I can prove christianity is fake (Page 5)

Quote from: ajepakoromance on 29-09-2010 06:40 PM

@democrazy, Hahaha!!!, you let the dog out too soon..She is so lucky..Hahahaha!!!..I know she lives in  fear,so i want to activate that fear in her and give her sleepless night without having to see her..She is so lucky you show her the way out so soon..My mind control spell would have worked on her so good..

Anyway, am just playing with her mind with words..Blackness or darkness = life,you see how i use words to scare her..If she is in her rightful mind,she will just laugh me off,bcus there is no evil in darkness..Again,God and jesus,does not exist and if they do,they are human or the images of human..So to curse anyone or to swear by them carry no power,hehehehe!!!.

@Ksurrina,don't be afraid,since neither jesus,devil nor God do exist or have you seen any of them?...My curse carries no power they are just to make you afraid hehehe!!!..This is how mind control works..Cheers jesus mother,do you know anything about the 'BLACK MADONNA OR OSUN'?.This is were the concept of holy spirit is perverted from..Make your own research..Be careful of lucifer too,hehehe!!.That also means light..Are you afraid of light tooo?..HEHEHEH!!!!.

Back to the fight..Brb.

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lol my brother and why should I live in FEAR? My Heavenly Father the Almighty God is my fighter and protector, who can stand up against Him. Satan tried and was cast out of heaven and now blinding people like you with his lies and wickedness. Am not Jesus mother ooo that is a prestigious position that I wouldn't want at all. But am proud to say that am His bride, servant, sister and friend. Continue to keep me on my feet my dear brothers all you are doing is preparing me for when I start going on the road. lol lol lol I know I will meet a lot like you and because I have been groom how to answer and stand up to the devil with you guys, I know that just has how the Holy Spirit is with me here He will when am on the road.

Demo I notice you miss my Hugs and Blessings here to you both. Love you both.

Posted: at 29-09-2010 09:17 PM (14 years ago) | Newbie

@ksurrina

Cos of your input and so called experience that we have not agreed to disagree on I will change the format of this forum.

Embedded from here is the start to proof..................GOD IS IMAGINARY.............

Proof #1 - Try praying

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

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Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
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If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.

Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.

If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true.

In fact, we have ample scientific evidence to demonstrate that the belief in prayer is nothing but pure superstition, as shown in the next proof... but before that lets disect this rationale...........

Posted: at 30-09-2010 03:21 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Proof #2 - Statistically analyze prayer

The fact is, God never answers any prayers. The entire idea that "God answers prayers" is an illusion created by human imagination.

How do we know that "answered prayers" are illusions? We simply perform scientific experiments. We ask a group of believers to pray for something and then we watch what happens. What we find, whenever we test the efficacy of prayer scientifically, is that prayer has zero effect:

It does not matter who prays.
It does not matter if we pray to God, Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Ra or any other human god.
It does not matter what we pray about.
If we perform scientific, double-blind tests on prayer, and if the prayers involve something concrete and measurable (for example, healing people with cancer), we know that there is zero effect from prayer. Every single "answered prayer" is nothing more than a coincidence. Both scientific experiments and your everyday observations of the world show this to be the case every single time.

For example, this article says:

One of the most scientifically rigorous studies yet, published earlier this month, found that the prayers of a distant congregation did not reduce the major complications or death rate in patients hospitalized for heart treatments.
And:
A review of 17 past studies of ''distant healing," published in 2003 by a British researcher, found no significant effect for prayer or other healing methods.
This article from March, 2006 discusses the fact that the same conclusion was reached in another study:

In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications.
In this article we find an amazing quote where theologians and religious leaders declare that prayer has no actual effect:
Religious leaders will breathe a sigh of relief at the news that so-called intercessory prayer is medically ineffective. In a large and much touted scientific study, one group of patients was told that strangers would pray for them, a second group was told strangers might or might not pray for them, and a third group was not prayed for at all. The $2.4 million study found that the strangers' prayers did not help patients' recovery.
This is a remarkable example of "positive spin" -- religious leaders are "breathing a sigh of relief" because prayer has been shown to be meaningless. The fact that prayer is a total waste of time does not matter to them. It does not matter that all of Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible have been proven completely false.
A peer-reviewed scientific study published in 2001 did indicate that prayer works. According to this article:

"On October 2, 2001, the New York Times reported that researchers at prestigious Columbia University Medical Center in New York had discovered something quite extraordinary. Using virtually foolproof scientific methods the researchers had demonstrated that infertile women who were prayed for by Christian prayer groups became pregnant twice as often as those who did not have people praying for them. The study was published in the Journal of Reproductive Medicine. Even the researchers were shocked. The study's results could only be described as miraculous."
This study was later proven to be completely fraudulent. However, everyone who cut out the original article in the NYTimes and posted it on their refrigerators still has that article as "proof" that prayer works.
This article entitled A prayer before dying uncovers another case where a "scientific study" of prayer is unmasked as fraudulent.

It's not just prayer that is ineffective. Not even a hopeful attitude helps. According to this article:

A positive attitude does not improve the chances of surviving cancer and doctors who encourage patients to keep up hope may be burdening them, according to the results of research released Monday.
The dictionary defines the word "superstition" in this way:

An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome. [ref]
The belief in prayer is a superstition. It has been proven scientifically over and over again. When a prayer appears to be answered, it is a coincidence. Quite simply, prayer has absolutely no effect on the outcome of any event. The "power of prayer" is actually "the power of coincidence."
Prayer does not work because God is completely imaginary.

Posted: at 30-09-2010 03:24 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Proof #3 - Think about science

Notice what happens when anyone is "miraculously cured". A person is sick, the person prays (or a prayer circle prays for the person) and the person is cured. A religious person looks at it and says, "God performed a miracle because of prayer!" That is the end of it.

A scientist looks at it in a very different way. A scientist looks at it and says, "Prayer had nothing to do with it - there is a natural cause for what we see here. If we understand the natural cause, then we can heal many more people suffering from the same condition."

In other words, it is only by assuming that God is imaginary that science can proceed.

You can see a direct example of science at work in this article:

Fleming had so much going on in his lab that it was often in a jumble. This disorder proved very fortunate. In 1928, he was straightening up a pile of Petri dishes where he had been growing bacteria, but which had been piled in the sink. He opened each one and examined it before tossing it into the cleaning solution. One made him stop and say, "That's funny."
Some mold was growing on one of the dishes... not too unusual, but all around the mold, the staph bacteria had been killed... very unusual. He took a sample of the mold. He found that it was from the penicillium family, later specified as Penicillium notatum. Fleming presented his findings in 1929, but they raised little interest. He published a report on penicillin and its potential uses in the British Journal of Experimental Pathology.

Fleming worked with the mold for some time, but refining and growing it was a difficult process better suited to a chemist. The work was taken over by a team of chemists and mold specialists, but was cut short when several of them died or relocated.

In 1935, Australian Howard Florey was appointed professor of pathology at Oxford University where he headed up a laboratory. This was a daunting task in an economically depressed time, and seeking funding for the researchers and work he hoped to do took much of his time. One researcher he hired soon after his arrival was Ernst Chain. Chain was paid to do cancer research, and work that spilled over into Florey's own interest and work on lysozyme. Chain became quite enthusiastic about the search for antibacterial chemicals. In looking back at old articles written about lysozyme, including those by Fleming in the 1920s, he happened across Fleming's paper on penicillin. "I had come across this paper early in 1938 and on reading it I immediately became interested," he wrote.

The Oxford team, as Florey's researchers have become known, began experimenting with the penicillin mold. They took it one step further than Fleming did: they did not just try it topically or in a petri dish, but injected it in live mice. With controlled experimentation, they found it cured mice with bacterial infections. They went on to try it on a few human subjects and saw amazing results. By now it was 1941, and England was at war. As Fleming first foresaw, the wartime need for an antibacterial was great, but resources were tight and penicillin still very experimental. Florey had connections at the Rockefeller Foundation in the United States, however, and it funded further research.

Did Fleming or Floring say, as a religious person would, "The death of this bacteria is a miracle! God has reached down and killed it!" Of course not. Instead, they completely ignored "God". They determined what was actually happening through experimentation and then made useful medicines from the mold. They took a rational approach rather than a religious approach and we all benefit from penicillin and its many derivatives today.
All of science works in this way. Only by assuming that God is imaginary and prayer is meaningless can science proceed.

The reason why scientists must assume that God is imaginary in order for the scientific method to work is because God is imaginary.

Posted: at 30-09-2010 03:39 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@Demo I have no time to read your long and blasphemy notes. Just know that with God it start with LOVE,  BELIEVE and end with FAITH.  This love should come from your SOUL. Whether it be imaginary yes or no, I know that they have been there for millions who are now living and those who were alive. Stop fighting what you cannot win. Even in the scientific world one has to have believe to familiarize whatever concept they want to put across to the massive. Nothing started out on a whim. But one thing I know is that what the scientific community want to do will never happen, there is a true and living God. The bible is true and all we have to do is apply it inside our lives and we will have a wonderful life. Hugs and blessings

Posted: at 30-09-2010 08:05 PM (14 years ago) | Newbie

@Ksurrina(FaithBMinistry) i know you cant read as you are just interested in preaching the GHOST SPELL(Gospel). Mind you, this is a forum not a church. It is where topics are debated. I have no time also to listen to members of the EVIL ANGELS LIST(Evangelist).

@chik001, you are just arguing blindly. You see if i come out today and say Hitler did not kill the jews or there was no holocaust, I most likely will end up in JAIL. You are denying that the red indians where wiped out by the christians, or the phalestinians where not destroyed by the same faith to mention but a few. You are also denying your african heritage. i am feeling so low here having to say these words to you. How can you say an imaginary God can just kill and destroy humans without the proof of this God creating humans. i am really so sad that you also condone all the destructions and genocide. Tell me how many Isrealites where killed by the egytians. Including those mentioned in the bible during the supposed enslavement of the Isrealites? Please tell me how many isrealites where killed(not in self defence during wars) by other nations in the bible? Tell me that you agree with the eradication of the red indians, the irish, the the africans, the aborigines, to mention but a few, by the christian expansionist and God fearing and loving saints?

I will not get angry, but allow you to see a comparison of the Egytians and your christian origin.


The Ancient Egyptian/Christian Holy Families



The very thing that is now called the Christian religion was already in existence in Ancient Egypt, long before the adoption of the New Testament. The British Egyptologist, Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, wrote in his book, The Gods of the Egyptians [1969],

The new religion (Christianity) which was preached there by St. Mark and his immediate followers, in all essentials so closely resembled that which was the outcome of the worship of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.
The similarities, noted by Budge and everyone who has compared the Egyptian Ausar/Auset/Heru (Osiris/Isis/Horus) allegory to the Gospel story, are striking. Both accounts are practically the same, e.g. the supernatural conception, the divine birth, the struggles against the enemy in the wilderness, and the resurrection from the dead to eternal life. The main difference between the “two versions”, is that the Gospel tale is considered historical and the Ausar/Auset/Heru (Osiris/Isis/Horus) cycle is an allegory.

Allegories are intentionally chosen as a means for communicating knowledge. Allegories dramatize cosmic laws, principles, processes, relationships and functions, and express them in a way easy to understand. Once the inner meanings of the allegories have been revealed, they become marvels of simultaneous scientific and philosophical completeness and conciseness. The more they are studied, the richer they become. The ‘inner dimension’ of the teachings embedded into each story make them capable of revealing several layers of knowledge, according to the stage of development of the listener. The “secrets” are revealed as one evolves higher. The higher we get, the more we see. It is always there.

The Egyptians (Ancient and present-day Baladi) did/do not believe their allegories as historical facts. They believed IN them, in the sense that they believed in the truth beneath the stories.

The Christian religion threw away and lost the very soul of their meaning when it mistranslated the Ancient Egyptian allegorical language into alleged history, instead of viewing it as spiritual allegory. The result was a pathetic, blind faith in a kind of emotional and superstitious supernaturalism, and effectively aborted the real power of the story/allegory to transform the life of every individual.





The Egyptian allegory of Auset (Isis) and Ausar (Osiris) explains practically all facets of life. This love story resonates with betrayal and loyalty, death and rebirth, forgetting and remembering, evil and righteousness, duty and compassion, the manifestation of the forces of nature, the meaning of sisterhood and brotherhood and of motherhood/fatherhood/sonhood, and the mysteries of the body, the soul, and the spirit.

The following is a shortened version of the story of the Auset/Ausar Egyptian allegory, so as to highlight the Egyptian source of Christianity. This narrative is compiled from Ancient Egyptian temples, tombs, and papyri, dated 3,000 years before Christianity, and goes as follows:

The self-created Atum begat the twins Shu and Tefnut, who in turn gave birth to Nut (the sky/spirit) and Geb (the earth/matter). [More details about the creation of the universe and man in chapter 13 of our book, The Ancient Egyptian Roots of Christianity.]

The union of Nut (spirit) and Geb (matter) produced four offspring, Ausar (Osiris), Auset (Isis), Set (Seth), and Nebt-Het (Nepthys).

Like the biblical Jesus, Ausar (Osiris) symbolizes the divine in a mortal form—combining both spirit (Nut) and matter (Geb).

According to the Ancient Egyptian traditions, Ausar (Osiris) came to earth for the benefit of mankind, bearing the title of Manifester of Good and Truth, likewise, the biblical Jesus.

 The Egyptian allegory goes that Ausar married Auset, and Set married Nebt-Het. Ausar became King of the land (Egypt) after marrying Auset.

Ausar (Osiris) brought civilization and spirituality to the people, enabling them thus, to achieve prosperity. He gave them a body of laws to regulate their conduct, settled their disputes justly, and instructed them in the science of spiritual development.

Having civilized Egypt, he traveled around the world to spread the same instructions. Wherever Ausar (Osiris) went he brought peace and learning to the people.

Between the two evangelists (Ausar and Jesus), there are vivid similarities. The divine son comes down from heaven. God came down to earth to guide the world. Both had traveled to spread the word.
 
 Ausar (Osiris) induced people to accept his teachings, not by force of arms, but by the use of persuasive lectures, spiritual hymns, and music. Diodorus of Sicily wrote, in Book I [18, 4]:



Ausar (Osiris) was laughter-loving and fond of music and the dance;
Similarly, the biblical Jesus was persuasive and was celebrated as Lord of the Dance in a Christmas carol from the Middle Ages. 
 When Ausar (Osiris) returned from his mission, he was greeted with a royal feast, where he was tricked by Set (Seth)—the evil one—and his accomplices into lying down inside a makeshift coffin. The evil group quickly closed and sealed the chest, and threw it into the Nile. Set became the new Pharaoh—as the coffin containing the lifeless body of Ausar flowed into the Mediterranean Sea.

Both Jesus and Osiris were betrayed by dinner guests (Jesus by Judas, and Ausar/Osiris by Set (Seth/Typhon) at their own privately-held banquets. The biblical Jesus’ age was assumed to be 23 years old and Ausar (Osiris) was 28 years old—both of young ages.

Meanwhile, Auset (Isis), upon receiving the news of Ausar’s fate and disappearance, was in grief and vowed never to rest until she found the Manifester of Truth—Ausar.
 
 Auset (Isis) searched everywhere, accosting everyone she met, including children, for it was said that children had/have the power of divination.

Children, with the power of divination, are acknowledged by the biblical Jesus in the New Testament.
 
 The story goes that one day during her search, Auset (Isis) requested shelter at the house of a poor woman.

This point signifies the paramount feature of the Egyptian teachings where one was/is taught not to consider oneself to be superior to others, but to rank oneself as the poorest, lowest, and most humble of mankind. This applies to everyone—including Auset, the Queen.

By fabricating humble roots for Jesus and his family, Christiandom missed the point that it is the powerful who must learn to be humble.
 
 Humility is symbolized in the action of the Christ King [Matthew, 21:5 and John, 12:13-15] to mount an ass—that represents the ego and false pride. This is truly Ancient Egyptian symbolism. 
 The story continues that the coffin of Ausar (Osiris) was swept by the waves to the shoreline of a foreign land. A tree sprang up and grew around it, enclosing the body of Ausar in its trunk. The tree grew large, beautiful, and fragrant. [See an Ancient Egyptian temple depiction below.] News of this magnificent tree came to the king of this alien land, who ordered that the tree be cut down, and its trunk brought to him. He utilized the trunk as a pillar in his house without knowing the great secret it contained within.

This is reference to the Tree of Life, and with all that that implies. It is also a reference to the Tet (Djed) pillar of Ausar (Osiris).

In Christianity, this became the Christmas tree.

 
 Auset (Isis) had a revelation in her dreams that Ausar’s body was in this alien land, so she immediately traveled there. When she arrived she dressed as a commoner and befriended the queen’s handmaidens and was able to get a job in the palace as a nurse of the baby prince. <

Auset (Isis), the Queen of Egypt, practiced the Egyptian teachings that emphasize the practice of humility by serving others without exception—to achieve union with her love—The Divine.
 
 Later on, Auset (Isis) confessed her identity to the queen, and the purpose of her mission. Auset (Isis) then asked the king that the pillar be given to her. The king granted her request, and she cut deep into the trunk and took out the chest. 
 Auset (Isis) returned back to Egypt with the chest containing Ausar’s lifeless body. She hid the body in the marshes of the Nile Delta. Auset used her magical powers [according to Pyramid Texts number 632, 1636, and murals at Abydos and Philae] to transform herself into a dove. Drawing Ausar’s essence from him, she conceived a child—Heru (Horus). In other words, Auset was impregnated by the holy ghost of Ausar. [See the Ancient Egyptian temple depiction below.]

This action symbolizes reincarnation and spiritual rebirth—a key to understanding the Egyptian belief in life after death.




Ancient Egyptian temple depiction showing Auset on the left, as her magical essence embodied in the flying dove draws the essence of Ausar to be impregnated. On the left, a frog-headed netert, Heqet, symbolizes the power of fertility, representing conception and procreation.
 
 Auset’s conception of Heru by no living man is the oldest documented version of immaculate conception. The supernatural conception and the virgin birth of Heru (Horus) found their way into Christianity.

Auset’s (Isis’) role in the Egyptian Model Story and the story of the Virgin Mary are strikingly similar, for both were able to conceive without male impregnation, and, as such, Auset was revered as the Virgin Mother.

For more information about:

The Egyptian origin of the name Mary
The Egyptian origin and meaning of Christ being Heru (Horus), son of Auset (Isis)
The Ancient Egyptian concept of holy (virgin) conception/birth
The ideal of virginity in the Ancient Egyptian culture
refer to our book, The Ancient Egyptian Roots of Christianity, by Moustafa Gadalla. 
 When Set heard about the new child (Heru), Set went to kill the newborn. Hearing that Set was coming, Auset was told to take him to a secluded spot in the marshes of the Nile Delta [as per the Ancient Egyptian temple depiction shown below].



This is the source of the story in which Herod, upon hearing about the birth of the biblical Jesus, set out to destroy all the newborn males. In the New Testament the angel of the Lord says to Joseph, “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.”

Like Auset, the Virgin Mary is celebrated as the “Queen of Marshes”.
 
 An Ancient Egyptian festival celebrating the birth of Heru (Horus), was held on 25 December, and it resembles the Christian festival of Christmas.
The celebration was called The Day of the Child in His Cradle, and was held at the court and the chapel of the Dendera Temple. [More info in our book, The Ancient Egyptian Roots of Christianity, by Moustafa Gadalla.] 
 The story continues that one night (while Auset (Isis) was giving birth to Heru (Horus) in hiding), and when the moon was full, the evil Set and his accomplices found the chest containing the dead body of Ausar and cut him into 14 pieces (the 14 symbolizes the number of days required to shape a full moon). Ausar represents the lunar principle in the universe and is known as Ausar the Moon.

When Auset (Isis) heard about how Set (Seth)and his accomplices cut Ausar (Osiris) into different pieces, and scattered them throughout the land, her job was to search near and far, so as to collect and put the broken pieces back together.

To bind or tie together is the meaning of the "Latin" word religio, which is the root of the word religion.
By remembering and recollecting the story of Auset and Ausar (Isis and Osiris), we keep in our hearts a tale that expresses, in Joseph Cambell’s words, “the immanence of divinity in the phenomenal forms of the universe.”
 
 As soon as Heru (Horus) had grown to manhood, he challenged Set (Seth) for the right to the throne in what was called the Great Quarrel/Struggle in the Wilderness.

Auset (Isis), with the help of others, collected all the pieces... all except the phallus (indicative of physical reproduction), which had been swallowed by a fish in the Nile. She then reunited the dismembered body of Ausar and, with the help of others, wrapped it in linen bandages, and mummified it.

Tehuti (Thoth/Hermes/Mercury), Auset (Isis), and Heru (Horus) performed the Ceremony of Opening The Mouth upon the mummy, and Ausar (Osiris) was brought back to life as the Judge and King of the Dead (the past), while Heru (Horus) was to take his place as king of the living (the present). Set (Seth) remained the Lord of Wilderness.

This represents the everlasting perpetual cycle of the spiritual power on earth: The King is dead (Ausar/Osiris); Long live the King (Heru/Horus).
 
 
As the Pefect Shepherd, Ausar (Osiris) is usually shown in a mummified bearded human body, carrying the shepherd’s crook (being the shepherd of mankind) and the flail (symbolizing the ability to separate wheat from chaff). 
 The shepherd motif is encountered in the 23rd Psalm; “thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me”. 
 In many ways, the account of the Resurrection of Jesus is similar to that of Ausar (Osiris). Like Ausar, he is said to have risen from the dead. The Ancient Egyptians believed, as did the early Christians (Hebrews, 4:14), that ”man cannot be saved” by a distant Almighty, but only by one who has shared the experience of human suffering and death.
Both Ausar (Osiris) and Jesus suffered and died.
Both Ausar and Jesus were shortly resurrected after their deaths. Reassuming earthly form, they demonstratively affirmed proper conduct and its other-worldly rewards, after which time they returned to heaven, having “saved the world”.
Both became the savior to whom men and women turned, for assurance of immortality.
The medieval Passion plays concerning the death and resurrection of Jesus closely parallels the death and resurrection of the Egyptian King as Ausar (Osiris).

Finally, the biblical story about the raising from the dead of El-Asar or Lazarus has maintained the Ancient Egyptian name/concept of the Ancient Egyptian Ausar (Osiris). The miracle described in John’s Gospel was never an historic event, instead it was a recurring, deeply archetypal and widely used symbol of God’s power to resurrect the dead.

Posted: at 1-10-2010 10:11 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

BECOMING AWARE OF EGYPT AND ITS INFLUENCE UPON JUDAISM & CHRISTIANITY

Over the years of my Bible Study I have seen that basically views about the Bible fall into three basic categories:

That despite its many contradictions, every word it contains is to be taken literally
The the Bible is basically a historical work which became distorted as a result of its initial long oral tradition and also to some extent at the hands of the biblical editors who eventually set it down in writing
That the Bible is simply a collection of fanciful fairy tales couched in extravagant language
I personally believe, having done intense study for almost 20 years on the Bible and its origin, that the Bible is fundamentally a historical work. Basically it is a collection of stories, some true, some untrue, and many which are highly symbolic allegories which lay out for man the path of the Soul and its maturation as told through the medium of personification. This sounds not too difficult but in reality it is. Truly such a study to get to what is behind these stories we read which we mistakenly take for "literal truth" is not as easy as this as you will soon come to see. Understand something very important right from the start of such a study; that is, that what we read which we read and interpret to be a "literal story" might, upon study be shown to not be a historical reality, but that does not negate or destroy the Divine Truth that is veiled in such a story. These "stories" are but vehicles for instruction of the Soul of man and his awakening to the Divine within his very being. Thus the need by the Ancients to reveal these truths through symbolism, metaphor, and myth in order to capture these Divine Truths for all eternity. Sadly we read the stories never realizing that they are but pictures of the development and hoped for spiritual development of mankind and his Soul.

When one approaches the Old Testament one quickly is instructed that the Old Testament contains the story of the Jewish people. Yet behind the scenes of study one finds that when Ezra rewrote the Torah after the Persian captivity that certain "identities" of very important characters were changed in order to cover up who these individuals truly were and the religion that they practiced. In other words these "black skinned captives" who were returning home were never to know their truth identity as the children of Egyptians and their intermarriage with Semites. That is until today where archeology is revealing these hidden truths to those who will listen.

We end up with a Jewish book with Jewish origins; I found that such "origins" need to be reexamined in the light of current archeology and Egyptology. I cannot stress enough the importance of these alterations and changes made by Ezra to the Jewish people's history and their original faith. The result of such alterations has obscured the truth concerning the Jewish Nation and their original faith to this day. The legacy of such deception rests with us today in many of the religious doctrines cherished by Gentile Christianity which never found their origin with God.

Simply said we have failed to understand the Old Testament correctly in many places because we have tried to fit Egyptian history into the Bible rather than fit the Bible into Egyptian history. As if that is not enough for failing to obtain a clear picture of the Old Testament is the fact that the length of the Israelite Sojourn in Egypt is accurately four generations and not four hundred years. Failure to understand the correct time period of the sojourn in Egypt by the Israelites means that scholars had been trying to piece together the Israelite picture at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

Answer for yourself: When was the last time you read the the Book of Genesis and the story of Joseph the Patriarch, the favorite son of Jacob, who was sold into slavery in Egypt by his jealous half-brothers and was appointed the virtual ruler of the country under an unnamed Pharaoh after, according to the Bible, foretelling the seven lean years that would follow seven good years?

I find especially moving to my spirit the account of how Joseph revealed his identity to his half-brothers when they made the second of two visits to Egypt from Canaan at a time of famine. He told them that they should not reproach themselves for what they had done for "it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt." Joseph then obtained Pharaoh's permission for his father, half-brothers and the tribe of Israel to join him in Egypt.

Archeologist and Egyptologists today reveal to us today the connection between Yuya, a minister of the Pharaohs Tuthmosis IV (c. 1413-1405 B.C.) and his son Amenhotep III [Solomon] (c. 1405-1367 B.C.). Although he was not apparently of royal blood, the tomb of Yuya was surprisingly found in the Valley of the Kings in 1905 and, more significantly, he is the only person we know of in Egyptian history to have the title "it ntr n nb tawi," holy father of the Lord of the Two Lands (Pharaoh's formal title). It occurs once on one of his ushabti (royal funeral statuette No. 51028 in the Cairo Museum catalogue) and more than twenty times on his funerary papyrus.

Answer for yourself: Could Joseph and Yuya be the same person?

Archeology is our friend for as Yeshua is recorded as saying "the rocks are crying out" like never before. The argument that Yuya is the Biblical Joseph received support with the discovery late in 1989 of the tomb, almost intact, of Aper-el, the hitherto unknown vizier of the Pharaoh Akhenaten, the son of Amenhotep III. Notice his name end in "el." The name "Aper-el" provides a semantic link between the Israelites and the Amarna regime, of which Akhenaten was the first of four rulers. Similar names are known to have existed in Egypt at this time, but never in the case of high officials. The name "Aper" corresponds to the Egyptian word for "Hebrew," which meant to ancient Egyptians a nomad, and the final "el" is the short form of "Elohim," one of the words used in the Bible as the name of "the Lord".

The fact that Akhenaten's vizier was a Hebrew worshipper of El confirms the link between the Egyptian king and Israelites living in Egypt at the time. Furthermore, the fact that Queen Tiye, the mother of Akhenaten, was associated with her husband, Amenhotep III, in donating a box to the funerary furniture of Aper.-el indicates the possibility that the vizier was a relation of the queen's, most probably through her Israelite father, Yuya (Joseph).

Once Yuya was identified as Joseph, a number of other aspects of the Israelite story fall into place - that the arrival of the Israelites in Egypt occurred more than two centuries later than had been thought; that their Sojourn lasted for four generations, not four centuries, and that the four Amarna kings - Akhenaten, Semenkhkare, Tutankhamun and Aye - who ruled during the tumultuous period in Egyptian history when an attempt was made to replace the country's multitude of ancient gods with a monotheistic God, were all descendants of Joseph the Patriarch (WOW)!

The prime mover in this Egyptian religious upheaval was Akhenaten in the years (c. 1367-1361 B.C.) when, following a period as co-regent, he became sole ruler upon the death of his father, Amenhotep III [the Biblical David]. Today many Egyptologist and archeologist agree that Akhenaten is to be identified as the biblical Moses and the "monotheistic Pharaoh of Egypt" which tried to end Osiris worship.

I remember in Seminary when taking a class on Proverbs reading in the Anchor Bible Commentary on Proverbs that man of the Proverbs were written by Amenhotep. I wonder to myself why an Egyptian was writing these Proverbs when I had previously thought that Solomon was the writer of them. Little did I know then that Solomon was a Pharaoh portrayed as a Jew in the Hebrew Scriptures. Little did I know then that the Patriarchs were to be "uncovered" as Pharaohs as well; including the David of the Bible.

Man, have we swallowed this Bible hook-line and sinker? So what is the truth? Does it matter? Why were the identities of these men changed? Could Egypt have been monotheistic and we led to misunderstand their religion today due to the influence of Rome?

Sure, I want to stimulate your thinking and turn you on to study; the highest form of worship in the first century. To know God and His revelation and message to us is paramount to mankind but as you are beginning to see in prior studies with Bet Emet that we have not been told the truth and now we come to the Old Testament and there problems there as well.

Normally I don't get into Egypt much because I have not mastered it as I have other disciplines of study but the information that is available today is astounding as we collect again the primary revelations of God to mankind that Egypt was given. Let us never forget that the first Messianic promise in Isaiah is given to Egypt before later ones given to their children...the Jews.

After nearly five thousand years of prohibition against the Greeks, they were permitted to enter Egypt for the purpose of their education. First through the Persian invasion and secondly through the invasion of Alexander the Great. From the sixth century B.C. therefore to the death of Aristotle (322 B. C.) the Greeks made the best of their chance to learn all they could about Egyptian culture; most students received instructions directly from the Egyptian Priests, but after the invasion by Alexander the Great, the Royal temples and libraries were plundered and pillaged, and Aristotle's school converted the library at Alexandria into a research centre. There is no wonder then, that the production of the unusually large number of books ascribed to Aristotle has proved a physical impossibility, for any single man within a life time. Again the truths of the Egyptian civilization and their understanding of God were destroyed by Alexander the Great.

Let me say in closing that Alexander the Great would conquer Egypt and destroy the nation and its religion and Hellenize it beyond recognition almost but no one was ever able to conquer and change the religion of their children..the Jewish people. That's right; the Egyptian and Semites had children...we call them the Jews today. Sure, attempts have been made to destroy the Jewish people just like their parents...the Egyptians; some more successful that others but it refreshing to see that the true Egyptian faith and religion the Jewish faith continue today. We only have to recognize it for what it really is. No wonder great men who themselves were sons of God [Son of Ra...the Pharaohs] knew God and His truth that we only grasp at today. This you might find hard to believe because of your conditioning as Gentile Christians today but the very basic religious doctrines of the Jews can be shown to originate with the Egyptians; even the concept of the Messiah. That's right; I said "the Messiah is first taught in Egypt." That should be alarming to you considering what you have been taught by Rome and our New Testaments that only Gentile Christianity has the truth. The irony of the whole matter is that I found over twenty years that I had very little truth at the hands of Rome and it's Protestant daughter.

Well....time to go...but the "truth if out there Mulder" and I hope you love God enough to recover it and seek it with all your heart and your heart will skip with joy when reading things like the "Negative Confessions" of Egypt which are nothing more than the foundation for the later Ten Commandments [categories of laws...and remember the Moshe/Akhenaton was a Pharaoh] which Jewish their children would receive and teach to the world until Rome will destroy such truth and "faith" in the 4th century. The Egyptians knew what we as Christians don't today; that our relationship with God is only as good as the Laws of our Covenant which we obey. Such is love for God and Egypt knew that because they were a holy nation regardless how Roman history paints them and recreates and distorts their history. Pagans? Not on your life but Ethical Monotheists which understood the many attributes of God and portrayed them individually in figures that capture the nuance of each attribute of the Creator. But we look at those icons as if they Egyptian were crude idolators. We know nothing today it seem since the brainwashing of Rome has been so effective down through history. Rome would even go to such lengths of burning and destroying the Alexandrian library in Egypt in the early 4th century in order to destroy all evidence of such truths given to the Egyptians by God. They knew God is Creator, Sustainer, Destroyer. What they saw in the Heavens they saw in Nature and within their own bodies as well. From this comes allegory and methaphors taught as stories and myths to teach these truths. Christianity will later adopt these "truths" as if literal. That is where we get off. If you thing I am fooling you I challenge to read The Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James and you will see how when Alexander the Great destroyed Egypt and their religion and how the Greeks will take credit for all the wisdom and culture of Egypt and Rome, when they conquer Greece, continues that legacy until this very day. These Egyptians were not polytheistic as you have might of thought but truly understood the invisible Spirit of the Creator which judges mankind following our death based on our righteous deeds or the lack thereof. In fact the Egyptians taught and understood the "Big Bang" when we only in this century have come to understand. It is truly amazing how much knowledge we have lost and Rome destroyed. The Dark Ages came upon the world after the destruction of these 700,000 volumes in the Alexandrian Library by Bishop Theophilus. And we struggle today guided by the light of archeology and our thirst for truth to reacquire long lost truths about God as we separate "truth" from "fiction." Truly the rocks are crying out.

May God make you hungry for truth and you seek it with all your heart! Shalom.

Craig Lyons Ms.D., D.D., M.Div.

Posted: at 1-10-2010 11:54 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@demo, Gbolaka!,Gholaka!!,Gbolaka!!!..I truway salute..Hmmm!!!, its indeed a big effort to fetch water into a basket,,I admire and honor your courage..

Much tanx and many gratitude..Your wisdom is the proof of your effort..I enjoy every ounce in those articles you posted..''As they say,knowledge is never enough,and we all are babies compare to what has been lost and needed to be regain..

Posted: at 1-10-2010 02:58 PM (14 years ago) | Upcoming

@chik001, i forgot, The reason humanity and the world is in pain today is bcus of masculine homogeneous one sided thinking or the dominance of the left brain called patriarchy..Now tell me, what good will ever come fort of your,HIS LORD GOD JESUS,ALLAH,JEHOVAH AND YAWEH?..

Posted: at 1-10-2010 03:27 PM (14 years ago) | Upcoming

@ksurrina, for you to know am conscious of what am saying as a master, a son and the owner..Now listen..God is light..God is a masculine force in nature..God is the reflection of the dark cosmic or infinite..As they say ''out of darkness came light''..Light is a refection or a defection of life..Light can't sustain itself without a source of energy.In another word,light equal lucifer,satan,saturn,january,devil,jehovar,jesus,and God..This words are word used for mystifying or to allegorize energy..There are two conscious reality in our solar system,universe and nature (astronomy and astrology) AND cosmic and beyond (science and metaphysic, or physical and spirituality..The physical is the light (what the eye can see and the brain can comprehend) and the spirituality is the darkness (beyond human eye and the brain)..As in male and female and ext..This are elementary knowledge hope you are learning..

Posted: at 1-10-2010 04:01 PM (14 years ago) | Upcoming