![-]( "happipink") happipink at 23-08-2009 11:22 AM (14 years ago)  (f) christianity.........different churches wit different doctrines.
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![-]( "fanu_02") fanu_02 at 23-08-2009 01:17 PM (14 years ago) (m) Yes my brother Kolly02. Care must be taken when handling spiritual issues and God's guidance sort. | Posted: at 23-08-2009 01:17 PM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 23-08-2009 04:10 PM (14 years ago) (f) @ Kenyawest.
You got the whole thing WRONG. When you wrote that Jesus permitted divorce, you must have been referring to Matthew 19:9:"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." We know that Jesus didnt speak English. So in the original Aramaic and Greek versions of the Bible, the Jews had 3 acts that they called ADULTERY. The were 1) Worship of false gods as we have in Hosea 1:2. (2) Unlawful marriages condemned in Leviticus 18. (3) Illicit sex as is commonly understood. The word Jesus used (and which has been wrongly translated Adultery in some Bibles) refers to the marriages in Lev 18. He was saying that you can divorce if you marry but come to discover that it wasnt supposed to be so in the first place. In that case, that case, there was no real marriage, so the two people can go their ways. Its like you unknowingly marrying your cousin, then having to leave her when you discover it. Thats the only time that divorce is permitted. It cant be really called divorce because there was no valid marriage in the first place. Get the point now?
@bemyfriend - you may want to re-read your post and check the bible again. 1. Hosea 1:2 - strictly deals with IDOLATRY and not ADULTERY - worshipping of false gods and unfaithfulness to God. 2. Leviticus 18 - cited by you does not deal with divorce nor marriage but instructions from God regarding having segxwal relations with your blood relatives and the worship of false gods. 3. Matthew 19:9 - cited by you strictly deals with marriage and divorce. :"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." God is not the author of confusion. God gave us rules in the ten commandments that "thou shall not commit adultery". If any man or woman commits adultery in their marriage, the injured party is allowed to get a divorce. The injured party can forgive if they so choose, but if they are not able to forgive, they are allowed a divorce and God understands that. You cannot break God's commandment and not expect the consequences. Adultery is marital unfaithfulness. I do not know why the pastor and his wife divorced, but if it had to deal with adultery since the ex-wife remarried already, I think the Pastor has the right to remarry and waiting for his wife to change her mind for 10 years is long enough. | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:10 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 23-08-2009 04:23 PM (14 years ago) (f) But what the Bible says is that a minister of God must be blameless, husband of one wife. The Bible does not allow one to remarry. Rather it encourages both parties to reconcile. There is nothing like irreconcilable differences.
Citing Malachi 2:13-16, Matthew 19:1-9, I Corinthians 7:10, scriptures from the Bible, he says remarrying is not an option for any Christian but rather reconciliation. He adds that marriage is solemn, as the couple must know what they are going into, and sacred because God made it so, and serious because it is binding for life.
By Oluwatoyin Akinola & Onukwube Ofoelue I think that they may be misinterpreting the Bible a little bit. God hates divorce, but does not disallow it. This topic was brought to Jesus Christ because Moses allowed divorce. Jesus told them that Moses allowed divorce because we were stubborn or they were stubborn. Divorce is allowed in the case of adultery and abuse. The one that has been offended is allowed to forgive should they choose. The Minister of God must be blameless, there is no evidence that this particular minister was to be blamed for his marriage failure. The minister of God is to be husband to one wife. There is no evidence here that this particular minister is married to more than one wife at a time. I remember so many parts in the bible where men put away their wives. I remember King Solomon that built the temple with hundreds of wives and hundreds of concubines. King David had many wives also and Jesus Christ came from the lineage of King David as well as the lineage of prostitutes. God understands. We are not encouraging divorce. Marriage must be held as sacred at all times. Ten years of waiting for his ex-wife was long enough and God understands that as well. The minister should leave the church, join another tolerant church or set up his own. Let the mightier than thou judges in those redeemed churches keep their church. They are not God! I don't see a bad thing in the Pastor remarrying. Since the Bible is for reference purpose; the book of Esther Chpt. 1 Vs 10 - 22. King Xerxes invited his Queen (Queen Vashti) but due to her selfish interest and pride, she refused to honour the invitation [Just like in the case of the said Minister's Wife]. Which made the King's Legal Advisers advised him to take another Queen in chapter 2 of Esther [Which the so called fellow Ministers of his would have advised him since they are using the Bible as point of reference]. In a nutshell, the wife's refusal to come back to him could be a way that God wants to use and uplift him, it is not as if God likes divorce but He removes whatever that would stop him from blessing His faithfuls, afterall God used Esther to kill Haman [Chapter 7 of Esther] in order to save His (God) people from Haman's evil plans, that was why He removed Queen Vashti from the palace and put Esther because Queen Vashti couldn't have carried out His (God) assignment... [This is not blasphemy] I am in your corner. | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:23 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 23-08-2009 04:30 PM (14 years ago) (f) If he is now committing adultry withot the knowledge of anyone , who is to blame then?
The wife refuse to come backfor the past 10years, some people who is jugding now cannot wait for
1year talk of 10years.
When God know the best.
You are correct. They have not presented to me the reason why this Pastor cannot remarry. His wife has already remarried a long time ago. She refuses to come back. Who committed adultery here? This pastor searched far and wide the scriptures and rested his case on Jesus Christ. We are allowed to get a divorce in the case of adultery (unchastity, unfaithfulness), and that wife obviously commited adultery by marrying another man other than the pastor. The pastor has waited 10 years, way longer than he should have based on the bible. Nobody has the right to condemn what God has has sanctioned already (Mathew 19:9). | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:30 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 23-08-2009 04:32 PM (14 years ago) (f) christianity.........different churches wit different doctrines.
That happens when man starts misinterpreting the bible and instituting their own rules instead of following the Spirit of God's words. God hates divorce, but allows divorce in the case of divorce (Matthew 19:9 - this is coming straight from Jesus the author and finisher of our faith). | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:32 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 23-08-2009 04:40 PM (14 years ago) (f) the bible in corinthians 7 says if d unbelieving wants to leave let him leave & a brother or sister is not under bondage in such a case. this supports what d pastor has done as being right as he's free from d previous marriage bond!!! this shows d bible support him.
even logic will too: y sould d wife be married all this yrs & be living her life fully while d pastor burns & risk immorality?
Well done. Thanks. | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:40 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "portiphar") portiphar at 23-08-2009 04:54 PM (14 years ago) (m) omo, me i no know ohh | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:54 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "portiphar") portiphar at 23-08-2009 04:55 PM (14 years ago) (m) i no go lie at all at all | Posted: at 23-08-2009 04:55 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "vik4000") vik4000 at 23-08-2009 06:04 PM (14 years ago) (f) Judge not dat ye may not be judged. He dat is without sin should cast de first stone, so before anybody tries to remove de speck frm his brother's eyes, has he or she cleared first de one in his or her own eyes. Is it not stated dat de woman left de Pastor on grounds dat he became a man of God, remarried wit kids? She is an agent of darkness who was only tryin to stop de fire of God frm burnin thru de Pastor. If de said pastor was de G O of dat church like Pst Okotie, would any governin council hav told him to leave his duty dat God has sent him to do? Pls search de Bible very well on dis issue before casting asperations on de innocent man of God. Pls let's leave to God wat belongs to God or would you have rather prefered to hear dat de man is sleeping around wit his church members? | Posted: at 23-08-2009 06:04 PM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 24-08-2009 12:52 AM (14 years ago) (f) Judge not dat ye may not be judged. He dat is without sin should cast de first stone, so before anybody tries to remove de speck frm his brother's eyes, has he or she cleared first de one in his or her own eyes. Is it not stated dat de woman left de Pastor on grounds dat he became a man of God, remarried wit kids? She is an agent of darkness who was only tryin to stop de fire of God frm burnin thru de Pastor. If de said pastor was de G O of dat church like Pst Okotie, would any governin council hav told him to leave his duty dat God has sent him to do? Pls search de Bible very well on dis issue before casting asperations on de innocent man of God. Pls let's leave to God wat belongs to God or would you have rather prefered to hear dat de man is sleeping around wit his church members?
Thanks. | Posted: at 24-08-2009 12:52 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "bemyfriend") bemyfriend at 24-08-2009 09:03 AM (14 years ago) (m) @ Kenyawest. You seemed real funny. You agree that one shouldnt be judged. But what happens when you condemn me for judging another person? Arent you judging somebody who has judged another person, thereby continuing the trend? Many peopl for lack of moral courage hide under the cloak of "thou shalt not judge" and refuse to take up positions on moral matters that are outrightly evil. I pray never to be one. | Posted: at 24-08-2009 09:03 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "bemyfriend") bemyfriend at 24-08-2009 09:10 AM (14 years ago) (m) another point that we havent beenlooking at is the fact that marriage is a reflection of the covenant between God and the Israelites in the old testament and Jesus and the Church in the New (Eph 5:21-32). No matter how the people sinned, did God abadon them? NO. The marriage vows in their standard form are all embracing and are pronounced without preconditions. Infidelity, unfaithfulness, inpotency, abuse, disease etc, constitute no grounds for divorce. Did not God not say in Malachi 2:16 that "I HATE DIVORCE"? | Posted: at 24-08-2009 09:10 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "ziporah") ziporah at 24-08-2009 10:56 AM (14 years ago) (f) In the beginning it was not so, the bible does not encourage divorce, nevertheless to aviod fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman her own husband. 1cor.7:2.We are not judge God weighs action but we mortals weighs physical things, for the lady to be away for 10 years from her home is alarming. For him to re-marry and the church sending him away, well this is what i dont understand , what if the woman does not want to be reconcile with d husband, should he remain like dat?please do not open doors for the devil. some men of God fall because of fornication with wives, let alone those without wives.God will see you, through this storm. It's a phase dat will roll away' G | Posted: at 24-08-2009 10:56 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "sainttuna") sainttuna at 24-08-2009 11:25 AM (14 years ago) (m) NOBODY SHOULD JUDGE ANYBODY AS THE BIBLE SAYS WE SHOULD NOT. LEADERSHIP IS A SENSITIVE POSITION,MAY GOD GIVE US WISDOM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW PASTOR IGHODALO IS REACTING TO THIS LATEST DEVELOPMENT. HE SHOULD MAKE AMENDS IF POSSIBLE AS THERE IS NOTHING GOD CANNOT DO. JESUS LOVES U SOLA | Posted: at 24-08-2009 11:25 AM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "emahecom") emahecom at 24-08-2009 01:20 PM (14 years ago) (f) well,well,well,is isnt a good news here.But i will advise the pastor not toleave the church to open his own church.Let him ask GOD for direction concerning the matter at hand. Look at it this way,the supposed wife,ask him to step down as a pastor cos it is a politics sort of.is it that kind of a woman dat will take away her husband from the side of God and they still ask the husband to look upon God for her return.T o me,the pastor has tried to stay for dat long.He should go ahead and remarry so dat he be burning in passion.Hes not wrong to remarry.RCCG is not God.Only God can judge. | Posted: at 24-08-2009 01:20 PM (14 years ago) | Newbie | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 24-08-2009 11:41 PM (14 years ago) (f) @ Kenyawest.
You seemed real funny. You agree that one shouldnt be judged. But what happens when you condemn me for judging another person? Arent you judging somebody who has judged another person, thereby continuing the trend? Many peopl for lack of moral courage hide under the cloak of "thou shalt not judge" and refuse to take up positions on moral matters that are outrightly evil. I pray never to be one.
What are you talking about? I cannot seem to follow your judgment statements. Where have I judged you? Please clarify? | Posted: at 24-08-2009 11:41 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 24-08-2009 11:42 PM (14 years ago) (f) another point that we havent beenlooking at is the fact that marriage is a reflection of the covenant between God and the Israelites in the old testament and Jesus and the Church in the New (Eph 5:21-32). No matter how the people sinned, did God abadon them? NO. The marriage vows in their standard form are all embracing and are pronounced without preconditions. Infidelity, unfaithfulness, inpotency, abuse, disease etc, constitute no grounds for divorce. Did not God not say in Malachi 2:16 that "I HATE DIVORCE"?
God hates divorce, but allows it when there is adultery and when an unbeliever leaves the household. | Posted: at 24-08-2009 11:42 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 24-08-2009 11:43 PM (14 years ago) (f) In the beginning it was not so, the bible does not encourage divorce, nevertheless to aviod fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman her own husband. 1cor.7:2.We are not judge God weighs action but we mortals weighs physical things, for the lady to be away for 10 years from her home is alarming.
For him to re-marry and the church sending him away, well this is what i dont understand , what if the woman does not want to be reconcile with d husband, should he remain like dat?please do not open doors for the devil. some men of God fall because of fornication with wives, let alone those without wives.God will see you, through this storm. It's a phase dat will roll away'
G
Amen.
| Posted: at 24-08-2009 11:43 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 24-08-2009 11:44 PM (14 years ago) (f) well,well,well,is isnt a good news here.But i will advise the pastor not toleave the church to open his own church.Let him ask GOD for direction concerning the matter at hand.
Look at it this way,the supposed wife,ask him to step down as a pastor cos it is a politics sort of.is it that kind of a woman dat will take away her husband from the side of God and they still ask the husband to look upon God for her return.T
o me,the pastor has tried to stay for dat long.He should go ahead and remarry so dat he be burning in passion.Hes not wrong to remarry.RCCG is not God.Only God can judge.
Amen. | Posted: at 24-08-2009 11:44 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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