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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 29-08-2011 08:57 PM
| Story sounds made up. Agnes would never had told her hubby she was pregnant, and let it go as far as his parents ears. In the real world, Agnes would have had her abortion in the quiet behind her husband's back and moved on her merry way. In the case of a marriage I do not think a woman should have absolute right over her body in a choice like this. As for a single unmarried woman, I believe she should have absolute right over her body to choose her path. All unborn fetuses are not human, until they are born and look like a human child. Many women have had things growing in them that when born were not human. A fetus has no superior right over its mother because its mother has to be alive for it to live.
@ Celestial1, I was sceptical like you when I read the story but on second reading, I realised that the poster was very economical with his words. . Agnes is 8 weeks pregnant to the jubilation and delight of Joseph’s parents. However, Agnes is now insisting on having abortion because any child bearing now would jeopardise her career prospects. The sentences in red are a direct quote from a passage in the story. It seems they family were overjoyed initially but on reflection, Agnes changed her mind and is 'now insisting on having abortion' The other point you asserted that I am not comfortable with is the idea that a married could sneak behind her husband to abort his child without telling him. Such a wife could easily sleep around and be most unfaithful without the husband being none the wiser for it. Is that your idea of marriage? I refer you to the other arguments made by pals such as and I quote" I think most people will agree that human beings should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. Thus, abortion is wrong where the mother willingly had sex, not because of the moral status of the foetus but because of the responsibilities of the mother. Look at it this way, if you voluntarily act in a way that brings about the existence of a person or a foetus, then you have a responsibility to maintain the life of that person or foetus. Therefore, abortion is wrong where the mother had sex of her own free will. Sure a woman has the right to choose whether or not to become pregnant. She makes that choice before engaging in sex. To make that 'choice' after a pregnancy is underway, merely as a matter of birth control, is an immoral act".
Further, from a christian point of view consider this argument and I quote" On the basis of natural law written word of God, human life begins when the woman's egg is fertilised by a male sperm. From that moment a unique life begins, independent of the life of the mother and father. The features that distinguish us from our parents - the colour of our eyes, the shape of our face - are all laid down in the genetic code that comes into existence then. Each new life that begins at this point is not a potential human being but a human being with potential.On this basis I think abortion is an act of murder".To conclude, abortion is murder of a God-given life. The idea that every marriage is an open book and each spouse shares everything with each other in a loving, balanced and mutually rewarding atmosphere is a romanticized version of the true reality of many marriages. The reality of marriage is that many people do things behind their spouses back everyday; whether that is cheating, having an abortion, buying homes in distant locales without the knowledge of the other, having illegitimate children, bring home a STD..etc. What I believe to be the ideal marriage has nothing to do with the reality of marriage for many. Women have abortions behind their husbands back everyday, just as how men get other women pregnant behind their wives back everyday. Also many married couple decide together to have an abortion if a child is coming that they cannot afford financially, or will be severely disabled. I know it is hard to believe, but sometimes couples do have to go down that road. It is not my place to tell someone to keep their child when I am not going to care for it for them. Another thing I see is that many ppl who are anti-abortion never adopt children even if they can financially handle it. Look at all the children who are waiting for loving homes and these die hard religious types who believe every child is a gift never choose to take home one of these precious gifts to treasure. Even the freaking pastors and leaders of various faiths never set the example of adopting. A true anti-abortionists is also actively involved in bettering the lives of those children who are already here on the earth. If what you said is the true state of marriage in Nigeria nowadays, then the marriage institution is in need of serious moral reform. What you are saying in effect is that a man must no jubilate simply because his wife tells him that she is pregnant because he may, in all probability, not be the father. Soddom and Gomorrahcouldn't have been worse. Seriously @ Celestial1, from your revelation men should think seriously b4 they delude themselves on the concept of 'holy matrimony which as you pointed out is simply a mirage, a pie in the sky, call it what you may. I decry this seeming moral decadence of our time. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 27-08-2011 06:05 AM
| Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.
Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn. There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way. My dear gibsonpally, no need to go into the gory details. That is playing on the emotions. Abortion affects women disproportionately Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender. Pregnancy has an enormous effect on the woman involved. A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life. It is a matter of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy. If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality; and if the constraint is imposed on the ground that the foetus has a right to life from the moment of conception, then it is saying that the woman is just a vessel for delivery, a child-making factory not at par with man! At even less than 12 weeks gestation, the fetus is incredibly complex and human. Although not as developed a man, it is clearly different from other types of "tissue". The DNA is clearly, from the moment of conception, completely unique from everyone else on eart You talked about the mother's right? Well, the argument that she has the right to choose what happens to her own body is flawed. You would condenm a woman for smoking but give her medal for abortion? Clearly both affect her body? In abortion, the baby is clearly separate in content and being than the mother. It is only riding with the mother for a few months. As humans, we should protect the helpless, including the unborn individual as it grows. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape Powerful stuff @ gibsonpally | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 27-08-2011 06:03 AM
| Dear Gibson, you are a serious advocate. But look at it this way. Here is the World making a big deal about human rights. Is it simply about men's rights or human rights? If is human rights it includes women! If so, I submit that every human being has the right to own their own body. The argument against abortion seems to deny this basic premise of universal human right for the female gender. The woman has absolute right over her own body, including what grows or exists inside her body and whether to carry it to full gestation or not.
You are right to a limited extent. The woman being a God-made mother means that society has a right to expect her not to kill those children God has given her. If she doesn't want them then it is better not to have unprotected sex or better still abstain from it. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 05:22 AM
| @ jennypriceson, available reseach showed adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, because it remains the woman's choice whether or not to give her child up for adoption. Statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies - less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women. @ Jenny sis, I am impressed. Another point that I wish to contribute to this point is safety of the procedure. Abortion is now a safe medical procedure. The vast majority of women - 88% - who have an abortion do so in their first trimester. Medical abortions have less than 0.5% risk of serious complications and do not affect a woman's health or future ability to become pregnant or give birth. @ jennypriceson, whilst that may be so, medical evidence suggests that abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increases. @ Danpatrick, apart from medical issues involved have considered a pregnancy forced upon a woman? Look at it this way: In the case of rape or incest, forcing a woman made pregnant by this violent act would cause further psychological harm to the victim. Often a woman is too afraid to speak up or is unaware she is pregnant, thus the morning after pill is ineffective in these situations. So abortion is the right course of action. @tarakhanali, I agree that any forced segxwal intercourse is abominable conduct but in the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 05:01 AM
| Hot potato?
Na who fry am?
Hot potato because it cuts across racial, social, marital and religious considerations besides the emotion it throws up for those against and the advocates of women's right. For example, a recent research by the Guttmarcher Institute in the USA found that in the USA alone these ten facts emerged: 1. Unintended pregnancies account for almost half of all pregnancies. 2. Four out of ten unintended pregnancies end in abortion. 3. Out of the total number of pregnancies, 24% end in abortion. 4. For women ages 15-44, two out of every hundred have an abortion. Of these, 48% have had one or more abortions previously. 5. For women choosing abortion, 52% are under 25. Teenagers account for 19%, and women 20-24 account for 33%. 6. Black women are almost four times as likely to have an abortion as white women. For Latino women, the number is 2.5 times. 7. Women who have never been married account for 2/3rds of all abortions. 8. The majority of women who choose abortions have already given birth. Mothers who have had one or more children comprise over 60% of all abortions. 9. Women who have never used any birth control method account for 8% of abortions. 10. For women having abortions, 43% are Protestant and 27% identify as Catholic. @ livingday, Nice research. @ livingday, this statistics is staggering to say the least! One would expect that mothers who have had one or two children would value the joy of a child. Why would she want to terminate a pregnancy? Well, like you said most pregnancies are unplanned. But 60% of all abortions are done by this group is just staggering. That black women are 4 times more likely to have abortion than white women means that child rearing is expensive. In the instant case of this husband and wife, both are financially sound just that the woman is not yet ready for child rearing. Some career and some freedom of choice! Imagine your own wife having the audacity to kill your own child at will! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 04:54 AM
| @ jennypriceson, available reseach showed adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, because it remains the woman's choice whether or not to give her child up for adoption. Statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies - less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women. @ Jenny sis, I am impressed. Another point that I wish to contribute to this point is safety of the procedure. Abortion is now a safe medical procedure. The vast majority of women - 88% - who have an abortion do so in their first trimester. Medical abortions have less than 0.5% risk of serious complications and do not affect a woman's health or future ability to become pregnant or give birth. @ jennypriceson, whilst that may be so, medical evidence suggests that abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increases. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 03:56 AM
| | @ jennypriceson, available reseach showed adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child. | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: Why is Abortion such a hot potato? |
on: 26-08-2011 03:52 AM
| I say the defenceless child has most right follwed by that of the husband and the woman last
@ livingday, this position of yours is typical of man. Consider this contrary view: 1.Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate entity as it cannot exist outside her womb. So, it has no independent existence as a human being to talk about 'rights' @ jennypriceson, Since life begins at conception, abortion is akin to murder as it is the act of taking human life. Abortion is in direct defiance of the commonly accepted idea of the sanctity of human life @ tundamartin, I refer to my comments above about the foetus not being human as it is entirely dependent on the woman's life. However consider this : The concept of personhood is different from the concept of human life. Human life occurs at conception, but fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization are also human lives and those not implanted are routinely thrown away. Is this murder, and if not, then how is abortion murder? @ jennypriceson, those test tube fertilization occurred outside the human body. It's like man trying to play God. The point still remains that no civilized society permits one human to intentionally harm or take the life of another human without punishment, and abortion is no different. Interesting and enlightened exchanges going on here. Congrats! | | | | |
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Forum / Relationships & Romance / Re: My husband likes to dress up in women's clothing... |
on: 21-08-2011 11:44 AM
| he is not a gay, gay dosnt lik women talkles of women cloth, simply ask him some few question about what u saw, trust me he must open to u, if he continues, my dear look for councilor, i rest my case. Goodluckhe is not a gay, gay dosnt lik women talkles of women cloth, simply ask him some few question about what u saw, trust me he must open to u, if he continues, my dear look for councilor, i rest my case. Goodluck
Bros u know too much abt gay,are u sure u are not....I dey suspect u ooo lol He may be bi-segxwal. The taste of the pudding is in the eating. So, next time offer him your nyash and watch the eagerness with which he will mount your backyard. Then you will have your answers in his groaning ecstasy and in real time too . I say no better trap or evidence to catch an erring husband than this. Lol | | | | |
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Forum / Naijapals Base (Metro life) / Re: 20 Killed, 111 Trucks Burnt @ Dangote-Benue Cement Company |
on: 21-08-2011 11:17 AM
| i thought dis was gna be blamed on boko haram, guess i was wrong.
U ARE CREZY wat muslim have to do wit these you fcuking prick u shud learn to read before commenting, did i write anything lyk 'muslims', fcuking retard, if u were molested by ur parents nd got raped in prison u shudnt put d anger on me, put it on ur sister who is in italy following d footsteps of ur mum.......fcuking retard, always read before commenting, honeypotwole bomboclaaat! Jeez! Guy you dey vex oo. Calm down! | | | | |
