![-]( "amansu") amansu at 15-04-2012 04:45 AM (13 years ago)  (f) you're an archaic and primitive baboon......did i hear you say "beginner".? if you think you know your own koran, hadiths , sira and islamic sources , please feel free and walk with me.
and not hiding behind your 16th century desktop computer and say shit......if there are any verses or quotations that i quote that are really out of context, why not bring it out and lets try ..... rather than whispering like some whoop ass chimps.
you guys should come out and face me....am here for you half-dead monkey's.
Na u be d primitive old baboon, swine and dog mixed 2gether from isiewu moda. In the 16th century no computer dey, u silly half breed of ashawo | Posted: at 15-04-2012 04:45 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "amansu") amansu at 15-04-2012 04:51 AM (13 years ago) (f) What is there to understand ?? !, Islam is an embarrassment to modern mind !!, All Muslims are gripped with fevered fantasies of bloodbaths, what is happening in Nigeria today is a proven testament to the brutality of this evil religion that seeks to enslave all within it's reach !!! 
Luk dis bare-skulled vulture parading as human. May Allah fire dat ur long beak nd d A*#S harlot wey born u with gutter armed robber pig fada | Posted: at 15-04-2012 04:51 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "chimax33") chimax33 at 15-04-2012 06:05 AM (13 years ago) (m) Reply |
![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 15-04-2012 06:43 AM (13 years ago) (m) Did i hear you say "Insha-allah" fcuk your dumb and radical allah.......you product of bestiality, awkward and disease infested animal.
you will be beheaded for the crimes you committed against your own people and muhammad will insert his leprosy infested d*1*ck into your stinky ass in hell.
punk ass idiot.
look at it ? useless and dirty pig , that's the only things he knows how to do best , however , he who laugh last , laugh best , your end is approaching fastly and it will be so disastrous for you , idiot | Posted: at 15-04-2012 06:43 AM (13 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 15-04-2012 06:44 AM (13 years ago) (m) that is just it....so,i'm out!!!  GOD bless you so | Posted: at 15-04-2012 06:44 AM (13 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 15-04-2012 06:57 AM (13 years ago) (m) you know what? all your quotations are the best,and you deserve an award 4 it...hoooray!! you've succeeded in convincing me with your semi half knowledge,no need 2 start a new debate,want a debate? go and debate Ahmad deedat's video tapes,though the guy is dead now,but i bet you can't beat one third of his debates with your scholars and pastors,when you finish with his tapes,then u come 2 me,and only then i'll have a score 2 settle with u,till then,you are just no match 4 me Mr big blue handwriting psycho  GOD for bid bad things , shaik deedat in his day will never have listen to this idiot and lunatic , not to talk of debate with a real animal in human flesh , this make me remember his debate with that one called jimmy swagger, no one listen to that swagger any More now , and his ministry had since long colapse , this was the man said to be taking 600,000 dollar annually then and he was said to be netting about 150,000 dollar daily for his ministry, he was caught with a prostitute and the congregation colapse on him, that's the Christianity religion for you so , based on deceit , false god worshiping | Posted: at 15-04-2012 06:57 AM (13 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 15-04-2012 07:02 AM (13 years ago) (m) Reply |
For God sake are you laughing over your own Islamic sources ? i quoted the sources for you and all you could say was that they are fake........lol
go to any Islamic sources you know and search for this narration:
FROM IBN SA'D'S "KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR", translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, pages 30-31.
i personally spend alot of money to get this articles......if you can not get the direct sources, you can go online ans search for it.
FYI Ibn Ishaq also narrated the same incident you claimed to be lies........
Ibn Ishaq (A. Guilaume's translation "The Life of Muhammad") page 675, 676 : When the apostle heard what she had said he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, "You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so Umayr went back to his people.
why are you denying your own sources? these guys whom you well know are true Muslims, why do you think they would say something evil about Muhammad..? please give me an answer.....
thanks.
Are you frustrated? why wont i laugh? U made mention dat i am not a better muslim dan the Ibn Ishaq and co......hahahaa......Maybe i agree......But i think its right time we start doing it with exposure and knowledge...U mention hadith, but i will quickly refer you to [Quran, 3:164]
"Indeed, Allaah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran), and purifying them (from sins by their following him), and instructing them (in) the Book (the Quran) and Al-Hikmah [the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophet (i.e. his legal ways, statements and acts of worship)], while before that they had been in manifest error"
The reason for quoting this quran verse is because of what your sayings.....
(((((let me tell you things you don't know about the hadiths:
The hadith collections are the most important source for the Sunnah (example), i.e. the established model of Muhammad's words and deeds, which Muslims should be following.
Sahih (true) hadiths: those accepted to be the most authentic. Qudsi Hadiths: hadiths that record what Allah said)))
Those are your words, but do u pick what i quoted u just now?
""""""Indeed, Allaah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran).""""""""Do you know ur knowledge makes u a cleric? Do u know dat with my little knowledge + the support of others, i can make up my own version of hadiths or wateva?
Wise up man.....
Let me quickly refer you to [Quran, 7:33]
"Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are al-Fawaahishah (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful segxwal intercourse, etc.), whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppession, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge."
So my dear brother, when you go to the Quraan and you read a verse from the Quraan and you explain that verse without having the propher knowledge, without following the proper methodology, you might be and only Allaah swt knows, actually following your own hawaa, following your own desires, you might be following an inspiration from the Shaytaan, you might be following dhann (conjecture), which Allaah swt speaks about in many places in the Qur'aan, or it might actually be some kind of inspirataion from Allaah swt, but most likely it is not the last case. And why is it not the last case? Because as we will talk about it later, you did not follow the proper methodology of talking about the Qur'aan and if you did not follow a proper methodology of talking about the Quran, then you have committed a sin already. Just by talking about the Quraan, without proper knowledge, by giving interpretation of the Quraan, without proper knowledge, without proper background, without being qualified to do so, then you've already committed a sin. And since you are commiting a sin, it is very unlikely in most cases that Allaah swt will bless you through that sin to give you the right interpretation of the Quran.
To further more, I no dey brag ooo he just said (i am not a competent muslim to debate him) Our people will see what i'm about to analyse as bragging, but (na una ache)
U said i'm not a better muslim compared to Ibn Ishaq and co.......Narrating false hadiths and sayings of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)
What makes you better/best in what you do? Goals, determination, concentration, researches bla bla bla.....U said u personaly spent on research but i spent more or maybe i tried more harder in exploitation of knowledge.....
I have been visiting KSA since i was 13yrs old, av once b to Jerusalem, Isreal. My great great grandpas are BIG Sheiks....My dad was a sheik as well and has been to Isreal and Jerusalem times without number all in the sake of knowledge....and you know what he thought me and from what av learnt as well? Its simply dat both Christianity and Islam are God's chosen only has been complicated by our so called pastors and Alfas.....Get that straight.....U can debate me on dis TOPIC if u want....
You said u spent abt 11yrs studying Islam/quran bla bla bla......Fine.....But + my whole life of studying Islam.....
I visited KSA sometimes early 2007 and i spent 6mths making my researchs and i realized lots of things about ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY, Bible, Quran, Hadith e.t.c.......These books has been tampered with as the only book dat cant and will never be tampered with is the Holy Quran......Get that!!!
I spent abt 6mths as well in Jerusalem and u know what i discovered? U dont wanna know.....I dare you to make ur research as well.....
At this point in time, do u think am a better muslim? Do u think i am in the right/best position to debate u? Do u still want to keep the ball rolling? R u upto to d task? Do u really av the potentials to debate me?
I wait ur response | Posted: at 15-04-2012 07:16 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "chummyli") chummyli at 15-04-2012 07:55 AM (13 years ago) (f) All u muslems ar making browls hia cos ur mohammadu deceived u guys and makes u guys a trouble maker... I knw some pastors misbehave so as some of ur imam n alhajis. Stop quoting quaram n bibles hia instead talk of how we all gonna stop dis madnessa... Anyway is d sign of end times cos is written in mathew 24 dat a brother will arise against his brother , a nation against nation and wars will be every wia. Fake ppl will rise and claim to be him and will do signs n wonders but they ar all fake. I think d end is now and boko haram ar d instrument dat will bring war to dis country. What if after all dis killings and dy find themselves in hell or dos promises made to dm ar not fulfilled? Hmmmmmm... I always wonder if dy hv a brain to think of wat ppl tell dm and stop behaving like mumu. Someone will ask u to go n kill ursef dat ur family will be looked after, wen u r dead dy will marry ur wife... Why not dat dia leader go n suicide himself? Dats y I love igbo ppl dy don't think dis way... I rest ma case
Chummyli d Great... May ur days be elongated for Naijapalling... | Posted: at 15-04-2012 07:55 AM (13 years ago) | Hero | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 08:48 AM (13 years ago) (m)
Na u be d primitive old baboon, swine and dog mixed 2gether from isiewu moda. In the 16th century no computer dey, u silly half breed of ashawo
All this gibberish is just for me to notice you.........hello honeypot, you are not my match.
go and find your match......wh*re with maggot clouded honeypot.
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 08:48 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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All this gibberish is just for me to notice you.........hello p**sy, you are not my match.
go and find your match......wh*re with maggot clouded p**sy.
sup joe....i don dey wait u since oooo | Posted: at 15-04-2012 08:49 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 08:51 AM (13 years ago) (m) look at it ? useless and dirty pig , that's the only things he knows how to do best , however , he who laugh last , laugh best , your end is approaching fastly and it will be so disastrous for you , idiot
All your family will be consume by fire very soon.........you son a devil.
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 08:51 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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All your family will be consume by fire very soon.........you son a devil.
Joe....hw far? | Posted: at 15-04-2012 08:52 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 09:02 AM (13 years ago) (m)
Are you frustrated? why wont i laugh? U made mention dat i am not a better muslim dan the Ibn Ishaq and co......hahahaa......Maybe i agree......But i think its right time we start doing it with exposure and knowledge...U mention hadith, but i will quickly refer you to [Quran, 3:164]
"Indeed, Allaah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran), and purifying them (from sins by their following him), and instructing them (in) the Book (the Quran) and Al-Hikmah [the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophet (i.e. his legal ways, statements and acts of worship)], while before that they had been in manifest error"
The reason for quoting this quran verse is because of what your sayings.....
(((((let me tell you things you don't know about the hadiths:
The hadith collections are the most important source for the Sunnah (example), i.e. the established model of Muhammad's words and deeds, which Muslims should be following.
Sahih (true) hadiths: those accepted to be the most authentic. Qudsi Hadiths: hadiths that record what Allah said)))
Those are your words, but do u pick what i quoted u just now?
""""""Indeed, Allaah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran).""""""""Do you know ur knowledge makes u a cleric? Do u know dat with my little knowledge + the support of others, i can make up my own version of hadiths or wateva?
Wise up man.....
Let me quickly refer you to [Quran, 7:33]
"Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are al-Fawaahishah (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful segxwal intercourse, etc.), whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppession, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge."
So my dear brother, when you go to the Quraan and you read a verse from the Quraan and you explain that verse without having the propher knowledge, without following the proper methodology, you might be and only Allaah swt knows, actually following your own hawaa, following your own desires, you might be following an inspiration from the Shaytaan, you might be following dhann (conjecture), which Allaah swt speaks about in many places in the Qur'aan, or it might actually be some kind of inspirataion from Allaah swt, but most likely it is not the last case. And why is it not the last case? Because as we will talk about it later, you did not follow the proper methodology of talking about the Qur'aan and if you did not follow a proper methodology of talking about the Quran, then you have committed a sin already. Just by talking about the Quraan, without proper knowledge, by giving interpretation of the Quraan, without proper knowledge, without proper background, without being qualified to do so, then you've already committed a sin. And since you are commiting a sin, it is very unlikely in most cases that Allaah swt will bless you through that sin to give you the right interpretation of the Quran.
To further more, I no dey brag ooo he just said (i am not a competent muslim to debate him) Our people will see what i'm about to analyse as bragging, but (na una ache)
U said i'm not a better muslim compared to Ibn Ishaq and co.......Narrating false hadiths and sayings of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)
What makes you better/best in what you do? Goals, determination, concentration, researches bla bla bla.....U said u personaly spent on research but i spent more or maybe i tried more harder in exploitation of knowledge.....
I have been visiting KSA since i was 13yrs old, av once b to Jerusalem, Isreal. My great great grandpas are BIG Sheiks....My dad was a sheik as well and has been to Isreal and Jerusalem times without number all in the sake of knowledge....and you know what he thought me and from what av learnt as well? Its simply dat both Christianity and Islam are God's chosen only has been complicated by our so called pastors and Alfas.....Get that straight.....U can debate me on dis TOPIC if u want....
You said u spent abt 11yrs studying Islam/quran bla bla bla......Fine.....But + my whole life of studying Islam.....
I visited KSA sometimes early 2007 and i spent 6mths making my researchs and i realized lots of things about ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY, Bible, Quran, Hadith e.t.c.......These books has been tampered with as the only book dat cant and will never be tampered with is the Holy Quran......Get that!!!
I spent abt 6mths as well in Jerusalem and u know what i discovered? U dont wanna know.....I dare you to make ur research as well.....
At this point in time, do u think am a better muslim? Do u think i am in the right/best position to debate u? Do u still want to keep the ball rolling? R u upto to d task? Do u really av the potentials to debate me?
I wait ur response
you just gave me a dumb and primitive answers............
you went to KSA and ISREAL to do some research and at the conclusion of your research you find out that the hadiths have been tampered......what kind of dumb excuse is this?
how do you want to understand the koran without the help of the hadiths...? ..when some verses do not favor your opinion you tend to label those verses as been corrupted.
if you can not debate me with the hadith and sira, then you are no match .........go online and watch religious debates btw christian apologist and Muslim scholars and find out if they complained anything about the hadith been tempered or not.....
my friend go and get me your scholar to debate with him.... Thanks.
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:02 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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u are making sense | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:04 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 09:06 AM (13 years ago) (m) sup joe....i don dey wait u since oooo
what kind of muslim are you? you're the first muhammadeen i have ever encountered that said such mere fallacy about the hadiths.
let me tell you things you don't know about the hadiths:
The hadith collections are the most important source for the Sunnah (example), i.e. the established model of Muhammad's words and deeds, which Muslims should be following.
Sahih (true) hadiths: those accepted to be the most authentic. Qudsi Hadiths: hadiths that record what Allah said
Muslims also believed that the hadiths are also divinely inspired. "The teachings of Islam are based primarily on the Quran and the Hadiths, and as we shall presently see, both are based on divine inspiration."
The hadith regulates the life of a Muslim. The Qur'an contains scant details of many of the duties of the Muslim, and the hadith filled in the gap by providing the details. For example, the salat is described in detail in the hadith but not in the Qur'an.
so, why would you not accept the hadith ? has every source or narration turn out to be enemies of islam....? why are you running away from the truth. you are not a better muslim than sahih al-bukhari and sahih muslim whom you called enemies of islam......my friend in humanity you don't have a point to make, please look for a good scholar to debate me.
thanks
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:06 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 09:07 AM (13 years ago) (m) u are making sense
Obama, how far....how ur side?
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:07 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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you just gave me a dumb and primitive answers............
you went to KSA and ISREAL to do some research and at the conclusion of your research you find out that the hadiths have been tampered......what kind of dumb excuse is this?
how do you want to understand the koran without the help of the hadiths...? ..when some verses do not favor your opinion you tend to label those verses as been corrupted.
if you can not debate me with the hadith and sira, then you are no match .........go online and watch religious debates btw christian apologist and Muslim scholars and find out if they complained anything about the hadith been tempered or not.....
my friend go and get me your scholar to debate with him.... Thanks.
Lolz.....why cant u just accept a simple defeat? I swear, if u can hook me with just one verse in d Quran, den i will announce to the whole NP u nailed me....But man, stop bringing up cooked/fabricated stories on here......
"my friend go and get me your scholar to debate with him" It suites u i swear if u cant defend any of the above listed | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:19 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "fuckinjoe2") fuckinjoe2 at 15-04-2012 09:26 AM (13 years ago) (m) GOD for bid bad things , shaik deedat in his day will never have listen to this idiot and lunatic , not to talk of debate with a real animal in human flesh , this make me remember his debate with that one called jimmy swagger, no one listen to that swagger any More now , and his ministry had since long colapse , this was the man said to be taking 600,000 dollar annually then and he was said to be netting about 150,000 dollar daily for his ministry, he was caught with a prostitute and the congregation colapse on him, that's the Christianity religion for you so , based on deceit , false god worshiping
you're a retard with air-filled brains .........why are you complaining of someone when you know fully well that muhammad did worst crime than any person in the history of human race...
Adolf Hitler is far more better than muhammad in moral conduct and behavior...... you stupid and hopeless animal.
did you ever check or watched Ahmed Deedats video when he was dying..? he was crying and weeping on his sick bed like a rat that was poisoned.
phyuk you, phyuk your muhammad, phyuk Ahmed deedat and phyuk all muhammadeens.
phyuk all haters.........i still remain who i am. | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:26 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "julietomos") julietomos at 15-04-2012 09:36 AM (13 years ago) (f) bh GOD's judgment will soon fall upon u | Posted: at 15-04-2012 09:36 AM (13 years ago) | Newbie | |
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