Holy SH*T!
A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight?
Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up.
How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation.
Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history?
Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 18-01-2010 01:15 AM (14 years ago)  (f) Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 01:15 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 01:55 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 18-01-2010 02:15 AM (14 years ago) (f) Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. No need to be surprised at Nigerians being able to string together the letters in the alphabet. Try to find out more about us. You will be more pleasantly surprised. Nigerians and the Nigerian government are not responsible for the Internet scams. The USA does not hold itself responsible for the numerous internet scams that occur in the USA. It is only recently that President Obama appointed an Internet Czar in 2009. It is through such co-operation with that Czar that the whole world may get relief from Internet scam that includes children traffickers as well which is rampant in the USA. Anybody that comes to defraud Nigeria and they become defrauded by a Nigerian have themselves to blame. I am not interested in being taken off the terrorist list and I will tell you the reason why. Libya has been on the terror list for many years. They were promised that they will be removed from the terror list if they gave up their weapons of mass destruction, paid the fines levied on them, paid all the legal court rulings. Libya did all that. To date, they are still on the terror list. Being put on the terror list is a way to control a nation. The more you dance to the tune of the nations that put you on that terror list, the more in bondage your nation becomes. There is no incentive to want to come off the terrorist list. There is actually great joy to be among the other 13 nations. If this is how they all got into that list, then we are all comrades. Now feel free to exercise your freedom with the alphabets. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 02:15 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. No need to be surprised at Nigerians being able to string together the letters in the alphabet. Try to find out more about us. You will be more pleasantly surprised. Nigerians and the Nigerian government are not responsible for the Internet scams. The USA does not hold itself responsible for the numerous internet scams that occur in the USA. It is only recently that President Obama appointed an Internet Czar in 2009. It is through such co-operation with that Czar that the whole world may get relief from Internet scam that includes children traffickers as well which is rampant in the USA. Anybody that comes to defraud Nigeria and they become defrauded by a Nigerian have themselves to blame. I am not interested in being taken off the terrorist list and I will tell you the reason why. Libya has been on the terror list for many years. They were promised that they will be removed from the terror list if they gave up their weapons of mass destruction, paid the fines levied on them, paid all the legal court rulings. Libya did all that. To date, they are still on the terror list. Being put on the terror list is a way to control a nation. The more you dance to the tune of the nations that put you on that terror list, the more in bondage your nation becomes. There is no incentive to want to come off the terrorist list. There is actually great joy to be among the other 13 nations. If this is how they all got into that list, then we are all comrades. Now feel free to exercise your freedom with the alphabets. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 02:28 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. No need to be surprised at Nigerians being able to string together the letters in the alphabet. Try to find out more about us. You will be more pleasantly surprised. Nigerians and the Nigerian government are not responsible for the Internet scams. The USA does not hold itself responsible for the numerous internet scams that occur in the USA. It is only recently that President Obama appointed an Internet Czar in 2009. It is through such co-operation with that Czar that the whole world may get relief from Internet scam that includes children traffickers as well which is rampant in the USA. Anybody that comes to defraud Nigeria and they become defrauded by a Nigerian have themselves to blame. I am not interested in being taken off the terrorist list and I will tell you the reason why. Libya has been on the terror list for many years. They were promised that they will be removed from the terror list if they gave up their weapons of mass destruction, paid the fines levied on them, paid all the legal court rulings. Libya did all that. To date, they are still on the terror list. Being put on the terror list is a way to control a nation. The more you dance to the tune of the nations that put you on that terror list, the more in bondage your nation becomes. There is no incentive to want to come off the terrorist list. There is actually great joy to be among the other 13 nations. If this is how they all got into that list, then we are all comrades. Now feel free to exercise your freedom with the alphabets. We agree to disagree. Nigerian government is heavily involved in cracking down on corruptions. A lot of Nigerians that are deported due to crimes they commit in other countries are put in prison in Nigeria when they return for giving Nigeria a bad name internationally. Nigerian citizens refuse to take responsibility for a few actions of a few because many countries that have criminals do not take personal responsibility for criminals that come out of their countries. American citizens should take responsibility for Timothy McVeigh, the five Americans caught in Pakistan trying to join Al Qaeda. The five Americans caught trying to spy on Iran, etc. American citizens should take responsibilities for Madoff, Mark Richie, etc. How come this is not blamed on individual Americans or even the American government? Judgement must be equal. Nigerians cannot be expected to bear unfair burdens while other countries are allowed to go scott free. Nigerians are no longer slaves. The time that Americans came to Nigeria and kidnapped our citizens and used them as slaves is gone. We need to be compensated because America had the audacity to come to Nigeria and steal the best of our best and never compensated the black Americans they used as slaves and never compensated Nigeria for stealing its citizens. Which crime is greater? I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been put on the list. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 03:51 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 18-01-2010 03:54 AM (14 years ago) (m) Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat.
Some of your jives sound to be pretty lousy as you are neither here nor there. and you also consider your spoken english a benchmark standard . You say u are surprised that a Nigerian could string together an intelligable English sentence ?? Are you serious or what ? thats an insult to an average Nigerian Academic and there are millions of them . Where exactly do you hail from if i may ask . You should at least be bold enough to mention that nation u hail from so we can tell you your history of cleanliness . You also expressed your strong opinion for Nigeria as a government being culpable for the crime of the individual citizens , they should pay back all the 419 money defrauded people many of the fraudster not even Nigerians but claiming to be Nigerians? How sick does that sound? I personally lost a lot of money to American - Russian -what have you fraudster in the name of genuine business. If your argument was anything to go by I should be reimbursed by the American or European Government ??? NIce you check it before you blow your trumpet i do not totally disagree with some of the brilliant ideas you had brought forward earlier.
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 18-01-2010 04:03 AM (14 years ago) (m) Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. N.
@RogerM Some of your jives sound to be pretty lousy as you are neither here nor there. and you also consider your spoken english a benchmark standard . You say u are surprised that a Nigerian could string together an intelligable English sentence ?? Are you serious or what ? thats an insult to an average Nigerian Academic and there are millions of them .
Where exactly do you hail from if i may ask . You should at least be bold enough to mention that nation u hail from so we can tell you your history of cleanliness .
You also expressed your strong opinion for Nigeria as a government being culpable for the crime of the individual citizens , they should pay back all the 419 money defrauded people many of the fraudster not even Nigerians but claiming to be Nigerians? How sick does that sound?
I personally lost a lot of money to American - Russian -what have you fraudster in the name of genuine business. If your argument was anything to go by I should be reimbursed by the American or European Government ???
NIce you check it before you blow your trumpet i do not totally disagree with some of the brilliant ideas you had brought forward earlier
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I completely agree that whomever defrauded you should pay you back. I did not mean to say that Americans are not culpable from their acts, and I apologize ofr coming off that way. You mentioned people like Tomothy McVei and Americans being held responsible for such acts. While Timothy McVei is being held responsible for HIS acts, we as American, are doing what we must to prevent such forms of homegrown terrorism from happening again. As for the Americans being held by Iran, there has been so much back and forth rederick that who can tell what is truth and what is a lie? My surprise at a single Nigerian's ability to for intelligable English sentences comes from dealing with Nigeria both on the phone and in print. And it also comes from reading these forums. I am an African American from Kenya and try to come with an open mind. But when I cannot understand a word that is written because those of the African community refuse to speak in any for other than their bastardized, abbreviation, then how can I not be surprised when a Nigerian can speak in English that can be understood by those outside Nigeria? This IS an OPEN forum, is it not? Open to all the world? If it is, then you must expect that others from outside Nigeria to be browsing and finding topics of interest. And, as such, would you not want these contriubutors from outside Nigeria to be able to understand what is being said? As for those claiming to be Nigeria in the 419 scams and not being of Nigerian decent, how can you account for those I, personally, have traced to Lagos multiple times? How did I do this? By their IP address. Lagos EVERY time--and those addresses are logged in the internet fraud database as being known fraudulent Nigerian addresses. As for the money you lost to American and Russian entities: you are fully entitiled to what you lost--just as I am fully entitled to what I lost to what, for all intents and purposes, hs been proven to be a Nigerian. Now, before you go accusing me of blowing my trumpet, I blow it hard and loud for the injustice that I have been dealt for losing what I have worked very hard for. Just as you have worked very hard for what you lost. We are not so different, you and I. All I say is that, even though I am of African decent from Kenya, I have been schooled in proper English and, after thoroughly browsing what I thought to be a great African discussion outlet, I am stunned by the lack of ability to communicate in a meaningful way, using understandable English--especially considering the fact that this forum is also visited by other Africans in other countries. Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat.
Some of your jives sound to be pretty lousy as you are neither here nor there. and you also consider your spoken english a benchmark standard . You say u are surprised that a Nigerian could string together an intelligable English sentence ?? Are you serious or what ? thats an insult to an average Nigerian Academic and there are millions of them . Where exactly do you hail from if i may ask . You should at least be bold enough to mention that nation u hail from so we can tell you your history of cleanliness . You also expressed your strong opinion for Nigeria as a government being culpable for the crime of the individual citizens , they should pay back all the 419 money defrauded people many of the fraudster not even Nigerians but claiming to be Nigerians? How sick does that sound? I personally lost a lot of money to American - Russian -what have you fraudster in the name of genuine business. If your argument was anything to go by I should be reimbursed by the American or European Government  NIce you check it before you blow your trumpet i do not totally disagree with some of the brilliant ideas you had brought forward earlier. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:10 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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I never said Libya's name should not be on the list. Frankly, I feel it should have been on the list years ago. Little more than a terrorist harboring nation in my opinion. Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. No need to be surprised at Nigerians being able to string together the letters in the alphabet. Try to find out more about us. You will be more pleasantly surprised. Nigerians and the Nigerian government are not responsible for the Internet scams. The USA does not hold itself responsible for the numerous internet scams that occur in the USA. It is only recently that President Obama appointed an Internet Czar in 2009. It is through such co-operation with that Czar that the whole world may get relief from Internet scam that includes children traffickers as well which is rampant in the USA. Anybody that comes to defraud Nigeria and they become defrauded by a Nigerian have themselves to blame. I am not interested in being taken off the terrorist list and I will tell you the reason why. Libya has been on the terror list for many years. They were promised that they will be removed from the terror list if they gave up their weapons of mass destruction, paid the fines levied on them, paid all the legal court rulings. Libya did all that. To date, they are still on the terror list. Being put on the terror list is a way to control a nation. The more you dance to the tune of the nations that put you on that terror list, the more in bondage your nation becomes. There is no incentive to want to come off the terrorist list. There is actually great joy to be among the other 13 nations. If this is how they all got into that list, then we are all comrades. Now feel free to exercise your freedom with the alphabets. We agree to disagree. Nigerian government is heavily involved in cracking down on corruptions. A lot of Nigerians that are deported due to crimes they commit in other countries are put in prison in Nigeria when they return for giving Nigeria a bad name internationally. Nigerian citizens refuse to take responsibility for a few actions of a few because many countries that have criminals do not take personal responsibility for criminals that come out of their countries. American citizens should take responsibility for Timothy McVeigh, the five Americans caught in Pakistan trying to join Al Qaeda. The five Americans caught trying to spy on Iran, etc. American citizens should take responsibilities for Madoff, Mark Richie, etc. How come this is not blamed on individual Americans or even the American government? Judgement must be equal. Nigerians cannot be expected to bear unfair burdens while other countries are allowed to go scott free. Nigerians are no longer slaves. The time that Americans came to Nigeria and kidnapped our citizens and used them as slaves is gone. We need to be compensated because America had the audacity to come to Nigeria and steal the best of our best and never compensated the black Americans they used as slaves and never compensated Nigeria for stealing its citizens. Which crime is greater? I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been put on the list. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:14 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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@Roger I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been removed from the list since they have complied with all the USA and international demands? | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:22 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 18-01-2010 04:48 AM (14 years ago) (m) I completely agree that whomever defrauded you should pay you back. I did not mean to say that Americans are not culpable from their acts, and I apologize ofr coming off that way. You mentioned people like Tomothy McVei and Americans being held responsible for such acts. While Timothy McVei is being held responsible for HIS acts, we as American, are doing what we must to prevent such forms of homegrown terrorism from happening again. As for the Americans being held by Iran, there has been so much back and forth rederick that who can tell what is truth and what is a lie? My surprise at a single Nigerian's ability to for intelligable English sentences comes from dealing with Nigeria both on the phone and in print. And it also comes from reading these forums. I am an African American from Kenya and try to come with an open mind. But when I cannot understand a word that is written because those of the African community refuse to speak in any for other than their bastardized, abbreviation, then how can I not be surprised when a Nigerian can speak in English that can be understood by those outside Nigeria? This IS an OPEN forum, is it not? Open to all the world? If it is, then you must expect that others from outside Nigeria to be browsing and finding topics of interest. And, as such, would you not want these contriubutors from outside Nigeria to be able to understand what is being said? As for those claiming to be Nigeria in the 419 scams and not being of Nigerian decent, how can you account for those I, personally, have traced to Lagos multiple times? How did I do this? By their IP address. Lagos EVERY time--and those addresses are logged in the internet fraud database as being known fraudulent Nigerian addresses. As for the money you lost to American and Russian entities: you are fully entitiled to what you lost--just as I am fully entitled to what I lost to what, for all intents and purposes, hs been proven to be a Nigerian. Now, before you go accusing me of blowing my trumpet, I blow it hard and loud for the injustice that I have been dealt for losing what I have worked very hard for. Just as you have worked very hard for what you lost. We are not so different, you and I. All I say is that, even though I am of African decent from Kenya, I have been schooled in proper English and, after thoroughly browsing what I thought to be a great African discussion outlet, I am stunned by the lack of ability to communicate in a meaningful way, using understandable English--especially considering the fact that this forum is also visited by other Africans in other countries.
WELCOME MR OBAMA or his cousin LOL
As you would probably agree with me NO one knows it all in life - there is always a plus element. even for you too at least now you picked up a few other things you probably took for granted earlier .Again everything go by its merit as you rightly pointed out.
As regards forums and your expectations here on a Nigerian based website I do agree with you to a small extent but to a large extent not really. I still believe people can express themselves whichever way they feel like and regardless of their level of education. What really matters is the idea they are conveying. When i read the online newspaper articles and fellow Nigerians comment to the topic i am so amazed at the level of English articulation , thats probably the kind of program someone like you should frequent more . but again - Yes thats looking at it from another angle . or level . Its a good thing that people can adjust to whatever level the game is being presented to me thats Living and in life there are no straight roads. It took me a while to arrive at the conclusion that people should not really apologize for what they are because thats what make them unique in life. You either love them or leave them
A lot of NIgerians overseas participate in this forum because they just want to be part of that broken or pidgin english . - its everybody's english no matter your level of education and trust me . not all of us can afford high international secondary education level .
As for trumpet blowing i do blow it only to myself in terms of what i have learnt. i look within and try to shun the victim consciousness saying someone has done that to me . I try to say why me? what can i learn from this ?
With this 419 ring , i believe it takes two to tango . When some promises sound too good to be true i try to check myself . and as i said to you earlier in another forum i will be the last person to support defrauding someone through 419. I feel those responsible for it should be put in life jail .
Again the Nigerian government is not sleepy on this and the trend has been stemmed if you know what it used to be some 3 yrs back . I personally verified during my last trip home. Security officers parading internet cafes at night looking for those who might be writing 419 letters . Nigeria also combined with the british government to track down these offenders and they are making a great progress.
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:48 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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Such is the bewildering actions of the US gonverment. I agree: since Libya HAS complied with the US's demands, it SHOULD be removed. However, I have a feeling that it has more to do with the ties the coutry has--MAY have, I should say--to events like the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole and other suspected events that the US's CIA and other agencies, which cannot tell their head from their A**. I may be wrong, but, at least, that is how things look on this side of the screen. Just because I am in America and am an American citizen, it does not mean that I agree with all of their policies. Far from it--not getting on THAT soap box. Sufice to say that America can be and has been VERY HYPOCRITICAL in its policy. I also know, being and American Citizen, that things even remotely related to terrorism against us is something that most of the Bible Belt (and the loudest voices in the matter) States is not willing to let go of or forget. Just as the African Americans are not willing to let go the atrocious acts of slavery in the 19th century and incist that present day American somehow OWE them something for it. Just as present day Americans have had nothing to do with slavery for well over 140 years, somehow we of the African community still see it as we must have some sort of reparations. I was not a slave. My father was not a slave--nor was his grandfather. The same goes for the white people of today--they did not own slaves, etc. And it is this lack of logical thinking that seems to guide many in all nations to hold on to the acts of a few and hold an entire country responsible for. I do, however, have a firm belief that when a country's citizen(s) blatantly attack nother country, whether in an act or terrorism or whatever, the country that person came from SHOULD do whatever it can to SHOW the rest of the world, not just the target country, that it is sincere in putting an END to such acts by its citizens. And the responsibility should stop at the individual and ultimately the government once it has been dealt with. And it should be shown to the victim country that the aggressor's country is taking the appropriate steps to make sure this does not happen again. The lack of action on Nigeria's part in past events--such as the 419 scams, etc--are a HUGE part of what has galvanized the rest of the world with the negative view of this country. It is the inaction of the government--unless the consequences would directly hamper its agenda--in past events that makes global opinion so negative. I would LOVE to see Nigeria take its place as a world power. However, I do not see this happening in its current state. Nigerians need to band together collectively and MAKE the corrupt government accountable for its actions AND inactions. Until the Government is made to be held accountable, I do not think the rest of the world will take it seriously. And threats like this to sever ties with America..I have to ask: were there REALLY any ties to speak of? Having dealt with the FBI in my own issues with Nigerian citizens, I would have to say there ARE no ties to speak of. Now, I am willing to admit that this view may be do to my interaction with the Government agency, but, from what I have read in the news and forums, I am inclined to believe what I read in many independant sources from USA today to BBC news to Neue Grazer in Austria. Now, if this view is misguided from these and many other sources, I welcome your counter of sources for me to read. @Roger
I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been removed from the list since they have complied with all the USA and international demands?
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I mistyped on this one. I MEANT to type that Libya should have been taken OFF the list years ago. All thumbs here. I never said Libya's name should not be on the list. Frankly, I feel it should have been on the list years ago. Little more than a terrorist harboring nation in my opinion. Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat. While I agree that the 419 scams and this idiot of a n*gger Mutalleb represent only a msall fraction of Nigeria, the rest--including the government, if you could call it a government--have done nothing to rememdy this poor image of Nigeria. Therefore, since none of the citizens nor the "government" is willing to do anything, then I feel that the addition of Nigeria to the terrorist list is well warranted. Until the Nigerian "government" is willing to work with international governments to rectify the wrongs that is citizens have commited, as well as own up to the wrongs it has commited itself, then Nigeria will be relegated to the status of a 419 NATION. Holy SH*T! A Nigerian who has open eyes and ears! Well spoken, my friend. The US is acting a bit boorishly with regard to the situation, but I do understand why they are acting so quickly and a bit brashly. It is a lot like the September 11 attack that galvanized the nation as one to not only protect itself, but also the other free nations of the world. When something like this bombing attempt comes from a country that is well known for the trouble it has caused and the drain it places on the world system due to corruption of its government as well as its government's complicity in what so many of its citizens do to the rest of the world, one who is of sound mind can understand why such a quick and harsh reaction on the part of the Americans has been done. How would Nigeria respond had the situations been reversed: US bomber tried to do the same thing to a Nigerian bound flight? Nigeria needs to do some serious face saving due to this unfortunate event. The rest of the world sees Nigeria as nothing but a scam that drains the resources of the rest of the world for their own selfish gains and do not care about the consequences for those they harm. Not all Nigerians are scammers or soulless people--far from it. However, the acts and consequences of those Nigerians who are--and the government that is part and partial to this--shows the rest of the world that ALL of Nigeria is this way. Why? Because this is ALL of the contact that the common man has with this country--as well as most other countries. If Nigeria wants to help clean this mess up--not just this one event--and help repair its world image, much must be done by the ordinary citizens to clean this up. How can an ordinary citizen clean up the mess of an image that is Nigeria? First: band together as a unified nation and force the government to stop the corruption rather than acting like a bunch of small, squabbling tribes who cannot tell the difference from a consonant and vowel to a hole in the head. Second: as one people, unified and together, ferret out the scammers who have wronged so many around the world and make them culpable for the acts they have committed: hold them accountable for their actions. Now, this is not just the individual scammer, but the whole of Nigerian government from the lowest of local branches all the way up to the President himself. Third: pay back what has been stolen from around the world. I know this is easier said than done, but an attempt should be made at restitution. Fourth: SHOW the world in a consistent, public manner that Nigeria has turned a corner and is taking the steps to right the wrongs and is willing to be a part of the world and act as a responsible and mature nation. Without taking these steps, how can anyone in Nigeria expect the rest of the world to look past its deceitful history? Nigerian government officials are not handling this delicate issue with the maturity it demands.Of course,it is not on the pages of newspapers that the issue will be ressolved,and government should not ecsalate an already dicey situation.What is needed is high stake behind-the-scene diplomacy,and not this rather bellicose jerky reaction by the Senate.
We cannot change the fact that Umaru Adbul Mutallab is a full-blooded Nigerian,good or bad.We should rather intensify our efforts towards arresting what is really a scary dimension to the internationalisation of terrorism
The mass of jobless youths in Nigerian would rather blow up government establishmnents than maim and kill citizens of western countries,notably USA,who have been very accommodating of us.
But still,our very own Mutallab tried blowing up that plane.Period.
He must have learnt well from the unrepentant tribe of politicians(or looticians) that have hijacked the Nigerian Plane,and are flying it towards a healong collision with sorrow,tears and blood.
The USA and many other nations have corruption. The less corrupt nations are Sweden and New Zealand. The rest of the world including the USA are marked as corrupt. The USA has the yellow caution color while Nigeria has slightly passed yellow caution sign and moving towards light red. The Nigerians that committed 419 committed it with fraudsters from other nations that want to defraud Nigeria. If you receive an email that promises you millions if you send a few hundreds and you agree, you are greedy, stupid, corrupt, etc. Nigeria is not responsible for that type of compensation because these were people that meant to do harm to Nigeria in the first place. Nigeria does not have to do any face saving. 150 million Nigerians did not participate with Farouk Mutallab. The so called fruit of the boom boy was recruited from Britain and trained in Yemen. Because he has a Nigerian dad who actually warned the Americans about an impending attack does not make Nigeria responsible for the act of a few. Other nations have caught Nigerians that have misbehaved and jailed them in their nations, that does not mean that the entire Nation Nigeria is responsible for other people's actions. Many criminals and crimes are in the USA, and I have never heard where the USA has been blamed because of criminals and crimes in their country which is many. Nigerians need to definitely unite in order to make our country better and to improve the lives of Nigerian citizens both in Nigeria and abroad. Being put on the terrorist list is a badge of honour to me. Long Live Nigeria. Long Live 150 million people because we are innocent of the act of terrorism. I will not beg to be removed from that list. I will make friends with the other 13 nations and co-operate with them. North Korea is beginning to sound like a good ally with over 200 million soldiers and they are desperate for my sweet crude oil. America has fallen! God bless Nigeria. God bless Africa. God bless Nigerian leaders. No need to be surprised at Nigerians being able to string together the letters in the alphabet. Try to find out more about us. You will be more pleasantly surprised. Nigerians and the Nigerian government are not responsible for the Internet scams. The USA does not hold itself responsible for the numerous internet scams that occur in the USA. It is only recently that President Obama appointed an Internet Czar in 2009. It is through such co-operation with that Czar that the whole world may get relief from Internet scam that includes children traffickers as well which is rampant in the USA. Anybody that comes to defraud Nigeria and they become defrauded by a Nigerian have themselves to blame. I am not interested in being taken off the terrorist list and I will tell you the reason why. Libya has been on the terror list for many years. They were promised that they will be removed from the terror list if they gave up their weapons of mass destruction, paid the fines levied on them, paid all the legal court rulings. Libya did all that. To date, they are still on the terror list. Being put on the terror list is a way to control a nation. The more you dance to the tune of the nations that put you on that terror list, the more in bondage your nation becomes. There is no incentive to want to come off the terrorist list. There is actually great joy to be among the other 13 nations. If this is how they all got into that list, then we are all comrades. Now feel free to exercise your freedom with the alphabets. We agree to disagree. Nigerian government is heavily involved in cracking down on corruptions. A lot of Nigerians that are deported due to crimes they commit in other countries are put in prison in Nigeria when they return for giving Nigeria a bad name internationally. Nigerian citizens refuse to take responsibility for a few actions of a few because many countries that have criminals do not take personal responsibility for criminals that come out of their countries. American citizens should take responsibility for Timothy McVeigh, the five Americans caught in Pakistan trying to join Al Qaeda. The five Americans caught trying to spy on Iran, etc. American citizens should take responsibilities for Madoff, Mark Richie, etc. How come this is not blamed on individual Americans or even the American government? Judgement must be equal. Nigerians cannot be expected to bear unfair burdens while other countries are allowed to go scott free. Nigerians are no longer slaves. The time that Americans came to Nigeria and kidnapped our citizens and used them as slaves is gone. We need to be compensated because America had the audacity to come to Nigeria and steal the best of our best and never compensated the black Americans they used as slaves and never compensated Nigeria for stealing its citizens. Which crime is greater? I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been put on the list. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:55 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 18-01-2010 04:58 AM (14 years ago) (m) I completely agree that whomever defrauded you should pay you back. I did not mean to say that Americans are not culpable from their acts, and I apologize ofr coming off that way. You mentioned people like Tomothy McVei and Americans being held responsible for such acts. While Timothy McVei is being held responsible for HIS acts, we as American, are doing what we must to prevent such forms of homegrown terrorism from happening again. As for the Americans being held by Iran, there has been so much back and forth rederick that who can tell what is truth and what is a lie? My surprise at a single Nigerian's ability to for intelligable English sentences comes from dealing with Nigeria both on the phone and in print. And it also comes from reading these forums. I am an African American from Kenya and try to come with an open mind. But when I cannot understand a word that is written because those of the African community refuse to speak in any for other than their bastardized, abbreviation, then how can I not be surprised when a Nigerian can speak in English that can be understood by those outside Nigeria? This IS an OPEN forum, is it not? Open to all the world? If it is, then you must expect that others from outside Nigeria to be browsing and finding topics of interest. And, as such, would you not want these contriubutors from outside Nigeria to be able to understand what is being said? As for those claiming to be Nigeria in the 419 scams and not being of Nigerian decent, how can you account for those I, personally, have traced to Lagos multiple times? How did I do this? By their IP address. Lagos EVERY time--and those addresses are logged in the internet fraud database as being known fraudulent Nigerian addresses. As for the money you lost to American and Russian entities: you are fully entitiled to what you lost--just as I am fully entitled to what I lost to what, for all intents and purposes, hs been proven to be a Nigerian. Now, before you go accusing me of blowing my trumpet, I blow it hard and loud for the injustice that I have been dealt for losing what I have worked very hard for. Just as you have worked very hard for what you lost. We are not so different, you and I. All I say is that, even though I am of African decent from Kenya, I have been schooled in proper English and, after thoroughly browsing what I thought to be a great African discussion outlet, I am stunned by the lack of ability to communicate in a meaningful way, using understandable English--especially considering the fact that this forum is also visited by other Africans in other countries. Very eloquent. You are to be commended. I see and understand your point. However, I think we shall agree to disagree on the point of Libya. But, nonetheless, Nigeria, as have all nations of the world, some culpability in all these goings on. While I do not agree with the US's attempt to impose their view of freedom on the rest of the world, I do agree with their decision to add Nigeria to the terrorist watch list. Nigeria has a history of doing nothing to correct the wrongs that come of its own. And therefore, the rest of the world and America must act accordingly to protect itself from what has been shown to me an aggressive and dangerous country of lawlessness. Big words. Surprised you could string together an intelligable English sentence. You are to be commended for such a feat.
@ RogerM WELCOME MR OBAMA or his cousin LOL As you would probably agree with me NO one knows it all in life - there is always a plus element. even for you too at least now you picked up a few other things you probably took for granted earlier .Again everything go by its merit as you rightly pointed out. As regards forums and your expectations here on a Nigerian based website I do agree with you to a small extent but to a large extent not really. I still believe people can express themselves whichever way they feel like and regardless of their level of education. What really matters is the idea they are conveying. When i read the online newspaper articles and fellow Nigerians comment to the topic i am so amazed at the level of English articulation , thats probably the kind of program someone like you should frequent more . but again - Yes thats looking at it from another angle . or level . Its a good thing that people can adjust to whatever level the game is being presented to me thats Living and in life there are no straight roads. It took me a while to arrive at the conclusion that people should not really apologize for what they are because thats what make them unique in life. You either love them or leave them A lot of NIgerians overseas participate in this forum because they just want to be part of that broken or pidgin english . - its everybody's english no matter your level of education and trust me . not all of us can afford high international secondary education level . As for trumpet blowing i do blow it only to myself in terms of what i have learnt. i look within and try to shun the victim consciousness saying someone has done that to me . I try to say why me? what can i learn from this ? With this 419 ring , i believe it takes two to tango . When some promises sound too good to be true i try to check myself . and as i said to you earlier in another forum i will be the last person to support defrauding someone through 419. I feel those responsible for it should be put in life jail . Again the Nigerian government is not sleepy on this and the trend has been stemmed if you know what it used to be some 3 yrs back . I personally verified during my last trip home. Security officers parading internet cafes at night looking for those who might be writing 419 letters . Nigeria also combined with the British government to track down these 410 offenders and they are making a great progress. to the Best of my knowledge Those 419 email Letters only trickle in occasionally these days . There is also a lot of Government initiative on teh Delta Region Kidnapping case . It takes a while to make old friend and i know many westerners would have expected the positive results to come in yesterday but again Nigeria as a nation has a unique complex setup.
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 18-01-2010 04:58 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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Such is the bewildering actions of the US gonverment. I agree: since Libya HAS complied with the US's demands, it SHOULD be removed. However, I have a feeling that it has more to do with the ties the coutry has--MAY have, I should say--to events like the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole and other suspected events that the US's CIA and other agencies, which cannot tell their head from their A**. I may be wrong, but, at least, that is how things look on this side of the screen. Just because I am in America and am an American citizen, it does not mean that I agree with all of their policies. Far from it--not getting on THAT soap box. Sufice to say that America can be and has been VERY HYPOCRITICAL in its policy. I also know, being and American Citizen, that things even remotely related to terrorism against us is something that most of the Bible Belt (and the loudest voices in the matter) States is not willing to let go of or forget. Just as the African Americans are not willing to let go the atrocious acts of slavery in the 19th century and incist that present day American somehow OWE them something for it. Just as present day Americans have had nothing to do with slavery for well over 140 years, somehow we of the African community still see it as we must have some sort of reparations. I was not a slave. My father was not a slave--nor was his grandfather. The same goes for the white people of today--they did not own slaves, etc. And it is this lack of logical thinking that seems to guide many in all nations to hold on to the acts of a few and hold an entire country responsible for. I do, however, have a firm belief that when a country's citizen(s) blatantly attack nother country, whether in an act or terrorism or whatever, the country that person came from SHOULD do whatever it can to SHOW the rest of the world, not just the target country, that it is sincere in putting an END to such acts by its citizens. And the responsibility should stop at the individual and ultimately the government once it has been dealt with. And it should be shown to the victim country that the aggressor's country is taking the appropriate steps to make sure this does not happen again. The lack of action on Nigeria's part in past events--such as the 419 scams, etc--are a HUGE part of what has galvanized the rest of the world with the negative view of this country. It is the inaction of the government--unless the consequences would directly hamper its agenda--in past events that makes global opinion so negative. I would LOVE to see Nigeria take its place as a world power. However, I do not see this happening in its current state. Nigerians need to band together collectively and MAKE the corrupt government accountable for its actions AND inactions. Until the Government is made to be held accountable, I do not think the rest of the world will take it seriously. And threats like this to sever ties with America..I have to ask: were there REALLY any ties to speak of? Having dealt with the FBI in my own issues with Nigerian citizens, I would have to say there ARE no ties to speak of. Now, I am willing to admit that this view may be do to my interaction with the Government agency, but, from what I have read in the news and forums, I am inclined to believe what I read in many independant sources from USA today to BBC news to Neue Grazer in Austria. Now, if this view is misguided from these and many other sources, I welcome your counter of sources for me to read. @Roger
I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been removed from the list since they have complied with all the USA and international demands?
Regardless of whether you have been a slave or have not been a slave does not matter. American blacks built America and they should be compensated for it. It is not in the past. These slaves came from Nigeria and Nigeria must be compensated for the theft and enslavement of its citizens. If Nigerians are taking from Americans, we are taking what is rightfully ours because our brothers and sisters sweated and died for it. America has never apologised for enslaving Nigerians. Jews are still being compensated by Germany for the Holocaust. Africa must be paid for slavery. Black Americans and Blacks living in the Caribbean must be paid for their enslavement otherwise everybody move out of the way because we own America. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 05:00 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 18-01-2010 06:11 AM (14 years ago) (f) Such is the bewildering actions of the US gonverment. I agree: since Libya HAS complied with the US's demands, it SHOULD be removed. However, I have a feeling that it has more to do with the ties the coutry has--MAY have, I should say--to events like the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole and other suspected events that the US's CIA and other agencies, which cannot tell their head from their A**. I may be wrong, but, at least, that is how things look on this side of the screen. Just because I am in America and am an American citizen, it does not mean that I agree with all of their policies. Far from it--not getting on THAT soap box. Sufice to say that America can be and has been VERY HYPOCRITICAL in its policy. I also know, being and American Citizen, that things even remotely related to terrorism against us is something that most of the Bible Belt (and the loudest voices in the matter) States is not willing to let go of or forget. Just as the African Americans are not willing to let go the atrocious acts of slavery in the 19th century and incist that present day American somehow OWE them something for it. Just as present day Americans have had nothing to do with slavery for well over 140 years, somehow we of the African community still see it as we must have some sort of reparations. I was not a slave. My father was not a slave--nor was his grandfather. The same goes for the white people of today--they did not own slaves, etc. And it is this lack of logical thinking that seems to guide many in all nations to hold on to the acts of a few and hold an entire country responsible for. I do, however, have a firm belief that when a country's citizen(s) blatantly attack nother country, whether in an act or terrorism or whatever, the country that person came from SHOULD do whatever it can to SHOW the rest of the world, not just the target country, that it is sincere in putting an END to such acts by its citizens. And the responsibility should stop at the individual and ultimately the government once it has been dealt with. And it should be shown to the victim country that the aggressor's country is taking the appropriate steps to make sure this does not happen again. The lack of action on Nigeria's part in past events--such as the 419 scams, etc--are a HUGE part of what has galvanized the rest of the world with the negative view of this country. It is the inaction of the government--unless the consequences would directly hamper its agenda--in past events that makes global opinion so negative. I would LOVE to see Nigeria take its place as a world power. However, I do not see this happening in its current state. Nigerians need to band together collectively and MAKE the corrupt government accountable for its actions AND inactions. Until the Government is made to be held accountable, I do not think the rest of the world will take it seriously. And threats like this to sever ties with America..I have to ask: were there REALLY any ties to speak of? Having dealt with the FBI in my own issues with Nigerian citizens, I would have to say there ARE no ties to speak of. Now, I am willing to admit that this view may be do to my interaction with the Government agency, but, from what I have read in the news and forums, I am inclined to believe what I read in many independant sources from USA today to BBC news to Neue Grazer in Austria. Now, if this view is misguided from these and many other sources, I welcome your counter of sources for me to read. @Roger
I think you should chime in as to why Libya's name has not been removed from the list since they have complied with all the USA and international demands?
Regardless of whether you have been a slave or have not been a slave does not matter. American blacks built America and they should be compensated for it. It is not in the past. These slaves came from Nigeria and Nigeria must be compensated for the theft and enslavement of its citizens. If Nigerians are taking from Americans, we are taking what is rightfully ours because our brothers and sisters sweated and died for it. America has never apologised for enslaving Nigerians. Jews are still being compensated by Germany for the Holocaust. Africa must be paid for slavery. Black Americans and Blacks living in the Caribbean must be paid for their enslavement otherwise everybody move out of the way because we own America. Nigeria has been waiting for over 140 years to be compensated for slavery. Once we get our compensation, everybody else that is waiting in line for compensation due to 419 fraudsters will get their compensation. American government need to apologise for slavery. You can see that 50 million fruit of the boom bombers is not enough for Nigerians to get their point across. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 06:11 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 18-01-2010 09:51 AM (14 years ago) (m) Such is the bewildering actions of the US gonverment. I agree: since Libya HAS complied with the US's demands, it SHOULD be removed. However, I have a feeling that it has more to do with the ties the coutry has--MAY have, I should say--to events like the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole and other suspected events that the US's CIA and other agencies, which cannot tell their head from their A**. I may be wrong, but, at least, that is how things look on this side of the screen. Just because I am in America and am an American citizen, it does not mean that I agree with all of their policies. Far from it--not getting on THAT soap box. Sufice to say that America can be and has been VERY HYPOCRITICAL in its policy. I also know, being and American Citizen, that things even remotely related to terrorism against us is something that most of the Bible Belt (and the loudest voices in the matter) States is not willing to let go of or forget.
THE REASON WE NIGERIANS WOULD BE HAPPIER TO NOT BE ON THAT LIST AT ALL JUST BECAUSE OF A SINGLE INCIDENT THAT WAS TOTALLY OPPOSED BY THE GENERALITY OF PEACE LOVING NIGERIANS. AMERICAN ACTION WAS TOO SWIFT AND COULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED IF THERE HAS BEEN A SIMILAR ACT(S) BY ANOTHER NIGERIAN TARGETING US INTERESTS AND OR ITS PEOPLE Just as the African Americans are not willing to let go the atrocious acts of slavery in the 19th century and incist that present day American somehow OWE them something for it. Just as present day Americans have had nothing to do with slavery for well over 140 years, somehow we of the African community still see it as we must have some sort of reparations. I was not a slave. My father was not a slave--nor was his grandfather. The same goes for the white people of today--they did not own slaves, etc. And it is this lack of logical thinking that seems to guide many in all nations to hold on to the acts of a few and hold an entire country responsible for. I do, however, have a firm belief that when a country's citizen(s) blatantly attack nother country, whether in an act or terrorism or whatever, the country that person came from SHOULD do whatever it can to SHOW the rest of the world, not just the target country, that it is sincere in putting an END to such acts by its citizens. And the responsibility should stop at the individual and ultimately the government once it has been dealt with. And it should be shown to the victim country that the aggressor's country is taking the appropriate steps to make sure this does not happen again. The lack of action on Nigeria's part in past events--such as the 419 scams, etc--are a HUGE part of what has galvanized the rest of the world with the negative view of this country. It is the inaction of the government--unless the consequences would directly hamper its agenda--in past events that makes global opinion so negative. THE ACTION OF THE GOVT OF NIGERIA WAS ACTUALLY VERY SWIFT FROM WHAT I GATHERED . THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT PLEDGED FULL CO-OPERATION WITH THE AMERICAN GOVT TO INVESTIGATE AND EXPOSE THE TRENDS LEADING TO THE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT . I BELIEVE A LOT MORE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IF THE NIGERIAN PRESIDENT IS NOT CURRENTLY INVALID.THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME PUBLIC APOLOGY TO THE AMERICAN GOVT ON BEHALF OF THE NIGERIAN GOVT . OF COURSE IF THERE WERE SKELETONS HIDDEN IN THE WARDROBE I DO NOT EXPECT THE FATHER OF THE UNFORTUNATE TERROR STOOGE TO HAVE HINTED THE SECURITY AGENTS OF BOTH THE AMERICAN AND NIGERIAN GOVTS OF A POTENTIAL TERROR RISK IN HIS OWN FAMILY [/quote] I would LOVE to see Nigeria take its place as a world power. However, I do not see this happening in its current state. Nigerians need to band together collectively and MAKE the corrupt government accountable for its actions AND inactions. Until the Government is made to be held accountable, I do not think the rest of the world will take it seriously. And threats like this to sever ties with America..I have to ask: were there REALLY any ties to speak of? Having dealt with the FBI in my own issues with Nigerian citizens, I would have to say there ARE no ties to speak of. Now, I am willing to admit that this view may be do to my interaction with the Government agency, but, from what I have read in the news and forums, I am inclined to believe what I read in many independant sources from USA today to BBC news to Neue Grazer in Austria. Now, if this view is misguided from these and many other sources, I welcome your counter of sources for me to read. [/quote] YOUR APPREHENSIONS MAY BE HEALTHY VIS A VIS NIGERIAN-US-RELATIONS AS CONFIRMED BY RECENT DELIBERATIONS BY THE NIGERIAN HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY . THINGS HAVE GONE REALLY SOUTH ESPECIALLY ALONG THE OIL TRADE LINKS BETWEEN BOTH NIGERIA AND THE USA . THIS IS ANOTHER POSSIBLE REASON NIGERIANS FEEL AMERICA IS EAGER - SO EAGER TO PUT NIGERIA ON THE TERROR WATCH LIST TO RIDICULE NIGERIA IF NOT SET THE MOTION FOR FRATRICIDE AND POSSIBLE DISINTEGRATION OF NIGERIA IN PLACE BY CAPITALIZING ON THE PREVALENT LEVEL OF IGNORANCE IN NIGERIA. AMERICANS KNOW FULLY WELL THAT THE CLOSURE OF SO CALLED DIEHARD ISLAMIC SCHOOLS IN THE NORTH (ONE CONDITION TO BE MET TO REMOVE NIGERIA FROM THAT LIST ) WILL ONLY BE VIEWED AS SATANIC BY THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITIES IN THE PREDOMINANTLY NOTHERN SHARIA STATES WITH NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS IN THE NORTH ON THE RECEIVING ENDS AS USUAL .
Nigeria has been waiting for over 140 years to be compensated for slavery. Once we get our compensation, everybody else that is waiting in line for compensation due to 419 fraudsters will get their compensation. American government need to apologise for slavery. You can see that 50 million fruit of the boom bombers is not enough for Nigerians to get their point across. [/quote] I DO NOT SEE NIGERIAN GOVT REPAYING 419 FRAUDSTER AS THE NIGERIAN GOVT DID NOT ARM OR ENCOURAGE 4I9 FRAUDSTER IN ANY WAY JUST AS THE AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN GOVTS ARE UNAWARE OF THE SCAMMING ACTIVITY OF THE VARIOUS CITIZENS OF OF SIMILAR 419 ACTIONS AGAINST OTHER CITIZENS OF THE WORLD . AGAIN THE ACCUSATION IS LOUDER WITH THE COUNTRY WITH GREATER RESOURCE OR PRIVILEGE TO AIR THEIR GRIEVANCES
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 18-01-2010 09:51 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 18-01-2010 08:52 PM (14 years ago) (f) @Spekay - Nigerian government is definitely not responsible for criminal activities that may be perpetrated by Nigerians and non-Nigerians. | Posted: at 18-01-2010 08:52 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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