Banning Islamic Veil (Page 11)

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Posted: at 23-05-2010 11:41 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Even Germany are debating the same as at now to ban veil coverage all over in public places.
So we shall see how it goes soon.

Posted: at 24-05-2010 01:42 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

 Its really very sad that we all cant just respect one another. We all have our separate believes cant we agree to disagree.  Yes Muslims trace their heritage back to Ishmael. Jewish to Abraham and Christians agree these two people exist even in the bible. respect goes along way. Muhammad taught of Allah as the one true God of all, burning all false images,  giving to the poor, and fasting, he acknowledged Jesus as a prophet also(i believe this is a fact) though he felt that the bible was mis-interpreted by Christians etc... Jesus the son of God preached of loving one another, helping the poor, that no image should be put before him etc. its really such a shame whats going on in the world today that people are ready to fight, insult, injure and even kill yet these religions began on values that included love one another, help the poor, etc.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Posted: at 24-05-2010 07:01 AM (13 years ago) | Hero

Bros babyboy33, which Version of the Bible do you have? I suggest you read clearly below with evidence:


(Genesis 15:4): "And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him [Abraham], saying. This [Eliezer of Damascus] shall not be thine heir, but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir." So Ishmael was also heir.

Genesis 16:10: "And the angel of the Lord said unco her [Hagar], I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."

Genesis 17:20: "And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly: twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

Genesis 21:13: "And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed."
Genesis 21:18: "Arise, lift up the lad [Ishmael], and hold him in thine hand, for I will make him a great nation."

Deuteronomy 21:15-17: "If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of the strength; the right of the firstborn is his."

Islam does not deny God's blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but the son of promise is Ishmael from whom later arose Muhammad [PBUH] as the Seal of all Prophets.

I just wish someone will relax here and keep your hatred and prejudices with you, i dont know abt anybody but am a Muslim and am proud to be one.

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Posted: at 24-05-2010 11:53 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

I never denied the Bible, this is one of the wrong ideas most Christians have about Muslims. It is part of a Muslim faith to believe in all God's holy books; the Bible,Psalm of David, Torah of Moses and the Quran of Muhammad peace be upon them all.

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Posted: at 24-05-2010 12:17 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

God knows best, I will say no more on this....

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Posted: at 24-05-2010 01:49 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

@Harunshehu - sincere thanks for having an intelligent discussion about the scriptures with issues concerning Ishmael and Isaac.  You did add on your own that Ishmael was the son of the promise, I will have to disagree because the Holy Scripture did not accord Ishmael as the son of the promise.  Isaac, the son of Sarah was the one called the son of the promise from God.

Romans 9:9:
   9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Genesis 16

   1Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.

   2And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

   3And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

   4And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.

   5And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

   6But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thine hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

   7And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

   8And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

   9And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

   10And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

   11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

   12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Posted: at 24-05-2010 03:12 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@Harunshehu - please see below from the passages in the bible that you brought up where it repeatedly tells you that Isaac was the covenant child and the seed of the promise according to Almighty God.  Ishamel was definitely recognized as Abrams seed, but Isaac was the promised seed.

Genesis 21

   1And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken.

   2For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.

   3And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.

   4And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.

   5And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.

   6And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me.

   7And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.

   8And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.

   9And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.

   10Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

   11And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.

   12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

   13And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

   14And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

God is the one that made this decision on his own, not Abraham, not Sarah, not Haggai.  We have to respect God's decision because He is the one that chose Isaac as the promised seed.

Posted: at 24-05-2010 03:26 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

God knows best and we must all endeavour to acknowledge God's words and not put a spin and add things to God's words.

Posted: at 24-05-2010 03:27 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Abeg weey you eehhh Harunshehu are you cleared on the simple truth???
God bless you too as you follow the right path.
Let me hear you say Amen.

Posted: at 24-05-2010 03:42 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac