Why is Abortion such a hot potato? (Page 4)

Date: 25-08-2011 3:40 am (12 years ago) | Author: Franklyn Adam
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- FlyMamacita at 26-08-2011 06:39 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 06:46 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:36 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:26 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:21 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 05:52 PM
Ladies who are up in arms defending women's rights, consider that apart from third world countries, in Western Europe abortion-on-demand clinics are heavily funded by central government. In my view this encourages laxity and moral decadence. Why? If a woman has to pay for it, she will think twice before segxwal indulgence. This is therefore a poor use of public fund.

@ gibsonpally, I commend your points but let's face reality. Public funds are used to enable poor women to access the same medical services as rich women, and abortion is one of these services. Funding abortion is no different from funding a war in the Mideast. For those who are opposed, the place to express outrage is in the voting booth.

Again very good reasoning beautiful Rose, but unfortunately those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.

@ gibsonpally, beautiful exchange from you but remember that teenagers who become mothers have grim prospects for the future. They are much more likely to drop out of school; receive inadequate prenatal care; rely on public assistance to raise a child; develop health problems; or end up divorced. It is therefore proper to spare them that terrible life experience and to achieve this, abortion is the best option.

Child rearing is not a simple task. That is why the society must reform and go back to strict morality code. A teenager has no business playing mum and dad when she cannot even sustain herself. Moral decadence is at the root of this problem. It is therefore essential to observe strict moral code and not this segxwal abandonment in the age of space and internet without repercussion.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 06:51 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.
Posted: at 26-08-2011 06:51 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- Rosemerry at 26-08-2011 06:56 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:46 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:36 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:26 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:21 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 05:52 PM
Ladies who are up in arms defending women's rights, consider that apart from third world countries, in Western Europe abortion-on-demand clinics are heavily funded by central government. In my view this encourages laxity and moral decadence. Why? If a woman has to pay for it, she will think twice before segxwal indulgence. This is therefore a poor use of public fund.

@ gibsonpally, I commend your points but let's face reality. Public funds are used to enable poor women to access the same medical services as rich women, and abortion is one of these services. Funding abortion is no different from funding a war in the Mideast. For those who are opposed, the place to express outrage is in the voting booth.

Again very good reasoning beautiful Rose, but unfortunately those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.

@ gibsonpally, beautiful exchange from you but remember that teenagers who become mothers have grim prospects for the future. They are much more likely to drop out of school; receive inadequate prenatal care; rely on public assistance to raise a child; develop health problems; or end up divorced. It is therefore proper to spare them that terrible life experience and to achieve this, abortion is the best option.

Child rearing is not a simple task. That is why the society must reform and go back to strict morality code. A teenager has no business playing mum and dad when she cannot even sustain herself. Moral decadence is at the root of this problem. It is therefore essential to observe strict moral code and not this segxwal abandonment in the age of space and internet without repercussion.

@ gibsonpally, like any other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet it had been psychologically proven that stress was greatest prior to an abortion, and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome

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- FlyMamacita at 26-08-2011 06:59 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:51 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.

Ur right...but ppl wud betta forget abt stereotype and just do their own tin.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 07:02 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:56 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:46 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:36 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:26 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:21 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 05:52 PM
Ladies who are up in arms defending women's rights, consider that apart from third world countries, in Western Europe abortion-on-demand clinics are heavily funded by central government. In my view this encourages laxity and moral decadence. Why? If a woman has to pay for it, she will think twice before segxwal indulgence. This is therefore a poor use of public fund.

@ gibsonpally, I commend your points but let's face reality. Public funds are used to enable poor women to access the same medical services as rich women, and abortion is one of these services. Funding abortion is no different from funding a war in the Mideast. For those who are opposed, the place to express outrage is in the voting booth.

Again very good reasoning beautiful Rose, but unfortunately those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.

@ gibsonpally, beautiful exchange from you but remember that teenagers who become mothers have grim prospects for the future. They are much more likely to drop out of school; receive inadequate prenatal care; rely on public assistance to raise a child; develop health problems; or end up divorced. It is therefore proper to spare them that terrible life experience and to achieve this, abortion is the best option.

Child rearing is not a simple task. That is why the society must reform and go back to strict morality code. A teenager has no business playing mum and dad when she cannot even sustain herself. Moral decadence is at the root of this problem. It is therefore essential to observe strict moral code and not this segxwal abandonment in the age of space and internet without repercussion.

@ gibsonpally, like any other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet it had been psychologically proven that stress was greatest prior to an abortion, and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome



@ Rosemerry, I see that you have taken a very hard stand comparable to steel. We shall continue this very highly interesting and educative discourse at a later time, sweetie. Best and kindest regards.
Posted: at 26-08-2011 07:02 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- Rosemerry at 26-08-2011 07:06 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 07:02 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:56 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:46 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:36 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:26 PM
Quote from: Rosemerry on 26-08-2011 06:21 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 05:52 PM
Ladies who are up in arms defending women's rights, consider that apart from third world countries, in Western Europe abortion-on-demand clinics are heavily funded by central government. In my view this encourages laxity and moral decadence. Why? If a woman has to pay for it, she will think twice before segxwal indulgence. This is therefore a poor use of public fund.

@ gibsonpally, I commend your points but let's face reality. Public funds are used to enable poor women to access the same medical services as rich women, and abortion is one of these services. Funding abortion is no different from funding a war in the Mideast. For those who are opposed, the place to express outrage is in the voting booth.

Again very good reasoning beautiful Rose, but unfortunately those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.

@ gibsonpally, beautiful exchange from you but remember that teenagers who become mothers have grim prospects for the future. They are much more likely to drop out of school; receive inadequate prenatal care; rely on public assistance to raise a child; develop health problems; or end up divorced. It is therefore proper to spare them that terrible life experience and to achieve this, abortion is the best option.

Child rearing is not a simple task. That is why the society must reform and go back to strict morality code. A teenager has no business playing mum and dad when she cannot even sustain herself. Moral decadence is at the root of this problem. It is therefore essential to observe strict moral code and not this segxwal abandonment in the age of space and internet without repercussion.

@ gibsonpally, like any other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet it had been psychologically proven that stress was greatest prior to an abortion, and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome



@ Rosemerry, I see that you have taken a very hard stand comparable to steel. We shall continue this very highly interesting and educative discourse at a later time, sweetie. Best and kindest regards.

It has  been a very thrilling discussion, my dear Gibsonpally. I can't wait till the next time. Have a wonderful day, sweetie.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 07:13 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:59 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:51 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.

Ur right...but ppl wud betta forget abt stereotype and just do their own tin.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.


I think she has let her new found corporate power and financial independence get to her head. Can you imagine killing your own husband's child? We are not talking about product of adultery, rape or incest but lawful marriage! But some people want to defend the right of the woman to decide how she uses her body; when she wants to have children etc. The word marriage is being turned on its head.
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- FlyMamacita at 26-08-2011 07:14 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 07:13 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:59 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:51 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.

Ur right...but ppl wud betta forget abt stereotype and just do their own tin.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.


I think she has let her new found corporate power and financial independence get to her head. Can you imagine killing your own husband's child? We are not talking about product of adultery, rape or incest but lawful marriage! But some people want to defend the right of the woman to decide how she uses her body; when she wants to have children etc. The word marriage is being turned on its head.

Yes, sad but true.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 07:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 07:14 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 07:13 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:59 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:51 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.

Ur right...but ppl wud betta forget abt stereotype and just do their own tin.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.


I think she has let her new found corporate power and financial independence get to her head. Can you imagine killing your own husband's child? We are not talking about product of adultery, rape or incest but lawful marriage! But some people want to defend the right of the woman to decide how she uses her body; when she wants to have children etc. The word marriage is being turned on its head.

Yes, sad but true.

Very true but the human being himself is a very complex animal. Nothing about him is straightforward or perfect. We are only managing as best as we can in this big mystery called life.
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- smithengal at 26-08-2011 09:24 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 07:31 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 07:14 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 07:13 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:59 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 06:51 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


I support your stand and Iam sure majority of people who hear this will too. But you see, this western education had led some highly educated women to think that marriage is a union of equal partners.

Ur right...but ppl wud betta forget abt stereotype and just do their own tin.
Of course we are equal, but we must still realise the differences between MAN and WOMAN.
And understand the meaning of mariage....bcos to me this woman is not yet matured.


I think she has let her new found corporate power and financial independence get to her head. Can you imagine killing your own husband's child? We are not talking about product of adultery, rape or incest but lawful marriage! But some people want to defend the right of the woman to decide how she uses her body; when she wants to have children etc. The word marriage is being turned on its head.

Yes, sad but true.

Very true but the human being himself is a very complex animal. Nothing about him is straightforward or perfect. We are only managing as best as we can in this big mystery called life.

Indeed, life is a big mystery!
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 09:33 PM (12 years ago)
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Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.
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- smithengal at 26-08-2011 09:48 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 09:33 PM
Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.


Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies
the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn.
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 10:02 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 09:48 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 09:33 PM
Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.


Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies
the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn.


There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way.
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- smithengal at 26-08-2011 10:17 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 10:02 PM
Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 09:48 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 09:33 PM
Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.


Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies
the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn.


There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way.

My dear gibsonpally, no need to go into the gory details. That is playing on the emotions. Abortion affects women disproportionately
Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender. Pregnancy has an enormous effect on the woman involved. A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life. It is a matter of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy.

If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality; and if the constraint is imposed on the ground that the foetus has a right to life from the moment of conception, then it is saying that the woman is just a vessel for delivery, a child-making factory not at par with man!
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- gibsonpally at 26-08-2011 10:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 10:17 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 10:02 PM
Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 09:48 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 09:33 PM
Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.


Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies
the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn.


There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way.

My dear gibsonpally, no need to go into the gory details. That is playing on the emotions. Abortion affects women disproportionately
Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender. Pregnancy has an enormous effect on the woman involved. A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life. It is a matter of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy.

If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality; and if the constraint is imposed on the ground that the foetus has a right to life from the moment of conception, then it is saying that the woman is just a vessel for delivery, a child-making factory not at par with man!
At even less than 12 weeks gestation, the fetus is incredibly complex and human. Although not as developed a man, it is clearly different from other types of "tissue". The DNA is clearly, from the moment of conception, completely unique from everyone else on eart You talked about the mother's right? Well, the argument that she has the right to choose what happens to her own body is flawed. You would condenm a woman for smoking but give her medal for abortion?  Clearly both affect her body? In abortion, the baby is clearly separate in content and being than the mother. It is only riding with the mother for a few months. As humans, we should protect the helpless, including the unborn individual as it grows. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape

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- smithengal at 26-08-2011 10:50 PM (12 years ago)
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Dear Gibson, you are a serious advocate. But look at it this way. Here is the World making a big deal about human rights. Is it simply about men's rights or human rights? If is human rights it includes women! If so, I submit that every human being has the right to own their own body. The argument against abortion seems to deny this basic premise of universal human right for the female gender. The woman has absolute right over her own body, including what grows or exists inside her body and whether to carry it to full gestation or not.

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- danpatrick at 27-08-2011 06:03 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 10:50 PM
Dear Gibson, you are a serious advocate. But look at it this way. Here is the World making a big deal about human rights. Is it simply about men's rights or human rights? If is human rights it includes women! If so, I submit that every human being has the right to own their own body. The argument against abortion seems to deny this basic premise of universal human right for the female gender. The woman has absolute right over her own body, including what grows or exists inside her body and whether to carry it to full gestation or not.



You are right to a limited extent. The woman being a God-made mother means that society has a right to expect her not to kill those children God has given her. If she doesn't want them then it is better not to have unprotected sex or better still abstain from it.
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- danpatrick at 27-08-2011 06:05 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 10:31 PM
Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 10:17 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 10:02 PM
Quote from: smithengal on 26-08-2011 09:48 PM
Quote from: gibsonpally on 26-08-2011 09:33 PM
Given this admission that life is a big mystery, that is what God has created, who are we to destroy?
Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception. That is don't bring forth a life to be destroyed in a most horrific abortion procedure.


Eloquently put @ gibsonpally, but you would agree that women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies
the right to abortion is vital for gender equality -the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential such that banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists, thus the right to abortion should be part of a portfolio of pregnancy rights that enables women to make a truly free choice whether to end a pregnancy. This argument reminds us that even in the abortion debate, we should regard the woman as a person and not just as a container for the foetus. We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn.


There are various types of abortions and most obvious type that can be likened to pure blue murder is a type called "partial birth abortion' procedure where the life being destroyed is completely viable if born at that instant. The procedures involves cutting the back of the head that was partially delivered and the brains were scrambled using stainless steel instruments, and evacuated with a suction. This is clearly murder. Does the baby have a 'choice'? This fully formed baby needs no respirator and could go home shortly after birth. There can be no moral justification for a mother to kill her own flesh and blood in this horrific and painful way.

My dear gibsonpally, no need to go into the gory details. That is playing on the emotions. Abortion affects women disproportionately
Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender. Pregnancy has an enormous effect on the woman involved. A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life. It is a matter of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy.

If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality; and if the constraint is imposed on the ground that the foetus has a right to life from the moment of conception, then it is saying that the woman is just a vessel for delivery, a child-making factory not at par with man!
At even less than 12 weeks gestation, the fetus is incredibly complex and human. Although not as developed a man, it is clearly different from other types of "tissue". The DNA is clearly, from the moment of conception, completely unique from everyone else on eart You talked about the mother's right? Well, the argument that she has the right to choose what happens to her own body is flawed. You would condenm a woman for smoking but give her medal for abortion?  Clearly both affect her body? In abortion, the baby is clearly separate in content and being than the mother. It is only riding with the mother for a few months. As humans, we should protect the helpless, including the unborn individual as it grows. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape



Powerful stuff @ gibsonpally
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- brendivas at 27-08-2011 07:20 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 06:39 PM
Quote from: livingday on 26-08-2011 05:24 PM
Quote from: FlyMamacita on 26-08-2011 09:56 AM
What a stupid woman!!!! Why did she marry?? She is talking/dreaming
abt her carreer, havin unprotected sex and now wanna go for abortion?

If am her husband, and she will do such crap i will divorce her ASAP!!  Angry Angry

And who said u cant have a carreer AND a baby,  Huh? Huh?


I think her chief concern was she travelled extensively which formed a substantial part of her perks and also that her rising profile in line for legal services director would be seriously affected. Besides this, has a woman first right over her body?


Yes a woman has first right over her body. BUT as a married woman, u dont decide somtin like dat
on ur own. The husband and his family rily wants the child, so they must find a solution to it.
Why do such thing (abortion)?? This is a married couple, they will hav children anyway.


Yeah, they will have children anyway except that she's not ready for it right now
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