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Date: 16-12-2010 2:06 pm (13 years ago) | Author: abdulrahaman abdulnsir
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- at 16-12-2010 02:06 PM (13 years ago)
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Why the Christan change there on Book?

Posted: at 16-12-2010 02:06 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
- chik001 at 16-12-2010 09:19 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: sabiuuu on 16-12-2010 02:06 PM
Why the Christan change there on Book?
try explaining your post a bit...give more detail...
Posted: at 16-12-2010 09:19 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 17-12-2010 11:07 AM (13 years ago)
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If I got you right, you mean Why Christians Edit and Re-Edit Bible Over-and-Over Again. Why do they Alter it as they wish. I hope they will provide convincing answer to you for I asked such questions many times but no right answer came from them. Try Bro and see whether they will understand you.

Posted: at 17-12-2010 11:07 AM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- abduuul at 20-12-2010 02:47 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: sabiuuu on 16-12-2010 02:06 PM
Why the Christan change there on Book?

me too i don't know... Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Posted: at 20-12-2010 02:47 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- cadanre at 20-12-2010 04:54 PM (13 years ago)
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Any Christian to explain why? I am sick and tired of this ism-skism game. Let someone come up with a concrete and convincing explanation please.

Posted: at 20-12-2010 04:54 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- snowboyrum at 21-12-2010 02:09 PM (13 years ago)
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Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 
Posted: at 21-12-2010 02:09 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- abduuul at 23-12-2010 11:21 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.
Posted: at 23-12-2010 11:21 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ganster-kid at 23-12-2010 03:13 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 23-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.


 why can\t you ask question about you secrete book called koran? why is it that only you pple can read itit you think your so called koran is perfect, pulish it in a popular language, intead of hiding it in some mysterous drawing called arabic. so we all can read it and critically examine it
Posted: at 23-12-2010 03:13 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- cadanre at 24-12-2010 12:40 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: ganster-kid on 23-12-2010 03:13 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 23-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.


 why can\t you ask question about you secrete book called koran? why is it that only you pple can read itit you think your so called koran is perfect, pulish it in a popular language, intead of hiding it in some mysterous drawing called arabic. so we all can read it and critically examine it

I tried hard and suffer most to learn English which is not my language. God bless me to have understand English language and also to have gone through the Bible. Everyone has an opportunity to go and learn Arabic so that he can find mistakes (if any) in the Qur'an. This is a flemxy and unacceptable excuse. You cannot provide a convincing answer why you keep on tempering with Bible, why you keep on editing andre-editing it. Shame!

Posted: at 24-12-2010 12:40 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- cadanre at 24-12-2010 12:58 PM (13 years ago)
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@gangstar-kid

Can you please provide me with original, authentic copy of the Bible. With me there are many versions which I could not believe to be complete.

Posted: at 24-12-2010 12:58 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- ganster-kid at 24-12-2010 02:44 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 24-12-2010 12:40 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 23-12-2010 03:13 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 23-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.


 why can\t you ask question about you secrete book called koran? why is it that only you pple can read itit you think your so called koran is perfect, pulish it in a popular language, intead of hiding it in some mysterous drawing called arabic. so we all can read it and critically examine it

I tried hard and suffer most to learn English which is not my language. God bless me to have understand English language and also to have gone through the Bible. Everyone has an opportunity to go and learn Arabic so that he can find mistakes (if any) in the Qur'an. This is a flemxy and unacceptable excuse. You cannot provide a convincing answer why you keep on tempering with Bible, why you keep on editing andre-editing it. Shame!



 hahahaha, why should anyone intending to move forward go and learn the language of  backward society? tell me why should i learn arabic? just to read koran. there should be other meaningful reasons that can push one into learning a language which to be able to read koran is not one of 
Posted: at 24-12-2010 02:44 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ganster-kid at 24-12-2010 02:50 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 24-12-2010 12:58 PM
@gangstar-kid

Can you please provide me with original, authentic copy of the Bible. With me there are many versions which I could not believe to be complete.


 well it was written in hebrew, but i cannot read hebrew, so i cannot provide that, so go read the english version they are the same, if you say that koran is a holy book why are ppl hiding the content? you and i know that there is no language in whole world that cannot be interpreted in other languages, even your so called clerics on tv read and interpret some of the contents, why do you think its wrong to put such in writing?
Posted: at 24-12-2010 02:50 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- Romanos at 28-12-2010 06:17 AM (13 years ago)
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Brothers, the Bible is a collection of writings that the early (ancient) Christian church decided to make their standard of truth. They (the ancient Church) inherited the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures (translated in Egypt by Greek speaking Jews in the BC period) and the holy apostles sometimes quoted from these Greek scriptures and sometimes from the Hebrew originals when they wrote their letters to the first Christian communities (Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica, Colossae, Ephesus, etc).

This early church was mostly Greek speaking Jews and non-Jews, and a minority of Aramaic speaking Jews and non-Jews. Because the Greek language was in those early times like the English language is today, the ancient church decided that the Bible which they put together would only include writings in the Greek language.

That ancient collection of original Greek language scriptures is still used by the Orthodox Church, which is the modern day continuation of the ancient church. All the different versions you are asking about are translations from that ancient Greek Bible. That's why there can be many versions, because many people in all the countries have translated these writings into their mother tongues. If their intention was to translate faithfully, then the translations can be trusted.

But we always must go back to the Greek Bible to check on any disputed point, and ask those who speak the Greek language (not modern Greek, but Bible Greek, which is still spoken by many Greeks and other nationalities) what the words mean. You will discover, if you do this, that most disputes melt away, except when those who question are not interested in really understanding the truth, but only in building themselves up and creating factions based on their private interpretations.

This is why there are so many sects. But the churches that have the Greek Bible and accept it, even though they are many nations, all believe the same way, practice the one faith as handed over from ancient times, and do not fight with each other over doctrines and teachings. This group is called the Orthodox Church, and in Africa it exists from ancient times in Egypt and Ethiopia, and in modern times it has become native in countries like Ghana, Cameroun, Uganda, Kenya, Madagascar, and other places.

If you want to hear the Greek Bible being read in the original language, visit my blog, Η Καινή Διαθήκη (i kaini dhiathiki), http://i-kaini-dhiathiki.blogspot.com/

If you want to find out about the Orthodox Church look for it on the internet, or write me a message and I will answer you. I speak English, je parle français, yo hablo español, and of course, Greek.

I am a Greek Orthodox Christian, and I witness for Jesus. We do not argue, but patiently try to explain the Bible and the faith of Jesus Christ, and we welcome all people to become disciples and have faith in God's Son, who is the savior of the whole human race, but especially of believers.

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Why? Because He loves us, and more than we love ourselves. He invites us to live in His Word, which is the Bible, and to make it our home, to speak its words, to think its thoughts, to let it take us apart and put us back together again. Sin has broken us. Jesus has come into the world to fix us. He was dead but He alive again and is with us at this moment. He is the most active person in the history of the world. Trust in Him.

Posted: at 28-12-2010 06:17 AM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- chik001 at 28-12-2010 01:11 PM (13 years ago)
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@CANDANRE
You all children need to realize that the Qur'an has been passed down to YOU from men called "the Readers". They were famous reciters of the Qur'an in the early centuries of Islam. The way these men recited the Qur'an was formerly recorded in textual form by other men called the "Transmitters". There are in fact more Readers and Transmitters than those listed below.

Nafi` (from Medina; d. 169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d. 119/737)
Abu `Amr al-`Ala' (from Damascus; d. 153/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d. 118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d. 156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d. 189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d. 158/778)
(Cyril Glassé, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, p. 324, bold added)

below is a lists of the commonly accepted Readers and their transmitted versions and their current area of use.

The reader            the transmitter            current area of use
Nafi                       Wash, Qalun           Algeria, Morrocco, parts of Tunisia, West Africa and sudan
Ibn Kathir   al-Bazzi                              Libya, Tunisia and parts of Qatar
Abu ‘Amr al-‘Ala’   al-Duri                    part of Sudan and west Africa
Ibn ‘Amir             Hisham, Ibn Dhawan         Parts of Yemen
Hamzah              Khallad, Khalaf                 “
Al-Kisa’I         al-Duri, Abu’l-Harith              “
Abu Bakr ‘Asim      Hafs                         Muslim world in general


What the above means is that the Qur'an has come toYOUS through many transmitted versions. You cannot recite or read the Qur'an except through one of these versions.
 Each version has its own chain of narrators (isnad) like a hadith. There are more versions than those listed above but they are not considered authentic because their chain of narration is considered weak. Not all of these versions are printed or used today, but several are.

Do you children want comparison?
Posted: at 28-12-2010 01:11 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ziggigm3 at 30-12-2010 07:29 PM (13 years ago)
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The question made no sense @ first. But i understood from another poster. The issue is that as technology changes and advancement in the english language, lots of words needs amendment - http://www.ilovegodsite.com/

Posted: at 30-12-2010 07:29 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- chik001 at 30-12-2010 07:46 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: ziggigm3 on 30-12-2010 07:29 PM
The question made no sense @ first. But i understood from another poster. The issue is that as technology changes and advancement in the english language, lots of words needs amendment - http://www.ilovegodsite.com/


Any time I see you I go buy you beer...
These lots don't seem to realize whats going on around them...
Posted: at 30-12-2010 07:46 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- abduuul at 31-12-2010 11:21 AM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: ganster-kid on 24-12-2010 02:44 PM
Quote from: cadanre on 24-12-2010 12:40 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 23-12-2010 03:13 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 23-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.


 why can\t you ask question about you secrete book called koran? why is it that only you pple can read itit you think your so called koran is perfect, pulish it in a popular language, intead of hiding it in some mysterous drawing called arabic. so we all can read it and critically examine it

I tried hard and suffer most to learn English which is not my language. God bless me to have understand English language and also to have gone through the Bible. Everyone has an opportunity to go and learn Arabic so that he can find mistakes (if any) in the Qur'an. This is a flemxy and unacceptable excuse. You cannot provide a convincing answer why you keep on tempering with Bible, why you keep on editing andre-editing it. Shame!



 hahahaha, why should anyone intending to move forward go and learn the language of  backward society? tell me why should i learn arabic? just to read koran. there should be other meaningful reasons that can push one into learning a language which to be able to read koran is not one of 


Do you know that there is bible in Arabic language?
Do you know that in Arabs there are Christians, what can you say to them?
is English your own language? why do you study it?
MyQtion to you is why did christian translate their bible in Arabic if you know the Language is not important?
Posted: at 31-12-2010 11:21 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ganster-kid at 31-12-2010 12:56 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 31-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 24-12-2010 02:44 PM
Quote from: cadanre on 24-12-2010 12:40 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 23-12-2010 03:13 PM
Quote from: abduuul on 23-12-2010 11:21 AM
Quote from: snowboyrum on 21-12-2010 02:09 PM
Believe in ur own religion and preach it everywhere and if u are able to convince some good luck and if not, then let everyone follows his/her own path stop criticizing others believe/religion. 

If i get you write, i think is not a matter of criticizing some one religion. i think the poster ask a reasonable question any way.


 why can\t you ask question about you secrete book called koran? why is it that only you pple can read itit you think your so called koran is perfect, pulish it in a popular language, intead of hiding it in some mysterous drawing called arabic. so we all can read it and critically examine it

I tried hard and suffer most to learn English which is not my language. God bless me to have understand English language and also to have gone through the Bible. Everyone has an opportunity to go and learn Arabic so that he can find mistakes (if any) in the Qur'an. This is a flemxy and unacceptable excuse. You cannot provide a convincing answer why you keep on tempering with Bible, why you keep on editing andre-editing it. Shame!



 hahahaha, why should anyone intending to move forward go and learn the language of  backward society? tell me why should i learn arabic? just to read koran. there should be other meaningful reasons that can push one into learning a language which to be able to read koran is not one of 


Do you know that there is bible in Arabic language?
Do you know that in Arabs there are Christians, what can you say to them?
is English your own language? why do you study it?
MyQtion to you is why did christian translate their bible in Arabic if you know the Language is not important?







 you see, christianity is open religion of the real God that accepts everyone irrespective of tribe, be he arab jew, igbo hausa etc, and we do that by making you understand everything about Our Lord in your own language. we don't have anything to hide. There is no language in the world today that cannot be translated as we all know. Our holy book the bible is made available for everybody to read and see the truth. Unlike your koran that you are afraid  exposing for ppl to see the truth in it. Hiding your holy book means there are some issues with that book. If your preachers on tv can read and interpret our holy book on tv, i wonder what stops them from putting such in writing for everybody to read and judge
. I challenge you, if you think there is nothing wrong with your holy book , make it available in generally acceptable language, lets whether islam is peaceful as you tend to claim here. The only history of how islam came to Nigeria through violent means lead by Usman Dan Fodio shows that something is absolutely wrong with that religion
Posted: at 31-12-2010 12:56 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- mubaji at 31-12-2010 09:06 PM (13 years ago)
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@ poster
there are lots of reason for that:
firstly, because it's not under God's reservation for Humanity.
secondly, because it's outdated, it's an antique from their ancestors.
thirdly, some of them claim they want it to be in contemporary language.
just to mention few.
Posted: at 31-12-2010 09:06 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chik001 at 1-01-2011 09:09 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 31-12-2010 09:06 PM
@ poster
there are lots of reason for that:
firstly, because it's not under God's reservation for Humanity.
secondly, because it's outdated, it's an antique from their ancestors.
thirdly, some of them claim they want it to be in contemporary language.
just to mention few.


On the contrary…The sources of the Koran used by Muhammad include:

1.   Biblical narrative with alteration
2.   Jewish Haggada (A jewish scriptural text or commandment )
3.   Christian material from Aramaic.
4.   Legends common to world literature introduced via the Jews at Mecca.

All of these were altered and rearranged for the purpose of providing his listeners with an Arabian revelation with enhanced credibility because it could be seen as part of a universal divine revelation.
The Koran (Mohammed) storytelling was boring and he was mocked by an-Nadr ibn al-Harith who insisted that his own tales of Persian kings were far more interesting. (After the battle of Badr the prophet had his revenge and slew an-Nadr.)

The story of Joseph is the most complete narrative in the Koran, but it lacked detail. Why was Joseph put in prison after Potipher's wife confessed?...the story of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba (27:16-45) is taken directly from the Haggada.

Jonah (37:139-148) is a condensation of the Biblical account...but the name given is based on the Greek rather than Hebrew form.

Saul and Goliath ('Talut' and 'Jalut') is a confusion of the story of Gideon (Jdg. 7:47) with that of David and Goliath.

The story of Moses (s. 28:2-46) is a summary of most of Exodus. 1-4...though Muhammad or rather The Koran does not associate Moses with the Israelites. Haman is believed to be Pharaoh's vizier (s. 29 and 40). As in the Talmud (Sotah 126) the baby Moses refuses to suckle at an Egyptian Bosom .
The marriage of Moses in Midian lacked pattern  after Jacob and Rachael; and the story of The Tower (virtually identical to the tower of Babel) is built by Pharaoh to reach Allah.
These narratives illustrates the freedom which Muhammad felt as a prophet to alter the Biblical tradition.  The Koran lacks spiritual endowment and without the commentary the Koran is completely garbled and meaningless.
Posted: at 1-01-2011 09:09 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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