The existence of the Christian God have been confirmed again (Page 2)

Quote from: CammyWhite on  2-07-2011 02:59 AM

Quote from: chik001 on  1-07-2011 05:03 PM

Quote from: CammyWhite on  1-07-2011 01:04 PM

Quote from: hosbert on  1-07-2011 07:21 AM

@Democray
"The wars,ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by christians...If you are sincere to yourself,you would know that the Israelites in their march to the promised land did not start the wars or killings but only fought in self defence.Or are you saying that they do not have the right to self defence?

The people who lived in the Promised Land saw the land as theirs and weren't going to just surrender to the Israelites. The Israelites were killing in self-defence much as the Germans entering Russia, and the Serbs in Bosnia, and the Hutus in Rwanda.

...there is something yous don't get...it doesn't matter if you don't get it...at this stage...
...when a program thats is written for a particular purpose...decides to do what it's not written for...it will be deleted...
...whether anyone like it or not...
...as it was said in the Holy Book...
..."Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"....Mathew 5:13

So in your view Yahweh put people in the so-called Promised Land so that the Israelites could kill them to get that Promised Land.

That is so dumb.

...because it sounds dumb to you does not mean you are calling the shots...
...if your had been in Washington D.C..at the Lincoln Memorial...28 August 1963...and heard a baptist minister told the world about his dream...(Martin Luther King jnr)...
I bet...you will be one of them...who would have accuse him of having dementia or crying crucify him....
...simply because it would have sounded so dumb to know that...an unknown Kenyan, who is not an aristocrat...from an unremarkable village...in a Africa...the so called third world...will be used to fulfill that dream...
...nature tips the balance...
...whether you like it or not...

...read:Matthew 3:9-10

..."and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
v10 “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire...

Posted: at 2-07-2011 04:21 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@Democray
"The wars,ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by christians...If you are sincere to yourself,you would know that the Israelites in their march to the promised land did not start the wars or killings but only fought in self defence.Or are you saying that they do not have the right to self defence?

The people who lived in the Promised Land saw the land as theirs and weren't going to just surrender to the Israelites. The Israelites were killing in self-defence much as the Germans entering Russia, and the Serbs in Bosnia, and the Hutus in Rwanda.

@Cammywhite
If you read your scriptures very well,you would understand why i said what you qouted.Remember Abraham and Abimalech and Goliath of Gath and the Isrealites.These two instances will help your memory.When God makes a promise,He does not need any man's assistance to bring to fruition His Words.However,any body that tries to stop His ordained path is usually heading for destruction.I will want you also to note that God took His people through the rigorous and difficult wilderness in their march to the Promised Land,perhaps to avoid the killings and genocide you guys talk about.Note that I used the word 'perhaps' but inspite of all these,the devil devil wanted to make God a liar and this resulted to the destruction of those tools that the devil used.Besides,if a people do not know the living God,you do not expect God to be pleased with them.Also,you remember that God did promised Abraham the promised land and God cannot fail in His promised.You can see how hot His (god's) anger burned against His chosen nation (Israel) when they went after other gods in the wilderness.Don't forget that at this time or period,He was the God of the Israelites before Christ came and reconciled the entire world to God.

On a general view,the action of the Israelites was not unusual as the world was at the age of conquest and the various nations of the world acquired their land through this means.Most nations and countries never existed as they are today.You can now see why your comparison cannot stand.
Rwanda,Serbia,Russia,German,etc do not stand on the same plank with the Isaelites in this context as the former are actually independent states recognised internationally.Every people the world over,at about the time the Israelites killed and committed genocide did same to others who were weak and could not stand them militarily.You can check this out in history.Some ethnic nations did worse than the Israelites even when there was no divine promised or instruction.

Posted: at 3-07-2011 09:16 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

Posted: at 3-07-2011 01:31 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

The Invasion of Australia

The City of Sydney has voted to replace the words “European arrival” in the official record with “invasion”.  The deputy lord mayor, Marcelle Hoff, says it is intellectually dishonest to use any other word in describing how Aboriginal Australia was dispossessed by the British. “We were invaded,” said Paul Morris, an Aboriginal adviser to the council. “It is the truth and it shouldn’t be watered down. We wouldn’t expect Jewish people to accept a watered-down version of the Holocaust, so why should we?”

In 2008, the then prime minister Kevin Rudd formally apologised to Aborigines wrenched from their families as children under a policy inspired by the crypto-fascist theories of eugenics. White Australia was said to be coming to terms with its rapacious past, and present. Was it? The Rudd government, noted a Sydney Morning Herald editorial, “has moved quickly to clear away this piece of political wreckage in a way that responds to some of its supporters’ emotional needs, yet it changes nothing. It is a shrewd manoeuvre.”

The City of Sydney ruling is a very different gesture, and admirable; for it reflects not a liberal and limited “sorry campaign”, seeking feel-good “reconciliation” rather than justice, but counters a cowardly movement of historical revision in which a collection of far-right politicians, journalists and minor academics claimed there was no invasion, no genocide, no Stolen Generation, no racism. 

The platform for these holocaust deniers is the Murdoch press, which has long run its own insidious campaign against the indigenous population, presenting them as victims of each other or as noble savages requiring firm direction: the eugenicists’ view.  Favoured black “leaders” who tell the white elite what it wants to hear while blaming their own people for their poverty, provide a PC cover for a racism that often shocks foreign visitors. Today, the first Australians have one of the shortest life expectancies in the world and are incarcerated at five times the rate of blacks in apartheid South Africa. Go to the outback and see the children blinded by trachoma, a biblical disease, entirely preventable, eradicated in third world countries but not in rich Australia. The Aboriginal people are both Australia’s secret and this otherwise derivative society’s most amazing distinction: the world’s oldest society.

In its landmark rejection of historical propaganda, Sydney, the country oldest and largest city, recognises black Australia’s “cultural endurance” and, without saying so directly, a growing resistance to an outrage known as “the intervention”. In 2007, John Howard sent the army into Aboriginal Australia to “protect the children” who, said his minister for indigenous affairs, were being abused in “unthinkable numbers”. It is striking how Australia’s incestuous political and media elite so often rounds on the tiny black minority with all the fervour of the guilty, unaware perhaps that the national mythology and psyche remain culpably damaged while a nationhood, once stolen, is not returned to the original inhabitants.

Journalists accepted the Howard government’s reason for “intervening” and went hunting for the lurid. One national TV programme used an “anonymous youth worker” to allege “sex slavery” rings among the Mutitjulu people. He was later exposed as a federal government official and his “evidence” discredited. Of 7433 Aboriginal children examined by doctors, just four were identified as possible cases of abuse. There were no “unthinkable numbers”. The rate was around that of white child abuse. The difference was that no soldiers invaded the beachside suburbs, no white parents were swept aside, their wages diminished and welfare “quarantined”. It was all a mighty charade, but with serious purpose.

The Labor governments that followed Howard have reinforced the new controlling powers over black homelands: the strict Julia Gillard especially: a prime minister who lectures her compatriots on the virtues of colonial wars that “make us who we are today” and imprisons refugees from those wars indefinitely, including children, on an offshore island not deemed to be Australia, which it is.

In the Northern Territory, the Gillard government are effectively driving Aboriginal communities into apartheid areas where they will be “economically viable”. The undeclared reason is that the Northern Territory is the only part of Australia where Aborigines have comprehensive land rights, and that here lies some of the world’s biggest deposits of uranium, and other minerals. The most powerful political force in Australia is the multi-billion dollar mining industry. Canberra wants to mine and sell and those bloody blackfellas are in the way again. But this time they are organised, articulate, militant, a resistance of conscience and culture. They know it is a second invasion. Having finally uttered the forbidden word, white Australians should stand with them.

Posted: at 3-07-2011 01:33 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

na wah for una oh so all this history because of the topic THE EXISTENCEOF  CHRISTIAN GOD NEEDS NO FURTHER PROOF

Posted: at 3-07-2011 03:28 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

@Democracy
I appreciate the  statement the first paragragh in your last post.The whole essence of what this is all about is knowledge acquisition and dessimination and probably situate issues and facts in their proper perspectives.Back to the point your raised about Egypt which is to the effect that am wrong and lack in-depth knowledge on the issue.Well,here once again,I beg to say that you are always quick at drawing conclusions.Also in trying to press home your point,you did not substantiate,rather you only embark on a historical exursion of the people that formed what is known as Egypt and her geographical without giving attention as to when that section of the continent became known as Egypt because what you consider Egypt in your argument actually existed in chiefdoms;the first of this chiefdoms which doubles as the most powerful is Ta-Seti and this was in 3500 BCE.The unification of the lower and upper Egypt actually occurred in 3150 BC all thanks to King Menes.Although there are evidence of rock carvings along the Nile;however,the earliest known evidence of Egyptian hieroglyphic inscriptions appeared during the predynasticperiod on Naqada 111 pottery vessels dated to about 3200 BC.Since you are more grounded on this,can you please tell us when the flood came upon the earth and also,if the ancient Egypt survived the flood.

Interestingly,you have informed me of your desire to be schooled about the existence of God.This is a cheering news to me and I know that since you have made this commitment,the Holy Spirit will give me the grace and all that is needed to bring you to God.First,you must submit yourself to be schooled since you just read the Bible like other literatures,you sure need a guide,the Holy Spirit.I do not want to waste  any more time arguing about the existence of God.You need Jesus so read Romans chapter 10:8-10 and make the confessions that you find there witha sincere heart,having understanding the words and making a commitment to God to stand by your confessions.I await your feedback .God bless you.

Posted: at 3-07-2011 06:02 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

Hosbert, as I'm not a Christian, the "Scriptures" are not mine. But in any event, your argument is badly flawed. Since Yahweh (by your framework) created everything in the full knowledge of what was going to happen, he put tribes and nations in the path of the Israelites just so they could be slaughtered, and the devil was back then Yahweh's hitman (cf the Book of Job).

Granted, every nation grew from conquest, but then none of them (AFAIK) is used to prove the existence of a god, which is what you are claiming, and therefore apparently saying that some acts of genocide are a good thing.

Giving Yahweh a white hot temper sort of reduces him to a human level, and that's not really an act of respect on your part, but then the Bible was written by humans in a more primitive age.

Posted: at 4-07-2011 10:37 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

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Posted: at 4-07-2011 09:51 PM (13 years ago) | Hero

Hosbert, if Yahweh created the world and everything in it, then he put the people into the so-called Promised Land to start with, and then told the Israelites to slaughter them.

Posted: at 5-07-2011 10:39 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

 

Posted: at 5-07-2011 02:09 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac