Message to Parents

Date: 15-08-2011 3:06 pm (10 years ago) | Author: CHATTY REAL
- at 15-08-2011 03:06 PM (10 years ago)
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Dear Parents,
In view of the obvious fufilment of bible prophecy at 2Timothy 3: 1-5, there is an urgent need for parents to be at alert regarding their children and their life style. Train a child in the right path and it will never depart from him.
Many parents have after school teacher for their children with heavy payment, but do you allow a bible teacher even though it is free of charge?  Share this experience;

It was a Sunday Moring, a woman heard a knock on her door and she opened only to meet a 7 year old boy who said " good moring ma, i have a message for you"...then he opened the bible and read Revelation 21:3&4. then he ask the woman "Do you believe this?"
The woman just look at him and said " I wish you are my son"
How would you feel if you are the parent of that boy and you were standing behind him when the woman commends him?

Many people think children are too young to learn and teach about God. So they postpone that knowledge. But are you suprised to see your children stretch an insulting palm to someone and said (your father/your mother). how did they know that?
Parents, compare and contrast:
The number of bible verses your kids can quote  vs Number of  obscene songs your little ones can sing off hand.
The number of bible stories  vs  The number of violence and horror movies they can narrate.
Who are their role models?

God fearing parents should know that there are lots of things children can learn from God, such as these:

1.  Psalm 83:18 (Teach that God has a personal name and he is a real person that can be known)
 2. Colossians 3:20 (Teach children to be obedient to parent and please God)
3. Acts 10 34&35 ( Love and respect all people, no matter their colour or race)
4. Exodus 22:22-24  ( God hear prayer from children, so they should learn a short prayer)
5. Colosians 2: 13 ( Children should forgive others no matter what)

Remember, children's brain are like plain white paper, whatever you store on it is what they accept.

Posted: at 15-08-2011 03:06 PM (10 years ago) | Newbie
- wandepope at 16-08-2011 08:28 AM (10 years ago)
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You are right.GOD should help us.
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- CammyWhite at 16-08-2011 12:56 PM (10 years ago)
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Reciting the Bible does not automatically make you into a good person.
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- mchinwendu at 16-08-2011 07:42 PM (10 years ago)
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Very informative letter to parents, thank you very much. 

As well, there are times when God speaks to a person through a child.  God may be telling the parents (or person) something but they are resisting; God will send it through the child.  It will be the exact thing, word for word, that God has already said to the parents (or the person)...making it now a confirmation. 

You said it is very important to train a child to go the right way and it's also true.  If a child is introduced to the real God through Jesus Christ at a young age, no one will ever be able to convince him/her that God is not real.  God will have protected, taught and guided the child through so so many things...all the way to adulthood.   Our God is too great ooo
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- CammyWhite at 16-08-2011 11:44 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mchinwendu on 16-08-2011 07:42 PM
Very informative letter to parents, thank you very much. 

As well, there are times when God speaks to a person through a child.  God may be telling the parents (or person) something but they are resisting; God will send it through the child.  It will be the exact thing, word for word, that God has already said to the parents (or the person)...making it now a confirmation. 

You said it is very important to train a child to go the right way and it's also true.  If a child is introduced to the real God through Jesus Christ at a young age, no one will ever be able to convince him/her that God is not real.  God will have protected, taught and guided the child through so so many things...all the way to adulthood.   Our God is too great ooo

You know, indoctrinating young children is usually called 'brainwashing'.
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- mchinwendu at 17-08-2011 03:25 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 16-08-2011 11:44 PM
Quote from: mchinwendu on 16-08-2011 07:42 PM
Very informative letter to parents, thank you very much. 

As well, there are times when God speaks to a person through a child.  God may be telling the parents (or person) something but they are resisting; God will send it through the child.  It will be the exact thing, word for word, that God has already said to the parents (or the person)...making it now a confirmation. 

You said it is very important to train a child to go the right way and it's also true.  If a child is introduced to the real God through Jesus Christ at a young age, no one will ever be able to convince him/her that God is not real.  God will have protected, taught and guided the child through so so many things...all the way to adulthood.   Our God is too great ooo

You know, indoctrinating young children is usually called 'brainwashing'.

An introduction, which is the word I used, is not indoctrination and far from brainwashing.  If one is introduced, their will is still very much intact; and the moment WILL come when they will choose to accept or reject what was introduced.  Brainwashing is a form of violating ones will; and their choice to accept or reject is stripped away and they are forced to accept.    
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- CammyWhite at 17-08-2011 04:08 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mchinwendu on 17-08-2011 03:25 AM
Quote from: CammyWhite on 16-08-2011 11:44 PM
Quote from: mchinwendu on 16-08-2011 07:42 PM
Very informative letter to parents, thank you very much. 

As well, there are times when God speaks to a person through a child.  God may be telling the parents (or person) something but they are resisting; God will send it through the child.  It will be the exact thing, word for word, that God has already said to the parents (or the person)...making it now a confirmation. 

You said it is very important to train a child to go the right way and it's also true.  If a child is introduced to the real God through Jesus Christ at a young age, no one will ever be able to convince him/her that God is not real.  God will have protected, taught and guided the child through so so many things...all the way to adulthood.   Our God is too great ooo

You know, indoctrinating young children is usually called 'brainwashing'.

An introduction, which is the word I used, is not indoctrination and far from brainwashing.  If one is introduced, their will is still very much intact; and the moment WILL come when they will choose to accept or reject what was introduced.  Brainwashing is a form of violating ones will; and their choice to accept or reject is stripped away and they are forced to accept.    

If you limit the child to just one religion and one set of views, I call it indoctrination and brainwashing.
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- mchinwendu at 17-08-2011 03:15 PM (10 years ago)
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@CammyWhite

Sadly, there are some that do live in a cult like environment.  Everything is controlled.  What they do, what they say and even what they think are force fed to them.  Anything that challenges aspects of what is being forced is removed, not allowed, prohibited, etc. 

Many of us do not live in such seclution.  We will be exposed to different views from living, working and playing.  Schools teach history which includes alot of what a people believed religiously.   A parent has to teach a child what is right and it starts right from the womb.  And though the parents teaches a child what is right, even that view will be challanged by those who do not agree.  And, so it goes when introducing a child to spiritual things.  It too will be challenged.   Even though a child is introduced to the parents faith, it doesn't mean the child will truly accept it.  We have countless examples of this.  The child will hear and learn of other beliefs, and the child if has open communication with parents will discuss what they hear, talk to their parents and form their conclusion.  But, a parent should not share religious beliefs of others with a child in the sense of exposing them for knowledge sake, when they may not even be ready mentally or emotionally to handle such.   I hope this is not what you advocate?  At appropriate times, a parent is to share their beliefs, convictions and values, some life experiences, etc., with their children, even doing all this does not guarantee the child falls in line.  Why?  Because the child's will is still intact.  The child will gather information, ask quesions, receive answers and still have to accept or reject whatever is said or taught to him or her.   It is not a forced thing.  This is the perspective I am speaking from. 
 
So, my dear it's not just as you shared.  Though, you are right on, when referring to the extreme cases that clearly cross the boundary into indoctrination and brainwashing.     
 
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- CammyWhite at 18-08-2011 02:39 PM (10 years ago)
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My mother died when I was two and I never knew her. My father was, and still is, a drunken self-pitying thug. I am glad that my brother and I are nothing like him. What he thought was right included bigotry, dishonesty, and casual violence,
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- mchinwendu at 18-08-2011 04:42 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 18-08-2011 02:39 PM
My mother died when I was two and I never knew her. My father was, and still is, a drunken self-pitying thug. I am glad that my brother and I are nothing like him. What he thought was right included bigotry, dishonesty, and casual violence,

@CammyWhite
So sorry to hear your mom passed away, my condolensences to you and your family my dear.   

My previous comment was actually sharing from the perspective of an how introduction to God during childhood differs from indoctrination or brainwashing.  Even when parents fulfill their roles and train up a child, teaching them the right way to go; the child can still choose to go the wrong way.  Unfortunately, when parents do not fulfill their roles, a child is left unprotected.  If now coupled with live demonstrations of the wrong way to go; the child too can still choose to go the right way.  We deceive ourself sometimes.

Respectfully, some parents do believe certain things are right such as what you shared in your comment (and more), but if it steals, destroys or kills any part of our being or another human being, it's a faulty belief and it is not right.  Though, you and your brother were introducted and exposed to the above beliefs and actions your father shared; it was also challenged, right?  Am I correct in saying that you and your brother chose to reject what was being taught to you (regarding the above) and now hold different beliefs?

As for me, I accepted Jesus when I was 9yrs, but I grew up being physically, mentally and emotionally abused; and forced to watch my sister and brother endure the same, from the age of 5yrs until the age of 13yrs.  There is no doubt in my mind as to the kind of person I could have chose to become without God in my life.  He instructed me to make many course corrections along the way... just so glad I did.   When we are born, it is for our own good that God places us in a family.  And, that family is suppose to show the child the right way to go.  When parents do not fulfill their role, children are left unprotected.

God bless you
 
 
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- CammyWhite at 19-08-2011 12:42 PM (10 years ago)
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Mchinwendu, my brother is a regular soldier and atheist. The closest that he has to a religion is to honour the Anzac legend at the core of our national identity. I chose the Asatru faith because it does not demand surrender and subservience and grovelling as so many other faiths do. I am not sheeple and I never will be.
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- mchinwendu at 20-08-2011 01:15 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 19-08-2011 12:42 PM
Mchinwendu, my brother is a regular soldier and atheist. The closest that he has to a religion is to honour the Anzac legend at the core of our national identity. I chose the Asatru faith because it does not demand surrender and subservience and grovelling as so many other faiths do. I am not sheeple and I never will be.


I have not heard of your faith Asatru before; nor the Anzac legend(s)...interesting.  I will have to take a look. 
 
When I was still 13yrs, in the summer, we were removed from the home of the relatives that abused my sister, brother and I.   Shortly after, I began taking serious martial arts (karate) classes because I vowed I would never allow anyone to treat me the way those relatives did all those years.  I was a young Christian yes, but I told myself I would not be a doormat for anybody, for any reason.  Honestly, I had the thought that being a Christian meant that I would have to be a doormat for people.  So, it became an area of my life that God had to work on (a course correction) because I was not willing to be a doormat for people to treat me any how, for any reason.  I continued my martial arts training until I began training for my black belt, then all of a sudden, there was a change.  (That's a whole other story) The gist is that I no longer pursued martial arts training, because the interest was gone, just like that.  I was hired for one very nice job.  I didn't know that these people would be the ones that try to ruin my life, for no reason other than I was not like them and I did my job well. 
 
It was while working for this organization that God demonstrated "live" that the thought that I had of Christians being doormats, etc. was very untrue.  At 13, I was too young to really understand, but God knew that.  I thank God for being so very patient with me, and for protecting me, when, I, myself was unaware of what was going on in secret.  I was managing personnel and controlling inventory worth thousands of dollars.  Do you know that two top people in this company tried to set me up and make it look like I stole thousands of dollars? I did not steal any money or property but I could have been sent to jail for many years for something I did not even do.  But, God was watching out for me all along.  God prompted me to do something, though I didn't understand it, I did it.  Do you know that this very thing that God prompted me to do, was the very thing that proved that these two people were lying against me.  I myself was too amazed!  I didn't even know God could moved on our behalf like this.  That was the brief of that incident but there was even more going on...and God took care of and exposed each one and each person one by one.  All the people watching were amazed as well!  God protected me in that situation (and others) better than I ever could have.  From that moment on, I now understood why it seemed like Christians were doormats.  If one spitefully does evil to a Christian, and that Christian does what he/she is suppose to do; stand on right, don't retalitate, stay in the word and follow God's instructions...the one whose doing evil should know that the Christian has turned the case over to God.  God is our avenger and when God takes care of the matter, it is taken care of 100%; without us sinning and having to eat our bad acts (so to speak).  That one who is doing evil...oooh my goodness, may not even survive the battle they started.  I too trust God, the One who sees all and guides his people around all traps of life!  Glory to God, the Creator of heaven, earth and mankind!
 
There are numerous misconceptions about Christians.  The surrender that many think of, does not include being mindless, nor does it include groveling, or being a doormat, sheeple, or etc.  God only wants the best for us, and He advises us accordingly.
 
     
Religion, 99% of it is a deception.  There is only one pure form of religion. Christianity is not a religion.    
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- CammyWhite at 20-08-2011 03:12 AM (10 years ago)
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There is only one pure form of religion. Christianity is not a religion.

Of course it's a religion! It's certainly not politics.
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- mchinwendu at 20-08-2011 09:52 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-08-2011 03:12 AM
There is only one pure form of religion. Christianity is not a religion.

Of course it's a religion! It's certainly not politics.

Christianity is definitely not politics and true it has been placed in the category of religion.  Allow me to rephrase: religion asks the question, what must I do to be right with God? Only Christianity asks, what has God done for me to be right with Him?
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- CammyWhite at 20-08-2011 11:54 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mchinwendu on 20-08-2011 09:52 PM
Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-08-2011 03:12 AM
There is only one pure form of religion. Christianity is not a religion.

Of course it's a religion! It's certainly not politics.

Christianity is definitely not politics and true it has been placed in the category of religion.  Allow me to rephrase: religion asks the question, what must I do to be right with God? Only Christianity asks, what has God done for me to be right with Him?

Well, since it has to do with worshipping a deity, it's religion. As for the distinction you draw, the Christians who've tried to convert me have always put it as my duty to Yahweh, not as Yahweh's duty to me.
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- mchinwendu at 21-08-2011 03:18 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-08-2011 11:54 PM
Quote from: mchinwendu on 20-08-2011 09:52 PM
Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-08-2011 03:12 AM
There is only one pure form of religion. Christianity is not a religion.

Of course it's a religion! It's certainly not politics.

Christianity is definitely not politics and true it has been placed in the category of religion.  Allow me to rephrase: religion asks the question, what must I do to be right with God? Only Christianity asks, what has God done for me to be right with Him?

Well, since it has to do with worshipping a deity, it's religion. As for the distinction you draw, the Christians who've tried to convert me have always put it as my duty to Yahweh, not as Yahweh's duty to me.

I will agree, it is true, that Christianity is placed in the category of religion...how about we agree to disagree on this point?   

In many of the religions I have looked at, they all had prescribed actions, etc. that the followers have to continually do to be worthy or be considered worthy.   In Christianity, God has already done everything for us; he's given us the power to overcome sin, he gives us eternal life, he gives us freedom, he gives us a living witness, he gives us love and protection, he gives us knowledge and wisdom, he gives us mercy and grace, he gives us peace, he makes us worthy and so much more; and he will never leaves us.   Through this great journey of life, God is with us all the way.  The above shared and more...all of this is a free gift.  There are no works or nothing we can ever do to earn the free gift...absolutely nothing.   All comes with accepting God through Jesus Christ.  As for me, I can not convert anyone nor do I try.  But, I do share the Good News of God's free gift through Jesus Christ, while living the life myself.   

Just like one can not understand chemical engineering jargon (talk/words) unless one is a chemical engineer, or medical terminology unless one is in the medical profession, and so many others...it is the same in living the Christian life.  If one has not yet read the Bible and have been going off what other people have been saying about the Bible and what it says, I gently encourage any and everyone to began reading it firsthand.  After reading it, the decision is still very much the person's decision to make whether to accept or reject.  No matter what anyone says or does, NO ONE on this earth can take this right away from a person (in this respect), nor can anyone else make this decision for another person.
 
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- CammyWhite at 21-08-2011 10:13 PM (10 years ago)
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In many of the religions I have looked at, they all had prescribed actions, etc. that the followers have to continually do to be worthy or be considered worthy.

Hmm... and the Ten Commandments aren't things that Christians must obey?
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- mchinwendu at 22-08-2011 07:53 PM (10 years ago)
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  God has always showed mercy and grace to mankind even after the first murder took place, but the rate of sin was increasing rapidly upon the earth. 
 
In brief, the 10 commandments was given to the children of Israel under the covenant of the old testament (in the Bible).  The 10 commandments were given to save people from destroying others and themselves through sinful acts.  Following the 10 commandments kept people from receiving the immediate effect of their sins...judgment and death.  God judged sin in the deadly seriousness that it is.  He doesn't want us to hurt or suffer, nor does he want the innocent to hurt or suffer.  The law could never transform anyone's life from the inside out, as it was a temporary measure of restraining the spread of sin until the fulfillment of the law...Jesus Christ. 
 
This illustration comes to mind:
Say there is a enclosed room as large as a football field.  Nothing is in the room, not even people.  At last, someone enters the room. Another time a family enters the room and so it goes until about 1000 people are in the room.  Everyone is getting along, everything is fine...then all of a sudden, someone commits a deadly crime against another.  The action has to be dealt with, would it be just not to dealt with it? If you were the leader of this group of 1000, how would you justly handle the crime?   

Let's say because of this act, a never ending bouncing and ricocheting ball with killer spikes has now been allowed to enter the room through the act of the one who committed the crime.  The ball will continuously bounce on the the floor, walls, ceilings and people!  When the ball hits a person, they are hurt or killed; it could hit one person injuring them and the person falls over and hurt an innocent person who was not even hit by the ball; the spike ball will even bounce against and hit innocent people.  Why?  Because they are in the room too.  Imagine, if now other people began committing crimes, and with each crime committed, more bouncing balls with spikes entered the room.  Wouldn't something have to be done to stop people from committing these crimes and allowing the entrance of new spike balls into the room? You, being the leader of this 1000, what would be your remedy to the growing problem?

Using this story, the room is equivalent to the world and the bouncing ball with spikes represents sin.  Once a sin is committed it does not die, which is why God instructs us not to do it.  It allows havoc in ways we can not imagine; it affects people's lives knowingly and unknowingly.  The acts of sin kills people physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.  It is the reason why sometimes bad things happen to good people...innocent people; they are in the world and so is sin.
 
Jesus fulfilled the law in every way, and those who accept Jesus have been redeemed from the law and transferred into grace.  Those who accept Jesus are transformed from the inside out and is under the covenant of the new testament (in the Bible).  With Jesus Christ, the power of sin is destroyed.  It's like being in the room with the bouncing spike balls and no matter which way they come, that person is covered.  Jesus Christ is our protection.  Jesus is our righteous that God sees and accepts.  Though we in the new covenant with God and not under the law (10 Commandments or judgment), the 10 Commandments is important because it lets us know God's standards.  In Jesus Christ, we met those standards (though, there is more to this). 
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- CammyWhite at 23-08-2011 02:18 PM (10 years ago)
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Sorry, but your analogies just leave me baffled.
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- mchinwendu at 23-08-2011 07:02 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 23-08-2011 02:18 PM
Sorry, but your analogies just leave me baffled.

Sorry about that my dear...no worries
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