Masturbation Is Not A Sin if it doesn't dominate ur mind - Pastor Chris

Date: 22-02-2012 3:05 pm (12 years ago) | Author: Groove Rocker
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- at 22-02-2012 03:05 PM (12 years ago)
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I will advice everyone to take a careful look at the video posted by nametalkam claiming that masturbation is not a sin by Pastor Chris. that video was taken out of context because he was trying to explain in details that God is only offended by masturbation if it controls ur mind.

i blive a smart person should knw that masturbation is about the mind cos thats the only way it can work which psychologically means that it's a sin. Pastor Chris ideology on masturbation is the same as sayin - having sex is not a sin only if ur mind is not there which is not possible so please dis-regard nametalkam cos he didn't record the full conversation.

P.S: am not a member of Pastor Chris church but I hate it whn som1's name is being bashed for no reason.

Posted: at 22-02-2012 03:05 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
- sophiebaby at 22-02-2012 03:13 PM (12 years ago)
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thank you Mr Spokes Man

Posted: at 22-02-2012 03:13 PM (12 years ago) | Addicted Hero
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- Thomax at 22-02-2012 03:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: sophiebaby on 22-02-2012 03:13 PM
thank you Mr Spokes Man

lol.. u ar welcome!
Posted: at 22-02-2012 03:31 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- luxlyangels at 22-02-2012 03:54 PM (12 years ago)
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What can i say? Lemme leave you with what someone posted on youtube: If you have no problem with it, it is OK!!!! It is our body...........

So where it says "know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" , does not apply to masturbation.

No doubt after this, he will have a lotta Masturbators filling up his pews.
Posted: at 22-02-2012 03:54 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- petmanuel4loura at 22-02-2012 04:04 PM (12 years ago)
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ok
Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:04 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- waco at 22-02-2012 04:09 PM (12 years ago)
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This guy e be like saY u no dey understand english.
abi na da pastor foni dey confuse u ni?
U wan tell me say u listen to that tory yet u no hear wen pastor talk say
masturbation no be sin sake of say ''na ur body and baba Chineke God no worry about am''?

go hear am agin bikodo

Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:09 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- Treasure2 at 22-02-2012 04:11 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: waco on 22-02-2012 04:09 PM
This guy e be like saY u no dey understand english.
abi na da pastor foni dey confuse u ni?
U wan tell me say u listen to that tory yet u no hear wen pastor talk say
masturbation no be sin sake of say ''na ur body and baba Chineke God no worry about am''?

go hear am agin bikodo
WACO JACKO,
Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:11 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- waco at 22-02-2012 04:13 PM (12 years ago)
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My darling Treasure mi, ki lon she le na.
e don tey smaLl o, how body kwanu?

Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:13 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- Treasure2 at 22-02-2012 04:25 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: waco on 22-02-2012 04:13 PM
My darling Treasure mi, ki lon she le na.
e don tey smaLl o, how body kwanu?
Ko si koko jare,
no besmall tey ooo, miss yu die
O dinma, kedu maka olu?
Sophie say you go Canada.  Welcome back.
Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:25 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- houdinin at 22-02-2012 04:27 PM (12 years ago)
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Pls nametalkam watch d full video and correct ur post. Don't come out without bein sure of d facts
Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:27 PM (12 years ago) | Newbie
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- Treasure2 at 22-02-2012 04:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Nobemetalkam.
Posted: at 22-02-2012 04:31 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- Beauti4 at 22-02-2012 07:59 PM (12 years ago)
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You guys should go to youtube you will see there. Its about 8mins
Posted: at 22-02-2012 07:59 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- Thomax at 23-02-2012 09:26 AM (12 years ago)
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waco, i think u need to try watch tht vid towards the end. He said God is not offended by it if it doesn't control your mind and then the video stopped! that ye-ye nobemetalkam alws like to stir things up just to get a story running. wht a fake dude!
Posted: at 23-02-2012 09:26 AM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- eazy2gentle at 29-02-2012 06:22 PM (12 years ago)
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THE PROBLEM WITH MUST PEOPLE IS THE STATE OF THEIR MIND,  FOR THE FACT THAT SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT CONTRADICT YOUR BELIEVE THOSE NOT MAKE THAT PERSON A LIER BUT IT SHOULD MAKE YOU MAKE A PROPER RESEARCH TO KNOW IF THE PERSON IS SAYING A LIE OR YOU GOT YOURSELF A WRONG BELIEVE
MASTURBATION ITSELF IS NOT A SIN,  I DONT WANT YOU TO BELIEVE ME, BUT I WOULD WANT YOU TO RESEARCH FOR FACTS YOURSELF AND AT THE END TELL YOURSELF WHAT YOU SHOULD BELIEVE BASE ON THE FACTS YOU HAVE GATHERED

POINT 1
THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE THAT TALKS ABOUT MASTURBATION,  IN THE OLD TESTAMENT WE ARE GIVEN A CLUE,  BUT NO INFORMATION ABOUT MASTURBATION

Leviticus 15: 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any man has an unusual bodily discharge, such a discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

13 “‘When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. 14 On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the tent of meeting and give them to the priest. 15 The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering[a] and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.
 16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has segxwal relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

HERE WE ARE TOLD IF A MAN HAS A DISCHARGES OF SEMEN OR WHAT SOEVER BY WHAT SOEVER MEAN, HE SHOULD TAKE A BATH AND BE UNCLEAN TILL THE EVENING... THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS SIN AND WE ARE NOT TOLD THAT MASTURBATION IS A SIN, BECAUSE GOD DIDN'T FOCUS ON THE ACT THAT CAUSES THE EMISSION OF SEMEN (IT COULD BE SEX, MASTURBATION OR WET DREAM) HE IS CONCERN WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RELEASE OF SEMEN, AND HE IS NOT CALLING IT A SIN BUT THAT THE PERSON SHOULD BATH, BY LAW EVERY SIN DEMAND A SACRIFICE

POINT 2
THE FIRST THING I WILL LIKE TO CLEARIFY IS WHAT IS MASTURBATION, MASTURBATION IS STIMULATING ONE'S OWN GENITALS FOR segxwal PLEASURE, THAT MEAN ITS AN ACT, THE CAN BECOME A HABIT.

THE PLEASURE YOU DERIVE FROM YOUR SELF BY TOUCHING YOUR OWN BODY AND THEN THE KIND OF FEELINGS WE GET, THE SENSUAL FEELING THAT WE GET CAN RANGE FROM AS SOMETHING AS LITE AS TOUCHING YOUR EARS, PUTING SOMETHING INTO YOUR EARS, THERE IS A FEELING YOU GET AND THE MINGLING OF YOUR NOSE OR SOMETIME EVEN TOUCHING OF YOUR BODY OR MASSAGING YOUR BODY NOT BECAUSE PAIN , AND THERE ARE ALL KIND OF SENSUAL FEELINGS WE GET IN OUR BODY, SENSUAL HERE MEAN MERE ANIMAL FEELING, MEANING NOT SPIRITUAL JUST YOUR BODY,
NOW REMEMBER A SENSUAL FEELING IS NOT NECESSARY A SIN, A SENSUAL DESIRE IS NOT NECESSARY A SIN, IN THE SAME WAY OUR SIN CONSCIOUSNESS IS NOT A SIN, YOU COULD HAVE SIN CONSCIOUSNESS, THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF SIN WHERE AS YOU HAVE NOT SIN AND THAT ACTUALLY A PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE WORD OF GOD THAT SUGGEST THAT MASTURBATION IS A SIN BECOS ITS A PLEASURE THAT YOU DERIVE FOR YOUR SELF.

MASTURBATION IS A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, BECOS YOU ARE DERIVING THE KIND OF SENSUAL PLEASURE THAT GOES INTO YOUR EMOTIONS, THAT WHATS MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, BUT THE REALITY IS IT STILL YOUR BODY, NOW WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR MIND IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, BECOS WHAT SOEVER PLEASURE WE DERIVE FROM OUR BODY DEPEND SO MUCH ON US AS INDIVIDUALS.

NOW VERY IMPORTANT.. NOT BECOS SOME ONE ENJOY SOME THING DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO IT,  NOW THE ARE SOME OF YOU WHO ARE ACTUALLY BOUND BY A SPIRIT OF MASTURBATION, YOU SAY IS THERE SUCH A SPIRIT, OH YES ANY THING THAT WE DO AND ALLOW TO CONTROL US WILL BECOME AN OPPURTUNITY FOR SATAN TO CEASE THE MASTERING OVER US IN THAT AREA, WETHER IS SOFT DRINK YOU LIKE TO TAKE YOU CAN BECOME AS BOUND AS SOME ONE WHO IS AN ACHOHOLIC, YOU SEE, ANY THING THAT YOU LET CONTROL YOU WILL EVENTUALLY CONTROL YOU, THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY MASTURBATE AND NOT BE CONTROL BY MASTURBATION, BECOS ITS A PURELY SENSUAL FEELING AND IS YOUR OWN BODY AND IS NOT THE ABUSE OF THE BODY BCOS, LIKE I SAY ITS A SENSURES PLEASURE THAT YOU ARE DERIVING, SO YOU ARE NOT ABUSING YOUR SELF AS SOME ONE WOULD SAY YOU ARE ABUSING YOURSELF, ITS NOT SELF ABUSE, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THAT MASTURBATION BECOMS A CONTROLLER OF YOUR PASSION, BECOS IT CAN CONTROL YOU AND ONCE IT BEGIN TO CONTROL YOU, YOU ALMOST CANT DO WITH OUT IT, ITS LIKE A GUY WHO CAN NOT DO WITHOUT SMOKING, DRINKING, SO ANY THING THAT YOU LET CONTROL YOU , WILL EVENTUALLY CONTROL YOU AND ONCE YOU ARE CONTROLLED BY ANY THING, YOU HAVE OPEN THE DOOR FOR SATANIC MANIPULATION AND ONCE SATAN BEGIN TO MANIPULATE YOUR LIFE YOU GOT TROUBLE AND THERE IS WHERE THE REAL DANGER IS AND THAT DANGER IS ANYTHING, SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH YOU LIFE IS TO LET NOTHING DOMINATE YOU

A MAN OF GOD ONCE SAID GOD TOLD HIM TO STOP TAKING COFFEE, BUT GOD DIDNT TELL EVERY BODY TO STOP IT BUT GOD TOLD HIM TO STOP IT, GOD CAN TELL YOU TO STOP MASTURBATION, HE CAN TELL YOU TO STOP ANYTHING, BECOS IT MAY BE DANGEROUS FOR YOU BECOS GOD DOESNT LIKE  ANYTHING TO CONTROL YOU, BUT WHETHER MASTURBATION ITS SELF IS A SIN? IS NOT A SIN!, BUT DONT LET IT CONTROL YOU,

POINT 3
MASTURBATION IN ITSELF IS NOT A SIN, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN'T GET SIN IN IT, JUST THE SAME WAY EATING IS NOT A SIN, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN'T GET SIN IN EATING, OF SWIMMING OR ANY OTHER THING YOU THINK IS NOT A SIN
HERE I WILL DEAL ON LUST AND LASCIVIOUSNESS

LASCIVIOUSNESS:  MEANS WANTONNESS, RUDENESS, ABSENCE OF RESTRAIN, UNSEARCHABLE DESIRE FOR PLEASURE
LUST:  MEANS DESIRE, CRAVING, LONGING, DESIRE FOR WHAT IS FORBIDDEN

MASTURBATION IS NOT LASCIVIOUSNESS OR LUST, IT’S AN ACT BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN'T GET LASCIVIOUSNESS AND LUST IN MASTURBATION.
MASTURBATION IN ITSELF IS NOT A SIN

REMEMBER WE DEFINE MASTURBATION AS STIMULATING YOUR OWN GENITALS FOR segxwal PLEASURE, THE DESIRE HERE IS FOR YOUR OWN SENSUAL FEELING, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THIS GOES TO BECOME UNRESTRAINED (LASCIVIOUSNESS : rudeness, absence of restrain, unsearchable desire for pleasure,  & LUST: desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden), THAT IS WHY I SAID ITS WALKING A TIGHT ROPE, WHEN IT BECOME UNRESTRAINED, AT THAT POINT IT BECOMES A SIN WHEN THIS THING TAKE A HOLD OF YOUR HEART.

LUST OR LASCIVIOUSNESS IS NOT MASTURBATION
MATHEW 5:28, WHERE JESUS SAID "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."  HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE HEART IN CONNECTION TO ADULTERY.

FIRST BE CLEAR, FOR THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL segxwalLY AROUSE TOWARDS A LADY DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE SIN
AND BE CLEAR ADULTERY IS REFEREED TO A MAN HAVING SEX WITH A MARRIED WOMAN
Thou shalt not commit adultery. Exodus 20:14
And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
JESUS NEVER SAID HE THAT LOOKETH ON A LADY LUSTFULLY HAS ALREADY COMMITTED FORNICATION WITH HER IN HIS HEART
BECAUSE TO LUST IS TO CRAVE, DESIRE SOMETHING THAT IS FORBIDDEN

A MARRIED WOMAN IS FORBIDDEN FOR OTHER MAN EXCEPT TO HER HUSBAND, BUT WHEN A MAN LUST (Seeking to have her who is forbidden for himself ) AFTER A MARRIED WOMAN ITS BECOME A SIN
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DESIRE A MARRIED WOMAN BECAUSE BY LAW SHE BELONGS TO ANOTHER...  BUT THE BIBLE DIDN’T SAY YOU SHOULD NOT DESIRE AN UNMARRIED LADY

WHAT THE BIBLE IS AGAINST IS YOU ALLOWING YOUR DESIRE TO CONTROLLED BY YOUR DESIRE OR HABIT WHICH  IS  SIN, IF I DESIRE A LADY DOES NOT MEAN I SHOULD GO HAVE SEX WITH HER, APOSTLE PAUL ADMONISH WE SHOULD GET MARRIED
THOUGHTS ARE NOT SIN, BUT IT’S THE THOUGHT WITH A BAD INTENT THAT BECOMES A SIN
Posted: at 29-02-2012 06:22 PM (12 years ago) | Newbie
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- solojaro at 29-02-2012 06:45 PM (12 years ago)
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no comment
Posted: at 29-02-2012 06:45 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- Treasure2 at 29-02-2012 06:52 PM (12 years ago)
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Big bros why no comment.  Grin
Posted: at 29-02-2012 06:52 PM (12 years ago) | Hero
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- Solidstonez at 22-05-2012 04:05 PM (11 years ago)
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PASSING

Posted: at 22-05-2012 04:05 PM (11 years ago) | Addicted Hero
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- HOPEA23 at 22-05-2012 04:32 PM (11 years ago)
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No comment

Posted: at 22-05-2012 04:32 PM (11 years ago) | Addicted Hero
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- uwa190 at 27-06-2012 07:23 PM (11 years ago)
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*Arguementation* heheheheheee
Posted: at 27-06-2012 07:23 PM (11 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ohuneney at 27-06-2012 10:55 PM (11 years ago)
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Blood of God.m*st*u*b*tion is very bad n a dirty thing to do.it starts frm the mind n den takes whole of the entire body.for me its a sin.
Posted: at 27-06-2012 10:55 PM (11 years ago) | Newbie
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