Who Created God? (Page 9)

Date: 06-06-2009 11:03 pm (14 years ago) | Author: Adegbiji Adesoji
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- umide at 23-10-2009 10:31 AM (14 years ago)
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Wao this is a lovely ? and it needs a good answer...

A number of skeptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question Who created God? is illogical, just like To whom is the bachelor married?

So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn't God need a cause? And if God doesn't need a cause, why should the universe need a cause? In reply, Christians should use the following reasoning:

   1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.1
   2. The universe has a beginning.
   3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

Its important to stress the words in bold type. The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesn't need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space.

Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.

In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.

    * 1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
    * 2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy the heat death of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible.

So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.

IN SUMMARY

      The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.
      It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause.
      The universe therefore requires a cause, just as Genesis 1:1 and Romans 1:20 teach.
      God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause.

OBJECTIONS

There are only two ways to refute an argument:

   1.

      Show that it is logically invalid
   2.

      Show that at least one of the premises is false.

Is the argument valid?

    A valid argument is one where it is impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion false. Note that validity does not depend on the truth of the premises, but on the form of the argument. The argument in this article is valid; it is of the same form as: All whales have backbones; Moby Dick is a whale; therefore Moby Dick has a backbone. So the only hope for the skeptic is to dispute one or both of the premises.

Are the premises true?

1. Does the universe have a beginning?

    Oscillating universe ideas were popularized by atheists like the late Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov solely to avoid the notion of a beginning, with its implications of a Creator. But as shown above, the Laws of Thermodynamics undercut that argument. Even an oscillating universe cannot overcome those laws. Each one of the hypothetical cycles would exhaust more and more usable energy.

    This means every cycle would be larger and longer than the previous one, so looking back in time there would be smaller and smaller cycles. So the multicycle model could have an infinite future, but can only have a finite past.2

    Also, there are many lines of evidence showing that there is far too little mass for gravity to stop expansion and allow cycling in the first place, i.e., the universe is open.
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- umide at 23-10-2009 10:40 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: jon2four on  9-10-2009 06:55 AM
Who created God ? In human reasoning it's hard for us to comprehend the idea that a being could always be and would have the ability to create himself. But if we free our minds from earthly restraints and cultrual thinking the posibility of this can be conceived. If by God, we mean those beings who posess eternal life and creative ability, then to us an angel could be considered a God. But if by God we mean the creator then we have to concede that he could indeed create himself and it would be within reason that God or the Creator was self created.

A number of skeptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question Who created God? is illogical, just like To whom is the bachelor married?
Posted: at 23-10-2009 10:40 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming
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- emmy212 at 23-10-2009 08:01 PM (14 years ago)
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pray to HIM and then ask HIM
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- Uzzy at 23-10-2009 10:35 PM (14 years ago)
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Let he who hasnt tot of this ever cast the first stone!!!
Anyways i have come to the conclusion that i wud never think of that again!!!
Take that off ur mind and see ursef understanding the faith!!!

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- umide at 30-10-2009 03:57 PM (14 years ago)
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GOOD GIRL EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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- Pepeyayo at 8-11-2009 06:13 PM (14 years ago)
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GOD has no creator,
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- Pepeyayo at 8-11-2009 06:17 PM (14 years ago)
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GOD has no creator.
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- ezecyyyy at 8-11-2009 07:17 PM (14 years ago)
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GOD has no creator.
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- lee22 at 18-12-2012 08:14 AM (11 years ago)
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 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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