Surprised! You never brought any concrete evidence to counter any of my points but just mere statements and you still ask me for proof? Haba!

@Cammywhite when we stop twisting arguments just to serve our purpose(s),then our grasp of the subject of discuss would not be biased and our imputs would as well be objective.You did imply in one of your posts that there are fakes in every religion and if you know so,it follows that those who killed were not christians but claim to be.Christians actually are dead to the flesh;this means they are not moved by the mundane things of the world system just like Christ.They live Christlike and Jesus never killed when he was here or fought any war.Most people claim christianity while they are not.I have said that the church buildings,wearing of cassocks,or colar or robes is not a qualification to being a christian or pastor.Let us get this things straight. 

You know this is not a reasonable statement to make. Why do I say it is not reasonable. Because to reason is the process of using your mind to consider something carefully. You said Christians do not kill!! Is this really truly a reasonable statement with all that you know. Or can I also say Muslims do not kill?
Secondly, to challenge me to show you something you know is true but will deny is not reasonable. The world holds adolf Hitler to war crimes, not because he personally killed the jews, but it was done under his orders. All the christian killings were done under GOD' a good example I always give is the PREMEDITATED MURDER of the Amalekites

1 Samuel 15 "Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’"

Is this a different GOD from the christian GOD? or are you saying revenge killing is not premeditated murder when innocent babies are killed?



Sometimes in your haste to prove your point,you end up muddling issues rather than present and situate them in their right perspectives.Worst still,your resort to attacking my person rather than my position smacks of a feeling of defeatism and lack of self control.Now back to the issues highlighted above,I have already made the issue clear in my earlier post and for the purpose of emphasis,I will repeat myself.Christianity is not about a nation,people,race or colour.Isreal as a nation in the period under review was not and would be wrongly addressed as a christian nation by anyone who percieves it so.The simple reason being that the world never witnessed christianity until the resurrection of Christ from death.In essence,the Isrealites when they fought or rather killed the Amalekites were not christians.

The second question as to whether the God of the Isrealites at the time the Amalekites were destroyed is different from the christian God,the answer is NO He is the same God.However,something brought about the situation then.God searched through the earth and found that only Abram was upright and thereafter called him to serve Him (God).Due to Abram's submission to God,God entered into a covenant with him and this was how Isreal became God's chosen people then.Whatever transpired between God,Isrealites and their neighbours then stemmed from this bacground.However,Isrealites ceased to be special to God immediately Jesus resuurected from death.Christ brought grace to the world such that there is no longer the circumcised and the uncircumcised,the Jew and the Gentiles as all are one before God in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus).

A christian cannot kill because killing is a sin and a christian cannot sin (1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You always talk about rationality without being rational in your arguments.Individually,we do not have the same mental strength such that the quantity of alcohol that would make another drunk may not be same that I need to be drunk also.Again,how rational is this statement:but as a rational human being, can you honestly tell you believe a matured/grown man can sleep with his tow daughters (to the extent of getting them pregnant) without having preempted the act? My question is,scientifically or biologically,how many times should a man mate a woman before she gets pregnant?

Furthemore,Lot never walked in the fear of the Lord as he was not only greedy but also contentious (Genesis 13:8-12);read up if you care.In your desperation to ridicule christianity,you failed to draw a line between when the time of Lot and when the law was given to Isrealites.You also failed to reason out that even your secular laws accepts drunkeness as a defence in some cases.Lot was not a christian remember.

A christian cannot indulge in drunkeness because it is not his new nature in Christ,therefore,he cannot rely on it as a defence.Need I say more?

There is a misunderstanding here.Some christians may not have exhibited traits of true christianity but this does not imply that christianity is fake.Even in religious circles,their followership still do not adhere to the tenents of their religion and one cannot for this singular reason tag them fake.

So what proof do you need then?

FOOL where was Lot when he committed incest and what circumstance(s) led to the commission of the act,you did not state just to deride the word of God.Put it striaght and then I will answer you INTELLIGENT OR SHOULD I EDUCATED FOOL.

Very obvious you are not ready to learn and the little you know is not intended to benefit people in your sphere of contact but merely to either disparage others or just malign their character.In your intelligence,you forgot that the issue is not the religion of the Jewish people but their history as it concerned the birth of Christ and whether it is not in their history that Jeus was born at a time there,lived and did many of the wonderous works that you tried to counter in your previous posts and you are here ranting again and blabbing gibberish.

I have responded to the issue of who chistians trully are.It's not a nation or a people who so claim but a nation,people or individual that love God,accepted Christ as the their Lord and Saviour and live according to the word of God.

@hosbert
I want you to get something straight as this thread is very different from yours. The main aim of this thread is not to argue wether God exists or not. The aim is to fight the killing and oppression of people by christianity by showing them the true face and reality of the christian religion. I will not have bothered calling someone's belief fake, it is mainly because of the artrocities they have comitted, continue to comit, and the mental state of the people around me that is so so low in spirit and are joining to pray for dooms day when Jesus will come to sought the christians from the non-believers. This is my future, past, and present, so I am not a joker!!!

I think am misconstrued here because my post was a mere contribution to a position presented in the course of discussing your thread which tend to place God and His action side by side such tissue of lies like the big bang theory.First,you cannot proof that there was actually a bang and if there was,what sparked off the bang and what actually were the components or materials and how did there came about? Endless questions if I want to continue.
Point of correction:
Christians do not kill and I challenge you to produce evidence to counter my position.When the Isrealites killed and plundered their neighbours,they were not christians and still are not christians.The erroneous impression here is that Isreal nation is a christian nation but this not true.Every government and nation pursues a particular economic,political and foreign policies and these must not be seen as a christian agenda.Jesus made this abundantly clear in Matthew 12:50
For whoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Also in John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
This is where most people misunderstand christianity.Christianity is a relationship,fellowship,communion,companionship,an intermingling together with God.

So to be reasonable people, we discuss each item of creation, and argue out facts, moving away from the book reference.
I know you would say you can't move away from the book as it is the bible and written by GOD. But as previously said, the Muslims also say the Quran was dictated directly by GOD. They have no "son of GOD". Do they not fight christians as having opposite believes? do you see the continuing danger in such believes that cannot be substanciated, yet claims supremacy or supernatural knowledge?



Here you ask me to move away from the bible to proof my claims but you are also making reference to other books written by men.So why do have problem with my referenc to the bible? I have chosen it because it the Truth but man have manipulated its content to their advantage,misconstrued and misinterpreted to either disapprove the existence of God who inspired the writers (All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (II Tim. 3:16,17) ) and/or prevent people from believing in God.If christians take up arms to fight,my brother you and I know what would have been the result.Christ did not fight when He was here and as his followers,we cannot fight as God fights for us.A nation is not a christian but the individuals therein who have accepted Christ and live according to the word of God.

Most importantly,the bible is not mere words but the life and spirit of God (John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life).When you accept and believe these words,it will make you what it talk about,just dare to believe and live by the word.Christianity is not the church members and by mere saying am a christian but having a genuine relationship with God.

Wahala dey o

You that have consistently made references to the history of science,now that the same history borders on christianity,it is mythology right? We are very funny.

If I give you video clips of people whose wombs were removed completely with medical evidence from reknown medical specialists and institution,the testimonies of the people concerned and the aftermath of their lives after prayers by the christians,I know you will still look for a way to argue.

Young man you talk like a child sometimes.Go and study the history of the Jewish People and you would notice that your claim about the absence of historical and aercheological evidences of Jesus of Nazareth is mischievious because His birth place,burial place and even the burial clothes,among other facts are still there today for all to see.Besides the Egyptians have not forgotten what happened when they  tried to hold back His chosen people.Ask the Egyptians if they doubt the existence of the christian God.

The science you are praising to the high heavens and ranting about is the greatest enemy of the human race.Most ailments in the world today are created by science.If you are blind,have you not heard how many infected with the dreaded HIV virus,having lost hope,rejected by science and waiting to die;came to the christian God and were healed? The same science that had hitherto passed death verdict on them not able to explain what actually happened to their earlier diagnosis and postulations; and what about those whose wombs were removed by science but later replaced by the christian God? Unbelieveable right?The christian God has the solutions to all the fundamental problems of life.

Whether God dwells in the sky,well God is a spirit.He dwells in the Heaven and not the 'sky'.I know you do not know the difference between sky and Heaven.

The history,background,editing,manipulation,mode of propagation and scandals associated with the bible that you are talking about are all the machinations of the devil,using people like you to question the authority and efficacy of the WORD of God.

About my being a christian,I have answered you and do not want to repeat myself.

I tell you things you have never heard in all the years you claimed to have been a christian,yet you don't understand but see it as indoctrination.You FOOL can't you see that the knowledge of the world is nothing near the wisdom of God? Even when the knowledge you are relying on is failing,proven scientific theories and accepted standards no longer reliable,philosophers and mighty men becoming perplexed because of the fear of the future;you stand here to argue and ask for proof of God's existence.Sorry young man because you are not anything interms of knowledge or influence near those who said many vain things against the christian God and His existence but later turned around to exalt His name.You are but just a little fry.Dummy.

I now know that you are not only confused but sick and lost.First,I must awaken you to this consciousness which is the fact that we do not belong to the same system.The worldly system and standard of proof is not,will not and can never be the basis for the proof of the existence of the christian God.I have given you proof of His existence which is His WORD but to you it is foolishness but am not surprised because the scripture already addressed your case in 1Corinthians 1:18 thus: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.

Futhermore,the various miracles performed by Jesus that you are trying to dispute,as well as His birth,death and resurrection and other acts of faith recorded in the bible are also found in the Jewish history.Why don't you check it out before you come out to disgrace yourself.About your claims that you used to be a good christian,your confessions so far never showed anything in that direction.Christianity goes beyond church attendance and membership.If you were taught anything about the Holy Spirit and how to fellowship with it,perhaps,you would not be talking about proof of God's existence as the Holy Spirit would have revealed God to you.So I wonder the kind of christian you were without the communion and fellowship of the Holy Spirit.

You are indeed the sheeple here.Afraid of being different from the ways of the world for fear of rejection and scorn,you are not only brainwashed but have also become a harbinger and converyor of the worldly order.Think about your life young man.Up till now,is it not clear to you that the man you call RETARD is not afterall.Grow up boy because intellectually,you are not in my class.I pity you.

Even in your confused state,you still think you are better informed than I am about God.The proof of God's existence if premised on the questions raised by you as seen in your last post above is but an exhibition of your dependence on experience knowledge as a means or proof of The existence of the christian God.Your insistence of the proof of the existence of God is to percieve God in the natural or carnal sense.Unfortunately you exhibited your ignorance about the things of God or His existence in your posts.My dear,your likes had and still exist today because the scripture did warn about your likes in 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Point of correction: Iam not a christian because am born into a christian family.I became a christian out of my personal conviction that Jeesus is the son of God and that He was crucified and raised from the death for my justification and salvation.Not accepting Christ simply means you are dead spiritually and in this state,you may never realise yourself until it becomes late.

Funny enough,you seem to forget the fact that Africans in their various mode of worship before the advent of 'christianity and slavery' used their own sons and daughters as objects of sacrifice to their so called gods.Oh this is not bad because it was meted out to their own by their own right? It was also right for Africans to plunder and kill the weak among them their offence being that they are weak? Common,there are thought provoking questions begging for answers when we look at our traditional worship or belief objectively.i do not want to dwell much on that.

I do not know between you and I who is a sheeple.All the trash that you call argument here is simply a manifestation of your deep engrossment in philosophical thought and logic.As long as you remain a carnal man,you cannot know God let alone seeing proofs of His existence.All the questions you raised have no bearing as to the existence of God but yet a step further in deriding christians.I tell you what,you need Jesus in your life.Jesus is alive forever and whether you accept Him or not,it cannot change who He is and what He is doing in the world.

The gift and promise of the Holy Spirit was not limited to the 120 that gathered at Antioch.Remember in Acts 1:8,the scripture stated thus:
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Note here that the 120 that recieved the Holy Spirit are not living today so it actually include all that would believe and confess Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.Remember in John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Also John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

And verse 26 also confirms the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer thus:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Spirit is still very much available to all that believe.

In Galatians 3:10-11 the scripture said

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


As christians,we are not under the law but under grace in Christ Jesus.
 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 


 1Jo 3:5   And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 


 1Jo 3:6   Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 


 1Jo 3:7   Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 


 1Jo 3:8   He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 


 1Jo 3:9   Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 

 1Jo 3:10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

Also Galatians 5:4-5
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Futhermore,Galatians 5:16-18 makes it more clearer thus

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

In summary,anyone that commits sin is not a christian because sin is not the nature of a Christ but that of the devil.

What a disparageent! Christians are not sheeple as the bible is crystal clear.It is simple as it is said.Sin is a nature (not an act) so also righteousness.The church is the body of Chriist and therefore cannot hold you by your balls if you sin.Only Christ who is the Head of the church can if at all there is no need for that.The church is not a place of condemnation or judgement but a place for exaltation,service to God and perfecting of the saints of God.The truth is that nobody will go to hell as a result of sin;instead,people will go to hell for refusing to accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour.Christians live by the grace of God in Christ Jesus.

It is obvious that some people are out to rubbish our faith in Christ and His work of redemption on humankind.Brethrens hold on Christ for He is and remains the Author and Finisher of our faith.Arise and shine for your light is come and the glory of the Lord is risen upon you.It is not a surprise as Isaiah 60:1  Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
 
2  For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Light the way for the world that they might come out of darkness.

Almighty Jehovah is your name and your glory can never be shared with any other god.Whether the devil likes it or not,you are God and beside you,there is no other god.Thank You Lord for the gift of Christ.