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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 10:50 PM
| | Dear Gibson, you are a serious advocate. But look at it this way. Here is the World making a big deal about human rights. Is it simply about men's rights or human rights? If is human rights it includes women! If so, I submit that every human being has the right to own their own body. The argument against abortion seems to deny this basic premise of universal human right for the female gender. The woman has absolute right over her own body, including what grows or exists inside her body and whether to carry it to full gestation or not.
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 10:17 PM
| Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.
Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn. There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way. My dear gibsonpally, no need to go into the gory details. That is playing on the emotions. Abortion affects women disproportionately Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender. Pregnancy has an enormous effect on the woman involved. A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life. It is a matter of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy. If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality; and if the constraint is imposed on the ground that the foetus has a right to life from the moment of conception, then it is saying that the woman is just a vessel for delivery, a child-making factory not at par with man! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 09:48 PM
| Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.
Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 09:24 PM
| Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway. I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.
I think she has let her new found corporate power and financial independence get to her head. Can you imagine killing your own husband's child? We are not talking about product of adultery, rape or incest but lawful marriage! But some people want to defend the right of the woman to decide how she uses her body; when she wants to have children etc. The word marriage is being turned on its head. Very true but the human being himself is a very complex animal. Nothing about him is straightforward or perfect. We are only managing as best as we can in this big mystery called life. Indeed, life is a big mystery! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 08:11 AM
| Ladies, b4 u start patting yourselves on the back know that we are not talking some communist country but USA the leader of global democracy. For women who demand complete control of their body, control should include preventing the risk of unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.
As an after thought, if you think the embryonic foetus has no independent right because it is helpless and silent, why bring a life into formation only to kill it when you can avoid it simply by not having unprotected sex. Rights come with responsibilites. That is a typical man speaking! You men can afford to do it without being bothered about pregnancy but you want women not to do it if they don't want to get pregnant. No wonder it is still an unequal world, a man's world! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 07:32 AM
| @ jennypriceson, available reseach showed adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, because it remains the woman's choice whether or not to give her child up for adoption. Statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies - less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women. @ Jenny sis, I am impressed. Another point that I wish to contribute to this point is safety of the procedure. Abortion is now a safe medical procedure. The vast majority of women - 88% - who have an abortion do so in their first trimester. Medical abortions have less than 0.5% risk of serious complications and do not affect a woman's health or future ability to become pregnant or give birth. @ jennypriceson, whilst that may be so, medical evidence suggests that abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increases. @ Danpatrick, apart from medical issues involved have considered a pregnancy forced upon a woman? Look at it this way: In the case of rape or incest, forcing a woman made pregnant by this violent act would cause further psychological harm to the victim. Often a woman is too afraid to speak up or is unaware she is pregnant, thus the morning after pill is ineffective in these situations. So abortion is the right course of action. @tarakhanali, I agree that any forced segxwal intercourse is abominable conduct but in the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished. @ Danpatrick, the point and force of tara's argument is that a frightened victim of rape or incest may have become pregnant by that singular violent act at that point in time. Any medical help will come after conception have already taken place. The proper medical care you referred to that will ensure she will not get pregnant is either too late or it means destroying the embryonic foetus. It is still abortion. @ smithengal, superb reasoning!  I am for pro-choice and agree with you. Another argument being used against abortion is that it should not be used as a form of contraception but such argument falls flat when you consider that pregnancy can occur even with responsible contraceptive use. Only 8% of women who have abortions do not use any form of birth control, and that is due more to individual carelessness than to the availability of abortion. Ladies I lift off my hat in salutation for your reasooned arguments in defence of the woman. I still don't understand this right to kill. @ bigbonecrusher, the ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights. Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization? Spot-on, sis! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 05:48 AM
| @ jennypriceson, available reseach showed adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, because it remains the woman's choice whether or not to give her child up for adoption. Statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies - less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women. @ Jenny sis, I am impressed. Another point that I wish to contribute to this point is safety of the procedure. Abortion is now a safe medical procedure. The vast majority of women - 88% - who have an abortion do so in their first trimester. Medical abortions have less than 0.5% risk of serious complications and do not affect a woman's health or future ability to become pregnant or give birth. @ jennypriceson, whilst that may be so, medical evidence suggests that abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increases. @ Danpatrick, apart from medical issues involved have considered a pregnancy forced upon a woman? Look at it this way: In the case of rape or incest, forcing a woman made pregnant by this violent act would cause further psychological harm to the victim. Often a woman is too afraid to speak up or is unaware she is pregnant, thus the morning after pill is ineffective in these situations. So abortion is the right course of action. @tarakhanali, I agree that any forced segxwal intercourse is abominable conduct but in the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished. @ Danpatrick, the point and force of tara's argument is that a frightened victim of rape or incest may have become pregnant by that singular violent act at that point in time. Any medical help will come after conception have already taken place. The proper medical care you referred to that will ensure she will not get pregnant is either too late or it means destroying the embryonic foetus. It is still abortion. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Dating red flags no man should ignore |
on: 14-08-2011 04:45 PM
| Very interesting piece @ livingday. But what are the red flags women should be looking out for in dating men?
abi? my dear all these have happend to me too but now am just been careful not to be a victim of such again in my life. You are not alone, my dear sister. Some men have animal feelings but smooth talking to deceive. @ jennypriceson, don't 4get that women can be very deceptive too. They can give as much as they get from men if not more. That's what I referred to as the dark soul and two-timing nature of both women and men. You need to lend your shoulder to a weeping man and hear his tale of broken heart wrought by a woman and you will know how baby-like men really are when broken.   @ livingday, very good work. @ tarakhanali, well expressed. Babe you sure can be love doctor. No doubt about it | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Dating red flags no man should ignore |
on: 14-08-2011 01:23 PM
| Interesting and well researched topic @ livingday.
Aggression is way out and should be avoided at all cost, be it from man or woman.
Not everybody is an extrovert. Some are by nature loners but do make passionate lovers if you win their love and trust.
Playing the field? You don't expect her to say I do on the first date, do you? Playing the field is okay.
Love on the rebound? This is a bit trickish and delicate to handle - give it time
Evasiveness - this belongs to the dark soul and two-timing nature of both man and woman
@ tara, very beautiful rejoinder | | | | |
