what did allah have for muslim women in heaven? (Page 2)

Date: 14-05-2010 10:27 pm (14 years ago) | Author: johnson derbi
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- Harunshehu at 20-05-2010 12:10 PM (14 years ago)
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Many people are surprised when told that Islam does not promise 72 virgins, and actually condemns people who commit suicide.

No matter how many times it is repeated through the media, it will not changed the fact that such assertion is an absurd lie.

The “virgin” has clearly received more than its fair share of publicity due to its hilarity. The image of a lunatic suicide bomber taking his pick from 72 luscious virgins is much more welcoming to today’s masses and their imagination than whether or not it logically and rationally would suffice. At the very least, it makes for a particularly gratifying affirmation for those who would love to see their political gain protected against Islam and within the Islamic countries.

The harsh punishment promised by God for people who commit suicide murder could not be any clearer than the following verse of the holy Quran:

    But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that in rancor and injustice, soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.  – Chapter 4 (Surah An-Nisa): Verse 29 – 30

Moreover, many Muslims view suicide as “Major Sin” with severe punishment in the hereafter. This is also re-enforced by several authentic Hadiths, or sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a), such as the followings:

    Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.” (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445)

Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection. (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73)

The condemnation of Islam towards suicide is so great that it would be unimaginable to think that sex has been promised for its reward.

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- Harunshehu at 20-05-2010 12:12 PM (14 years ago)
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Where has the 72 virgin myth come from?

So one might ask where such a myth could have sprung from and why the number “72 virgins”?

It comes from an alleged saying attributed to Prophet Muhammad, which has neither been verified nor authenticated. Muslims refer to these dubious sayings as Gharib Hadiths (saying of Prophet Muhammad (saaw) is that is conveyed by only one narrator.)

It goes as such:

    The Prophet Muhammad was heard as saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah (a Damascus suburb) to – Sana’a (Yemen)” – Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562

It is interesting to note that majority of the Muslims outside the western world have not even heard of such saying, which ironically makes the west more aware of it than the Muslim world.

Even considering that such saying exists and is valid, there is no mention of virgins or deserving martyrs. This is a weak narration from an untrustworthy source.

Again, it must be stressed upon that the above saying cannot be verified as authentic due to the fact that there is a discrepancy in its Sanad, (or chain of transmitters). As such, Muslims are not required to believe in these Hadith for there is a chance that it may have been fabricated or corrupted along the way.

Even so, as dubious as it may be, nowhere does it mention anything about virgins being rewarded to anyone who commit suicide for any reason. What it does mention however are wives, which scholars have argued, should not be translated literally for it may convey a metaphorical meaning.

As mentioned earlier, a convincing majority of Muslims do not believe that such Hadith is authentic, but westerners have definitely made hay with it.

Today, the myth of the “72 virgins” is amongst other false arguments against Islam, which is brought forth and kept nourished by those, whose arrogance or ignorance motivates them to prevail against Islam and its spirit of Truth. Political and financial entities have used media sources to twist this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.

So, it leads many uninformed individuals to think that when a Palestinian youth is driven to kill him self in order to destroy Israeli soldiers, it is because he wants to indulge himself in endless heavenly erotica. It is never about the mistreatment by the Israelis, demolishing Palestinian homes, killing their women and childer during the bright of the day or their sleep. It is never about blockading of food and life’s essentials by air, land and sea and it is never about the years of anguish and oppression felt but the people of Palestine

Dr. Robert Pape, an American Political Scientist and a professor of University of Chicago in his book, Dying to Win, proves that suicidal killing is a phenomenon of desperation. After studying all recent suicide attacks around the world, he concludes that in every case and without exception, suicide attacks were response to occupation of an ethnic group.

Although the act of committing suicide in order to kill others should be condemned and criticized, it is perhaps more significant and practical to investigate what truly drives such individuals to do it. Human beings with families and claims to their sovereignty do not just kill themselves.

Very often, we fail to see the real reason behind such desperate acts, yet it is easier for us to believe what we are expected to believe and what is easy for us to believe: the myth of the “72 virgins”.

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- mubaji at 20-05-2010 01:07 PM (14 years ago)
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well, thanks to Harunshehu, cadanre and other Muslims here; we are all worthy of praise for enduring all the insinuations carried by our Nigerian christians  -this really tells who is at peace: the Muslims or the christians.

concerning the topic, i would prefer not answering the question because it does not worth to be answered for the followings:
1- the poster's title is "what did.... instead of does. which means he doesn't believe we serve an Existing-Everlasting God hence he overlooked Him -The Most High. so, what do I want to say to convince someone who overlooked his own creator.
2- the poster wrote "allah" instead of ALLAH (or at least Allah) which means he has no regard for our own God.
3- from my readings, i've discovered that the poster is not here to wash away his ignorance about Islam, rather he wants people to join him in blaspheming Islam with his baseless points; can you Imagine claiming there is a restricted number of wives for men in Paradise. this is infact a great lie as it's no where to be found in neither the Quran nor the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him).
peace to all Muslims.
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- mubaji at 20-05-2010 01:20 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 19-05-2010 06:54 PM
@ derbi

You are lying. You have never answer even a single question asked by many Muslims on this site. You only insult them. Give me a single example where you straight answer a question asked by a Muslim. But for myself alone, I ask you many question which you are yet to answer. You are lying.
why would you ask him question, have you forgotten he's astray as stated in the Holy Qur'an.
my brother, if you have any religious question go into the Qur'an you'll find it there. asking a lost person might lead you astray.
May we die as Muslims.
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- cadanre at 20-05-2010 02:04 PM (14 years ago)
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@ mubaji

Ameen thumma ameen.

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- Harunshehu at 20-05-2010 02:28 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: schegzy on 20-05-2010 10:24 AM
Heaven is for the righteous, while hell is for the evils.

You see what I'm saying now. He is at it again "my conclution is muslim have know hope u guys are not going to heaven sure"
Discrimination and nonsense talk, that is what he is fond of. Do you think you've been righteous with all these your nonsense talks?
Let's see where you will spend your eternity in the hereafter.

Mind you tongue MR., have u even died b4 or tell anybody what heaven looks like.

Many of you would not even respect other pple's belief, you will just come here and post things without reasoning.

May God forgive you

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- derbi at 20-05-2010 05:44 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: Harunshehu on 20-05-2010 12:07 PM
Peace be upon every one of us,

While All Muslims around World regard with reverence to your Jesus and address him as Hz. ISA A.S ( Christ ) ( putting a holy prefix in front of his name ),
You keep abusing, Islam and our almighty Prophet with disgusting and disgraceful cartoons,speeches using excuses of freedom of speech.


I always wanted to ask you Christians and atheist, was that how Christ preached to the Jews and many others that believed in him?

 @Derbi, from your tone I know you would seize at nothing to continue posting hateful and other Blasphemous things about Islam. You asked a question: what did Allah have for muslim women in heaven? Cant you at least wait for a response before being conclusive....

NOW to your question,  Many adversaries of Islam and many others whom have been deprived of the Truth have wrongly and continuously asserted that Islam or the Quran promises 72 virgins to martyrs.

The incorrect assumption that “Islam promises 72 Virgins for Martyrs in Heaven” unfortunately signifies deep misconceptions in the West with regards to Islam. It is a myth repeated so often, which has misled many people to accept it as truth and evidence of an obviously insane religion.

It is the myth of the 72 virgins.

When news of a suicide bombing appears in the headlines, it is automatically assumed that some crazy Arab or Muslim must have sacrificed his earthly life to have gained the erotic and everlasting pleasure from the company of 72 virgins in paradise.
hay u stope shouting!!, do u see anyting like hate there, i just ask simple question, doese that mean i hate islam, anyway u have not answer my question, doese this mean u people dont have answer to my question? i dont want to believe u people dont realy have answer that question, u guys are just beathing around the bush and it seem to me that u guys are very far from the truth......
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- derbi at 20-05-2010 05:50 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 20-05-2010 01:07 PM
well, thanks to Harunshehu, cadanre and other Muslims here; we are all worthy of praise for enduring all the insinuations carried by our Nigerian christians  -this really tells who is at peace: the Muslims or the christians.

concerning the topic, i would prefer not answering the question because it does not worth to be answered for the followings:
1- the poster's title is "what did.... instead of does. which means he doesn't believe we serve an Existing-Everlasting God hence he overlooked Him -The Most High. so, what do I want to say to convince someone who overlooked his own creator.
2- the poster wrote "allah" instead of ALLAH (or at least Allah) which means he has no regard for our own God.
3- from my readings, i've discovered that the poster is not here to wash away his ignorance about Islam, rather he wants people to join him in blaspheming Islam with his baseless points; can you Imagine claiming there is a restricted number of wives for men in Paradise. this is infact a great lie as it's no where to be found in neither the Quran nor the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him).
peace to ll Muslims.

answer the question and stope talking inrelivant things, all this u saying are inrelivant the question is there for u to answer u guys should stope this playing around and answer the question
Posted: at 20-05-2010 05:50 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- derbi at 20-05-2010 05:58 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 20-05-2010 01:20 PM
Quote from: cadanre on 19-05-2010 06:54 PM
@ derbi

You are lying. You have never answer even a single question asked by many Muslims on this site. You only insult them. Give me a single example where you straight answer a question asked by a Muslim. But for myself alone, I ask you many question which you are yet to answer. You are lying.
why would you ask him question, have you forgotten he's astray as stated in the Holy Qur'an.
my brother, if you have any religious question go into the Qur'an you'll find it there. asking a lost person might lead you astray.
May we die as Muslims.

look at this lost soul is talking u need CHRIST so stope decieving ur self, i can tell u litle about heaven becouse JESUS talk about it in the HOLY BIBLE becouse he came from there and he is the only begotten son of God, but mohammed have know ideal about heaven, he have never being there b4, but if u still have a answer to my question please answer it and enlight us.....
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- derbi at 20-05-2010 06:05 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 20-05-2010 10:42 AM
If you really want to know: Everyone is going to be rewarded by Almighty Allah according to his deeds according to what he performs.
this is not the answer, i said if men are prommise 73 virgin, what did he have for women? is it 73 virgin men? please tell us we want to know...peace out one love.....
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- Harunshehu at 20-05-2010 06:52 PM (14 years ago)
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@ Derbi why do u confuse yourself, I have answered your questions. there is nothing like 73 virgins in our religion.

 The “virgin” has clearly received more than its fair share of publicity due to its hilarity. The image of a lunatic suicide bomber taking his pick from 72 luscious virgins is much more welcoming to today’s masses and their imagination than whether or not it logically and rationally would suffice. At the very least, it makes for a particularly gratifying affirmation for those who would love to see their political gain protected against Islam and within the Islamic countries.

The harsh punishment promised by God for people who commit suicide murder could not be any clearer than the following verse of the holy Quran:

    But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that in rancor and injustice, soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.  – Chapter 4 (Surah An-Nisa): Verse 29 – 30

What else do u want.

I KNOW WATS IN UR MIND BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....

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- cadanre at 20-05-2010 07:29 PM (14 years ago)
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derbi shine your eyes and read well. An answer to your question was given. Read it.

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- danielsneche at 21-05-2010 10:40 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: schegzy on 19-05-2010 11:06 AM
@derbi,
I know that insults, discrimination and even blasphemy are your area of specialization, You keep on condemning others here everyday.
You fights everyday. As religion is part of your area of specialization, why don't you find better things to talk about your religion and stop bothering yourself about other religions (Islam precisely). If you need to manipulate others to your religion, look for a way to polish your religion, just like the way Pastor Adeboye of R.C.C.G and Pastor Chris of Christ Embassy did. They never discriminate or insult anyone, yet their population increases in number almost everyday.
Blaspheming cannot have any effect on me, even for the fact that I am not so strong in my religion...nothing can divert my footsteps on the path I'm tracing. We have found Islam, we have found PEACE. Why don't you try others and leave we Muslims alone? because no matter how you try on us, your efforts will only be proved abortive.

*Peace*
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- Harunshehu at 21-05-2010 11:08 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: schegzy on 19-05-2010 11:06 AM
@derbi,
I know that insults, discrimination and even blasphemy are your area of specialization, You keep on condemning others here everyday.
You fights everyday. As religion is part of your area of specialization, why don't you find better things to talk about your religion and stop bothering yourself about other religions (Islam precisely). If you need to manipulate others to your religion, look for a way to polish your religion, just like the way Pastor Adeboye of R.C.C.G and Pastor Chris of Christ Embassy did. They never discriminate or insult anyone, yet their population increases in number almost everyday.
Blaspheming cannot have any effect on me, even for the fact that I am not so strong in my religion...nothing can divert my footsteps on the path I'm tracing. We have found Islam, we have found PEACE. Why don't you try others and leave we Muslims alone? because no matter how you try on us, your efforts will only be proved abortive.

*Peace*

I guess am not the only one who knows this guy for being rude and Mocking others....

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- agchris at 21-05-2010 11:29 AM (14 years ago)
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@ derbi
dont bother yourself, none of them can ever near such a place- HEAVEN. Muhammed their ancestor has not gotten there, and he will not. before he died in the desert, he confessed he his followers that he had no idea of where he was going to. they are all lost :'( :'( :'(
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- Ify4life at 21-05-2010 11:31 AM (14 years ago)
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brb

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- mubaji at 21-05-2010 12:58 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: derbi on 20-05-2010 05:50 PM
answer the question and stope talking inrelivant things, all this u saying are inrelivant the question is there for u to answer u guys should stope this playing around and answer the question

we don't answer derailed questions.
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- mubaji at 21-05-2010 01:12 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: agchris on 21-05-2010 11:29 AM
@ derbi
dont bother yourself, none of them can ever near such a place- HEAVEN. Muhammed their ancestor has not gotten there, and he will not. before he died in the desert, he confessed he his followers that he had no idea of where he was going to. they are all lost :'( :'( :'(
my friend, stop ranting; open your eyes and go through the comments on this topic.
mind you, we dont care about your hatred for Islam, Muslims and Prophet Muhammad because Al-Qur'an already informed us about that.
 all we care is you seeing the guidance of God, because we love you and don't want loss for you (here and hereafter).
Posted: at 21-05-2010 01:12 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- Harunshehu at 21-05-2010 01:23 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: agchris on 21-05-2010 11:29 AM
@ derbi
dont bother yourself, none of them can ever near such a place- HEAVEN. Muhammed their ancestor has not gotten there, and he will not. before he died in the desert, he confessed he his followers that he had no idea of where he was going to. they are all lost :'( :'( :'(

I guess Derbi has gotten an accomplice in Mockery, why i choose not be silent is that The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING. Mr.Chris and Derbi What is it that you people really want??

Bring your proof for these blasphemies if you are truthful, the Message of Muhmmad was clearly from Almighty God and to every nation God sent a Messenger : 

 “And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allaah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way”
[al-Maa’idah 5:48]. The Holy Quran

Who are you to Judge when My Lord has made it clear :  “Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”
[al-Maa’idah 5:50]. The Holy Quran.

If you have any direct proof bring it here and not trying to play God..

May God have mercy on our soul but you Christians are so rude to Muslims here. ITS NOT FAIR

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- mubaji at 21-05-2010 01:34 PM (14 years ago)
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@ Harunshehu
i really commend your effort in trying to clearify issues for these christians.
but the truth is: only few of the christians will accept these facts because most  of them are not here to be enlightened. they are here for blasphemy.
Posted: at 21-05-2010 01:34 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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