ARAB world! Yes, turn to the Injil, New Testament in Galatians 1: 13-17 and see!

"For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into ARABIA and later returned to Damascus."(Injil/ Galatians 1:13-17), see also Injil/Acts 9:1-31, 21:40-22:1-21.

Paul the Apostle was fluent in Aramaic and was said to spend up to 12 years in Arabia teaching about Jesus/Isa (pbuh) and warning people to turn to God from darkness, so its seems strange to see it said in the Qu’ran of Muhammad (pbuh),

"To give warning to a people to whom No Warner (Nazir) had come before thee." (Qu’ran Surah 28:46 (32:3). Is it not true that there were many Christians throughout the Middle East by the time of Muhammad (pbuh)?

Some may try to dismiss everything by saying the Injil (New Testament), Zabur, (Psalms), and Taurat (Old Testament) are all corrupted by men, yet they are truly Ignorant . The Qu’ran teaches the Bible is the Word of God/Allah SWT and can never be corrupted, changed or altered!

The Qu’ran says, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was Guidance, and Light and Confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a Guidance and an admonition to those who fear God. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein." (Surah 5:46-47).

"..No change can there be in the Words of God." (Surah 10:65).

"…there is None that can alter the Words (and decrees) of God." (Surah 6:34).


 

 

 

Baizawi says on this verse, "There is no altering His sayings, and there is no breach of His promises." Therefore, many stand quilty before God/Allah on the Day of Judgment for rejecting the truth of their own Books, and will be labeled as without religion (kafirs). Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the Eternally Living Prophet, yes, much more than a Prophet, the Eternal Word of God/Allah, therefore, his Word is UnChanging and Authoritative yesterday, today and forever speaking to every dispute God/Allah’s SWT divine answers!

"Such (was/is) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of Truth, about which they (vainly) dispute." (Qu’ran 19 Maryam 34).

"Laa mahdiyan illa Isabnu Maryam" "There is no Imam Mahdi (Fully Guided Intercessor) except Jesus the Son of Mary." (Hadiths Ibnu Majah)


 

 

 

Do you honor Jesus/Isa (pbuh) as "God/Allah’s Word" (Qu’ran 4 An Nisa 171), and "a Sign for all Peoples"? (Qu’ran 21 Al Aanbiyaa 91). Do you wish to honor this one who is "nearest to Allah" both now and in the hereafter? (Qu’ran 3 Aali Imram 45). God/Allah SWT is the Protector of His Word and He will protect you as well if you trust in Him today through the name of Jesus/Isa!

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (Injil/ Acts 4:12).

First, do you believe? "And this is his command: to believe in the name of his son, Jesus the Messiah(Christ), and to love one another as he commanded us." (Injil/ I John 3:23-24) "Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them."(vs. 24).

"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." (Injil/ Romans 10:10).


 

 

 

The prayer of Muhammad (pbuh) before his death: "Oh God, forgive me, have mercy upon me and contact me to the Most High Friend." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1573). Then he lifted up his hand saying, "The Most High Friend.", then his hand laid down and he passed away. (Bukari 1574).

Who is this Most High Friend, Muhammad (pbuh) called upon at his death? "I am closer to Jesus the son of Mary in this earth and heaven." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1501). Yes, the Most High Friend whom Muhammad called upon in his last moments was Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

I plead with you today in a world that has lost much of its sanity to consider this:

It is not an accident that your eyes have found this article, God/Allah has directed you to look at this today!

"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion." (Injil/ Hebrews 3:15).

Secondly, I plead with you by the Mercy of God, to repent and change the direction you have been going, admit the wrong thinking and doing of your life, fear God/Allah SWT, and Obey Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

"God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble, Submit yourselves then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and He will come near to you. Wash your hands you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up." (Injil/ James 4:7-10).

Real change of heart leads to clear change of actions. Our motive for doing what is right cannot be just based on good works, its deeper, our motive is gratitude. (6)

"So Peace is on me the day I (Jesus) was born, the day that I die, and the day I shall be raised up to Life (again)" (Qu’ran 19 Maryam 33).

"Behold! God said: "O Jesus! Will take thee and raise thee to myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection…" (Qu’ran 3 Aali Imraan 55).

"That they (unbelieving Jews) said (in boast) "We killed (qatal)( al Masih Isa) Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah," but they killed him not (wa maa qataluuhu), nor crucified him (wa maa salabuuhu), but so it was to appear to them (wa laakin shubbiha lahum), and those who differ therein are full of doubts (Shakk) with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety-They killed him not (wa maa qataluuhu yaqiina)." (Qu’ran Surah 4:157).


 

 

 

Thirdly, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) came to earth as a sinless child for One Divine Purpose, to fulfill prophecy and SUBMIT TO GOD willingly His life as a Sacrifice for the sin of Mankind Once and for all time, so that all Mankind can be brought into a true relationship with God/Allah SWT as a "Sign to ALL PEOPLES".

Though the Jews might have mockingly boasted that they killed Jesus/Isa (pbuh), in truth, they did not, for they only instigated the Romans to actually crucify him.  The Roman soldiers were experts at the torture of crucifying people. If they failed to execute the person, especially the right person, the penalty was that they would die for the failure! They always finished the job by thrusting a spear through the victims side to pierce their heart. Secular historians verify that there was no controversy about the death of Jesus/Isa (pbuh). (Injil/ see John 18 & Matthew 27:64). (Josephus/Tacitus) His enemies admit his death. Will you?

The Ignorant have veiled the truth of the death/burial and resurrection of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), by classifying it as a mutashahihat verse, i.e. "a verse in which it is something known only to Allah". The Injil/Gospel (New Testament) is very clear, and "cannot be changed" (Surah 10:65). No wonder, Muhammad had been told to consult the Christians whenever he was in doubt. "If thou (Muhammad) wert in doubt (shakk) as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book (Bible) from before thee." (Surah 10:94).

Study the Taraut (Old Testament) prophecies of the death of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), in Isaiah 50:4-10, 52:13-54:12, 61:1-11, the Zabur, Psalms 22:1-31, 34:20, 69:21, Zechariah 12:10-13:1, and compare them to the events in the Gospel/Injil/ (New Testament). These detailed prophecies were made hundreds of years before their fulfillment, and the fact that they were fulfilled in detail shows God/Allah’s SWT miraculous Sign for All Peoples!

The clear Signs of the Most High Friend (Jesus/Isa (pbuh), reveal the Siratul Mustaqiim (Straight Way) clearly for all mankind to follow.

"To Jesus, son of Mary we gave Clear Signs and strengthened Him with the Holy Spirit…Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error…" (Qu’ran 2 Al Baqarah 253, 256).

Perhaps in religion, we have followed the traditional ways of man more than the miraculous ways of God/Allah SWT. Those who reject other ways so as to obey the clear signs of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) are following the gracious guidance of God/Allah SWT. They are always prepared for death and the Kiamat. They have deep assurance of entering Heaven because they take refuge in the pure Holiness of the Most High Friend. Do you wish to have this assurance? Do you wish to be free from guilt because you have decided not to rely on human guidance, or to depend on the limited goodness of your own deeds?

"…whoever…believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy Hand-hold that never breaks." (Qu’ran 2 Al Baqarah 256).

This famous Ayat ul Kursi is clear when we look at ayat 253: We have security when we believe in the Clear Signs of Isa (Jesus) (pbuh) and the Prophets:

As Roh-ul-Lah, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the untainted UnCreated Word, without any form of impurity. Only in his holiness can mankind take His Handhold and make contact with God/Allah SWT, the Holy One, Spirit to spirit. As Roh-ul-Lah, He touches the sick with compassion and the healing power of God/Allah SWT.

In order to create true Love, God/Allah SWT created true Choice, one cannot have one without the other. Yet, once you choose to risk all and submit to Him through the divine Way He provided by Jesus/Isa (pbuh) death, burial, and resurrection. He promises to Raise You to the NEW Life free from sins torment, with power to overcome any test by His strengthening Spirit, and His faithful promise to Hold you Most securely forever as you walk faithfully with Him!

"My sheep listen to my (Jesus/Isa) voice; I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given then to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." (Injil/ John 10:27-30).

Through life and death, we can have this lasting Peace if we believe in the miracle (muzzizah) Sign of God/Allah SWT Ta’ala about life and death.

In Surah Al Imran, ayat 55, Allah SWT, the Owner of the Day of Judgment, took back (the life of) Jesus/Isa, raised him back to Himself.

God/Allah SWT clears Isa (pbuh) of all charges, and rewards highly those who have Faith in the Korban of Isa (pbuh). Inshah Allah, When we take refuge in the Korban sacrifice of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), God/Allah SWT clears us and miraculously raises us to Heavenly places with Him. Al Hamdu’illah!

Can you cry out in the same way as others to our Most High Friend?

Pray now saying:

"Allahumma" (O God/Allah),

"Astafirullah" (forgive my sins) I reject all other ways to save myself and I trust Your Korban Sign in Jesus/Isa (pbuh) to save me on the Kiamat. I receive only your Way. Thank you for your precious Mercy to me. Amin

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) predicted the complete destruction of the Jewish Temple in AD 70, forever setting aside true Old Testament Judaism (only Zionism exists today).

In the Injil/Acts 2:11, when the Gospel of Salvation in Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was preached miraculously in the native tongue of every nation present, (including Arabs), they believed as you do now, and asked the question, what shall we do?

The Apostle Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off---for all whom the Lord our God will call. With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." (Injil/ Acts 2:38-40). It says the same day 3000 people accepted the message and were baptized and many of them probably became the first Arab Christians.

God/Allah can save anyone, even the worst terrorist like Saul, became the Apostle Paul, saying, "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief…I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners Christ Jesus/Isa (pbuh) might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life."(Injil/ I Timothy 2:12-17).

God/Allah is calling All to Repentance, Muslims, Christians, Jews, and UnBelievers (especially who think they rule the world from the international Oil Company Offices) to a Worldwide Repentance and Reconciliation through Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

Yes, God/Allah SWT is calling forth His Judgment upon all those who say they believe in the One True God, and then live like He doesn’t exist! He desires His faithful to honor Him now more than ever. Why? He wishes the UNBELIEVER to see the Prince of Peace rules in the hearts of men today, and that His glory can cover and change the earth just as the oceans He made.

I plead for Sanity in a World Insane, I plead for True Change in a Rebellious Day!

I plead for you to seek and turn to the Prince of Peace, Jesus/Isa (pbuh).


  Compere the above verse in color text and this one. Again this is the verse you are talking about I started from the verse above it.
019.020 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

019.021 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
These verses are telling the world about the birth of Jesus cries. sign their is telling you that God has the power to do what he wishes and there fore birth of Jesus is one of his miracle that Israelite of that time saw and if he there fore tell them that he is a messenger of Allah later, they will not denied him. and that is what happened.
And in the above verse why did you intentionally cut the verse(04:171). I left you and everybody to compere what you said and what the verse said. here is the complete verse.  004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is One God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

This is just what we Muslim said and nothing more than that.
 For your own Information, Qur'an Mention all the Prophets with their corresponding miracles not only Jesus.  Why didn't you quote the miracle of the other Prophets mention in the Qur'an. Qur 'an mention Moses  more than  Jesus. But you want people to think that only Jesus were mention. And in your statement you said God appeared to Moses which not correct. God speaks to Moses only.
Posted: at 28-01-2011 12:19 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- enoeno at 28-01-2011 02:24 PM (13 years ago)
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@ Abduuul Early records report that "God comforted him through her, for she made his burden light." Although polygamy was common practice at the time, Muhammad took no other wife than Khadija until her death 24 years later.

so mohammed married a wife on earth before he dies? have you EVER seen or heard in any where that JESUS (the saviour of the world) ever married? if yes explained to me where you see or heard if not why are u (muslims) comparing mohammed with him? tell me.

because Jesus the son of God was with God even from the beginning of the world,God the father, the son and the Holy Spirit. the sin was so much on earth that then if u say to some one ur a fool, you sacrifice a ram for cleansing of your soul it was so much that God wanted us to know that Sin Requires Shedding of Blood

Under the Old Testament law, the penalty for men’s sins (that were not punishable by death) was the sacrifice of an animal’s life. The shedding of blood was required to atone for their sin. We might wonder why such a terrible thing was required by God. Why were innocent little lambs and doves slain and their blood sprinkled on the altar? Perhaps we can understand this if we place ourselves in the situation of being instructed to kill an animal for telling a lie or committing some other sin. When one must kill an innocent animal because of his sin, it illustrates the awfulness of sin. God wanted man to understand that when he sinned, it meant death for something or someone.

If we were still under the Old Testament law today, we would be required to take a little lamb and kill it for our sins. This would be difficult for most of us because we would cringe at the thought of slaying anything innocent. The Lord wanted us to realize that the penalty of sin would cause a life to be taken. When people had to take a little dove and bring it to be slain upon an altar as an offering for their sins, the impact of sin became real to them. Sin always requires a sacrifice.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (Hebrews 10:6-9).


Today, we have the Spirit of God that cleanses us from our sins as we confess them. Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and His death and shed blood paid the price for sin once and for all. No longer does an animal need to be offered for our sins.

so my pples(muslims) lets say the truth by calling spade a spade don't harden ur heart accept him (Jesus) today and be saved.

Mary was a virgin who knew no man and the angel of the Lord propheciSE to her that SHE'LL CONCISE and she ask that how can she concise she doesn't sleep with any man and the angel told her she will concise through Holy spirit and she'll born the Emmanuel Christ with us the savoiur of the world he died a shameful death on the cross of calvary

so tell me why u pple compare Jesus with Mohammed and what makes u pple think so
mohammed married but Jesus never did becos he did not come into the worl d for that he came for a purpose and that was His death on the cross to save who ever that believe in him and he rose on the third day and now he is at the right hand of God so tell me is it like this with ur mohammed Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?? any of u who wants to respond to this should give a reasonable answer pls.
Posted: at 28-01-2011 02:24 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- chik001 at 28-01-2011 02:26 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 28-01-2011 09:45 AM
Quote from: chik001 on 27-01-2011 01:35 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 27-01-2011 12:30 PM
@chik001: Firstly, You did not answer the first question that I have ask which says"OK are you telling me that the old testament is not the word of god?  if it is really the word of god how manage it includes the above quotations?
Why is it that they are still producing the old testament if you are living in the new testament covenant?."
 Answer this first.
The Old Testament is the word of God...The old testament is/was included as examples and emphasis on how God dealt with people in that age...
We are called Christians (little Christs) because we live the New Testament usher in by the teachings of Christ...which is a fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Christ words:
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them...Mathew 5:17
@chik001: Since you agreed that the old testament is the word of God then answer the next question that says"how manage it includes the above quotations".   

...am lost here Huh?...could you please rephrase your question please...?
Posted: at 28-01-2011 02:26 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- enoeno at 28-01-2011 02:47 PM (13 years ago)
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This is just what we Muslim said and nothing more than that.
 For your own Information, Qur'an Mention all the Prophets with their corresponding miracles not only Jesus.  Why didn't you quote the miracle of the other Prophets mention in the Qur'an. Qur 'an mention Moses  more than  Jesus. But you want people to think that only Jesus were mention. And in your statement you said God appeared to Moses which not correct. God speaks to Moses only.

point of correction Jesus is not a prophet as you said He is the son of God you claim you quote bible did you see where it is written that he is the son of God Huh?Huh??

u can say that to ur mahammed prophet who married and as well commit sin but Jesus was sent for a purpose which he has accomplished.

to the point of death mohammed calling Jesus most high friend tell me if he (mohammed) was the same with my Lord Jesus Christ he wouldn't have call him his most high friend take a look at this   The prayer of Muhammad (pbuh) before his death: "Oh God, forgive me, have mercy upon me and contact me to the Most High Friend." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1573). Then he lifted up his hand saying, "The Most High Friend.", then his hand laid down and he passed away. (Bukari 1574).

Who is this Most High Friend, Muhammad (pbuh) called upon at his death? "I am closer to Jesus the son of Mary in this earth and heaven." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1501). Yes, the Most High Friend whom Muhammad called upon in his last moments was Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

I plead with you today in a world that has lost much of its sanity to consider this:

It is not an accident that your eyes have found this article, God/Allah has directed you to look at this today!

"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion." (Injil/ Hebrews 3:15).
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JESUS/ISA (pbuh), the Mercy of God:
A Plea for Sanity, a Plea for True Change

By Ma RG

(Assalaamu’laikum wa Rahmatulaahi wa Barakaatuh)

The tragedy of the recent week is still fresh in our minds (The Attack on the World Trade Center NY), and all throughout the world people must deal with the fear and uncertainty of the coming weeks. The stark reality is the specter of death itself, and that anyone of us could have been one of those innocent victims on an airplane, at the office, regardless of race, creed, or color, our children, even me.

My prayer as I write this article is for true reconciliation and true understanding to be established between Muslims, Jews, and Christians for the future days ahead. One can only hope that a paradigm transformation can be born out of this time which will bring forth God/Allah’s SWT mercy and loving compassion in a fresh way.

Peace be upon us as we seek sanity in the midst of insanity. Peace be upon us as we seek to know better the One true God/Allah who is closer than the vein in our neck. Peace be unto us as we seek to know the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace that passes all understanding and guards our hearts and minds.

God/Allah SWT desires that we seriously study these things, for He has the authority to put us in Heaven or sentence us to Hell, based on His justice. Though God/Allah SWT has inscribed the rule of Mercy as an attribute above all others being called Ar’ Rahmanir Rahim (the Most Merciful and Compassionate One), so He has warned us to watch and prepare at all times for the coming of death and the Kiamat (Day of Judgment). All men are appointed to die once and then face the Day in which we all must give an account to our Creator for the choices we have made or failed to make in our time on earth.

"Nay, Allah raised (rafa’a) him up (Jesus/Isa,pbuh) unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise.
"(Qu’ran (Al Nisa) 4:158).

According to both Muslims and Christians, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is His "Sign unto men and a Mercy from us" Qu’ran 19 Maryam 19:21, …"whose Name is the Messiah, illustrious in this world and in the Hereafter." (Qu’ran 3 Al Imran 45), for Jesus/Isa is the UnCreated Word of God/Allah "…an Apostle (Rasul) of Allah, and His Word (Kalimatuhu), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Ruhu minh)" (Qu’ran Al Nisa 4:171).

Why would Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone be given by God/Allah SWT the title of Messiah (al-Masih), over eleven times in the Qu’ran? Why would Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone then be given the title of His Word (Kalimatuhu)?

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is further called "…a Word from Him (Kalimatim min hus)" (Qu’ran Ali Imran 3:45), and again "…a Word from Allah (Kalimatim minallaahi)" (Qu’ran Ali Imran 3:39).

"…(Jesus)Isa is Roh-ul-Lah (The Spirit of Allah), Rasullah (The Messenger of Allah) and Kalimatullah (the Word of Allah)." (Anas bin Malik hal: 72. Qs 4 An Nisaa’ 171).


 

 

 

As the Ahl al Kitab (People of the Book), Christians take every word God says seriously, and they have no need to exaggerate the greatness of the Messiah, for God/Allah SWT Himself lifts Jesus/Isa (pbuh) high above all other names!

The divine mission of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) has never ended, for Jesus/Isa is the UnCreated Word, the everLiving Messiah and Rasul, living Today. The Day of Judgment has been given into his hands alone by God/Allah SWT for ALL MANKIND!

When we pray, we ask God/Allah SWT, to "Show us the Straight Path" (Qu’ran 1 Al-Fatihah 6. Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is that Straight Path to be followed! "And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): Therefore have NO DOUBT about the (Hour) but follow ye Me: This is the Straight Way." (Qu’ran 43 Az Zukhrut 61).

In Surah 19:19, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) alone is called a Sinless One in all the Qu’ran!

He is called "holy" (zakiy-pure, sinless) son (Ghulam (youth or young man). Some Muslim scholars would argue that "zakiy ghulam" means that all infants born are sinless, hence attempting to resolve the problem of a "once in all history" birth of the Sinless Jesus, but this cannot hold up to a careful look. The word used here "Ghulam" meaning youth or young man is similar to that used in Surah 18:74 (a slain youth by Al Khidr), v.80 (rebellious youth), vs.82 (two orphans youth attaining their age of full strength to claim hidden treasure under the wall). To avoid confusion, another word "Tifl" meaning "little children or infants" as in Surah 22:5, 40:67 should have been used in Surah 19:19 if only those below the age of accountability is intended!

My friend, use the mind God/Allah SWT has given you! Why was Jesus/Isa (pbuh) protected from Satan? (Surah 3:36), and "Blessed (Mubarakan) wheresoever he be." (Surah 19:31)? Only Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is able to be in the Presence of God (Surah 4:158) after his ascension without being pulverized like the mountain when God appeared to Moses (Surah 7:143).

Truly, Moses (pbuh) pointed forward to Jesus/Isa as the UnCreated Word of God, the Messiah, the Sinless One, the everLiving One Today. Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was born of a virgin, "The Word became flesh" (Gospel/Injil John 1:14), and dwelt on earth as a once in all history Miracle working Man? Why?

Just as Moses (pbuh) pointed forward to Jesus/Isa (pbuh) in History, Muhammad (pbuh) pointed back in History to the "Center of All History and Judgment on All Mankind", for Muhammad was supposed to be only a Warner (Nazir), to Seal the Truth that Jesus/Isa is the Messiah, the UnCreated Word of God!

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was sent by God/Allah SWT not just to the Jewish people, but rather to the Entire World in every Age of Mankind, for he is the Judge!

"All authority has been given to Me (Jesus/Isa) in heaven and on the earth, GO, therefore and make disciples of ALL NATIONS (ethnos/tribes and peoples including Arabs), baptizing them in the name of the Father (God/Allah SWT), the Son (the Kalimatuhu,UnCreated Word of God born Sinless of a virgin), and the Holy Spirit (Ruhuminh), teaching them to observe ALL THINGS whatever I have commanded you, and behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, even to the end of the age." (Gospel/Injil, Matthew 28: 18-20).

God/Allah’s Word is ETERNAL! He has an Eternal Plan for the Ages, "…that in the ages to come, He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness towards us through Jesus/Isa, the Messiah, …for God, who is rich in MERCY, made us alive with the Messiah, even when we were dead in sin, it is by grace you have been saved and God/Allah raised us up with the Messiah, and seated us with him in Heavenly Realms (present tense) in Jesus the Messiah." (Injil/Ephesians 2:4-7).

Therefore, since Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is more than just a Prophet, but rather the Eternal UnCreated Word of God/Allah SWT, his Position and Authority is Eternal as well! In the Taruat/Old Testament, the book of Isaiah (pbuh), we find the prophecy of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) written hundreds of years before both the Injil and the Qu’ran saying,

"Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give you a Sign, BEHOLD, A VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON, AND SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL (meaning God/Allah SWT with us). (Taruat/ Isaiah 7:14). Then in the following chapters it speaks of this son saying, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, of the increase of his government and peace there shall be NO END!" (Taruat/ Isaiah 9:6,7).


 

 

 

Think of the implications of what the Word of God/Allah says, the Government that Jesus/Isa (pbuh) MUST increase and never, never, never, never, End.

In the Qu’ran, are you asked to OBEY any other than God/Allah SWT? To the One we OBEY, then He is Lord! In the Qu’ran, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) says, "(I have come to you) To attest the Law (Taruat) which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from the Lord, SO FEAR GOD/ALLAH and OBEY ME!" (Surah 3:50).

In Truth, who is the Last Prophet? If Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the Eternal UnCreated Word of God, living Forever speaking for God/Allah, Judging in the Judgment upon ALL MANKIND, both Christian and Muslim, chronologically, who is Last?

You must have the courage to answer this between you and God/Allah SWT.

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is not the forerunner preparing the way for Islam, for he is the UnCreated Word of God, "Jesus Christ (the Messiah, Anointed One), is the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Injil/ Hebrews 13:Cool.

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel I am the Apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Law (which came/Taraut/Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad" (Qu’ran, Surah 61:6).


 

 

 

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was talking to Israelites in the context of Surah 61:6 of the coming Rasul named Ahmad who will also be sent to the Israelites. There is NO mention of the Ishmaelites, Arabs or Quraishites in Surah 61:6….AN ISRAELITE RASUL IS ANTICIPATED! The name Ahmad and not Muhammad was given. The meaning of both names are different and also antithetical-Ahmad means "one who gives praise" and Muhammad means "one who receives praise or praiseworthy"! According to Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Taqi ud Din Al-Hilali, The Noble Quran, pg. 790, "the second name of Muhammad and it (Ahmad) literally meaning "One who praises Allah more than others."

Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 6, pg. 488 states Surah 61:6 is a variant reading and the name "Ahmad or "Muhammad" was not stipulated but ONLY AN UNNAMED PROPHET was given: "O Children of Israel, I am God’s Messenger to you and I announce to you a prophet whose community will be the last community and by which God will put the seal of the prophets and messengers".

This prophecy is apparently by the Muslim scholars own admission not a clear Sign (Ayat) of God/Allah SWT. This is not consistent with the claim in Surah 2:1, "This is the Book in its guidance, sure and without doubt, to those who fear Allah."

Therefore, who is Jesus/Isa (pbuh) speaking of in Surah 61:6? Perhaps, the Apostle Paul! This Israelite terrorist of the Christians had a personal revelation of Jesus, who commissioned him to take the everlasting Gospel to ALL NATIONS!

First, the Apostle Paul went to his fellow Jews, and then later was directed to go to the unbelievers. Paul faithfully preached to all the Greek, Roman and ARAB world! Yes, turn to the Injil, New Testament in Galatians 1: 13-17 and see!

"For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into ARABIA and later returned to Damascus."(Injil/ Galatians 1:13-17), see also Injil/Acts 9:1-31, 21:40-22:1-21.

Paul the Apostle was fluent in Aramaic and was said to spend up to 12 years in Arabia teaching about Jesus/Isa (pbuh) and warning people to turn to God from darkness, so its seems strange to see it said in the Qu’ran of Muhammad (pbuh),

"To give warning to a people to whom No Warner (Nazir) had come before thee." (Qu’ran Surah 28:46 (32:3). Is it not true that there were many Christians throughout the Middle East by the time of Muhammad (pbuh)?

Some may try to dismiss everything by saying the Injil (New Testament), Zabur, (Psalms), and Taurat (Old Testament) are all corrupted by men, yet they are truly Ignorant . The Qu’ran teaches the Bible is the Word of God/Allah SWT and can never be corrupted, changed or altered!

The Qu’ran says, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was Guidance, and Light and Confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a Guidance and an admonition to those who fear God. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein." (Surah 5:46-47).

"..No change can there be in the Words of God." (Surah 10:65).

"…there is None that can alter the Words (and decrees) of God." (Surah 6:34).


 

 

 

Baizawi says on this verse, "There is no altering His sayings, and there is no breach of His promises." Therefore, many stand quilty before God/Allah on the Day of Judgment for rejecting the truth of their own Books, and will be labeled as without religion (kafirs). Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the Eternally Living Prophet, yes, much more than a Prophet, the Eternal Word of God/Allah, therefore, his Word is UnChanging and Authoritative yesterday, today and forever speaking to every dispute God/Allah’s SWT divine answers!

"Such (was/is) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of Truth, about which they (vainly) dispute." (Qu’ran 19 Maryam 34).

"Laa mahdiyan illa Isabnu Maryam" "There is no Imam Mahdi (Fully Guided Intercessor) except Jesus the Son of Mary." (Hadiths Ibnu Majah)


 

 

 

Do you honor Jesus/Isa (pbuh) as "God/Allah’s Word" (Qu’ran 4 An Nisa 171), and "a Sign for all Peoples"? (Qu’ran 21 Al Aanbiyaa 91). Do you wish to honor this one who is "nearest to Allah" both now and in the hereafter? (Qu’ran 3 Aali Imram 45). God/Allah SWT is the Protector of His Word and He will protect you as well if you trust in Him today through the name of Jesus/Isa!

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (Injil/ Acts 4:12).

First, do you believe? "And this is his command: to believe in the name of his son, Jesus the Messiah(Christ), and to love one another as he commanded us." (Injil/ I John 3:23-24) "Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them."(vs. 24).

"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." (Injil/ Romans 10:10).


 

 

 

The prayer of Muhammad (pbuh) before his death: "Oh God, forgive me, have mercy upon me and contact me to the Most High Friend." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1573). Then he lifted up his hand saying, "The Most High Friend.", then his hand laid down and he passed away. (Bukari 1574).

Who is this Most High Friend, Muhammad (pbuh) called upon at his death? "I am closer to Jesus the son of Mary in this earth and heaven." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1501). Yes, the Most High Friend whom Muhammad called upon in his last moments was Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

I plead with you today in a world that has lost much of its sanity to consider this:

It is not an accident that your eyes have found this article, God/Allah has directed you to look at this today!

"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion." (Injil/ Hebrews 3:15).

Secondly, I plead with you by the Mercy of God, to repent and change the direction you have been going, admit the wrong thinking and doing of your life, fear God/Allah SWT, and Obey Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

"God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble, Submit yourselves then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and He will come near to you. Wash your hands you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up." (Injil/ James 4:7-10).

Real change of heart leads to clear change of actions. Our motive for doing what is right cannot be just based on good works, its deeper, our motive is gratitude. (6)

"So Peace is on me the day I (Jesus) was born, the day that I die, and the day I shall be raised up to Life (again)" (Qu’ran 19 Maryam 33).

"Behold! God said: "O Jesus! Will take thee and raise thee to myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection…" (Qu’ran 3 Aali Imraan 55).

"That they (unbelieving Jews) said (in boast) "We killed (qatal)( al Masih Isa) Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah," but they killed him not (wa maa qataluuhu), nor crucified him (wa maa salabuuhu), but so it was to appear to them (wa laakin shubbiha lahum), and those who differ therein are full of doubts (Shakk) with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety-They killed him not (wa maa qataluuhu yaqiina)." (Qu’ran Surah 4:157).


 

 

 

Thirdly, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) came to earth as a sinless child for One Divine Purpose, to fulfill prophecy and SUBMIT TO GOD willingly His life as a Sacrifice for the sin of Mankind Once and for all time, so that all Mankind can be brought into a true relationship with God/Allah SWT as a "Sign to ALL PEOPLES".

Though the Jews might have mockingly boasted that they killed Jesus/Isa (pbuh), in truth, they did not, for they only instigated the Romans to actually crucify him.  The Roman soldiers were experts at the torture of crucifying people. If they failed to execute the person, especially the right person, the penalty was that they would die for the failure! They always finished the job by thrusting a spear through the victims side to pierce their heart. Secular historians verify that there was no controversy about the death of Jesus/Isa (pbuh). (Injil/ see John 18 & Matthew 27:64). (Josephus/Tacitus) His enemies admit his death. Will you?

The Ignorant have veiled the truth of the death/burial and resurrection of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), by classifying it as a mutashahihat verse, i.e. "a verse in which it is something known only to Allah". The Injil/Gospel (New Testament) is very clear, and "cannot be changed" (Surah 10:65). No wonder, Muhammad had been told to consult the Christians whenever he was in doubt. "If thou (Muhammad) wert in doubt (shakk) as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book (Bible) from before thee." (Surah 10:94).

Study the Taraut (Old Testament) prophecies of the death of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), in Isaiah 50:4-10, 52:13-54:12, 61:1-11, the Zabur, Psalms 22:1-31, 34:20, 69:21, Zechariah 12:10-13:1, and compare them to the events in the Gospel/Injil/ (New Testament). These detailed prophecies were made hundreds of years before their fulfillment, and the fact that they were fulfilled in detail shows God/Allah’s SWT miraculous Sign for All Peoples!

The clear Signs of the Most High Friend (Jesus/Isa (pbuh), reveal the Siratul Mustaqiim (Straight Way) clearly for all mankind to follow.

"To Jesus, son of Mary we gave Clear Signs and strengthened Him with the Holy Spirit…Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error…" (Qu’ran 2 Al Baqarah 253, 256).

Perhaps in religion, we have followed the traditional ways of man more than the miraculous ways of God/Allah SWT. Those who reject other ways so as to obey the clear signs of Jesus/Isa (pbuh) are following the gracious guidance of God/Allah SWT. They are always prepared for death and the Kiamat. They have deep assurance of entering Heaven because they take refuge in the pure Holiness of the Most High Friend. Do you wish to have this assurance? Do you wish to be free from guilt because you have decided not to rely on human guidance, or to depend on the limited goodness of your own deeds?

"…whoever…believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy Hand-hold that never breaks." (Qu’ran 2 Al Baqarah 256).

This famous Ayat ul Kursi is clear when we look at ayat 253: We have security when we believe in the Clear Signs of Isa (Jesus) (pbuh) and the Prophets:

As Roh-ul-Lah, Jesus/Isa (pbuh) is the untainted UnCreated Word, without any form of impurity. Only in his holiness can mankind take His Handhold and make contact with God/Allah SWT, the Holy One, Spirit to spirit. As Roh-ul-Lah, He touches the sick with compassion and the healing power of God/Allah SWT.

In order to create true Love, God/Allah SWT created true Choice, one cannot have one without the other. Yet, once you choose to risk all and submit to Him through the divine Way He provided by Jesus/Isa (pbuh) death, burial, and resurrection. He promises to Raise You to the NEW Life free from sins torment, with power to overcome any test by His strengthening Spirit, and His faithful promise to Hold you Most securely forever as you walk faithfully with Him!

"My sheep listen to my (Jesus/Isa) voice; I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given then to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." (Injil/ John 10:27-30).

Through life and death, we can have this lasting Peace if we believe in the miracle (muzzizah) Sign of God/Allah SWT Ta’ala about life and death.

In Surah Al Imran, ayat 55, Allah SWT, the Owner of the Day of Judgment, took back (the life of) Jesus/Isa, raised him back to Himself.

God/Allah SWT clears Isa (pbuh) of all charges, and rewards highly those who have Faith in the Korban of Isa (pbuh). Inshah Allah, When we take refuge in the Korban sacrifice of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), God/Allah SWT clears us and miraculously raises us to Heavenly places with Him. Al Hamdu’illah!

Can you cry out in the same way as others to our Most High Friend?

Pray now saying:

"Allahumma" (O God/Allah),

"Astafirullah" (forgive my sins) I reject all other ways to save myself and I trust Your Korban Sign in Jesus/Isa (pbuh) to save me on the Kiamat. I receive only your Way. Thank you for your precious Mercy to me. Amin

Jesus/Isa (pbuh) predicted the complete destruction of the Jewish Temple in AD 70, forever setting aside true Old Testament Judaism (only Zionism exists today).

In the Injil/Acts 2:11, when the Gospel of Salvation in Jesus/Isa (pbuh) was preached miraculously in the native tongue of every nation present, (including Arabs), they believed as you do now, and asked the question, what shall we do?

The Apostle Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off---for all whom the Lord our God will call. With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." (Injil/ Acts 2:38-40). It says the same day 3000 people accepted the message and were baptized and many of them probably became the first Arab Christians.

God/Allah can save anyone, even the worst terrorist like Saul, became the Apostle Paul, saying, "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief…I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners Christ Jesus/Isa (pbuh) might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life."(Injil/ I Timothy 2:12-17).

God/Allah is calling All to Repentance, Muslims, Christians, Jews, and UnBelievers (especially who think they rule the world from the international Oil Company Offices) to a Worldwide Repentance and Reconciliation through Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

Yes, God/Allah SWT is calling forth His Judgment upon all those who say they believe in the One True God, and then live like He doesn’t exist! He desires His faithful to honor Him now more than ever. Why? He wishes the UNBELIEVER to see the Prince of Peace rules in the hearts of men today, and that His glory can cover and change the earth just as the oceans He made.

I plead for Sanity in a World Insane, I plead for True Change in a Rebellious Day!

I plead for you to seek and turn to the Prince of Peace, Jesus/Isa (pbuh).


 Compere the above verse in color text and this one. Again this is the verse you are talking about I started from the verse above it.
019.020 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

019.021 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
These verses are telling the world about the birth of Jesus cries. sign their is telling you that God has the power to do what he wishes and there fore birth of Jesus is one of his miracle that Israelite of that time saw and if he there fore tell them that he is a messenger of Allah later, they will not denied him. and that is what happened.
And in the above verse why did you intentionally cut the verse(04:171). I left you and everybody to compere what you said and what the verse said. here is the complete verse.   004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is One God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

This is just what we Muslim said and nothing more than that.
 For your own Information, Qur'an Mention all the Prophets with their corresponding miracles not only Jesus.  Why didn't you quote the miracle of the other Prophets mention in the Qur'an. Qur 'an mention Moses  more than  Jesus. But you want people to think that only Jesus were mention. And in your statement you said God appeared to Moses which not correct. God speaks to Moses only.
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- abduuul at 31-01-2011 10:29 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 28-01-2011 02:26 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 28-01-2011 09:45 AM
Quote from: chik001 on 27-01-2011 01:35 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 27-01-2011 12:30 PM
@chik001: Firstly, You did not answer the first question that I have ask which says"OK are you telling me that the old testament is not the word of god?  if it is really the word of god how manage it includes the above quotations?
Why is it that they are still producing the old testament if you are living in the new testament covenant?."
 Answer this first.
The Old Testament is the word of God...The old testament is/was included as examples and emphasis on how God dealt with people in that age...
We are called Christians (little Christs) because we live the New Testament usher in by the teachings of Christ...which is a fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Christ words:
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them...Mathew 5:17
@chik001: Since you agreed that the old testament is the word of God then answer the next question that says"how manage it includes the above quotations".   

...am lost here Huh?...could you please rephrase your question please...?

I mean all those sex issues that I have quoted before, how manage they are found in bible.
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- chik001 at 31-01-2011 01:17 PM (13 years ago)
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I have told you so many times that WE Christians live in the New Testament covenant…the Old Testament was used as an example for us.
Any segxwal relationship that is not sanctioned by God is illegitimate…
Look at all Old Testament Men…From Abraham to Solomon to David…
Abraham sleep with his wife’s maid…it was counted as sin against God…
David married many wives…yet committed sin with Basheeba…he was reprimanded by God and even his later years was nothing to write about.
Solomon was blessed with wisdom…then he started many wives business…and each wife came with their own god…his later years was in sorrow.
Talking about wives…I think I will start a topic on : 16 - 22 WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMED…
Stay tuned…
Posted: at 31-01-2011 01:17 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ODETUNDE at 31-01-2011 02:47 PM (13 years ago)
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The word "Son" is refer to a male child or offspring of Man and Woman relationship. Biologically and Religiously (Spiritually) there is no proof to justify the claims of Christians that Jesus was actually the Son of God because segxwal intercourse must be established between Marry and ......, before the pregnacy that gave birth to Jesus Christ.

Religion historical findings confirmed that the word "Son" was used for Jesus Christ to honour and distinguise him out off ordinary person as a result of his doing miraculiously
Posted: at 31-01-2011 02:47 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- ganster-kid at 31-01-2011 02:56 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: ODETUNDE on 31-01-2011 02:47 PM
The word "Son" is refer to a male child or offspring of Man and Woman relationship. Biologically and Religiously (Spiritually) there is no proof to justify the claims of Christians that Jesus was actually the Son of God because segxwal intercourse must be established between Marry and ......, before the pregnacy that gave birth to Jesus Christ.

Religion historical findings confirmed that the word "Son" was used for Jesus Christ to honour and distinguise him out off ordinary person as a result of his doing miraculiously


 .... The BIBLE said it all i wonder where you got the  inter course that led to the conception of JESUS CHRIST
Posted: at 31-01-2011 02:56 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ajanni at 31-01-2011 03:43 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 31-01-2011 01:17 PM
I have told you so many times that WE Christians live in the New Testament covenant…the Old Testament was used as an example for us.
Any segxwal relationship that is not sanctioned by God is illegitimate…
Look at all Old Testament Men…From Abraham to Solomon to David…
Abraham sleep with his wife’s maid…it was counted as sin against God…
David married many wives…yet committed sin with Basheeba…he was reprimanded by God and even his later years was nothing to write about.
Solomon was blessed with wisdom…then he started many wives business…and each wife came with their own god…his later years was in sorrow.
Talking about wives…I think I will start a topic on : 16 - 22 WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMED…
Stay tuned…


you are comming out again on another vulga languages of yours on our noble prophets ? we shall see
Posted: at 31-01-2011 03:43 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master
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- cadanre at 31-01-2011 04:06 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 31-01-2011 01:17 PM
I have told you so many times that WE Christians live in the New Testament covenant…the Old Testament was used as an example for us.
Any segxwal relationship that is not sanctioned by God is illegitimate…
Look at all Old Testament Men…From Abraham to Solomon to David…
Abraham sleep with his wife’s maid…it was counted as sin against God…
David married many wives…yet committed sin with Basheeba…he was reprimanded by God and even his later years was nothing to write about.
Solomon was blessed with wisdom…then he started many wives business…and each wife came with their own god…his later years was in sorrow.
Talking about wives…I think I will start a topic on : 16 - 22 WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMED…
Stay tuned…


Does that mean that OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT PART OF THE BIBLE/A DIFFERENT BOOK or what? Does that means that Old testament is just liability to you and has no meaning in the present day NEW TESTAMENT?
Posted: at 31-01-2011 04:06 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- Bellegarcon at 31-01-2011 06:40 PM (13 years ago)
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THE QUESTION IS IN 2 PARTS. FROM THE FIRST QUESTION, 'WAS JESUS ACTUALLY SON OF GOD?', A COUNTER QUESTION COULD BE ASKED AND THAT IS, DID JESUS EVER CLAIM TO BE SON OF GOD?  THERE IS NO SINGLE EQUIVOCAL STATEMENT FROM JESUS CHRIST TO JUSTIFY THIS TEACHING WHICH IS ONE OF THE CARDINAL BELIEFS OF CHRISTIANITY (ACTS 2:21 - 23, MATHEW 26:23-25, MARK 14:62, LUKE 5:24 AND JOHN 6:27).  NOTHING COULD BE MORE EXPLICIT.  EQUALLY, THE SECOND PART CAN ONLY ANSWERED BY THE BOOK OF MATHEW CHAPTER 19 :34-35.  TO THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS ANOTHER COUNTER QUESTION, DID JESUS FULFIL HIS PROMISE OF THE SIGN OF JONAS?  WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAS?    (LUKE 11:28-30 AND MATHEW 12:39-41) THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.
Posted: at 31-01-2011 06:40 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- ajanni at 31-01-2011 07:58 PM (13 years ago)
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good , but don,t just quotes , but write the text as well because most of peoples don,t even have a bible to cross check it , i don,t have one anyway
Posted: at 31-01-2011 07:58 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master
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- abduuul at 1-02-2011 11:52 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: enoeno on 28-01-2011 02:47 PM
This is just what we Muslim said and nothing more than that.
 For your own Information, Qur'an Mention all the Prophets with their corresponding miracles not only Jesus.  Why didn't you quote the miracle of the other Prophets mention in the Qur'an. Qur 'an mention Moses  more than  Jesus. But you want people to think that only Jesus were mention. And in your statement you said God appeared to Moses which not correct. God speaks to Moses only.

point of correction Jesus is not a prophet as you said He is the son of God you claim you quote bible did you see where it is written that he is the  Prophate of God Huh?Huh??

u can say that to ur mahammed prophet who married and as well commit sin but Jesus was sent for a purpose which he has accomplished.

to the point of death mohammed calling Jesus most high friend tell me if he (mohammed) was the same with my Lord Jesus Christ he wouldn't have call him his most high friend take a look at this   The prayer of Muhammad (pbuh) before his death: "Oh God, forgive me, have mercy upon me and contact me to the Most High Friend." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1573). Then he lifted up his hand saying, "The Most High Friend.", then his hand laid down and he passed away. (Bukari 1574).

Who is this Most High Friend, Muhammad (pbuh) called upon at his death? "I am closer to Jesus the son of Mary in this earth and heaven." (Hadiths Shahih Bukari 1501). Yes, the Most High Friend whom Muhammad called upon in his last moments was Jesus/Isa (pbuh)!

I plead with you today in a world that has lost much of its sanity to consider this:

It is not an accident that your eyes have found this article, God/Allah has directed you to look at this today!

"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion." (Injil/ Hebrews 3:15).

@enoeno:  first of all I want to know if you are doing this argument for the purpose of knowledge. Why I ask you this is because, on all of my statement I have never insult Jesus as you did above for our beloved prophet(Muhammad(S.A.W)).You should know that all Muslim has a respect to Jesus as we add a title for him as (A.S) as you previously quoted by yourself.
 Secondly i want to us to all of us remove sentiment so that we can continue on our discussion.
 U said that Jesus is not a prophet and you want me to proof you from the bible.  If I did so, what action are you to take next?
Remember what differentiated us is that we Muslims said Jesus is a Prophet and a messenger of ALLAH like all other Prophet and messengers of the same God. I thank God that  the Bible first call him a Prophet before Qur'an calls him that.
 JESUS who was the expected messiah, a prophet, was escalated from teacher to Son of God, Lord, and finally God Himself. Read John 3:2 " The same came to Jesus by night , and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art  a teacher come from God....";(John 6:14): Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world." Jesus is also called Prophet in John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19.
 As regard to the above Hadith, I want you to tell me which volume,Book and number is the hadith. You know that Sahih buhari has nine volume and each volume has number of books. among the books you tell me the number of the hadith i will proof you wrong for sure.
Posted: at 1-02-2011 11:52 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ohboyent01 at 1-02-2011 02:02 PM (13 years ago)
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wow ignorance @ its best....
Posted: at 1-02-2011 02:02 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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