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Quote from: kebella on 17-04-2011 08:18 PM
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As a matter of Biblical precedent, all of the examples of the Saints in scripture show that they were either entombed or buried. We have clear examples of this in passage after passage: ReplyJob 19:25-26 "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:" Clearly Job understood that he would be buried, and that the worms of the earth (not fire) would destroy his body that it return it to the dust from which it came. And yet he intimately ties it to the resurrection, exactly as we see done all throughout scripture. That was/is the normal Godly way to deal with loved ones who die. Again, as attested to by the Biblical records of the purchase of land by Abraham (precisely for this purpose). Genesis 23:19-20 "And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre: the same is Hebron in the land of Canaan. And the field, and the cave that is therein, were made sure unto Abraham for a possession of a buryingplace by the sons of Heth." Genesis 25:9-10 "And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre; The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife." Genesis 49:30-32 "In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace. There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah. The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth." We don't see Biblical precedent of God's people burning dead bodies (except it be testimony to the heathen, judgment, or a sinful practice), and so why any Biblically minded Christian would even consider cremation defies any reason or sound logic. We should be persuaded by the witness of scripture that the Biblical practice of handling the dead, is in burial. Moreover, God Himself buried Moses in a valley in the land of Moab over against Bethpeor (Deuteronomy 34:5-6). What more witness of scripture do we need for the Christian method of burial? Unfortunately in our day, no amount of Biblical evidence against this practice seems to be enough. For much of the Church today is caught up in the will of man (lust of the flesh) to do what seems right in their own eyes. This, coupled with the cultural humanistic changes of society, has caused many to depart from the historical Christian teachings. They look upon these Biblical precedents as old fashioned or Old Testament thinking, oblivious to the truth that the Bible is a timeless book. In fact, the same Biblical precedent for burial in the Old Testament continues right into the New Testament era, as we read that Lazarus (whom Jesus loved) was buried in a tomb. John 11:38-39 "Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days." But when they took away the stone from the tomb, and Jesus said, 'Lazarus, come forth,' He came forth, again, a signification of the resurrection unto life. The burial, and the resurrection of him that was buried, is a theme which goes hand in hand throughout the scriptures and should not be cast aside as insignificant. One of the most compelling arguments for burial in the New Testament is the example that God gives of Himself. John 19:40 "Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury." The Jews were the Covenant Children of the Living God, and the Godly manner they practiced was the burial of their dead. So not only was the body of Christ prepared with spices and then buried, but God clearly and unambiguously 'alerts' us that this was, 'the manner that the Chosen people of God handled their dead' also! If there is any question now about precedent in the scriptures (both Old and New Testament), then it can only be because man is predisposed to reject truth because of a hardness of his heart, or a determination to believe whatever they want. If authority of scripture doesn't matter, then Biblical counsel becomes 'just words.' Proverbs 12:15 "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
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| my name is kebella ........yu already no that ...heheh...if yu wanna smell what kebella is cooking........bring it up!!
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@harold..i understand your Biblical story,but the point is that i haven't read or heard anywhere in the Bible that CREMATION is a SIN.though i made myself clear, as a Chriatain i go with the idea of a corpse be buried...one more thing pls try as much as possible to control your emotion during your comments.cuz something you do use abusive words which is not proper(just an advice)..i like to read some of your comments,cuz u r among the few that gives great contribution on topics. Reply@Bs..i don't think any body is applying the laws of science here,cuz scientist themselves claimed/believe that there is no God.
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ok Replymy name is kebella ........yu already no that ...heheh...if yu wanna smell what kebella is cooking........bring it up!!
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Quote from: sobeit on 17-04-2011 09:13 PM @harold..i understand your Biblical story,but the point is that i haven't read or heard anywhere in the Bible that CREMATION is a SIN.though i made myself clear, as a Chriatain i go with the idea of a corpse be buried...one more thing pls try as much as possible to control your emotion during your comments.cuz something you do use abusive words which is not proper(just an advice)..i like to read some of your comments,cuz u r among the few that gives great contribution on topics. BRO, i so much appreciate your response to my comments. To be precisely, there is no verse in the bible that says cremation is a sin just like no verse in the bible that says masturbation is also a sin. In respect to your first comments which says man ought to be buried not burnt. I emphantically agree with u based on on your response which u said as a (christian). I also based my comment from the bliblical perpective by listing out some examples from the bible. For the abusive words, please forgive me and i will amend it henceforth from now. thank u 4 your correction.
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well,great contribution from everybody however there is still one fact that is missing whether it is a sin or not is pending and whether it should be encouraged or discouraged is another one.i certainly believe a pastor can have an answer to it.because i have turn the bible inside and out,upside and down and still i did not see where it was written saying its a sin or not.i guess the pharises that asked jesus in the bible about marriage and divorce failed or forgot to ask christ about cremation.well i think individuals should uphold their cause as regards to it. Reply
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Quote from: kebella on 17-04-2011 08:23 PM
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Quote from: Youngstoriez on 17-04-2011 08:21 PM Quote from: bittersweet on 17-04-2011 12:05 PM Nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that cremation is a sin.Ppl in d past were against it because they didn't see how God could resurrect d dead if they were burned to ashes.But if God can resurrect d dead who have been buried,decomposed,and carbonized,then there's no reason why He couldn't resurrect some1 who was cremated.We keep applying the laws of science to God and we don't need to because He transcends all of that. So yu can also say even Homosegxwalism is not a sin...bcos it was not written in the Bible if its a sin or not??....i disagree with you 200000000000000000000 times, infact to infinity!! Jesus christ himself was buried, if cremation wasnt a sin...Jesus christ wud av been burnt as well...and turned to ashes instead of dust.....evry body who is a christain was buried at that time...there's no need testing God....if he can resurrect the dead who were burnt to ashes!! God have mercy......Its not Godly burning human bodies to ashes....God created us in his own image....with dust and not ashes....Dead humans need to decay to turn back to wat he created us with...God never used ashes to create us...he used dust...and bsides even if ashes can turn to dust, we need not to convert our bodies to anything after death...we leave it the way it was...the way God created it...and let it decay to turn back to dust....leaving it just the way God created it, !! Cremation is BIG sin sef....God forbid that in my Generation....to infinity in Jesus name! AMENDid I write in my comment that I agree with it?NO! BUT...the church is against cremation and so do I! The Church is against d burning of human bodies bcz this does not reflect d spirit of faith and d evangelical, biblical understanding of human worthiness. Junk,old rags & waste r burned;but a person’s body is not waste or an old rag!A believer’s body anointed by the Holy Spirit, which has received the Holy Spirit is God’s temple,a vessel of Eternal Life.A temple can fall apart or ceased to be used for prayer, but it is not burned. Both the living and the dead body of a person who believes in the Resurrection, is a seed of the resurrection. "It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body" (1 Cor 15:44).Having received the Holy Spirit,having communed with the Body and Blood of Christ,that body must reverently be placed in d ground as a seed of d future age.This body can't be hanged on a tree,it can't be given for birds to eat,it cannot be dumped into a cesspool,or be given to dogs or beasts to be torn apart or be subject to an artificial destruction. "You are dust, and to dust you shall return" (Gen 3:19).This law must be fulfilled in all cases,simply, as a form of respect for d human body,returning it and the soul to God.The body’s decomposition must not depend on man but only on God,the Creator of life. Only He,the Master of the world,commands our life and our body. A person,regardless of his wishes,could of course drown,be consumed by fire,be torn to pieces by animals or have his body destroyed completely by some explosion.Those dying in a ship are sometimes committed to the seas.All this takes place in spite of the believing deceased’s will and in this he does not sin.The sin lies in the direction of the will. It is precisely the person’s determination to direct d disposition of his body as if it was "his own property." This is where the sin of opposing God is generated (perhaps even unconsciously).A person is "God’s property",in body and soul.Created by God,redeemed by Christ the Savior,d person does not belong to himself but to God.The person is called to be the temple of the Living God in body and soul.In body,soul and spirit, the Christian is anointed by the Holy Spirit. Only a believing person can understand where the sin of cremation lies.The sin is not in d fact of physical burning of the body but in d false direction of d person’s will to rule over God’s property,which his body is.A person sins when he looks upon his life as if it belonged only to him.A rather vivid manifestation of this sinful egocentric consciousness is suicide.The instruction to have one’s body cremated is a sign of a similar Divine disobedience.This leads a person to rule over his earthly life and his earthly body.In suicide a person rules over his earthly body, ignoring the will of God. Bcz of this, true Christians do not burn their bodies;believing Christians bury their bodies,which communed with the Holy Mysteries, bodies which became a part of Christ’s Body, reverently and devoutly, as was the Savior’s Body. Those who do not know God’s will or are indifferent to it or are consciously opposed to it, burn their bodies. Pagans in India do this, mistakenly believing in purification, which comes from the natural form of fire, ignorant of God’s Grace and in the unique human personality (and from this they believe in the cosmic cyclical migration of souls). Symptomatic of this,the "League of Militant Godless" which was founded in Moscow shortly after the revolution, proclaimed as one of their basic aims in their cruel fight against God, the campaign for the cremation of the dead. This alone shows how repulsive cremation is to the will of God. Live and let live!
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Quote from: sobeit on 17-04-2011 09:13 PM @Bs..i don't think any body is applying the laws of science here,cuz scientist themselves claimed/believe that there is no God. That was exactly the point! Ppl continue to apply the laws of silence to Holy things, which is not right! Live and let live!
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Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 08:00 AM Quote from: sobeit on 17-04-2011 09:13 PM @Bs..i don't think any body is applying the laws of science here,cuz scientist themselves claimed/believe that there is no God. That was exactly the point! Ppl continue to apply the laws of SCIENCE to Holy things, which is not right! See mistake caused by rush!Sorry about that! Live and let live!
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i dont think its a sin because it's just a body but your soul is either in heaven or hell. Reply
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Quote from: Youngstoriez on 17-04-2011 08:21 PM Quote from: bittersweet on 17-04-2011 12:05 PM Nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that cremation is a sin.Ppl in d past were against it because they didn't see how God could resurrect d dead if they were burned to ashes.But if God can resurrect d dead who have been buried,decomposed,and carbonized,then there's no reason why He couldn't resurrect some1 who was cremated.We keep applying the laws of science to God and we don't need to because He transcends all of that. So yu can also say even Homosegxwalism is not a sin...bcos it was not written in the Bible if its a sin or not??.One more thing! About homosegxwality! Read your Bible well! God put a limit on se*. Yes,a limit only 1.There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of se*. The only caveat to d enjoyment of se* is this: se* is meant to be enjoyed in d context of marriage–not outside of it.Unfortunately,these days we must be specific. Se* is to be enjoyed within d context of a marriage between a man and a woman.That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh. All segxwal sins (i.e.promiscuity,adultery,homosegxwality,prostitution,etc.) r sins bcz they don't conform to d limit of se* being a marital activity. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were d first recorded in d Bible to face punishment for their se*ual perversion.In Genesis chapter 19,we find 2 angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom.In verse 4,we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have se* with them.” Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their segxwal perversion.Their sin was not simply one of violence(rape) but of se*ual immorality (homosegxwality). As further evidence of d sinful nature of homosegxwality,Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosegxwality as “an abomination.” The Old Testament is not d only place in d Bible that condemns homosegxwality.In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men,leaving d natural use of d woman,burned in their lust one toward another;men with men working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosegxwal relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” r those men who engage in unnatural se*ual relations with other men – homosegxwals.Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosegxwality. Live and let live!
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Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 08:08 AM Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 08:00 AM Quote from: sobeit on 17-04-2011 09:13 PM @Bs..i don't think any body is applying the laws of science here,cuz scientist themselves claimed/believe that there is no God. That was exactly the point! Ppl continue to apply the laws of SCIENCE to Holy things, which is not right! See mistake caused by rush!Sorry about that! aha! now i get u 
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Have a good week, Sobeit! Live and let live!
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Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 08:37 AM Quote from: Youngstoriez on 17-04-2011 08:21 PM Quote from: bittersweet on 17-04-2011 12:05 PM Nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that cremation is a sin.Ppl in d past were against it because they didn't see how God could resurrect d dead if they were burned to ashes.But if God can resurrect d dead who have been buried,decomposed,and carbonized,then there's no reason why He couldn't resurrect some1 who was cremated.We keep applying the laws of science to God and we don't need to because He transcends all of that. So yu can also say even Homosegxwalism is not a sin...bcos it was not written in the Bible if its a sin or not??.One more thing! About homosegxwality! Read your Bible well! God put a limit on se*. Yes,a limit only 1.There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of se*. The only caveat to d enjoyment of se* is this: se* is meant to be enjoyed in d context of marriage–not outside of it.Unfortunately,these days we must be specific. Se* is to be enjoyed within d context of a marriage between a man and a woman.That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh. All segxwal sins (i.e.promiscuity,adultery,homosegxwality,prostitution,etc.) r sins bcz they don't conform to d limit of se* being a marital activity. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were d first recorded in d Bible to face punishment for their se*ual perversion.In Genesis chapter 19,we find 2 angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom.In verse 4,we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have se* with them.” Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their segxwal perversion.Their sin was not simply one of violence(rape) but of se*ual immorality (homosegxwality). As further evidence of d sinful nature of homosegxwality,Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosegxwality as “an abomination.” The Old Testament is not d only place in d Bible that condemns homosegxwality.In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men,leaving d natural use of d woman,burned in their lust one toward another;men with men working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosegxwal relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” r those men who engage in unnatural se*ual relations with other men – homosegxwals.Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosegxwality. hmmm i'm impressed, i never knew u r this good with religion . 
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Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 09:36 AM Have a good week, Sobeit! wishing u the same 
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Quote from: sobeit on 18-04-2011 09:38 AM Quote from: bittersweet on 18-04-2011 08:37 AM Quote from: Youngstoriez on 17-04-2011 08:21 PM Quote from: bittersweet on 17-04-2011 12:05 PM Nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that cremation is a sin.Ppl in d past were against it because they didn't see how God could resurrect d dead if they were burned to ashes.But if God can resurrect d dead who have been buried,decomposed,and carbonized,then there's no reason why He couldn't resurrect some1 who was cremated.We keep applying the laws of science to God and we don't need to because He transcends all of that. So yu can also say even Homosegxwalism is not a sin...bcos it was not written in the Bible if its a sin or not??.One more thing! About homosegxwality! Read your Bible well! God put a limit on se*. Yes,a limit only 1.There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of se*. The only caveat to d enjoyment of se* is this: se* is meant to be enjoyed in d context of marriage–not outside of it.Unfortunately,these days we must be specific. Se* is to be enjoyed within d context of a marriage between a man and a woman.That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh. All segxwal sins (i.e.promiscuity,adultery,homosegxwality,prostitution,etc.) r sins bcz they don't conform to d limit of se* being a marital activity. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were d first recorded in d Bible to face punishment for their se*ual perversion.In Genesis chapter 19,we find 2 angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom.In verse 4,we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have se* with them.” Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their segxwal perversion.Their sin was not simply one of violence(rape) but of se*ual immorality (homosegxwality). As further evidence of d sinful nature of homosegxwality,Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosegxwality as “an abomination.” The Old Testament is not d only place in d Bible that condemns homosegxwality.In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men,leaving d natural use of d woman,burned in their lust one toward another;men with men working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosegxwal relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” r those men who engage in unnatural se*ual relations with other men – homosegxwals.Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosegxwality. hmmm i'm impressed, i never knew u r this good with religion . Just for making some things clear! Live and let live!
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How man go suffer for earth won go rest them make am suffer to rest? ReplyIf I die, burry me sharp sharp....... if margot chop me, i go manage If your burn me, be ready for the aftermart.
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