Why is Mohammed not mentioned in the Bible? (Page 3)

Re: WHY IS MOHAMMAD NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE?
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My brother, I have come to realize though painfully, that your posts are not meant to educate but to cast aspersions on other people’s religion perhaps to enrage them or to widen the unnecessary gap created amongst the adherents of the major religions. This I think is bad more so when you don’t normally care about other people’s opinions no matter how sound-proof they are.
Honestly I am not aware if there is anywhere in the Bible where Muhammad is mentioned by name. But there are many prophecies about the advent of Muhammad in the Bible. The followings may suffice:
1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.
2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.
3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.
4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.
5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But there are additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad.
MUHAMMAD: The Prophet Like Unto Moses
Long time after Abraham, God's promise to send the long-awaited Messenger was repeated this time in Moses' words.
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses spoke of the prophet to be sent by God who is:
1) From among the Israelite's "brethren", a reference to their Ishmaelite cousins as Ishmael was the other son of Abraham who was explicitly promised to become a "great nation".
2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).
THE AWAITED PROPHET WAS TO COME FROM ARABIA
Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).
Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.
MUHAMMAD'S MIGRATION FROM MECCA TO MEDINA: PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE?
Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God's help) coming from Te'man (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad. Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. That section foretold as well about the battle of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithful miraculously defeated the "mighty" men of Ke'dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned -to Islam.
 THE QUR'AN (KORAN) FORETOLD IN THE BIBLE?
For twenty-three years, God's words (the Qur'an) were truely put into Muhammad's mouth. He was not the "author" of the Qur'an. The Qur'an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel who asked Muhammad to simply repeat the words of the Qur'an as he heard them. These words were then committed to memory and to writing by those who hear them during Muhammad's life time and under his supervision.
Was it a coincidence that the prophet "like unto Moses" from the "brethren" of the Israelites (i.e. from the lshmaelites) was also described as one in whose mouth God will put his words and that he will speak in the name of God, (Deuteronomy 18:18-20). Was it also a coincidence the "Paraclete" that Jesus foretold to come after Him was described as one who "shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak (John 16:13)
Was it another coincidence that Isaiah ties between the messenger connected with Ke'dar and a new song (a scripture in a new language) to be sang unto the Lord (Isaiah 42:10-11). More explicitly, prophesies Isaiah "For with stammering lips, and another tongue, will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). This latter verse correctly describes the "stammering lips" of Prophet Muhammad reflecting the state of tension and concentration he went through at the time of revelation. Another related point is that the Qur'an was revealed in piece-meals over a span of twenty three years. It is interesting to compare this with Isaiah 28:10 which speaks of the same thing.


 THAT PROPHET- PARACLETE- MUHAMMAD
Up to the time of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Israelites were still awaiting for that prophet like unto Moses prophecied in Deuteronomy 18:18. When John the Baptist came, they asked him if he was Christ and he said "no". They asked him if he was Elias and he said "no". Then, in apparent reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, they asked him "Art thou that Prophet" and he answered, "no". (John 1: 1 9-2 1).
In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16) Jesus spoke of the "Paraclete" or comforter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth, (whose meaning resemble Muhammad's famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), he is identified in one verse as the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). Such a designation is however inconsistent with the profile of that Paraclete. In the words of the Dictionary of the Bible, (Ed. J. Mackenzie) "These items, it must be admitted do not give an entirely coherent picture."
Indeed history tells us that many early Christians understood the Paraclete to be a man and not a spirit. This might explain the followings who responded to some who claimed, without meeting the criteria stipulated by Jesus, to be the awaited "Paraciete".
It was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was the Paraclete, Comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus' time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. He told of many things to come which "came to pass" in the minutest detail meeting, the criterion given by Moses to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgement (John 16:8-11)
 WAS THE SHIFT OF RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP PROPHECIED?
Following the rejection of the last Israelite prophet, Jesus, it was about time that God's promise to make Ishmael a great nation be fulfilled (Genesis 21:13, 18)
In Matthew 21:19-21, Jesus spoke of the fruitless fig tree (A Biblical symbol of prophetic heritage) to be cleared after being given a last chance of three years (the duration of Jesus' ministry) to give fruit. In a later verse in the same chapter, Jesus said: "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophecied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" (Matthew 21:44).
 OUT OF CONTEXT COINCIDENCE?
Is it possible that the numerous prophecies cited here are all individually and combined out of context misinterpretations? Is the opposite true, that such infrequently studied verses fit together consistently and clearly point to the advent of the man who changed the course of human history, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Is it reasonable to conclude that all these prophecies, appearing in different books of the Bible and spoken by various prophets at different times were all coincidence? If this is so here is another strange "coincidence"!
One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with "ten thousands of saints" (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka'bah.
Says God as quoted by Moses:
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:19) May the light of truth shine in your heart and mind. May it lead you to peace and certitude in this life and eternal bliss in hereafter.

Posted: at 17-07-2010 11:20 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie

A modified story that turns the truth for a lie indeed! Well, I was not expecting any reasonable response from you in particular because I had  described your mentality at the begining of my earlier posting. If not, what is true and what is lie in the write-up? Are the verses of the Bible quoted non existant or were they quoted out of context? You need to give us your own story that is the truth.
My wrte-up was not meant for people like you but for people who wanted to know other's view point on the issue. If my view point is faulty or a misinterpretation of facts, those who know better should tell us our faults with equal or more proofs. That is what intellectual engagemet is all about. I want also to say that there is a great difference between knowing and believing. Nobody is asking anybody to believe us. But those who dont know our view point are entittled to know. And given that they now know, our objective is achieved. We thought the topic was posted to generate genuine discussion for the purpose of enlightenment and not the otherwise. But  God knows better if the intention is a sinister one. He is the best judge of our intentions.

Posted: at 18-07-2010 11:26 AM (13 years ago) | Newbie

Post it as a new topic in order to recieve a cross section's opinion on the issue pls.

Posted: at 18-07-2010 12:58 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie

Nothing will change even if he quoted hundred verses of Bible to you. You only believe and accept what you want to hear. You are being controlled by the preconceived bias, stereotype, prejudice and hatred. I advise you to change.

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Posted: at 23-07-2010 08:34 PM (13 years ago) | Hero

thats absolutely rubbish , muslims do not manupulates the HOLY QURAAN to suit their purpose , thats fare from the truth , the HOLY QURAAN remain and will remain intact as it was revealed to the HOLY PROPHET may the peace and blessing of ALLAH be upon him, and it will remain so till the day GOD will rise the deads from their graves, as for the question of not finding name name of the HOLY prophet in the bible , that i don,t know much about , but i think you need to read your bible well , if the name of one time civilian president can be founds in the bible , i will wonder why the name of the prophet will not be .
it happen during the 1979 general elections , where one prof , GODSPOWER oyewole pridicted that the next president,s name is in the bible , and SHAGARI  then being one of the leading three contestants then , was a muslim ,of cause and papa awo and dr nnamid azikiwe are christian , it was then we came to knows the christian names of both awo and zik , and after the elections SHAGARI  a muslim won ,
and trust nigeria , they started calling him prophet of doom that is predictions became wrong , and he proof them all wrong too , that shagari,s name was aqtually in the bible , and not only that alone , his mother,s name too was mentioned , he came with a name like samgar which he translated to shagari and that of his mother as amnat  i might not get the spelling correct any way thats very long ago now

Posted: at 23-07-2010 09:53 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

DO U THINK WE MUSLIMS CARE ABOUT WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS? ONCE AGAIN I SAY ITS A POLLUTED, CONTAMINATED NOVEL.... IT IS UNWORTHY OF REFERRENCE. NEXT??

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Posted: at 25-07-2010 01:42 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

Posted: at 25-07-2010 09:02 AM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

you never read your bible well so or not under stand its contents , otherwise you should have found him there

Posted: at 2-08-2010 03:36 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

you never read your bible well so or not under stand its contents , otherwise you should have found him there

Posted: at 2-08-2010 03:37 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

that stupidity and madness in you will not let you see that , if shagari could be found in bible , why not the holy prophet ? donkey head

Posted: at 2-08-2010 03:48 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master