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201  Forum / Religion / Re: what did allah have for muslim women in heaven? on: 21-05-2010 01:23 PM
Quote from: agchris on 21-05-2010 11:29 AM
@ derbi
dont bother yourself, none of them can ever near such a place- HEAVEN. Muhammed their ancestor has not gotten there, and he will not. before he died in the desert, he confessed he his followers that he had no idea of where he was going to. they are all lost :'( :'( :'(

I guess Derbi has gotten an accomplice in Mockery, why i choose not be silent is that The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING. Mr.Chris and Derbi What is it that you people really want??

Bring your proof for these blasphemies if you are truthful, the Message of Muhmmad was clearly from Almighty God and to every nation God sent a Messenger : 

 “And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allaah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way”
[al-Maa’idah 5:48]. The Holy Quran

Who are you to Judge when My Lord has made it clear :  “Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”
[al-Maa’idah 5:50]. The Holy Quran.

If you have any direct proof bring it here and not trying to play God..

May God have mercy on our soul but you Christians are so rude to Muslims here. ITS NOT FAIR
202  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 21-05-2010 11:20 AM

The first revelation of Allah through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad [PBUH] was the word "Iqra" which means "Read" in Surah 96:1-5. As he was illiterate he replied; "1 cannot read." This first revelation was prophesied in Isaiah 29:12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee and he saith, I am not learned."

The order of the revelations is not as the order it is seen in the Qur'an. In other words the first pan revealed is not in the first page and the last part revealed is not in the last page. That these revelations came in instalments and inserted in certain order in the Qur'an as ordained by Allah, was also mentioned in Isaiah 28:10-11: "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak co his people." Another tongue means here another language, not Hebrew or Aramaic but Arabic.

Muslims all over the world are using one language, which is Arabic, in calling their God, in their prayers, pilgrimage and in their greetings to each other. Also this unity of language had been prophesied in Zephaniah 3:9: "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, thai they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent." Alas the Truth has come in Arabic, but some still expect Prophet Jesus [PBUH], who might teach mankind to worship Allah in one unique language in his second coming.

We Muslims are sure that Prophet Jesus in his second coming will join the Muslims in their mosques as he is like any other Muslim, circumcised, not eating pork, and performing prayers with ablution, standing, bowing and prostration.
203  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 21-05-2010 11:12 AM
Quote from: derbi on 20-05-2010 06:31 PM
i just only have one word to say to that , u people always claime to be related to all order religion, but why kill them in the name of jihad, and secondly ALLMIGHTY JEHOVA is a jealouse GOD, and he said we should not serve any order God b4 him, and if not trough jesus know man can make heaven know order name is giving among men,to be save eccept the name of JESUS and know man can come unto is father eccept trough christ JESUS the autor and the finnisher of my faith as a christian, so if u want to go to heaven confess JESUS as ur lord and saveour, and stope believing in all this so called juju indunce budhist e.t.c they are all falling angel who try to join angel lucifa the devil to wage war against GOD ALLMIGHTY in heaven and they were  defeated and cast down from heaven, and that is how mohammed meet  one of the falling angel that decieve him about God, on the last those angel are still going to be distroy along with their follower and those who denied JESUS of what he came to do for man kind so bewera........

Qur'an : Al-Rad
And indeed (many) Messengers were mocked at before you (O Muhammad SAW), but I granted respite to those who disbelieved, and finally I punished them. Then how (terrible) was My Punishment! (32)

PRODUCE YOUR PROOF IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL...
204  Forum / Religion / Re: what did allah have for muslim women in heaven? on: 21-05-2010 11:08 AM
Quote from: schegzy on 19-05-2010 11:06 AM
@derbi,
I know that insults, discrimination and even blasphemy are your area of specialization, You keep on condemning others here everyday.
You fights everyday. As religion is part of your area of specialization, why don't you find better things to talk about your religion and stop bothering yourself about other religions (Islam precisely). If you need to manipulate others to your religion, look for a way to polish your religion, just like the way Pastor Adeboye of R.C.C.G and Pastor Chris of Christ Embassy did. They never discriminate or insult anyone, yet their population increases in number almost everyday.
Blaspheming cannot have any effect on me, even for the fact that I am not so strong in my religion...nothing can divert my footsteps on the path I'm tracing. We have found Islam, we have found PEACE. Why don't you try others and leave we Muslims alone? because no matter how you try on us, your efforts will only be proved abortive.

*Peace*

I guess am not the only one who knows this guy for being rude and Mocking others....
205  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 06:58 PM
@ Derbi read below and tell me wat u think...

The Acts 3, Verses 22: “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, a prophet shall the Lord your god raise unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.” 23: “And it shall come to pass that every soul which will not hear the Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.” 24: “Yea! And all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
The Acts 7: Verses 37: “This is that Moses, who said unto the children of Israel, a Prophet shall the Lord raise up unto you your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.”
206  Forum / Religion / Re: what did allah have for muslim women in heaven? on: 20-05-2010 06:52 PM
@ Derbi why do u confuse yourself, I have answered your questions. there is nothing like 73 virgins in our religion.

 The “virgin” has clearly received more than its fair share of publicity due to its hilarity. The image of a lunatic suicide bomber taking his pick from 72 luscious virgins is much more welcoming to today’s masses and their imagination than whether or not it logically and rationally would suffice. At the very least, it makes for a particularly gratifying affirmation for those who would love to see their political gain protected against Islam and within the Islamic countries.

The harsh punishment promised by God for people who commit suicide murder could not be any clearer than the following verse of the holy Quran:

    But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that in rancor and injustice, soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.  – Chapter 4 (Surah An-Nisa): Verse 29 – 30

What else do u want.

I KNOW WATS IN UR MIND BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....
207  Forum / Religion / Re: BANNING ISLAMIC VEIL. on: 20-05-2010 06:47 PM
Quote from: xd0smujahid on 20-05-2010 05:57 PM
i am beginning to hate this site. Most websites would maintain neutral status but this one cant seem to stop front paging gallant rubbish and avenues for shots againist the islamic ummah. Runners of this site, if u wan't to run a religious website, declare it one and stop hiding behind the curtain of socialization and open discussion.


I AM THINKING OF QUITING MYSELF, IS THIS REALLY A SOCIAL WEBISTE OR AN ANTI-ISLAMIC WEBSITE. MANY OF THE POSTINGS HERE ARE NOT MONITORED OR ASSESSED.

EVERYTHING ABT THE RELIGION FORUM IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TRYING TO MAKE OUR RELIGION LOOK BAD, IF THERE ARE REALLY ENJOYING THIS THEN MY DEAR MUSLIMS I DONT THINK THERE IS ANY NEED FOR WE TO CONTINUE USING THIS SITE.


208  Forum / Religion / Re: BANNING ISLAMIC VEIL. on: 20-05-2010 04:37 PM
Quote from: Eesaa on 20-05-2010 03:53 PM
i think we are all being bias, the issue is weather they are prevented to exercise their religious belief or not, if to say its a Muslim country banning a kind of Xtians dress how would the reaction be?

Am not Suprised, they re already programmed to hate....
209  Forum / Religion / Re: what did allah have for muslim women in heaven? on: 20-05-2010 02:28 PM
Quote from: schegzy on 20-05-2010 10:24 AM
Heaven is for the righteous, while hell is for the evils.

You see what I'm saying now. He is at it again "my conclution is muslim have know hope u guys are not going to heaven sure"
Discrimination and nonsense talk, that is what he is fond of. Do you think you've been righteous with all these your nonsense talks?
Let's see where you will spend your eternity in the hereafter.

Mind you tongue MR., have u even died b4 or tell anybody what heaven looks like.

Many of you would not even respect other pple's belief, you will just come here and post things without reasoning.

May God forgive you
210  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:27 PM
NOTHING FROM SELF

You give this Spirit of Truth (Muhummed pbuh) too much credit, when you allege that he wrote the preceding verses and further authored more than six thousand other verses of the Noble Qur’an.

He cries to us again and again in the Book of God, that this is not my handiwork — "IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM (Muhummed)" (Holy Qur’an 53:4). Exactly as it was prophesied by Jesus (pbuh)

... for be shall not speak from himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak...

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16: 13

 

CHRISTIAN "TRILEMMA"

All the testification and glorification by this "another Comforter," does not placate the Christians. Because Muhummed (pbuh) did not pander to their prejudices. To them glorification meant to deify Jesus (pbuh) — to make him into a God. Instead of solving their dilemma whether Jesus (pbuh) "died" on the cross as a man, or as a God? They have now invented a trilemma. A word not to be found in any dictionary in the world. Josh McDowell the Travelling Representative for Campus Crusade for Christ International, in his book — "Evidence that Demands a Verdict," actually uses his new inspired (by the "Holy Ghost"?) conundrum1 for his chapter 7 — "TRILEMMA -Lord, Liar or Lunatic?" You have now guessed it! The three L's! He wants his readers to answer whether Jesus Christ is your LORD (God), or was he a LIAR, or a LUNATIC? Very ingenious, you will agree! No Muslim could utter that Jesus Christ was a liar, or a lunatic: then what? Its more than any dilemma! It’s actually blasphemy of the highest degree. But he is blinded by his preconceived notions. Roger Bacon, the philosopher who was bom too soon, rightly said: "IT IS EASIER FOR A MAN TO BURN DOWN HIS OWN HOUSE THAN TO GET RID OF HIS PREJUDICES."

1. Conundrum: A puzzling problem or question admitting of no satisfactory solution.

WISDOM OF THE CHILD

To say of any man that he is God, the "begotten" son of God, or that his father is God; is not an honour but an insult. A French peasant understood this distinction better than the millions of erudite Christian scholars walking the earth today.

It is reputed that Louis XV, King of France was a very lecherous person. No woman was safe from his debaucheries. After his death, when his son was well settled on the throne, a rumour spread around Paris that an exact duplicate of the young king was seen roaming about the capital. The King was naturally intrigued to see his double. It did not take the King’s men long to have the rustic from the countryside presented before the King. The King was amused by the stark resemblance to himself and his late father. He was tickled to have a dig at the poor farmer. He politely asked. "Did your mother ever visit Paris during my father's reign?" "No!" the rustic replied, "But my father did!" This was a death-knell for the King, but he had asked for it!

DONT GO TO EXTREMES

The rank hatred of the Jews which lead them to slander Jesus and his mother is bad, and the over infatuation of the Christians for Christ is also bad. Muhummed (pbuh) the Messenger of God condemned both these extremes, and elevated Jesus (pbuh) to his true status, as the Messiah, a great prophet and reformer. Love him, respect him, revere him, follow him; but do not worship him! For worship is due to God alone, the Father in heaven: ALLAH!'

This is true glorification — for,

"He shall glorify me!"

John 16:14

Historically, morally and prophetically, Muhummed (pbuh) the last and Final Messenger of God, "The Spirit of Truth," is the only one to guide mankind into all truth. He is pre-eminently the Natural Successor to Christ.
211  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:27 PM
Extremism Condemned

We will now allow the Spirit of Truth to lay the Ghost of Jewish and Christian extremism, and put the records straight regarding their controversies about the Messiah. The Jews said that Jesus (pbuh) was the illegitimate son of Mary because he could not point a finger to a father. The Christians for the same reason made him into a God and the "begotten" son of God. Just one verse to debunk this lie!

O People of the Book!

Do not go to extremes in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth.

Verily, Christ1 Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, and His Word which he bestowed upon Mary,

And a Spirit proceeding from Him:

so believe in Allah and his messengers.

Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you:

For your Allah is One God:

Glory be to Him:

(Far Exalted is He) above having

a son. To Him belongs all

things in the heavens and the earth.

And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

(SURA NISAA) Holy Qur’an 4:171


ust as a foolish servant may go wrong by excess of zeal for his master, so in religion people's excesses may lead them to blasphemy or a spirit the very opposite of religion.

The Jewish excesses in the direction of formalism, racialism, exclusiveness, and rejection of Christ Jesus have been denounced in many places in the Holy Qur'an.

Here the Christian attitude is condemned, which raises Jesus to an equality with God; in some cases venerates Mary almost to idolatry; attributes a physical son to God; and invents the doctrine of the Trinity, opposed to all reason, which according to the Athanasian Creed, unless a man believes, he is doomed to hell for ever."

The attributes of Christ are mentioned here:

1. That he was the son of a woman, Mary, and therefore a man.

2. But an apostle, a man with a mission from God, and therefore entitled to honour.

3. A Word bestowed on Mary, for he was created by God's word "Be" (kun) and he was. H.Q. 3:59.

4. A spirit proceeding from God, but not God: his life and his mission were more limited than in the case of some other apostles, though we must pay equal honour to him as a man of God.

The doctrines of Trinity, equality with God and sonship, are repudiated as blasphemies. God is independent of all needs and has no need of a son to manage His affairs."

Abdullah Yusuf Ali
212  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:20 PM
CHALLENGE OF THE QUR’AN

3. The Holy Prophet claimed that the Holy Qur'an was from God Almighty, and that it was revealed to him by inspiration. The proof of its Divine authorship is its own beauty and nature, and the circumstances in which it was promulgated. To prove the veracity of his claim, he has placed before you many Suras. Can the unbeliever produce one like it? This is a standing challenge! An eternal prophecy of mankind's inability to equal or excel, or to rival successfully any of its chapters.

Your plea, "I don't know Arabic," is useless. There are millions of Christian Arabs living today. The Christians boast that there are at least 10-15 million Coptic Christians in Egypt alone and these are not all fellaheens.1 Here is the challenge of God in His Own words —

(a) This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah.

Holy Qur'an 10:37

(b) Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support."

(SURA BANI ISRAIL) Holy Qur'an 17: 88

(c) Or do they say. "He forged it"? Say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can, besides Allah, if it be that ye speak the truth!"

(SURA Y-UNUS) Holy Qur'an 10:38

(d) And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto;
And call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah. If your (doubts) are true.
But if ye cannot — And of a surety ye cannot —
Then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones,— which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

(SURA BAQARA) Holy Qur'an 2:23 24

It is now fourteen hundred years since the above challenges, but mankind has singularly failed to produce anything similar or something better. This is an Eternal Testimony of the Divine Origin of the Holy Qur'an.


ISLAM TO PREVAIL

 

(e) It is He who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth.
    That he may proclaim it over all religion.
    Even though the associators may detest (it).

(SURA SAFE) Holy Qur'an 61:9

Within decades the above promise became true.
213  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:16 PM
Fulfilled Prophecies

And he will show you things to come.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16: 13

REFUGEE: ONLY FOR A WHILE

The Christians put great weight on the fulfilment of prophecies. Muhummed (pbuh) fulfilled many prophecies of the Old1 and the New Testaments. To them, the prediction of events is considered to be the function of true prophecy — true prophethood.

The Prophet of Islam uttered many prophecies which are recorded for posterity in the Holy Qur'an. Here are a few taken at random.

1. Verily. He Who (God Almighty) ordained the Qur'an for thee, (He) will bring thee back to the Place of Return...
(SURA QASAS) Holy Qur'an 28: 85

"Place of Return," is a title of the Holy City of Makkah. During the Hijrat (Migration) when the Holy Prophet was fleeing from Makkah to Madinah. It was a hopeless situation. Most of his followers had already migrated to Madinah. Now it was his turn. Together with Abu Bakr (as-Siddiq) he had reached a place called Juhfa, when this assurance was given by God that once again he will return to his birth-place Makkah, and so he did.

He migrated as a refugee and God returns him as a conquerer, fulfilling yet another prophecy.2

And he (Moses) said, the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Seir unto them; he shined Forth from mount Paran (that is in Arabia), and he (Muhummed) came with Ten Thousand Saints:from his right hand went a fiery law For them.
(HOLY BIBLE) Deuteronomy 33: 2

UPER-POWERS: IN CONFLICT

2. The Roman Empire has been defeated

In a land close by;

But they, (even) after (this) Defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious —

Within a few years. With God is

the Decision,

In the Past and in the Future:

On that day shall the Believers rejoice —

(SURA RUM) Holy Qur'an 30: 2-4

 

The above prophecy was revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhummed (pbuh) in the year 615/16 of the Christian era. The Christian Empire of Rome had lost Jerusalem to the Persians, and Christianity had been humbled in the dust. In this holocaust between two of the Superpowers of the day, the Mushriks (polytheists) of Makkah derived vicarious pleasure in the discomfiture of the Romans by the pagan Persians.

"THE PAGAN ARABS NATURALLY SIDED WITH THE PERSIANS IN THEIR DESTRUCTIVE ZEAL, AND THOUGHT THAT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CHRISTIAN POWER OF ROME WOULD ALSO MEAN A SETBACK TO THE MESSAGE OF THE PROPHET, THE TRUE SUCCESSOR TO CHRIST. ... WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVED THAT THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS BEING KILLED BY PERSIA, IT WAS REVEALED TO HIM THAT THE PERSIAN VICTORY WAS SHORT-LIVED AND THAT WITHIN A PERIOD OF A FEW YEARS THE ROMANS WOULD CONQUER AGAIN AND DEAL A DEADLY BLOW AT THE PERSIANS."
Abdullah Yusuf Ali (Commentator on the english translation of the Holy Quran)
214  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:15 PM
ONLY SOLUTION - RESTRICTED AND REGULATED POLYGAMY

Al-Amin, the Prophet of Truth, the Spirit of Truth, under inspiration of God supplies the solution to their unfortunate plight. God ordains —

 ... Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four;

But if you fear that you will

not be able to deal justly (with them)

Then (marry) only one ...

(SURA WSAA) Holy Qur’an 4: 3

The Western world feigns tolerance towards the millions of sodomites and lesbians in their midst. It is a joking matter in the West for a man to keep a dozen mistresses, and beget a dozen bastard1 children every year. Such lecherous creatures are proudly labelled as "studs."2 "Let him sow his wild oats, but don't hold him responsible!" says the West

Islam says: "make man responsible for his pleasures." There is a type of man who is prepared to take on extra responsibility, and there is a type of woman who is prepared to share a husband. Why place obstacles in their way? You mock at (polygamy). which was practised by the prophets of God as recorded in the Holy Bible, you forget that Solomon The Wise had a thousand wives and concubines as recorded in the Good Book (1 King 11:3), a healthy solution to your momentous problem, and yet smugly wink at the gratification of unnatural lusts by sodomites and lesbians! What a perversion? Polygamy was practised by the Jews and the pagans in the time of Jesus (pbuh). He did not say a single word against it. Not his fault. The Jews gave him no peace to propound solutions. His was a natural cry, "when he the Spirit of Truth is came, he will guide you into All truth" (John 16:13).

1. Bastard: is Biblical. The Holy Bible has used it three times: Deut. 23:2, Zech. 9:6 and Heb.12:8

2. Stud: A slang used for a man considered to be excessively virile. The term usually reserved for animal husbandry.

 

COMFORTER TO BE A MAN

If I take the liberty of quoting the prophecy under discussion, with an emphasis on the pronouns, you will agree without any persuasion that the coming Comforter was to be a man and not a ghost.

Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come. . He will guide you into all truth:

for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall

He speak: and He will show you things to come.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16: 13

Please count the number of He's in the above verse. There are s-e-v-e-n! Seven masculine pronouns in a single verse! There is not another verse in the 66 books of the Protestant Bible or in the 73 Books of the Catholic Bible with seven masculine pronouns, or seven feminine pronouns, or with seven neuter genders. You will agree that so many masculine pronouns in one verse ill befits a Ghost, holy or not!


NON-STOP INTERPOLATIONS

When this point of the seven masculine pronouns in a single verse of the Bible was mooted by the Muslims in India in their debates with the Christian missionaries, the Urdu version of the Bible had the pronouns presently changed to SHE. SHE. SHE! so that the Muslims could not claim that this prophecy referred to Muhummed (pbuh) — a man! This Christian chicanery; deception I have seen in the Urdu Bible myself. This is a common trickery by the missionaries, more specially in the vernacular.

The very latest ruse I have stumbled across is in the Afrikaans Bible, on the very verse under discussion; they have changed the word "Trooster" (Comforter), to "Voorspraak" (Mediator), and interpolated the phrase — "die Heilige Gees" — meaning THE HOLY GHOST, which phrase no Bible Scholar has ever dared to interpolate into any of the multifarious English Versions. No not even the Jehovah's Witnesses. 1 This is how the Christians manufacture God's word!

NINE MASCULINE PRONOUNS

The only other place an author has unknowingly used so many masculine pronouns for this mighty Messenger Muhummed (pbuh) is given below:

"HIS GENTLE DISPOSITION, HIS AUSTERITY OF CONDUCT, THE SEVERE PURITY OF HIS LIFE, HIS SCRUPULOUS REFINEMENT, HIS EVER-READY HELPFULNESS TOWARDS THE POOR AND THE WEAK, HIS NOBLE SENSE OF HONOUR, HIS UNFLINCHING FIDELITY, HIS STERN SENSE OF DUTY HAD WON HIM, AMONG HIS COMPATRIOTS. THE HIGH AND ENVIABLE DESIGNATION OF AL-AM1N, THE TRUSTY."

"Spirit of Islam," by Sayed Amir Ali. page 14

"AL-AMIN," the Faithful, the Trustworthy, "even the Spirit of Truth" (John 14: 17). This expression is a figurative way of saying that SPEAKING TRUTH would be so characteristic of him that people would regard him as TRUTH PERSONIFIED: exactly as Jesus (pbuh) said about himself, "I am the way, the truth and the life . . ." (John 14: 6), that these noble qualities are personified in me. Follow me! But "when he the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth" (John 16: 13). then you must follow him! But prejudices die hard, therefore we must work harder. But believe me, with the laser truth that Allah has given us, we can change the world with only a fraction of the energy that the Christian is expending.

SOURCE OF REVELATION

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth! For He Shall Not

Speak From Himself But Whatsoever He Shall Hear, That Shall He Speak.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16:13

I have consistently been using the King James Version in my Biblical quotations, but for greater clarity, I give below, alternate rendering from some different versions of the above emphasised sentence:

1. for he will not speak on his Own

Authority, But will tell only what he hears.

The New English Bible

2. He will not speak On His Own; He will

Speak Only What He Hears.

New International Version

3. for he will not be presenting His Own Ideas,

But He Will Be Passing On To You What He Has Heard.

The Living Bible

This "Spirit of Truth," this Prophet of Truth. "Al-Amin.' will not be speaking spiritual truths on his own impulse, but he will speak on the same basis as his previous Comforter — Jesus (pbuh) had spoken:

For I speak not from myself; but the Father that sent me, he hath given me the commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

.,. even as the Father hath saith unto me, so I speak.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 12: 49-50

In an identical manner God Almighty testifies His revelation to His Messenger Muhummed (pbuh).

Nor does He say (aught) of (His own) desire.

It is no less than, inspiration sent down to Him.

He was taught by one mighty in power. 1

(SURA NAJM) Holy Qur'an 53; 3-5

This is how God communicated with all His chosen Messengers, whether Abraham, Moses or Jesus.2 It would be absurd to think that this "Spirit of Truth" is the Holy Ghost, because we are told that "he will not speak from himself, but what he hears," surely not from himself?

1. All Quranic Commentators understand this role to refer to the archangel Gabriel. Call him the "Holy Ghost" if you like.

2.
Luke 1:70: "And he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began."
Acts 1:16:       .."This scripture must needs have been fulfilled , which the Holy Ghost spake by the mouth of David concerning Judas."
Luke 12:12: " For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say."

GOD - A TRINITY?

It is universally accepted in Christendom, all orthodox Christians who believe in what they call the Holy Trinity; that the Father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God, but they are not three Gods but one God. (?) Let an erudite Christian theologian, like the Rev. Dummelow tell us of this indivisibility, indisolubility of the Christian's "triune" God. Commenting on "We will come" of John 14: 23 he says —

WHERE THE SON IS, THERE OF NECESSITY IS THE FATHER ALSO, AS WELL AS THE SPIRIT, FOR THE THREE ARE ONE, BEING DIFFERENT FORMS OF THE SUBSISTENCE AND MANIFESTATION OF THE SAME DIVINE BEING. THIS PASSAGE ILLUSTRATES THAT THE PERSONS OF THE HOLY TRINITY ARE INSEPARABLE, AND CONTAIN ONE ANOTHER.
215  Forum / Religion / Re: MUHAMMAD: THE LAST MESSENGER on: 20-05-2010 01:07 PM
ABSTINENCE THE ONLY ANSWER

There are thousands of Christian priests who have been lured into alcoholism by sipping the so-called mild wine in the Church rite of the Holy Communion. Islam is the only religion on the face of the earth which prohibits intoxicants in honeypot. The Holy Prophet (Spirit) Muhummed (pbuh) had said. "WHATEVER INTOXICATES IN GREATER QUANTITY, IS FORBIDDEN EVEN IN SMALLER QUANTITY." There is no excuse in the house of Islam for a nip or a tot. The Kitab-al-Haq, the Book of Truth (Haq) one of the titles of the Holy Qur'an condemned in the strongest terms not only the evil of alcohol but also items 2, 3, and 4 namely "gambling." "fortune telling" and "idol worship," with just a single stroke —

"O ye who believe most certainly Intoxicants and gambling (Dedication of) stones and (Divination) of arrows are an abomination of satan handiwork Shun such (Abomination) that ye may prosper"
(SURA MAIDA)    Holy Qur’an 5:93

When this verse was revealed, wine barrels were emptied in the streets of Madinah, never to be refilled. This simple straightforward directive has created of the Muslim Ummah (religious community) the biggest society of teetotaller1 in the world.

HIGH SPIRITUALITY - A SOURCE OF POWER

All the beautiful thoughts, words and expressions, never mind how artistically constructed, remain like ringing bells or clanking cymbals unless they are backed up by a powerful personality charged with high spirituality. And that type of super spirituality comes only as Jesus (pbuh) put it through "fasting and prayer" (Matthew 17: 21).

Muhummed (pbuh) practised what he preached. After his demise someone asked his dear wife Ayesha Siddiqa about the life-style of her husband. She said. "He was the Qur’an in action." He was the walking Qur’an. He was the talking Qur’an. He was the living Qur’an.

"IF THESE MEN AND WOMEN, NOBLE, INTELLIGENT, AND CERTAINLY NOT LESS EDUCATED THAN THE FISHERMEN OF GALILEE, HAD PERCEIVED THE SLIGHTEST SIGN OF EARTHLINESS, DECEPTION, OR WANT OF FAITH IN THE TEACHER HIMSELF, MOHAMMED’S HOPES OF MORAL REGENERATION AND SOCIAL REFORM WOULD ALL HAVE BEEN CRUMBLED TO DUST IN A MOMENT."

"Spirit of Islam" by Sayed Amir Ali, page 21

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Total Guidance!

"MANY" AND "ALL"

   "I have yet MANY things to say unto you"     from verse twelve, with     "he will guide you into ALL truth."     From John 16: 12 and 13.

If the Christian still persists that the Spirit of Truth of this prophecy is the Holy Ghost then ask him or her whether in their language does "MANY" means more than one? Also if "ALL" in the above verse means more than one? If you get a halting, wavering, hesitant "y-e-s" then close the book. it is not worth pursuing dialogues with opinionated fools. But if you get the answer "yes!" with alacrity then proceed ...

The one prophesied by Jesus (pbuh) was to unravel many things which he had left unsaid, as well as to guide humanity into all truth. There are many problems facing mankind today, for which we are fumbling for answers. Can you please give me one new thing that the alleged Holy Ghost gave to anybody in the past two thousand years, which Jesus Christ had not already given in so many different words? I don’t want many, I'am looking for just one!

NO SOLUTION FROM HOLY GHOST

Believe me, in my forty years of questioning. I have not come across a single Christian with a single "new Truth" inspired by the Holy Ghost, yet the promise was that the coming Comforter -"he will guide you into all truth!" If the Spirit of Truth of this prophecy is the Holy Ghost then every Church and denomination, and eveiy 'born-again' Christian is claiming the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Roman Catholics claim that they have the whole Truth because of the so-called "in-dwelling" of the Holy Ghost. The Anglicans make the same claim, and the Methodists, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Baptists, the Christadelphians. etc. etc. not forgetting the 'born-agains' who claim to be numbering over 70 million in the United States alone.

You have the right to demand solutions from them, on the authority of the Holy Ghost, for the problems listed below:

1. Alcohol

2. Gambling

3. Fortune Telling

4. Idol Worship, Devil Worship

5. Racism

6. Problem of Surplus Women etc etc.

PROBLEM OF ALCOHOL

The Republic of South Africa with a small "white"1 population of 4 million among its total population of 30 million, has over 300,000 alcoholics. In neighbouring Zambia. Kenneth Kaunda calls such people "drunkards!" It is recorded that the "coloureds"2 in South Africa have five times the amount of alcoholics as any other race in the country. For the Indians and the Africans no statistics are available for their respective drunkards.

Jimmy Swaggart the televangelist records in his book "ALCOHOL" that the United States has 11 million alcoholics3 and 44 million "heavy drinkers!", and he like a good Muslim, goes on to say that he sees no difference between the two. To him they are all drunkards! The rampant evil of drunkenness is universal. The Holy Ghost has not yet made its pronouncement on this evil through any Church. Christendom winks at drunkenness on three flimsy pretences based on the Holy Bible.

(a)    Give strong drink  (hard liquor)   to him who is perishing (one who is dying) And wine to those who are bitter of heart.
Let him drink and forget his poverty. And remember his misery no more.

(HOLY BIBLE) Proverbs 31:6-7

A very good philosophy to keep the subject nations under subjugation, you will agree.



HIS VERY FIRST MIRACLE

(b) Jesus (pbuh) was no "killjoy," the imbibers say, he turned water into wine in his very first recorded miracle in the Bible:

Jesus saith unto them. Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

And he saith unto them. Draw out now...

When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine ...

And saith ... (why) thou hast kept the good wine until now.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 2: 7-10

Since this alleged miracle, wine continues to flow like water in Christendom.

SOBER ADVICE

(c) Saint Paul the thirteenth self-appointed disciple of Christ, the real founder of Christianity, advises his new convert protege — Timothy, born of a Greek father and a Jewish mother:

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

(HOLY BIBLE) 1 Timothy 5: 23

The Christians accept all the Bible quotations on stimulating and intoxicating drinks given above as the infallible word of God. They believe that the Holy Ghost inspired the authors to pen such dangerous advices. Rev. Dummelow  seems to have some qualms about this verse. He says.

"IT TEACHES US THAT IF THE BODY NEEDS THE STIMULANT OF WINE. IT IS RIGHT TO TAKE IT IN MODERATION."
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"SPIRIT" AND "PROPHET" SYNONYMOUS

Howbeit when he, the Spirit Of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth

(Holy Bible) John 16:13

It has already been established that. Biblically, the word "Spirit" is used synonymously for "Prophet," by the same author in 1 John 4: 1 (as seen earlier).

Hence the "Spirit of Truth" would be the Prophet of Truth. A prophet in whom Truth is personified. He had walked through life so honourably and industriously that he had won for himself even from his pagan fellow countrymen the noble designation of as-Saadiq (the Truthful One) and al-Amin, "the Honest," "the Upright." "the Trustworthy;" the Man of Faith who never broke his word. His life, his personality, his teachings are the veritable proof of Muhummed (pbuh) being the embodiment of Truth (al-Amin) — the Spirit of Truth!
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DISCIPLES NOT FIT

We now come to the four most comprehensive and decisive verses in John. chapter sixteen to solve the enigma of the Successor to Christ. For Jesus (pbuh) did truly say:

I have yet Many Things to say unto you, but Ye Cannot Bear Them Now.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16: 12

We will later tie up the phrase "many things" from the above verse with "guide you into all truth" from the verse that follows, when discussing it. For now. let us discuss the phrase — "YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW"
The truth of this statement "ye cannot bear them now" is repeated monotonously throughout the pages of the New Testament:

And he (Jesus) saith unto them (the disciples). Why are ye fearful, O Ye Of Little Faith?
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 8. 26

AND (JESUS) said unto him (Peter) O Thou of Little Faith...
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 14:31

... he (Jesus) said unto them (the disciples), O Ye Of Little Faith, why reason among yourselves ...
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 16: 8

And he (Jesus) said unto them (his disciples). Where Is Your Faith?

(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 8: 25

We must bear in mind that this is not the indictment of Jesus (pbuh) on the indecisiveness of the Jews, but on his very own elect. He stoops down to the level of little children to make things plain to his disciples but he is compelled to burst out in frustration

And Jesus said, Are Ye Even Yet Without Understanding?

(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 15:16

And when he was provoked to breaking point, he rails against his chosen ones —

' ... O Faithless And Perverse Generation, how long shall I
be with you, how long shall I bear with you?

(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 9: 41

OWN FAMILY THOUGHT HIM MAD

If Jesus (pbuh) would have been a Japanese instead of a Jew. he would happily have committed that honourable "harakiri" (suicide). Sadly, he was the most unfortunate of God’s Messengers. His family disbelieved him For neither did his (]esus’) brethren believe in him (John 7: 5). In fact they went to the extent of wanting to apprehend him. believing that he was mad.

And when his relatives heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him (Jesus); for they said, he is beside himself.
(HOLY BIBLE) Mark 3. 21

Who were these friends and relatives of Jesus (pbuh) which had concern for his sanity? Let Rev. J.R. Dummelow. M.A. in his One Volume Bible Commentary tell us. On page 726 he says —

"FROM V.31" (just 10 verses following the above quotation) "THEY APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN HIS MOTHER AND BRETHREN… HIS FAMILY SAID ‘HE IS BESIDE HIMSELF,’" (meaning that he is not right in his head); "THE SCRIBES SAID, ‘HE IS POSSESSED BY THE DEVIL HIMSELF.’ IT IS NOT, HOW EVER, IMPLIED AT ALL THAT HIS FAMILY WAS IN SYMPATHY WITH THE SCRIBES" (the learned men of the Jews). "THEIR APPREHENSION BEING SIMPLY THAT HIS MIND WAS UNSETTLED. AND THAT HE NEEDED TO BE PUT UNDER RESTRAINT."

JESUS - REJECTED BY HIS NATION

That was the verdict of the close relations of Jesus (pbuh). What then was the response of his own nation, the Jews, after all his beautiful preachings and mighty miracle workings? His disciple puts it very mildly:

He came unto his own (the Jews) and his own received him (Jesus) not.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 1:11

Actually "his own" mocked him. scorned him and vehemently rejected him. To the extent of making an attempt to crucify him.' Despite two thousand years of Christian persecutions and pogroms, and now their overweening love and infatuation for them, so as to salve their own conscience, the Jews as a people and as a whole can never accept Jesus as their Saviour, their Deliverer, their God, simply because of their one sound judgement —

"THAT NO JEW CAN EVER ACCEPT ANOTHER JEW AS A GOD!"

It is only in Islam that the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims can find accommodation — all believing in Jesus Christ (pbuh) for what he really was — one of the mightiest Messengers of God; and not as God or His son!

DISCIPLES DESERTED HIM

What was the response of the chosen twelve; of his own "mother and bretheren!" (Mark 3: 34), as he called them? I will allow Professor Momerie to describe it in his own inimitable words—

"HIS IMMEDIATE DISCIPLES, WERE ALWAYS MISUNDERSTANDING HIM AND HIS WORK: WANTING HIM TO CALL DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN; WANTING HIM TO DECLARE HIMSELF KING OF THE JEWS; WANTING TO SIT ON HIS RIGHT HAND AND ON HIS LEFT HAND IN HIS KINGDOM; WANTING HIM TO SHOW THEM THE FATHER. TO MAKE GOD VISIBLE TO THEIR BODILY EYES;

WANTING HIM TO DO. AND WANTING TO DO THEMSELVES. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH HIS GREAT PLAN. THIS WAS HOW THEY TREATED HIM UNTIL THE END. (and) WHEN THAT CAME. THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM. AND FLED."

Quoted from Sayed Amir All in his "The Spirit of Islam" page 31.

It was most unfortunate that Jesus Christ (pbuh) had no real choice in selecting his disciples. They let him down as no other group of devotees had ever let down their prophet before. It was no fault of the Master. He bewailed his plight: "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh (clay) is weak" (Matthew 26: 41). Truly, this is not the clay out of which a new Adam could be made. He passes on that responsibility to his Successor, whom he calls here — "The Spirit of Truth," ie the Prophet of Truth, the Prophet of Righteousness!
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SCANNING THE CLOUDS

These early followers of the Messiah, forever ran, forlornly fleeing persecution. They ran from one city to another in Israel, scanning every dark cloud for the descent of Jesus (pbuh) in his second coming. The missionaries see no anomaly in their millennium of unfulfilled prophecies. God Almighty did not keep them waiting for even a quarter of the time for the advent of the "paracletos," — the Comforter or Ahmed which is another name for the Praised One. Let them show gratitude to God by accepting this Last and Final Messenger of God — Muhummed (pbuh)!

ADVENT OF COMFORTER CONDITIONAL

(iii) The Comforter is definitely not the "Holy Ghost" because the coming of the Comforter was conditional whereas that of the Holy Ghost was not as we observe in the prophecy —

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go for If I Go Not Away, The Comforter Will Not Come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 16: 7

"lf I don't go he won't come, but if I go, I will send him." There are numerous instances in the Holy Bible about the coming andgoing of the HOLY GHOST, before the birth and departure of the Messiah. Do yourself a favour, please verify these references in your Bible -

B.C. BEFORE CHRIST'S BIRTH:

1. ... and he (John the Baptist) shall be
filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 1: 15

2. ... and Elizabeth was filled
with the Holy Ghost.
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 1: 41

3. And his father Zacharias was
filled with the Holy Ghost.
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 1:67

A.C. AFTER CHRIST'S BIRTH:

4. ... and the Holy Ghost was upon him (Simeon).
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 2:26

5. And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily
shape like a dove upon him (Jesus).
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 3:22

From the above quotations, before and after the birth of Jesus (pbuh), one cannot help admiring St. Luke who appears to be a specialist on the Holy Ghost We may well ask the Christians, after the descent of the "dove", with whose help did Jesus (pbuh) perform his many miracles if not with the help of the Holy Ghost? Let the Master himself tell us. When accused by his own people, the Jews, that he was working in league with Beelzebub (the chief of the devils) to work his miracles, Jesus (pbuh) rhetorically questions them, "How can Satan cast out Satan?" The Jews imputed that this spirit of holiness - the Spirit of God - which was helping him, was devilish. This was treason of the highest order. So he gives them a dire warning:

... but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, it shall never be forgiven
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 12:31

This "Holy Ghost" is non other than what Matthew himself has described in three verses before quoting the Master:

But if I (Jesus) cast out devils by the Spirit OF God, then the kingdom of God is come upon you.
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 12:28

Compare the same statement by another Gospel writer1

But if I (Jesus) by the Finger Of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 3:22

1. Give a second glance at the two verses, top and bottom, and you cannot help concluding that they are almost indentical. Why? The answer is in "Is the Bible God’s Word?".

You do not have to be a Bible scholar to understand that the expressions (a) "Finger of God" (b) "Spirit of God" and (c) "Holy Ghost" are all synonymous phrases. So the Holy Ghost was helping Jesus (pbuh) in his ministry. The Holy Ghost was also helping his disciples on their missions of preaching and healing. If there is still any doubt in your minds about the workings of the Holy Ghost then please read:

EMPTY PROMISE

...as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciples of Jesus),
And when he had said this, be breathed on them, and saith unto them,
Receive Ye The Holy Ghost
(HOLY BIBLE) John 20: 21 –22

This was surely no empty promise. The disciples must have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. So if the "Holy Ghost" was with (1) John the Baptist, (2) Elizabeth. (3) Zacharias. (4) Simeon. (5) Jesus and (6) the Disciples of Jesus; then all this makes nonsense of the saying that "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you." Therefore the Comforter is not the Holy Ghost?

The verse under discussion is John 16: 7. I remember the thrill and joy 1 got out of it when quoting it in Arabic to the Coptic Christian lady in the land of the Pharaohs ( discussed earlier). The pleasure is immense when expounding Biblical verses in the standard native language of a country or locality. I have done it in a dozen different vernaculars. Won't you master the above verse in a language or two of your choice for the good of Islam?
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"HOLY SPIRIT" IS HOLY PROPHET

(i) It may be noted that no Biblical scholar of any standing has ever equated the "paracletos" of John in the original Greek with the Holy Ghost. Now we can say with one breath that if the Comforter is the "Holy Spirit" then that Holy Spirit is the Holy Prophet!

As Muslims we acknowledge that every true prophet of God is Holy and without sin. But whenever the expression "The Holy Prophet" is used among Muslims it is universally accepted as referring to the Holy Prophet Muhummed (pbuh). So even if we accept the above incongruous saying — "the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit," as Gospel truth, even then this prophecy will fit Muhummed (pbuh) like a glove, without any stretching of its meaning.

The same John, who is supposed to have authored the Gospel bearing his name, also penned three more Epistles which are also part of the Christian Bible. Amazingly he has used the same terminology of "Holy Spirit" for "Holy Prophet."

Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the Spirits whether they

are of God; because many false Prophets are gone out into the World.

(HOLY BIBLE) 1 John 4: 1

You can observe that the word spirit is used here synonymously with a prophet. A true spirit is a true prophet, and a false spirit is a false prophet But for the so-called "born-again" Christians who see only with eyes of emotion, I recommend that they lay their hands on C.I. Scofield's Authorized King lames Version of the Bible who with an Editorial Committee of 9 D.D.’s adding their notes and comments. When they come to the First word "spirit" in the above verse they should give a notation to compare it with Matthew 7: 15 which confirms that false prophets are false spirits. So according to St. John the Holy Spirit is the Holy Prophet, and the Holy Prophet is Muhummed (pbuh) the Messenger of God.


A VALID TEST

But St. John does not leave us in the air, guessing the true from the false. He gives us an acid test for recognising the true Prophet, he says —

Hereby know ye the Spirit 1 of God: Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

(HOLY BIBLE) 1 John 4: 2

According to John's own interpretation in verse one above the word "spirit" is synonymous with the word prophet So verse two "Spirit of God" would mean Prophet of God and "Every spirit" would stand for every Prophet You have a right to know as to what the Holy Prophet Muhummed (pbuh) says about "Jesus Christ."

Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is spoken by name no less than 25 times in the Holy Qur'an. He is honoured as —

Isa ibn Maryam  (Jesus, the son of Mary)

An-nabi  (The Prophet)

As-saaliheen  (The Righteous)

Kalimatu'Llah  (Word of God)

Ruhu-Llah  (Spirit of God)

Masih-uLlah  (Christ of God)

 

Behold the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee Glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held In honour in this world and The Hereafter and of (the Company of) those nearest to God-
(SURA al-i-'imran) Holy Qur'an 3:45

MUHUMMED (PBUH) IS THE "OTHER"


(ii) The Comforter in John 14: 26 can never be the "Holy Ghost" because Jesus (pbuh) had already explained—


And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you Another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 14: 16

The emphasis here is on the word "ANOTHER," an other, a different one, an additional one, but of the same kind, yet distinctly different from the first. Who is then the first Comforter? The Christian world is unanimous that in this case the speaker himself — Jesus Christ (pbuh) is the first Comforter; then the other, the one to follow must be of like nature, subject to the same conditions of hunger, thirst, fatigue, sorrow and death.

But this promised Comforter was to "abide with you for EVER!" No one lives for even Jesus (pbuh) was mortal so must the coming Comforter also be mortal. No son of man can ever be immortal!

Every soul shall have a taste of death.

(SURAAL-I-IMRAN) Holy Qur'an 5:185

ALIVE IN THEIR TEACHINGS

The soul does not really die, but when it separates from the body at the time of the death of the body, the soul will get a taste of death. But our Comforter was to "ABIDE" continue, endure for ever. All Comforters abide with us for ever. Moses is here with us today in his teachings. Jesus is here with us today in his teachings and Muhummed also is here with us in his teachings today. (May the peace and blessings of God be upon them all). This is not my novel idea trying to justify the preposterous. I say this with conviction and on the authority of Jesus Christ (pbuh) himself.

In Luke, chapter sixteen, Jesus (pbuh) tells us the story of the "Rich Man, Poor Man.' At death both find themselves at opposite ends — one in Heaven and the other in Hell. The rich man (Dives) simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar (Lazarus) to assuage his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, as a last favour, requests that Father Abraham send the beggar back to earth to warn his living brothers against their impending doom if they heeded not the warnings of God.

But Abraham said, "If they (those still alive on earth) won't listen to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen even though someone rises from the dead. " (to warn them)

(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 16: 31

Jesus (pbuh) uttered the above fact centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel like Jeremiah, Hosea, Zechariah, etc and over thirteen hundred years after Moses (pbuh). The Pharisees at the time of Jesus (pbuh) and we today can still listen to "MOSES AND THE PROPHETS," for they are still alive, and with us here today in their teachings.

'YOU' OF THE TIME

If it is said that the Comforter was promised to the immediate disciples of Jesus (pbuh) and not to a people six hundred years later:

and he (God) shall give You another Comforter, that he may abide with You for ever.

(HOLY BIBLE) John 14:16

Surprisingly, the Christian sees no difficulty in justifying the fulfilment of prophecies "since the world began," 1 and after over a millennium2 when Peter in his second sermon to the Jews, reminds them:

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord Your God raise up unto You of Your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear In all things what-soever he shall say unto You.

(HOLY BIBLE) Acts 3: 22

All these "YE, YOU and YOURS" are from the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 18, 3 when Moses (pbuh) addressed his people and not the Jews at the time of Peter, thirteen hundred years later. The Gospel writers have put the same compromising words in the mouth of their Master which are begging for fulfilment for two thousand years. I think just one example will suffice:

But when they persecute You in this city, flee Ye into another: for verily (most assuredly) I (Jesus) say unto You, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the son of man (Jesus) be come.

(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 10: 25

1. Acts 3:21
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