Church Gate Fee: Pastors Condemn Oyakhilome (Page 5)

Date: 09-01-2011 7:19 pm (13 years ago) | Author: Alfred
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- joyjumper at 12-01-2011 08:32 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: jaynoble on 12-01-2011 04:43 PM
if this issue is true, there is a mistake somewhere, because there are other ways these men use in colleting their coins. eg Offering for the new year, end of the year offering, crossover offering, Thankgiving offering, seed sowing, welfare offering, church building and so on and so fort. Rather than GATE FEES
first fruit offering would have been more appropriate for the new year.
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- joyjumper at 12-01-2011 08:33 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: nateskin200 on 11-01-2011 11:33 PM
I have been a staunch supporter of pastor chris for so many years and i have always defended the church when different allegations are been leveled against the man of God,His words has transformed my life and i can categorically says he is a true man of God,What happened on the 31st beats my imagination,and i have called and talked to a lot of people from the church in nigeria, in the meantime i am still not satisfied with the answers i am getting,and i feel pastor needs to come out to apologize to the world,with what the workers told me, they said he was been justified by his actions,the church has grown so much btw 2008 and now that they have to split the oregun branch into 6 other branches,they told me pastor wants every other lagos branch to stand on there own and grow there parish, but every member always wants to come to the oregun branch where pastor preaches, the capacity at the oregun branch can only admit 20,000 people on the 31st, and pastor decided that to keep other members from joining the 31st program,since its going to be streamed live everywhere, anyone who refuses to stay at his or her parish should pay 1000 naira to come to the oregun branch,i am sure the member of the church doesnt see anything bad in doing this in as much they know pastor will be there live and they can see him preach, but what the church,workers,pastor failed to understand is, 31st programs are not meant for the members of christ embassy alone, its for everyone and these are the avenue you can use to bring people in to the fold of God...

I will always support my pastor in all he does,but i totally condemn the admittance fee,he is a true man of God and this is not about following the pastor but just his preaching and what it could do to our lives,we are only human and everyone makes mistake,trust me not 1000 or 100 million will make pastor chris rich,he is way richer than most of the members combine together, and its not our offering or what we give makes him rich,he is truly blessed, and his books,rhapsody of realities alone makes him a multi millionaire,we as nigerians needs men of God who can help build our country,and instill the word of God in our hearts,i know for one i am stubborn and it will take a lot to win my heart over...his teachings have done marvelous things in my life,i havent been to the church in 2 years but i read his books and listen to his teachings.....it still bears fruit in my life.Pls let us not castigate the men of God,they are human,they need us to pray for them so they wont fall, nobody is perfect we are all trying to reach perfection...

There are a lot of things that I could respond to, but I will stick to the last paragraph where you stated that Pastor Chris "is way richer than most of the members combine together, and its not our offering or what we give makes him rich,he is truly blessed, and his books,rhapsody of realities alone makes him a multi millionaire,we as nigerians needs men of God who can help build our country,and instill the word of God in our hearts"

Why should Pastor Chris be way richer than most of the members combined together?  Is this how it was done in biblical times?

Was Moses way richer than most of the members combined together?

Are you aware that it is the members that fund raise for the rhapsody of realities copies?  Are you aware that those that want to be great must learn to become servants?  How many feet of the members have Pastor Chris washed?  How many members have he served?

Do you remember in the biblical time that people brought things like their land, homes after selling them?  Are you aware that all this contribution was combined and all the members benefited from the money and substance that was given?  How many Christ Embassy members are partaking of the spoils?

Do you remember when King David won the battle instead of keeping the spoils to himself after being given to it by the members that he shared with all of them?

Do we remember Jesus Christ?  Jesus Christ served the people.  Jesus Christ fed the people.  Any church that does not distribute the offerings and tithings to the members according to their needs is not a true church of God.
 Wink Wink

 
well said joy jumper

All Glory goes to our Almighty God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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- otagermo at 12-01-2011 08:35 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: ksurrina on 10-01-2011 06:11 PM
Logten where are the defenders of Pastor Chris? You see what SIN does to people? Sins give them a life of Shame and Nakedness. This only prove more what I am talking about the Christianity Realm. There are more things to be REVEAL in Nigeria about the CURSE that the people who are baptized are living in Nigeria and worldwide because of this Christianity/Muslim Realm. Our Heavenly Father and His Son have NO time for Religion. What they want is that we all build a one and one relationship with them SPIRITUALLY.
pass joor.everybody here knows that you hate christians.bla bla bla.
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- joyjumper at 12-01-2011 08:35 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: nateskin200 on 12-01-2011 08:01 PM
One truth I know is that your so-called Christ Embassy members are sending emails online asking for money so they can print out so many copies of Rhapsody of Realities on behalf of Christ Embassy.

Glad to read that you condemn the gate fee option.  Glad to hear that Pastor Chris has done some good works in the past in people's life.  Now go and talk to him to repent of the directions he is taking the Ministry to.

If he was printing the bible in 50 different languages to distribute, I will actually be grateful.  I do not need to see his face and his wife's face all over the hotels either.  I will prefer to see the bible printed by Christ Embassy, that is my humble opinion.

He can feed the poor that is good, but he needs to create sustainable employment and businesses for his members so they will not continue to have needs.

I do not advocate that people that serve God should lack.  I am advocating that regardless of people's position in the church that none of them should lack from the pastors down to the floor cleaner, etc.  They are all serving God are they not?


I do not need to tell my pastor to repent on the direction he is taking the church to, he is a man of God and there are different levels in christianity, we can not get it right at once, there is a toddler in christianity and there is a babe in christianity, and there is an adult in christianity, everyone makes mistakes and christ embassy member who solicits for money to print rhapsody of realities are doing it for there own good, even if you print bible in 50 different languages people who will not read it will not, and rhapsody of realities is just a guide on how to read the whole bible within a year....

Pastor chris helps people till date and not just in the past, it is what they do everyday in church,and yes on job creations i am pretty sure you do know that to own an international tv station, in england,south africa and in nigeria is part of job creation and that is a lot of jobs for graduates and thousands of people....and i am sure you are aware not everybody comes out with 1st class in there respective course, he cannot help everyone, we as christians has a job to do and its in our hands to be successful in life, i choose not to be pooor and i do make use of the word of God and it works for me, it could work for anybody.....

Have you not heard that you are members of one body?  If the arm is hurting all the parts of the body are hurting.  You are not an Island.  If you have decided to be successful, it is your responsibility to carry others with you.  None should be lacking while others are enjoying as members of the body of Christ.

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- joyjumper at 12-01-2011 08:38 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: nateskin200 on 12-01-2011 08:01 PM
One truth I know is that your so-called Christ Embassy members are sending emails online asking for money so they can print out so many copies of Rhapsody of Realities on behalf of Christ Embassy.

Glad to read that you condemn the gate fee option.  Glad to hear that Pastor Chris has done some good works in the past in people's life.  Now go and talk to him to repent of the directions he is taking the Ministry to.

If he was printing the bible in 50 different languages to distribute, I will actually be grateful.  I do not need to see his face and his wife's face all over the hotels either.  I will prefer to see the bible printed by Christ Embassy, that is my humble opinion.

He can feed the poor that is good, but he needs to create sustainable employment and businesses for his members so they will not continue to have needs.

I do not advocate that people that serve God should lack.  I am advocating that regardless of people's position in the church that none of them should lack from the pastors down to the floor cleaner, etc.  They are all serving God are they not?


I do not need to tell my pastor to repent on the direction he is taking the church to, he is a man of God and there are different levels in christianity, we can not get it right at once, there is a toddler in christianity and there is a babe in christianity, and there is an adult in christianity, everyone makes mistakes and christ embassy member who solicits for money to print rhapsody of realities are doing it for there own good, even if you print bible in 50 different languages people who will not read it will not, and rhapsody of realities is just a guide on how to read the whole bible within a year....

Pastor chris helps people till date and not just in the past, it is what they do everyday in church,and yes on job creations i am pretty sure you do know that to own an international tv station, in england,south africa and in nigeria is part of job creation and that is a lot of jobs for graduates and thousands of people....and i am sure you are aware not everybody comes out with 1st class in there respective course, he cannot help everyone, we as christians has a job to do and its in our hands to be successful in life, i choose not to be pooor and i do make use of the word of God and it works for me, it could work for anybody.....

We are all joint heirs to the throne.  A man of God is the same as any other members of the body of Christ.  The man of God is actually the servant of the people.  He makes mistakes you correct him like you admonish all other brothers and sisters.
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- nateskin200 at 12-01-2011 08:42 PM (13 years ago)
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Have you not heard that you are members of one body?  If the arm is hurting all the parts of the body are hurting.  You are not an Island.  If you have decided to be successful, it is your responsibility to carry others with you.  None should be lacking while others are enjoying as members of the body of Christ.


Do you practice this your are preaching? you help everyone who comes to you for help, you cannot help the whole word, we are body of christ and jesus christ expect us to be to do things by ourself, we are expected as christians to use the word and develop it on our own, if you do help everyone i am sure beggers on the street will be minimal now, what is needed is to impact the word of God in there lives so they could go out too and help others, i do help people a lot of times but i believe they could do better by helping themselves also and that is putting the word of God into use....we are not suppose to be stagnant,the ones i help i expect them to help others also...i want the people i help to be more successive than i am so they could help others...and this world we are living in,not everyone will be rich and i am sure you are still yet to help the entire member of your family so please write something more that is practical...and stop writing what you are not practicing
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- chico911 at 12-01-2011 08:47 PM (13 years ago)
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I ONLY SAID WHAT I WITNESS SO I CAN NOT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT I DON'T SEE BY MYSELF
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- joyjumper at 12-01-2011 10:19 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: nateskin200 on 12-01-2011 08:42 PM
Have you not heard that you are members of one body?  If the arm is hurting all the parts of the body are hurting.  You are not an Island.  If you have decided to be successful, it is your responsibility to carry others with you.  None should be lacking while others are enjoying as members of the body of Christ.


Do you practice this your are preaching? you help everyone who comes to you for help, you cannot help the whole word, we are body of christ and jesus christ expect us to be to do things by ourself, we are expected as christians to use the word and develop it on our own, if you do help everyone i am sure beggers on the street will be minimal now, what is needed is to impact the word of God in there lives so they could go out too and help others, i do help people a lot of times but i believe they could do better by helping themselves also and that is putting the word of God into use....we are not suppose to be stagnant,the ones i help i expect them to help others also...i want the people i help to be more successive than i am so they could help others...and this world we are living in,not everyone will be rich and i am sure you are still yet to help the entire member of your family so please write something more that is practical...and stop writing what you are not practicing
Please visit 2Corinthians 8:13-15 to see how a true church of God is supposed be behave.  You can continue to attack personally if you want.  We are members of the body of Christ.  I am speaking to what tithings and offerings are supposed to be used for.  We as individuals outside the body of Christ will continue to do our best, but the body as the congregation, the tithes and offerings are to be used to help those that are members of the church.

2Corinthians 8:13-15
13For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

   14But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

   15As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

Read the verse if you need further explanations, I will help.  Remain blessed.
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- freeman3 at 12-01-2011 11:25 PM (13 years ago)
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na today it start?the ones that paid the money are they going for football match or see pastor chris or to pray to GOD? if it is to pray to God, i am sure GOD will not be around to answer them.because he have many people to attend to.HOW CAN SOMEONE PAY MONEY TO WORSHIP GOD. NAWOOO CHI BOO ANU OZO.
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- Michaelolaoluwa at 13-01-2011 02:02 AM (13 years ago)
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no comment but its beta to hear chris out first
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- joyjumper at 13-01-2011 04:16 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: Michaelolaoluwa on 13-01-2011 02:02 AM
no comment but its beta to hear chris out first
It is now 12 days and chris is not speaking?
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- amenzekris at 13-01-2011 05:04 AM (13 years ago)
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The Pastor is of the devil, ogun priest is better than him
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- joyjumper at 13-01-2011 08:40 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: amenzekris on 13-01-2011 05:04 AM
The Pastor is of the devil, ogun priest is better than him

Pray for him to repent and that he has good people surrounding him that will advise him to repent.  Moses, David were all great men of God.  They were with faults but what differentiated them from some of these so called pastors of today is repentance both privately and publicly.

I just learnt today that Pastor Chris and his wife Anita are separated.

Are these people Christians? No or yes?
http://thestreetjournal.org/pages/content/view/160/58/
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20101117/news/news1.html
http://www.modernghana.com/news/216384/1/christ-embassy-concealed-sex-scandal-exposed-part-.html 
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Pastors-Sex-Scandal-Rocks-Black-Evangelical-Church-5172
http://ealib-news.blogspot.com/2008/09/kiweweesi-bum-sex-scandal-deepens.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/us/26pastor.html?_r=1
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/SportsArchive/artikel.php?ID=194239
http://www.anorak.co.uk/226550/strange-but-true/headline-of-the-year-ugandan-pastor-in-bum-sex-scandal.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6400791.stm
http://www.cybernewsfeed.com/2010/09/23/man-accused-of-killing-pastor-for-molesting-his-daughter/

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- MissyBarbie at 13-01-2011 08:54 AM (13 years ago)
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- joyjumper at 13-01-2011 09:04 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: MissyBarbie on 13-01-2011 08:54 AM
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- mozgal at 13-01-2011 09:54 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: MissyBarbie on 13-01-2011 08:54 AM
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Hey, l know when the devil is talking and this is exactly him, he will try to quote God's Word but put lies like this, do you stay with Pastor Chris and Pastor Anita to know they are separated. You have been saying the same thing since 2008 its now 2011. Shame on you devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- ozo77 at 13-01-2011 01:38 PM (13 years ago)
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The issue of entry fees being demanded for by a particular pastor does not surprise me one bit........the HOLY BIBLE is such a complex book that every/any sugar coated,sharp and intelligent person(s) can always swindle,deceive and convince a group (s)of people to buy his/her own idea(s) concerning what the HOLY BIBLE is about.There is always a way out of every/any obvious wrong doings and there is always a part of the HOLY BIBLE  that "justifies" their actions...........they end up telling u to always do as they say and not as they do,but they will be the first to tell u that we learn by immitations in some favourable occasions.I STRONGLY AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH MY BRO WEY SAY.........NA THOSE WEY THEY PAY DULL PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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- ozo77 at 13-01-2011 01:45 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: joyjumper on 13-01-2011 04:16 AM
Quote from: Michaelolaoluwa on 13-01-2011 02:02 AM
no comment but its beta to hear chris out first
It is now 12 days and chris is not speakin
Y would his church members still continue to talk positively about him?
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- nateskin200 at 13-01-2011 02:13 PM (13 years ago)
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The Pastor is of the devil, ogun priest is better than him
Pray for him to repent and that he has good people surrounding him that will advise him to repent.  Moses, David were all great men of God.  They were with faults but what differentiated them from some of these so called pastors of today is repentance both privately and publicly.

I just learnt today that Pastor Chris and his wife Anita are separated.

Are these people Christians? No or yes?
http://thestreetjournal.org/pages/content/view/160/58/
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20101117/news/news1.html
http://www.modernghana.com/news/216384/1/christ-embassy-concealed-sex-scandal-exposed-part-.html
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Pastors-Sex-Scandal-Rocks-Black-Evangelical-Church-5172
http://ealib-news.blogspot.com/2008/09/kiweweesi-bum-sex-scandal-deepens.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/us/26pastor.html?_r=1
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/SportsArchive/artikel.php?ID=194239
http://www.anorak.co.uk/226550/strange-but-true/headline-of-the-year-ugandan-pastor-in-bum-sex-scandal.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6400791.stm
http://www.cybernewsfeed.com/2010/09/23/man-accused-of-killing-pastor-for-molesting-his-daughter/

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Dont you think you are going a bit far with all this.... you seem to me to be very intelligent person why dont you direct your intelligence to something more meaningful, you criticize men of God you said pastor and his wife are divorced, for your information, i am a founding member of christ embassy docklands with pastor anita and she heads christ embassy europe in general, you divert your energy into affecting peoples life on this page or debate on something more sensible, youve quoted the bible how many of it did you make use of? how has the word of God affected your life? i am done talking about pastor chris or argue about it but i need to put it out there to you in particular, you should pray for forgiveness and stop criticizing every man of God, no one in the bible as men of God are perfect they all make there mistakes and that is why he is God, he forgives and expect us to do better.

But man i just dont get you at all,put up your real pictures on here and stop been a coward, what God has used pastor chris to do in my own life, my family and my friends with his teachings has been awesome and i will keep praying for him that God should uphold him and should be able to be steadfast in his walk of faith....Get a life and stop castigating men of God
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- elton12 at 13-01-2011 02:59 PM (13 years ago)
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This is end time. This is unheard of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the church of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we call God the God of the poor. That means that the poor have no place in the church of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christ Embassy is NO CHURCH. Pastor Oyakhilome, if it's true?Huh?? God will destroy you cos you have done an abomination in the sight of heaven and earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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