Is it necessary for Muslim to kill?

Date: 30-09-2010 9:26 am (13 years ago) | Author: Ikenna Silver Azoribe
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- at 30-09-2010 09:26 AM (13 years ago)
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now this is a question i am directing without bias or personal hatred. why do the muslim brothers have to kill people to prove a point?
it happens in al queda and even here in the northern part of nigeria. i see that the christains hardly do that.is that the best way to be religious?

Posted: at 30-09-2010 09:26 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
- democrazy at 30-09-2010 11:01 AM (13 years ago)
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Muslims kill people becos their religion is a modification of the Christian religion. Here is a brief look at the christian recent history. Not including all the genecide or ethnic cleansing of the bible............You need patience to read through these acts. Had to summarize them and omit a lot.........Smiley

VICTIMS OF THE FAITH

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church
authorities or were committed in the name of Christian GOD!

Ancient Pagans
* As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict
(315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegean, the
Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, and the Heliopolis.
* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous
as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because
they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian
teachings..."
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand
of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces
with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister
named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
* Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to
Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
* Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes:
between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near
Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
* 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights
of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
* 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland,
where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of
God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every
other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, halfbrother
of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heads of all those (of what sort so
ever they were) which were killed in the day, should be cut off from their bodies...
and should bee laid on the ground by each side of the way", which effort to civilize
the Irish indeed caused "great terror to the people when they saw the heddes of
their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolk, and friends on the ground".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
* First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
* Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23]
* 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively.
[WW25-27]
* Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(number of slain unknown) [WW30]
* After 6/3/98 Antioch (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000
slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's]
tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian
chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
* Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the
Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
* Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
men, women, and children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a
carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after
that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Savior’s tomb, to honor
it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
* The Archbishop of Tire, eyewitness wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the
vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human
bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not
alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions
that roused the horror of all that looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to
gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an
ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within
the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
* Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer
in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million
victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
* Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of
Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
* Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
* Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akron 1291 probably 20 million
victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Heretics and Atheists

* Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six
followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
* Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth
control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in
huge campaigns all over the Roman Empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E.
Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
* Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would
not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass
murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
destroyed all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including
Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends) estimated
between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
* Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
* Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
* After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and
destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
* Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
* Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many
others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today,
yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred
thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the
New World).
* Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was
responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
* John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the
stake in 1415. [li475-522]
* Michael Sattler, leader of a Baptist community, was burned at the stake in
Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other
followers were also executed. [KM]
* University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
* Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven
years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on
2/17/1600.
* Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old Scottish student of Edinburgh
University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.
Witches
* From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand.
* In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several
hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]
* Incomplete list of documented cases:
The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times
Religious Wars
* 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
* 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English
as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
* 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in
(then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops,
"a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broadbrimmed
Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]
* 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
Pious V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
* 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After
murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his
hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then,
deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again
[... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and
carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
* 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000
Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,"
reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the Bosom s of their
lifeless mothers." [SH191]
* 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Jews
* Already in the 4th and 5th centuries Christians burned synagogues. Number of
Jews slain unknown.
* In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on
command of Bishop Innocent of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue
known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrates, on command of
the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
* 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated,
and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
* 1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not
convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
* 1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total.
Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss,
Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz,
Regensburg, Prague and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prague/
Czech) [EJ]
* 1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
* 1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
* 1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
* 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
* 1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
* 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in
Bavarian, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
* 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
burned. [DO41]
* 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient
Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
* 1389 In Prague 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
* 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain,
25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly
colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to
wear.
* 1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]
* 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]
(I feel sick...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of
Auschwitz.
Native Peoples
* Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader)
the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to
propagate Christianity.
* Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the
Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought
to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to
me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolaters" and "slaves, as many as
[the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to
the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love
"openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
* On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
declarations that are required" - the requirement - to claim the ownership for his
Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed
their acceptance (or understanding), the requirement continued:
"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your
country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and
obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals
who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict
him." [SH66]
* Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay
Colony: "justifying the undertakers of the intended Plantation in New England ... to
carry the Gospel into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against
the Kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
* In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported
smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness
and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead
of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
possess." [SH109,238]
* On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a
rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural
resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
* The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish
raids.
* As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be
counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was
very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
* The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take
Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into
hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather
go to hell." [SH70]
* An eyewitness described what happened to his people:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They
built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent
strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior
and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and
they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from
some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for
market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute
beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by
dogs." [SH83]
* The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year
1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the
Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other Caribbean islands, who soon
suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were]
thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less
than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of
people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been
exterminated." [SH75]
* "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and
Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán
[Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
* Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise
sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also
sacked Florida).
* "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the
Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were
dead." [SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.
* Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help,
they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (North
American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and
was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the
pilgrim fathers: "Their Wares are fare less bloody", so that there usually was "no
great slaughter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven years and not kill
seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children.
[SH111]
* In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally
friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being
idle ... did run away unto the Indians," - to live among them (that probably solved
a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he
appointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheals, others
to be staked and some shoot to death'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures
were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who
wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they
were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was
accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English
response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down.
[SH105]
* On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies
were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The
killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own
home country England.
* When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett
Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge
they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because
when Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansett) greeted them the troops
nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And
indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they
would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ...
God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to
Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the
Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
* So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give
us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
* Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no
need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shall save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shall utterly destroy
them..." (Deut 20)
* Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody
sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes
the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents".
[SH114]
Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or Ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt
not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were
ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls
were also ordered to be raped by Moses.
. According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to
kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for
having segxwal relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note:
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years
old may be betrothed through an act of segxwal intercourse," the words of R. Meir.
And sages say, "Three years and one day old.".
* Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had
dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers
Bosom s, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and
Mastives to seize them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near.
[SH107-119]
* The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John
Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives,
specifically 'a young woman or girl and a boy if you think good'." [SH115]
* Other tribes were to follow the same path.
* Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us
cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! And how great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!"
[TA]
* Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties
were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure
upon (sic) the treaty', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the
better Advantage both to surprise them & cut down their Corn'." [SH106]
* In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
men, women and children. [SH107]
* In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second
Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbecue'." [SH115]
* To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in
New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later
about 250 remained alive - destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had
numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95%
destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years
later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had
numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81%
destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living
before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the
smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over
then.
* All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was
before the frontier age actually had begun.
* A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were
destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and
other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad
treatment and slavery.
* In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.
More Glorious Events in U.S. History
* Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the
colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of
dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
* Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in
gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned
down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with
a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot
and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed..." [SH131]
More gory details.
* By the 1860s, "in Hawaii the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage
that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more,
and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian
population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the
amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]
20th Century Church Atrocities

* Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by
no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in
Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under
their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then
pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan
friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews an Muslims)
were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns,
alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of
the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being
estimated between 100,000 and 150,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the
killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce
bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about
them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]

* Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the
French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported
by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured
religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to
huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South.
With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the
Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in
Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic
elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South
as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South
Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given
to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for
the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious
denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
-------- "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and
common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks
were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers -
male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned
themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians
tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime
were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into nononsense
death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror
(1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people
were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were
sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American
GI's lost their life.
* Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college
in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted
by demonic visions and apparitions, and for month’s two Catholic priests - with
explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg - additionally pestered and
tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in
Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of
them fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's
grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful
Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it's extensive
witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become
known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
* Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several
hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and
Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved
in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in
Catholic Church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the
church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Actual, Germany - a station not at all
critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
........... "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest
has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was
minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the
most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia
with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking
shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to
set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a
certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no
church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being
brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
&nbs p; According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and
turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
&nbs p; In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine
nuns are mentioned, both of who have fled into a Belgian monastery in the
meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu
killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her
monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were
murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is
also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In
her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold
blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some
petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
Following the collapse of communist rule Bosnia like the other five federated States
of Yugoslavia declared independence and was given recognition by the UNO.
However, the Christian Serb community occupied the country with the help of
Yugoslavian Serb army and began three years of slaughter.
Some 200,000 Bosnian Muslims were killed, 50,000 Muslim women raped, and over
two million Muslims were forced to flee to the neighboring countries. Muslims sent
to Serbian concentration camps were subjected to torture worse than the world saw
under Nazi Germany. Muslim women and girls as young as 9-years were gang
raped, and people’s throat slashed and left them bleed to death. The main targets
of Serb and Croats butchers were the religious leaders, the university professors,
doctors, and the political leaders. Roughly, the Serbs and Croats destroyed 179
mosques and 46 churches – 156 mosque Imams were murdered.
The UN on its Own Complicity in the Genocide at Srebrenica
The report admits UN complicity in the genocide at the UN "Safe Area" of
Srebrenica in July 1995, during which between 10,000 and 16,000 Bosnian
civilians, unarmed men and boys, were separated out in front of UN troops and led
away for extermination, and many Bosnian women were brutalized and raped. In
the UN Report on Srebrenica, the following conclusion applies to Srebrenica but
also throughout Bosnia from 1992 to 1995.
The tragedy that took place following the fall of Srebrenica is shocking for two
reasons. It is shocking, first and foremost, for the magnitude of the crimes
committed. Not since the horrors of World War II had Europe witnessed massacres
on this scale. The mortal remains of close to 6,500 men and boys have been found
on the surface, in mass gravesites and in secondary burial sites. Several thousand
more men are still missing, and there is every reason to believe that additional
burial sites, many of which have been probed but not exhumed, will reveal the
bodies of thousands more men and boys. The great majority of those who were
killed were not killed in combat: the exhumed bodies of the victims show large
numbers had their hands bound, or were blindfolded, or were shot in the back or
the back of the head. Numerous eyewitness accounts, now well corroborated by
forensic evidence, attest to scenes of mass slaughter of unarmed victims.
The fall of Srebrenica is also shocking because the enclave inhabitants believed
that the authority of the United Nations Security Council, the presence of
UNPROFOR peacekeepers, and the might of NATO air power, would ensure their
safety. Instead, the Serb forces ignored the Security Council, pushed aside the
UNPROFOR troops, and assessed correctly that air power would not be used to stop
them. They overran the safe area of Srebrenica with ease, and then proceeded to
depopulate the territory within 48 hours. Their leaders then engaged in high-level
negotiations with representatives of the international community while their forces
on the ground executed and buried thousands of men and boys within a matter of
days.
Questions must be answered, and foremost among these are the following: how
can this have been allowed to happen? And how will the United Nations ensure that
no future peacekeeping operation witnesses such a calamity on its watch?
More recently the BBC aired:
................ Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
................ BBC NEWS April 19, 1998
&nbs p; A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to
death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and
moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to
account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been
widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994...
* As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to
an end.
If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me sick.

There are proof of all these, I can give you references too. Can you give me proof that christian GOD is good and does not approve of murderers, rapists, evil rituals involving killing and sacrificing of animals?
Posted: at 30-09-2010 11:01 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 30-09-2010 12:54 PM (13 years ago)
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It is not allowed in Islam to kill innocent people, for hatred, economic, political, ethnic or any other selfish reason. Yet, there are many complaints of how Alqaeda and others are killing (innocent civilians). When judging, we have to be just and fair. Long before the invasion of Iraq, there was no secterian violence/hatred, no insurgency, no roadside bombings, no suicide bombing of whatever type. Now, it is very rampang everywhere and everytime. Why? Why during the reign of Saddam Hussein, Iraq was more stable, more peaceful and more calm than now? Saddam Hussein was hanged for killing 43 of his countrymen. Now, under the leadership of foregin forces, over one million people have lost their lives. This clearly indicates that Saddam Hussein's regime is much better than the foreign invaders. The same is happening in Afghanistan. Why? I leave this for you to find out if you have interest. (but remember that media is the only war propaganda machine that the west is using).


Posted: at 30-09-2010 12:54 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- cadanre at 30-09-2010 05:11 PM (13 years ago)
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I have a lot to tell/show you but I will wait till I see your interest.

But before then, christians committed the crimes that no group have ever committed. History will never forget/forgive them.

Now try to answer these questions for me:

Who are crusaders that killed millions of people in the middle east in the name of Christianity?


Who is ADOLF HITLER?  Is he a Christian or a Muslim? Single out a person throughout the history of human existence who committed the type of atrocities which Adolf Hitler committed.

Who are Lord Resistance Armies that have been fighting between Uganda, Sudan boarders; killing innocent civilians, women and children; who rape married and unmarried women at random?

What had happened between Roman Catholic and Protestants in the Island? Do you know about these?

Posted: at 30-09-2010 05:11 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- chik001 at 1-10-2010 05:44 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 30-09-2010 11:01 AM
Muslims kill people becos their religion is a modification of the Christian religion. Here is a brief look at the christian recent history. Not including all the genecide or ethnic cleansing of the bible............You need patience to read through these acts. Had to summarize them and omit a lot.........Smiley

VICTIMS OF THE FAITH

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church
authorities or were committed in the name of Christian GOD!

Ancient Pagans
* As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict
(315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegean, the
Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, and the Heliopolis.
* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous
as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because
they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian
teachings..."
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand
of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces
with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister
named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
* Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to
Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
* Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes:
between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near
Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
* 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights
of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
* 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland,
where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of
God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every
other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, halfbrother
of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heads of all those (of what sort so
ever they were) which were killed in the day, should be cut off from their bodies...
and should bee laid on the ground by each side of the way", which effort to civilize
the Irish indeed caused "great terror to the people when they saw the heddes of
their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolk, and friends on the ground".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
* First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
* Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23]
* 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively.
[WW25-27]
* Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(number of slain unknown) [WW30]
* After 6/3/98 Antioch (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000
slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's]
tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian
chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
* Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the
Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
* Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
men, women, and children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a
carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after
that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Savior’s tomb, to honor
it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
* The Archbishop of Tire, eyewitness wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the
vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human
bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not
alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions
that roused the horror of all that looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to
gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an
ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within
the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
* Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer
in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million
victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
* Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of
Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
* Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
* Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akron 1291 probably 20 million
victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Heretics and Atheists

* Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six
followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
* Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth
control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in
huge campaigns all over the Roman Empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E.
Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
* Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would
not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass
murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
destroyed all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including
Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends) estimated
between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
* Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
* Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
* After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and
destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
* Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
* Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many
others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today,
yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred
thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the
New World).
* Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was
responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
* John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the
stake in 1415. [li475-522]
* Michael Sattler, leader of a Baptist community, was burned at the stake in
Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other
followers were also executed. [KM]
* University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
* Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven
years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on
2/17/1600.
* Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old Scottish student of Edinburgh
University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.
Witches
* From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand.
* In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several
hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]
* Incomplete list of documented cases:
The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times
Religious Wars
* 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
* 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English
as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
* 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in
(then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops,
"a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broadbrimmed
Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]
* 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
Pious V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
* 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After
murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his
hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then,
deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again
[... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and
carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
* 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000
Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,"
reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still *****ing the Bosom s of their
lifeless mothers." [SH191]
* 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Jews
* Already in the 4th and 5th centuries Christians burned synagogues. Number of
Jews slain unknown.
* In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on
command of Bishop Innocent of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue
known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrates, on command of
the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
* 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated,
and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
* 1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not
convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
* 1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total.
Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss,
Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz,
Regensburg, Prague and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prague/
Czech) [EJ]
* 1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
* 1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
* 1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
* 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
* 1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
* 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in
Bavarian, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
* 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
burned. [DO41]
* 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient
Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
* 1389 In Prague 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
* 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain,
25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly
colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to
wear.
* 1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]
* 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]
(I feel sick...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of
Auschwitz.
Native Peoples
* Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader)
the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to
propagate Christianity.
* Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the
Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought
to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to
me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolaters" and "slaves, as many as
[the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to
the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love
"openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
* On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
declarations that are required" - the requirement - to claim the ownership for his
Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed
their acceptance (or understanding), the requirement continued:
"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your
country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and
obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals
who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict
him." [SH66]
* Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay
Colony: "justifying the undertakers of the intended Plantation in New England ... to
carry the Gospel into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against
the Kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
* In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported
smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness
and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead
of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
possess." [SH109,238]
* On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a
rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural
resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
* The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish
raids.
* As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be
counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was
very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
* The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take
Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into
hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather
go to hell." [SH70]
* An eyewitness described what happened to his people:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They
built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent
strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior
and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and
they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from
some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for
market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute
beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by
dogs." [SH83]
* The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year
1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the
Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other Caribbean islands, who soon
suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were]
thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less
than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of
people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been
exterminated." [SH75]
* "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and
Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán
[Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
* Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise
sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also
sacked Florida).
* "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the
Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were
dead." [SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.
* Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help,
they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (North
American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and
was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the
pilgrim fathers: "Their Wares are fare less bloody", so that there usually was "no
great slaughter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven years and not kill
seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children.
[SH111]
* In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally
friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being
idle ... did run away unto the Indians," - to live among them (that probably solved
a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he
appointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheals, others
to be staked and some shoot to death'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures
were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who
wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they
were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was
accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English
response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down.
[SH105]
* On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies
were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The
killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own
home country England.
* When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett
Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge
they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because
when Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansett) greeted them the troops
nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And
indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they
would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ...
God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to
Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the
Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
* So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give
us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
* Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no
need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shall save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shall utterly destroy
them..." (Deut 20)
* Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody
sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes
the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents".
[SH114]
Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or Ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt
not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were
ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls
were also ordered to be raped by Moses.
. According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to
kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for
having segxwal relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note:
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years
old may be betrothed through an act of segxwal intercourse," the words of R. Meir.
And sages say, "Three years and one day old.".
* Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had
dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers
Bosom s, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and
Mastives to seize them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near.
[SH107-119]
* The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John
Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives,
specifically 'a young woman or girl and a boy if you think good'." [SH115]
* Other tribes were to follow the same path.
* Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us
cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! And how great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!"
[TA]
* Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties
were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure
upon (sic) the treaty', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the
better Advantage both to surprise them & cut down their Corn'." [SH106]
* In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
men, women and children. [SH107]
* In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second
Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbecue'." [SH115]
* To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in
New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later
about 250 remained alive - destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had
numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95%
destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years
later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had
numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81%
destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living
before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the
smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over
then.
* All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was
before the frontier age actually had begun.
* A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were
destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and
other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad
treatment and slavery.
* In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.
More Glorious Events in U.S. History
* Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the
colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of
dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
* Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in
gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned
down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with
a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot
and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed..." [SH131]
More gory details.
* By the 1860s, "in Hawaii the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage
that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more,
and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian
population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the
amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]
20th Century Church Atrocities

* Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by
no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in
Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under
their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then
pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan
friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews an Muslims)
were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns,
alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of
the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being
estimated between 100,000 and 150,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the
killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce
bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about
them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]

* Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the
French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported
by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured
religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to
huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South.
With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the
Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in
Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic
elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South
as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South
Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given
to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for
the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious
denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
-------- "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and
common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks
were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers -
male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned
themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians
tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime
were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into nononsense
death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror
(1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people
were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were
sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American
GI's lost their life.
* Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college
in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted
by demonic visions and apparitions, and for month’s two Catholic priests - with
explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg - additionally pestered and
tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in
Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of
them fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's
grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful
Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it's extensive
witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become
known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
* Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several
hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and
Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved
in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in
Catholic Church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the
church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Actual, Germany - a station not at all
critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
........... "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest
has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was
minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the
most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia
with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking
shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to
set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a
certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no
church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being
brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
&nbs p; According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and
turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
&nbs p; In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine
nuns are mentioned, both of who have fled into a Belgian monastery in the
meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu
killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her
monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were
murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is
also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In
her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold
blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some
petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
Following the collapse of communist rule Bosnia like the other five federated States
of Yugoslavia declared independence and was given recognition by the UNO.
However, the Christian Serb community occupied the country with the help of
Yugoslavian Serb army and began three years of slaughter.
Some 200,000 Bosnian Muslims were killed, 50,000 Muslim women raped, and over
two million Muslims were forced to flee to the neighboring countries. Muslims sent
to Serbian concentration camps were subjected to torture worse than the world saw
under Nazi Germany. Muslim women and girls as young as 9-years were gang
raped, and people’s throat slashed and left them bleed to death. The main targets
of Serb and Croats butchers were the religious leaders, the university professors,
doctors, and the political leaders. Roughly, the Serbs and Croats destroyed 179
mosques and 46 churches – 156 mosque Imams were murdered.
The UN on its Own Complicity in the Genocide at Srebrenica
The report admits UN complicity in the genocide at the UN "Safe Area" of
Srebrenica in July 1995, during which between 10,000 and 16,000 Bosnian
civilians, unarmed men and boys, were separated out in front of UN troops and led
away for extermination, and many Bosnian women were brutalized and raped. In
the UN Report on Srebrenica, the following conclusion applies to Srebrenica but
also throughout Bosnia from 1992 to 1995.
The tragedy that took place following the fall of Srebrenica is shocking for two
reasons. It is shocking, first and foremost, for the magnitude of the crimes
committed. Not since the horrors of World War II had Europe witnessed massacres
on this scale. The mortal remains of close to 6,500 men and boys have been found
on the surface, in mass gravesites and in secondary burial sites. Several thousand
more men are still missing, and there is every reason to believe that additional
burial sites, many of which have been probed but not exhumed, will reveal the
bodies of thousands more men and boys. The great majority of those who were
killed were not killed in combat: the exhumed bodies of the victims show large
numbers had their hands bound, or were blindfolded, or were shot in the back or
the back of the head. Numerous eyewitness accounts, now well corroborated by
forensic evidence, attest to scenes of mass slaughter of unarmed victims.
The fall of Srebrenica is also shocking because the enclave inhabitants believed
that the authority of the United Nations Security Council, the presence of
UNPROFOR peacekeepers, and the might of NATO air power, would ensure their
safety. Instead, the Serb forces ignored the Security Council, pushed aside the
UNPROFOR troops, and assessed correctly that air power would not be used to stop
them. They overran the safe area of Srebrenica with ease, and then proceeded to
depopulate the territory within 48 hours. Their leaders then engaged in high-level
negotiations with representatives of the international community while their forces
on the ground executed and buried thousands of men and boys within a matter of
days.
Questions must be answered, and foremost among these are the following: how
can this have been allowed to happen? And how will the United Nations ensure that
no future peacekeeping operation witnesses such a calamity on its watch?
More recently the BBC aired:
................ Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
................ BBC NEWS April 19, 1998
&nbs p; A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to
death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and
moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to
account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been
widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994...
* As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to
an end.
If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me sick.

There are proof of all these, I can give you references too. Can you give me proof that christian GOD is good and does not approve of murderers, rapists, evil rituals involving killing and sacrificing of animals?

Why are all your quotations from the old testament. You are still backward, Nna...na wa for you o...Come over to the new Testament and proof whatever, unless you want to deal with the Muslims, Their faith is based on the Old Testament.
All you are saying is about people killing people. If a misguided person begin killing another in the name of religion, does that mean killing is part of that religion? A true Christian morality is based in the Bible, especially in the new testament age.
You don't generalise an inappropriate act. Yes Christianity, like very other thing under the sun went through turbulent times. I told you somewhere on this site that, You want things to be the way you want, no bro...you are not the creator by part of the creation. Equation must be balanced, and God tips that balance. However HE tends to do it, that's his business. Even if it means to delete you! Grin
You guys don't seem to get it. But you will!!
Posted: at 1-10-2010 05:44 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 1-10-2010 10:46 AM (13 years ago)
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@chik001........You are undergoing self denial. Do you know there is an illness called learned helplessness? A lot of africans have this illness but are not aware. We are approaching the fifth age. the fourth age of pieces the fish is ending. An age of openess, knowledge, awareness, truth, we are in now. What you take with you to the fifth age can determine your experience. I tell you this, the ultimate tyrany the christian embedded zionist, evil doers want to show you Jesus Christ coming from the sky. That will be their excuse to rain destruction on earth and kill billions of people.

BUT GUESS WHAT!!!................

You will have your arms folded as a good christian, GOD dummy slave. You will do nothing. You will watch your brothers and sisters get killed and will think God is sparing your life. By the time you realise, I hope there will be ..........................
Posted: at 1-10-2010 10:46 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 1-10-2010 03:48 PM (13 years ago)
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@ chik00000000000000000000000000000000000000001

HA! HA!! HA!!!

NEW TESTAMENT! Are you telling me that you people already do away with old testament, which means it is no longer part of you? No wonder. Even a newer and fresher testament is coming soon, for I heard that there are newly discovered scrolls.

Posted: at 1-10-2010 03:48 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- chik001 at 2-10-2010 02:27 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on  1-10-2010 10:46 AM
@chik001........You are undergoing self denial. Do you know there is an illness called learned helplessness? A lot of africans have this illness but are not aware. We are approaching the fifth age. the fourth age of pieces the fish is ending. An age of openess, knowledge, awareness, truth, we are in now. What you take with you to the fifth age can determine your experience. I tell you this, the ultimate tyrany the christian embedded zionist, evil doers want to show you Jesus Christ coming from the sky. That will be their excuse to rain destruction on earth and kill billions of people.

BUT GUESS WHAT!!!................

You will have your arms folded as a good christian, GOD dummy slave. You will do nothing. You will watch your brothers and sisters get killed and will think God is sparing your life. By the time you realise, I hope there will be ..........................

@DEMO
You will make a very good conspiracy theorist...
For your information, you are look at us from afar, come in from the cold bro... True Christianity  has already shown us this knowledge, awareness and truth you are still looking for, I rather be referred to as God dummy Slave than to be know as scientist, Egyptology and archaeologist slave; because what they are saying and trying to proof is what has been!
True Christianity is greater and had exposed that you think you are exposing. As I said earlier, you are looking from afar...don't be like the FAR-THEY-SEE and SAD-THEY SEE.
Posted: at 2-10-2010 02:27 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chik001 at 2-10-2010 02:33 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on  1-10-2010 03:48 PM
@ chik00000000000000000000000000000000000000001

HA! HA!! HA!!!

NEW TESTAMENT! Are you telling me that you people already do away with old testament, which means it is no longer part of you? No wonder. Even a newer and fresher testament is coming soon, for I heard that there are newly discovered scrolls.

I know you and your FAR-YOU-SEE and SAD-YOU-SEE are waiting like a pack of hyaena to pounce!
The old testament was fulfilled when Jesus Christ announced his mission. So we are living the new testament. The old testament is used for emphasis, that does not make it irrelevant.
Posted: at 2-10-2010 02:33 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 2-10-2010 06:31 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on  2-10-2010 02:33 AM
Quote from: cadanre on  1-10-2010 03:48 PM
@ chik00000000000000000000000000000000000000001

HA! HA!! HA!!!

NEW TESTAMENT! Are you telling me that you people already do away with old testament, which means it is no longer part of you? No wonder. Even a newer and fresher testament is coming soon, for I heard that there are newly discovered scrolls.

I know you and your FAR-YOU-SEE and SAD-YOU-SEE are waiting like a pack of hyaena to pounce!
The old testament was fulfilled when Jesus Christ announced his mission. So we are living the new testament. The old testament is used for emphasis, that does not make it irrelevant.

And soon you will dump this new testament for more newer testament. HOLY-BOOK-UP-DATE.....................

Posted: at 2-10-2010 06:31 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- chik001 at 3-10-2010 01:01 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on  2-10-2010 06:31 PM
Quote from: chik001 on  2-10-2010 02:33 AM
Quote from: cadanre on  1-10-2010 03:48 PM
@ chik00000000000000000000000000000000000000001

HA! HA!! HA!!!

NEW TESTAMENT! Are you telling me that you people already do away with old testament, which means it is no longer part of you? No wonder. Even a newer and fresher testament is coming soon, for I heard that there are newly discovered scrolls.

I know you and your FAR-YOU-SEE and SAD-YOU-SEE are waiting like a pack of hyaena to pounce!
The old testament was fulfilled when Jesus Christ announced his mission. So we are living the new testament. The old testament is used for emphasis, that does not make it irrelevant.

And soon you will dump this new testament for more newer testament. HOLY-BOOK-UP-DATE.....................

I tried reading the Koran but couldnt, because it's written in arabic. Am wondering if you have any written in English, Igbo, Yoruba. I know you have Housa version...oops! sorry, I mean translation...
Posted: at 3-10-2010 01:01 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 3-10-2010 07:38 PM (13 years ago)
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Keep on confusing and deceiving yourself. That has nothing to do with me, version, translation or what have you. There is no part of Qur'an we think, because of civilisation and selfish interest, is out dated. Qur'an is Qur'an and NO PART OF IT WILL NEVER BE DISCARDED AS YOU DO TO BIBLE.

THE HOLY BIBLE IS NO LONGER IN USE, YOU PEOPLE ARE NOW USING ONLY THE BIBLE.

Posted: at 3-10-2010 07:38 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- cadanre at 3-10-2010 07:42 PM (13 years ago)
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You are being remote controlled just like a TV set of a DVD.

Posted: at 3-10-2010 07:42 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- chik001 at 3-10-2010 08:18 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on  3-10-2010 07:42 PM
You are being remote controlled just like a TV set of a DVD.

And you are being lead like a ram to the slaughter house.
Posted: at 3-10-2010 08:18 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- abduuul at 4-10-2010 02:45 PM (13 years ago)
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In Islam, the word "Version of the Quran" does not exist. What we have only is  the translation From Arabic to Other languages for those that did not understand Arabic language. The meaning in all translations Remains the same.

@ cadanre: Nice Job, Be telling them the truth, Your reward is with the Almighty Allah.
Posted: at 4-10-2010 02:45 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- democrazy at 4-10-2010 04:12 PM (13 years ago)
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can anyone explain to me why there are different translations of the quran?
Also, what is the major difference in the shia and sunni islamic believes. in completeness can you explain why some do not accept some hadiths as being true.
Posted: at 4-10-2010 04:12 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- laubare at 20-10-2010 02:37 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: captainsilver on 30-09-2010 09:26 AM
now this is a question i am directing without bias or personal hatred. why do the muslim brothers have to kill people to prove a point?
it happens in al queda and even here in the northern part of nigeria. i see that the christains hardly do that.is that the best way to be religious?
I can see from what you have written it is apparent that you can never see the killings in Rwanda by Christians aided by the priest nor will you know when a fanatic wanted to blow up an aircraft in Abuja. Not even the bombing at Abuja or Niger Delta by MEND is seen as killing of human beings. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is not the killing of Muslims. Go to Jos,Kuru Jenta in particular and see if it is Muslims that are did the killing. You were being brainwash by the western media to believe that only Muslim are terrorist  even when they are fighting for their freedom.
Posted: at 20-10-2010 02:37 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- onyiln at 20-10-2010 02:46 PM (13 years ago)
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well muslims answer ur question, cos its 2 long 2 read ok
Posted: at 20-10-2010 02:46 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- omatu at 20-10-2010 05:06 PM (13 years ago)
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I stand up for Jesus Christ.
Posted: at 20-10-2010 05:06 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chogzie at 21-10-2010 08:49 AM (13 years ago)
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who go read this kin long thing
Posted: at 21-10-2010 08:49 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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