Is Muhammad a messenger or prophet? (Page 2)

Date: 18-08-2010 12:57 am (13 years ago) | Author: Original Sly
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- mubaji at 9-02-2012 02:32 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 21-01-2012 02:29 PM
You've got it ass backwards. He doesn't have to prove you wrong; you have to prove that you're right.
i've proved enough but you brains are upside down.
Posted: at 9-02-2012 02:32 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- CammyWhite at 9-02-2012 09:35 AM (12 years ago)
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The 'proof' you gave was no proof at all.
Posted: at 9-02-2012 09:35 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- Egypti at 9-02-2012 12:41 PM (12 years ago)
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THE VICTORY OF BYZANTIUM

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An astonishing prediction is found in the first verses of Surat ar-Rum, which refers to the Byzantine Empire, the eastern part of the later Roman Empire: The Byzantine Empire, which had met with a great defeat, would soon gain victory.

    Alif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will be victorious within three to nine years. The affair is Allah's from beginning to end. On that day, the believers will rejoice. (Qur'an, 30:1-4)

These verses were revealed around 620, almost 7 years after the idolatrous Persians had severely defeated Christian Byzantium in 613-14. In fact, Byzantium had suffered such heavy losses that it seemed impossible for it even to survive, let alone be victorious again. Following their defeat of the Byzantines at Antioch in 613, the Persians seized control of Damascus, Cilicia, Tarsus, Armenia, and Jerusalem. The loss of Jerusalem in 614 was particularly traumatic for the Byzantines, for the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was destroyed and the Persians seized the "True Cross," the symbol of Christianity.174 In addition, the Avars, Slavs, and Lombards also were posing serious threats to the Byzantine Empire. The Avars had reached as far as the walls of Constantinople. Emperor Heraclius ordered the gold and silver in churches to be melted and turned into money in order to meet the army's expenses. When this proved insufficient, bronze statues were melted down in order to mint more money. Many governors had revolted against Heraclius, and Byzantium was on the point of collapse.175 Mesopotamia, Cilicia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt and Armenia, which had earlier belonged to Byzantium, were invaded by the idolatrous Persians.176


The Dead Sea basin where Byzantium was defeated by Persians. Above is a satellite photograph of the region. The Lake of Lut region, which is the lowest region of the world, is 395 meter below the sea level.

In short, everyone was expecting Byzantium to be destroyed. But during this time, the first verses of Surat ar-Rum were revealed, announcing that Byzantium would triumph in 3 to 9 years. This predicted victory seemed so impossible that the Arab polytheists thought it would never come true.


On top a satellite photograph of the Dead Sea basin. The altitude of the Dead Sea could only be determined with modern measurement techniques. These measurements led to the discovery that this region is the "lowest region on the Earth."

Like all the other predictions in the Qur'an, however, this one also came true. In 622, Heraclius gained a number of victories over the Persians and conquered Armenia.177 In December 627, the two empires fought a decisive battle at Nineveh, some 50 kilometres east of the Tigris river, near Baghdad. This time too, the Byzantine army defeated the Persians. A few months later, the Persians had to sue for peace with Byzantium, which obliged them to return the territories they had taken from it.178

The Byzantine victory was completed when Emperor Heraclius defeated the Persian ruler Khosrow II in 630, recaptured Jerusalem, and regained the "True Cross" for the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.179 In the end, "the victory of the Romans" proclaimed by Allah in the Qur'an miraculously came true within the verses' stated "three to nine years" time frame.

Another miracle revealed in these verses is the announcement of a geographical fact that could not have been known by anyone at that time: that the Romans had been defeated in the lowest region of Earth. This Arabic expression adna al-Ard is interpreted as "a nearby place" in many translations. However, this is not the literal meaning, but rather a figurative interpretation. The word adna, derived from the word dani (low), means “the lowest”. The word ard means “the world.” Therefore, adna al-ard means "the lowest place on Earth."


Some interpreters of the Qur'an, considering the closeness of the region in question to the Arabs, prefer the "closest" meaning of the word. However, the actual meaning indicates a very important geological fact: The Dead Sea, one of the regions in which the Byzantines were defeated in 613-14, is the lowest region on Earth.180

As stated earlier, for Christian Byzantium, the loss of the True Cross was the heaviest blow in that defeat in Jerusalem, located near the shores of the Dead Sea.

The Byzantines and the Persians actually fought at the Dead Sea basin, which is situated at the intersection point of the lands belonging to Syria, Palestine, and Jordan. At 399 meters below sea level, the Dead Sea is the "lowest" place on Earth's surface.181

However, as only modern measuring methods and equipment can prove this fact, it would have been impossible for anyone living at that time to realise this truth. Yet, the Qur'an states clearly that this region was the "lowest land" on Earth and thereby provides further evidence that it is the Word of Allah.


Posted: at 9-02-2012 12:41 PM (12 years ago) | Newbie
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- Egypti at 9-02-2012 12:45 PM (12 years ago)
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Useful resources:
Read:
The Third Divine Quality of the Qur’an: the Predictions
from here:
http://onlydeenislam.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/the-qur%E2%80%99an-the-word-of-god/

More about prophet predictions and miracles:
http://abdurrahman.org/seerah/miraclesoftheprophet.html
Posted: at 9-02-2012 12:45 PM (12 years ago) | Newbie
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- CammyWhite at 9-02-2012 01:44 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: Egypti on  9-02-2012 12:45 PM
More about prophet predictions and miracles: http://abdurrahman.org/seerah/miraclesoftheprophet.html


That's quite a list; The splitting of the moon [which no-one else seems to have noticed apparently], water flowing from between his fingers, increasing the quantity of food and water [now where have I heard that one before?], the glorification of the food [whatever that means], the palm tree yearning for him [?], stones greeting him[??] , the talking of the poisoned leg [Huh?], trees walking towards him  [Huh??], two trees that were far apart coming together and then parting again, the barren [and therefore dry] sheep giving milk, his returning the eye of Qatâdah bin an-Nu'mân to its place with his hand after it had slipped out, his splitting lightly into the eye of 'Alî when it had become inflamed and its being cured almost immediately, his wiping the leg of 'Abdullâh bin 'Atîq whereupon he was immediately cured - let's face it, there's not much there that wasn't claimed for Yeshuah.
Posted: at 9-02-2012 01:44 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chys at 7-03-2012 09:56 PM (12 years ago)
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Mohammed is a self acclaimed prophet plus massenger and he was very successful in confussing some foolish few to follow and beliv em...I BIND MOHAMMED IN THE NAME OF JESUS.. Grin Grin Grin Grin
Posted: at 7-03-2012 09:56 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- binshehu at 10-03-2012 12:05 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: jaykay123 on 19-01-2012 03:11 AM
I'm very sure this mubaji of a person is nt educated. Is ther anytin lik a muslim dictionary dat redefines engliah words cos i knw very well that d word prophet is an english word & we all knw wat it means... ' one who devinely reveals future event accurately. This guy must b one of thos boko haram fightin against western education.  Pls find ur muslem grammar to qualify ur mohamed but pls dnt call him a prophet cos dats an english word wt an english meaning. Ahh!!!
Jaykay, Muhammad was both, by what we believe.He warned us however against sorcery No one is forcing you to believe.Someone just asked  a question, and the believers in the message He brought are answering.Some folks however chose to be fanatical and insulting in their responses,which to my mind is unnecessary,unbecoming and to say the least uncivilised .
Posted: at 10-03-2012 12:05 PM (12 years ago) | Newbie
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