I can prove christianity is fake (Page 24)

@DEMO

That’s the problem right there…
...you know what you know and that makes you who you are…others know what they know and that’s what makes them what they are. You know what you know because that’s what you choose to believe and know.  What you know does not make you better than anyone else…
…your arrogance makes you believe others are fools and hypocrites…making you and your friends are all wise and righteous.

People or Muslims who are hopeless and faithless pick up cutlasses or bombs to settle scores…People or Christians run away from people or Muslims with cutlasses because…that’s the natural reaction by every living thing when faced with danger…

Before the coming of your so called Christian and Islamic masters…Africans then…(some still do now unfortunately)…already have a slave mentality…the so called Obas, Emirs and Chiefs rules their subjects and treat them like slaves.

The Portuguese empire was the first empire in written history…they visited and sought slaves in Africa as early as 1419 through Angola. Before they came…they knew that the African were ruled like slaves by their rulers…the Obas, Emirs, Onis and The Obongs. This enabled them and others to come and impose their rule on Africans.
True Christianity is a beautiful way of life if practiced as it should be. It’s a shame that some people used it as a base to accomplish their own selfish means because of the freedom which God has given to us. The Christianity you know is that which use was as means to a selfish end.

If a programmer writes a program for a purpose, and that program start doing what it’s not intended for…it will be deleted by the programmer or a new program will be put in its place…
If a fruit tree doesn’t bear fruit…it will be cut down and throw it into the fire…
When salt loses its taste…it will be thrown off and stamped upon…

If YOU…as an individual does not leave up to what is required of you from God…you will either be deleted, cut down and thrown in the fire or trampled upon…that’s how it works…
…God will raise children from stones who will OBEY what he commanded. The equation must be balanced…

Posted: at 1-05-2011 11:11 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Please, will you tell and show how you say the Bible was copied from ancient african texts?

Posted: at 1-05-2011 10:57 PM (14 years ago) | Upcoming

I am aware of how many of my African ancestors died at the hands of those PROFESSING to be Christian crusaders.  It’s a painful part of my family’s past history.  Many Africans were killed, not on anything that was truth or just…just plain greed, selfishness, and mental delusion.  They were forced to renounce their African heritage and cut all connections to Africa, their homeland.  God is not in it…the way that you might believe.  A false doctor is a false doctor no matter what they say but it doesn’t make all doctors false.  It’s the same logic regarding being a true Christian, it takes more than mere talking. Did not Hitler claim to be a Christian…but what did his actions say?  Hitler actions shouted that he was not a Christian but so many still believed him and still do till this day.  What is really in the heart will come out in our actions. 

Proof God exists (the evidence is too massive to include prophetic and historical):

If a person opposes the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It’s like if someone refuses to believe that people walked on the moon…no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.  On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."  Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him?
 
Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.  Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up.  The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:  It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
A Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."

Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.
All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell.  Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
A former atheist testimony:  I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?  What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.


Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.  He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."  He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."

Posted: at 2-05-2011 12:21 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming

1st reason to disbelieve.starting from the earliest to the furthest!!!

The Discovery of Ugarit and the Ugaritic Texts

In 1928 a group of French archaeologists journeyed with 7 camels, one donkey, and some burden bearers towards the tel known as Ras Shamra. After a week at the site they discovered a cemetery 150 meters from the Mediterranean Sea. In the graves they discovered Egyptian and Phoenician artwork and alabaster. They also found some Mycenean and Cypriot materials.

After the discovery of the cemetery they found a city and a royal palace about 1000 meters from the sea on a tel 18 meters high. The tel was called by the locals Ras Shamra which means "fennel hill". There also Egyptian artifacts were discovered and dated to the 2nd millennium BC.

The style of writing discovered at Ugarit is known as alphabetic cuneiform. This is a unique blending of an alphabetic script and cuneiform; thus it is a unique blending of two styles of writing. Most likely it came into being as cuneiform was passing from the scene and alphabetic scripts were making their rise. Ugaritic is thus a bridge from one to the other.

One example of this is found in Proverbs 26:23. In the Hebrew text Mygys Psk is divided just as it is here. This has caused commentators quite a bit of confusion over the centuries, for what does "silver lips" mean? The discovery of the Ugaritic texts has helped us to understand that the word was divided incorrectly by the Hebrew scribe (who was as unfamiliar as we are with what the words were supposed to mean). Instead of the two words above, the Ugaritic texts lead us to divide the two words as Mygysps k which means "like silver". This makes eminently more sense in context than the word mistakenly divided by the Hebrew scribe who was unfamiliar with the second word; so he divided into two words which he did know even though it made no sense.

For example, in Proverbs 9:1-18 wisdom and folly are personified as women. This means that when the Hebrew wisdom teacher instructed his students on these matters, he was drawing on material that was commonly known in the Phoenician environment (for Ugarit was Canaanite/Phoenician). In point of fact, KTU 1,7 VI 2-45 is nearly identical to Proverbs 9:1ff. (The abbreviation KTU stands for "Keilalphabetische Texte aus Ugarit", the standard collection of this material. The numbers are what we might call the chapter and verse). KTU 1.114:2-4 says-

hklh. sh. lqs. ilm. tlhmn
ilm w tstn. tstnyn `d sbí
trt. `d. skr. yí.db .yrh

"Eat, o Gods, and drink,
drink wine till you are sated,
Which is very similar to Proverbs 9:5;
"Come, eat of my food and drink wine that I have mixed".

Ugaritic poetry is very similar to Biblical poetry and is therefore very useful in interpreting difficult poetic texts. In fact, Ugaritic literature (besides lists and the like) is composed completely in poetic metre. Biblical poetry follows Ugaritc poetry in form and function. There is parallelism, qinah metre, bi and tri colas, and all of the poetic tools found in the Bible are found at Ugarit. In short the Ugaritic materials have a great deal to contribute to our understanding of the Biblical materials; especially since they predate any of the Biblical texts.

The prophets of the Old Testament rail against Baal, Asherah and various other gods on nearly every page. The reason for this is simple to understand; the people of Israel worshipped these gods along with, and sometimes instead of, Yahweh, the God of Israel. This Biblical denunciation of these Phoenician gods received a fresh face when the Ugaritic texts were discovered, for at Ugarit these were the very gods that were worshipped.

El was the chief god at Ugarit. Yet El is also the name of God used in many of the Psalms for Yahweh. Yet when one reads these Psalms and the Ugaritic texts one sees that the very attributes for which Yahweh is acclaimed are the same for which El is acclaimed. In fact, these Psalms were most likely originally Ugaritic or Phoenician hymns to El which were simply adopted by Israel, much like the American National Anthem was set to a beer hall tune by Francis Scott Key. El is called the "father of men", "creator", and "creator of the creation". These attributes are also granted Yahweh by the Old Testament.

In 2 Kings 22:19-22 we read of Yahweh meeting with his heavenly council. This is the very description of heaven which one finds in the Ugaritic texts. For in those texts the "sons of god" are the sons of El.

Other deities worshipped at Ugarit were El Shaddai, El Elyon, and El Berith. All of these names are applied to Yahweh by the writers of the Old Testament. What this means is that the Hebrew theologians adopted the titles of the Phoenician gods and attributed them to Yahweh in an effort to eliminate them. If Yahweh is all of these there is no need for the Phoenician gods to exist! This process is known as assimilation.

Besides the chief god at Ugarit there were also lesser gods, demons, and goddesses. The most important of these lesser gods were Baal (familiar to all readers of the Bible), Asherah (also familiar to readers of the Bible), Yam (the god of the sea) and Mot (the god of death). What is of great interest here is that Yam is the Hebrew word for sea and Mot is the Hebrew word for death! This is most likely so because the Hebrews also adopted these Phoenician ideas as well.

One of the most interesting of these lesser deities, Asherah, plays a very important role in the Old Testament. There she is called the wife of Baal; but she is also known as the consort of Yahweh! That is, among some Yahwists, Ahserah is Yahweh's female counterpart! Inscriptions found at Kuntillet `Ajrud (dated between 850 and 750 BC) say:

I bless you through Yahweh of Samaria,
and through his Asherah!

And at `El Qom (from the same period) this inscription:

Uriyahu, the king, has written this.
Blessed be Uriyahu through Yahweh,
and his enemies have been conquered
through Yahweh's Asherah.

That Yahwists worshipped Asherah until the 3rd century before Christ is well known from the Elephantine Papyri. Thus, for many in ancient Israel, Yahweh, like Baal, had a consort. Although condemned by the prophets, this aspect of the popular religion of Israel was difficult to overcome and indeed among many was never overcome.

As had already been mentioned, one of the more important lesser deities at Ugarit was Baal. Baal is described as the "rider on the clouds" in KTU 1.3 II 40. Interestingly enough, this description is also used of Yahweh in Psalm 68:5.

In the Old Testament Baal is named 58 times in the singular and 18 times in the plural. The prophets protested constantly against the love affair the Israelites had with Baal (cf. Hosea 2:19, for example). The reason Israel was so attracted to Baal was that, first of all, some Israelites viewed Yahweh as a God of the desert and so when they arrived in Phoenicia they thought it only proper to adopt Baal, the god of fertility. As the old saying goes, "whose land, his god". For these Israelites Yahweh was useful in the desert but not much help in the land.

There is one Ugaritic text which seems to indicate that among the inhabitants of Ugarit, Yahweh was viewed as another son of El. KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:

sm . bny . yw . ilt

"The name of the son of god, Yahweh."

This text seems to show that Yahweh was known at Ugarit, though not as the Lord but as one of the many sons of El.

Among the other gods worshipped at Ugarit there are Dagon, Tirosch, Horon, Nahar, Resheph, Kotar Hosis, Shachar (who is the equivalent of Satan), and Shalem. The folks at Ugarit were also plagued by a host of demons and lesser gods. The people at Ugarit saw the desert as the place which was most inhabited by demons (and they were like the Israelites in this belief). KTU 1.102:15-28 is a list of these demons.

One of the most famous of the lesser deities at Ugarit was a chap named Dan'il. There is little doubt that this figure corresponds to the Biblical Daniel; while predating him by several centuries. This has led many Old Testament scholars to suppose that the Canonical prophet was modeled on him. His story is found in KTU 1.17 - 1.19.

Another creature which has ties to the Old Testament is Leviathan. Isaiah 27:1 and KTU 1.5 I 1-2 describe this beast. Also see Ps 74:13-14 and 104:26.

I was going to get to Goddess Maat from here to show you also the laws of moses, but you can go research those yourselves......

Posted: at 3-05-2011 12:51 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@mchinwendu
I am happy you are aware of how many African ancestors died at the hands of Christians. You need to be fully aware though, that they were not acting as Christians, they where our first introduction to Christianity. Without them Africa will never know GOD, Jesus, nor the Holy Bible. Yes, I agree with you that the Africans were killed on greed, selfishness, and mental delusion as you call it. But I need to explain the Mental delusion so we are in understanding. The whites had to work and farm quickly cause in Winter they faced a lot of problems and crops don’t grow. They saw the Africans as having everything and being totally laid back. This created Jealousy and envy, which is why I agree with mental delusion. BUT to compound it without excusing your Christianity, It was all done under the veil of Introducing a new GOD, the TRUE GOD. Firstly, they came as traders, in order to be accepted. This did not cause wars. It was when they started to introduce Christianity and started to punish the people under Christian laws that misunderstandings started to happen. God was at the centre of this catastrophe that was building. The period am talking about is not too far ago, it was way after the invasion of Alexander the great. The era am talking about is 1555 at least 1800 years after a like atrocity had been done by Alexander-332BC. Also to note, in case you are not fully aware that before Alexander the Great’s invasion, there was Hanno the Carthage who was a well known and documented Baal Worshipper from Greek Land. At the centre of the 1555 European invasion was GOD. As this was the first time ever in Africa, starting with Alfonso I of Congo that Christianity was introduced as a religion. Prior to this period, Columbus was the one that took Christianity and GOD to the Amerindians of the Americas (present day USA). The question of how many Red Indian lives was lost from 1492 when they met with Christian God is worse than that of the Africans. Are we saying this Christian missionaries are not what they purport to be as they are not actually Christians? NO!! They are true Christians alright!! And John Hawkins’s slave ship was called JESUS CHRIST. They were all Knights of the King of England. Who is a true Christian? What makes a Christian? Lets follow that for a while.........
There could never have been any Christians around during the time of Alexander the Great. WHY? Simple, Jesus Christ was not born then, Mary nor Joseph were not even born then. You should agree with me that a Christian is one who follows the teaching of Jesus Christ and his disciples/apostles. So no Jesus, No Christian. Leaving us with How Christians came to be after the supposed death of Jesus Christ in AD6 or let’s say AD/BC-00.
In 325AD If you will agree with it was Emperor Constantine (Saint Constantine) that gave popularity to Christianity and made it acceptable a practice in Rome. If you are conversant with what happened then(in 325AD) you will realize this was the true birth of present day Christianity. Along with the birth of the Bible!!!!.
Now let’s step away from that and delve into if a form of Christianity was practiced just before the birth of Jesus, as part of Christian laws are those given by Moses. ..............I’ll just let you sink this in first since there are lots of words already on display!!!!

Posted: at 4-05-2011 03:27 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

For sure,.
But Convince the Autho. No one ever Convince Him yet.
It is Really a Hard talk.
@Chik001: I see you are trying your best to convince him but no enough point coming from your side. So keep trying and see if you can do that. But as a matter of fact, you can't Convince him with this modern Bible..
Any way am just a Refree.

Posted: at 5-05-2011 01:47 PM (14 years ago) | Upcoming

@chik001

YES, why dont we start with Genesis 12:1 like you said

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Lets start with this quote…

……Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee… Genesis 12:1
]

So are you prepared to learn the facts about how many years after the flood of Noah this verse refers to?
Am sure we will count nothin more than 1000years.
Will you be prepared to discuss how GOD knew Egypt existed as a well organized and rich Nation?
Will you be prepared to further discuss with me, that the Egyptians are a decendant of NUBIA?
If we can do this? I will show you that there is no way the population of the world can be justified as per the timeline between the flood and Abraham with his Wife Sarai going to Egypt.
I will also show you that NUBIA was more advanced than Egypt at that time. Also take you to the point when EGYPT fought with NUBIA before Abraham's story emerged.

Waiting!!!!

Posted: at 6-05-2011 03:36 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Democrazy,

First, please let me restate again and clarify that African ancestors died at the hand of PROFESSING Christians.  Adolf Hitler also professed to be a Christian and many others.  People can say they are many things but that is not what makes it so.  So, is your major issue with Christianity the Bible?  Christianity is not fake and the Bible, Science, Life, History and Prophecy proves it is real.

The word of God is the start...it is God's words not our own that grow in the heart of a person and transforms their life.  So, as we share our own testimony, it also necessary to share God's word.  If one is a petroleum engineer, there are manuals which give needed regulations, procedures, checks, guidelines and warnings so that one may work safely and live.  The Bible is that to Christians.
 
A true Christian's life clearly addresses it's validity:

As God's people, God speaks to the heart of all those who have a relationship with him.  So say there is someone at the market who is hurting or in need; God will speak to one of his people and prepare his person to meet the one that is hurting or in need.  The one in need will maybe need food, God prepares his person to go and buy a variety of food stuff at the market; they may not know why at this point, only that God is instructing them to do it and they should do it.  God's person buys the food, and just as they pass someone, God will speak to their heart and say, give it to that person.  The person in need is amazed because they didn't think God was listening to them or heard them but God knows our heart and God answers prayers.
 
There is someone who has car trouble on the road.  They pray to God, as they are heading to an important appointment regarding employment.  God has one of his people near by and speaks to a mans heart to go a way to work that he never ever goes.  Along the way, he sees the one who is having car trouble and God instructs his person to assist the one with car trouble.  When directions are asked, it is learned that they are both going to the same place.  The one with car trouble has just met the person who has the final say in hiring him.  The one with the car trouble was hired into the company.  It was God who had them cross paths that day.
 
There was a girl who lived in the US and worked a late shift.  She went to her car after work but it would not start.  She lived not to far away from her workplace but the neighborhood wasn't to safe but she decided to walk home alone and deal with her car in the morning.  As she was walking, she saw two huge scarry-looking guys walking towards her...she immediatedly began to pray, God please protect me in Jesus name.  The two huge guys walked right pass her and she makes it home safely.  Some days later, she's reading the newspaper and sees the photo of those two guys who passed her that night and that they had murdered a woman; and cut her into pieces.  Shocked, she called the newspaper to give what she knew and was directed to the police detectives handling the case.  She told the detectives that she passed these guys and gave the day and time,etc.; and that they walked right pass her.  From that time-line, it could be seen that the very next woman these two saw was the woman they cut into pieces.  The detectives now had it asked of the two, why did they let the woman before the one they murdered pass and they both said that she had two big guys with her and that if she hadn't had them with her, she was the one they would have grabbed that night.  The detectives now told the woman that the murderers both stated that she had two big men with her, one on each side.  The woman told them that she was alone...then she stopped and began to cry because she remembered that she prayed for God to protect her and God did, by placing two angels with her.  She thanked God for her life because that night she could have lost it. 

These are real events that happen in people's lives now. The Christian life is very real and God continues to take care of his people in amazing ways.  But whoever is not with God is unprotected, and is still under the law and judgment.  Those with God through Jesus Christ is under the umbrella of grace.

Posted: at 16-05-2011 02:34 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming

I've said it elsewhere but I'll say it here too; you cannot prove a religion to be true or false through logic or science. Religion is faith and faith is not ruled for logic.

Science has unlocked many of the secrets of the Universe but it cannot account for or answer the questions of faith. Evolution is a fact, but it doesn't say that you cannot believe what you want to believe. If you see science as a threat to your faith, then perhaps you are not as strong in your faith as you thought.

Posted: at 19-05-2011 12:39 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Human society existed for thousands of years before Christianity; not much of a bedrock, is it? As for me being blind - I'll chalk that up to extreme chutzpah.

Oh, and I'm hearing-impaired, but since you didn't know that, I'll let the 'hear but you can not understand' comment go.

Posted: at 20-05-2011 11:17 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac