Things you should know about Religion and must have one (Page 2)

Date: 28-09-2010 12:49 pm (11 years ago) | Author: Abdulrahman Abdulnasir
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- agabs at 29-11-2010 11:32 AM (10 years ago)
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RELIGION AND GOD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The Mayans had their religion.
The red indians.
The Yorubas.
The urhobo.

Etcetera.

Let us assume that the first couple of humans where created, then it is safe to say that the creator must be for us all. It is also wise to say that, he can put the Bible and the Koran in every body's heart if he so wishes.

But he hasn't. Hence the present dilemma.

So, right now, I could lock myself up and write some book with the semblance of holiness. If do find lesser minds and use my book to manipulate them or ingratiate them, I would have formed a religion.

There are new religions cropping up every day.


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- agabs at 29-11-2010 11:52 AM (10 years ago)
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The very description of God/Allah as an all powerful being and all knowing by the Holy Koran and the Bible weakens Islam and Christianity respectively.


For if God is all powerful and not answerable to man, it therefore means that he is ====================

I will stop writing. for I think there may minds with lower understanding on this site. The ramifications of a logical analysis of religion is capable of rendering some humans useless or rather insane. I will cease my analysis now.


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In religion everything comes down to faith; logic does not enforce the proposed product or standpoint.
However, a man's acceptance of God as an existence arises out of an impartial logical analysis of the world as we see it, feel it, taste it and live it.


@Poster, SEPARATE GOD FROM RELIGION.
SEPARATE GOD FROM RELIGION.

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I kind of hate debating about life on this site. I think such discusses are better held in academic circles. We would be sure that every one has a fair understanding of the employed language or at least the benefit of an interpreter. We would be sure that the participants are engaging in such a discuss not to ridicule. However, the level of immaturity on this site - as is displayed by persons during such discusses - proposes that one not participate in discussions such as this.

I must leave us with one admonition, "Words possess ambiguity and hence  sentences posses geometrical ambiguity. A wise-man will therefore be very hesitant to make conclusion for every sentence is a poem."
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- abduuul at 30-11-2010 11:38 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 29-11-2010 11:32 AM
RELIGION AND GOD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The Mayans had their religion.
The red indians.
The Yorubas.
The urhobo.

Etcetera.

Let us assume that the first couple of humans where created, then it is safe to say that the creator must be for us all. It is also wise to say that, he can put the Bible and the Koran in every body's heart if he so wishes.

But he hasn't. Hence the present dilemma.

So, right now, I could lock myself up and write some book with the semblance of holiness. If do find lesser minds and use my book to manipulate them or ingratiate them, I would have formed a religion.

There are new religions cropping up every day.




Thank God after all this jargons, you come to say it by your self that there is a creator and that is what my topic trying to educate you athiest. this is your saying"Let us assume that the first couple of humans where created, then it is safe to say that the creator must be for us all".If you know that the first couple of humans  was created, then you equally need to know for what purpose were they created. Do you think that the creator just creat them like that without anything for them to do? if this is your thinking, you need to have a rethink. If now Iam a designer of a computer system that you are using and writing this jargons, do you think I design it without any purpose? or do you think the white man that you are saying can come up with a new design of something without any manual,guiding how to operate his designed property?
 we need to uninstalled bad programs that was installed in you. you are just beating around the bush.
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- agabs at 30-11-2010 12:31 PM (10 years ago)
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MR ABDUL, your level of understanding is minuscule. Seriously it is. Discussing with you is pointless.

You also have some negative passion coursing through your veins. You therefore are not in the right state for effective logicalness. Seriously, discussing with you is pointless. It seems anger is what drives you in the first place.

speaking of programs, you are just acting according to your program. your program is your ignorance and your intelligence at the-same time. You therefore can not act beyond it. Is that to difficult for you to understand?

You can't install any bad programs in my head. I have reached the level were I can destroy programs in my head and install new ones consciously.
You say I am beating around the bush, why? Cause I dare to ask questions and look at life from an angle you have chosen not to look? Don't even try to. We do not want to you to die from anger or insanity. Sanity is Good.
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Either way, I know I have succeeded in teaching you that GOD/ALLAH is bigger than RELIGION. YOU CANNOT REMOVE THAT PROGRAM FROM YOUR MIND. IT IS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED. AND THAT PROGRAM IS THE TRUTH. YOU WILL FOREVER KNOW THAT IF GOD CREATED MAN, THEN HE IS BIGGER THAN THE RELIGIONS HIS HUMANS PRACTICE. YOU KNOW GOD/ALLAH IS BIGGER THAN THE BIBLE, KORAN, UPANISHAD, NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION, ETCETERA.

Mr Abdul, I think you should upgrade your level of comprehension. There has never been a time on this site that I have said GOD doesn't exist. I do not know the meaning of the word atheist. I checked it some days ago but I am muddling the meaning. If it means one who doesn't believe in God, so what? You can say it with so much anger, my reasoning is higher. It doesn't anger me. You can't act beyond your ignorance, hence your sins are forgiven. Am I Jesus now?


Ha h ahha hahhaah ha ha hah ahah . Ha ha hahahhahahah h aha hahahah.

MR Abdul let me give you a brief run down.

I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
WAS CONFIRMED BEFORE 13. THAT MEANS I ATTENDED CATECHISM.
MY PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS. MY POPS WAS A MUSLIM. HE IS NOW A CHRISTIAN. I CAN BECOME A MUSLIM TODAY IF I WANT. HE CAN'T STOP ME. IF I BECOME A MUSLIM AND MY KIDS WANT TO BE CHRISTIANS OR BUDDHISTS, I WON'T STOP THEM. MY MATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE CHRISTIANS. ONE WAS  A CATECHIST.


MY ANCESTORS BELIEVE IN ANCESTRAL SPIRITS. IT IS EVIDENT IN THE AFFAIRS OF MEN.

HAVE READ BOOKS AND I TRY TO PICTURE THINGS FROM DIVERSE POINTS OF VIEW.

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So u don't tell somebody like me that one Religion is right. And that is because you are not God. And you don't tell somebody like me that one religion is wrong. Cause you are not God. You do not put God at the level of Religion. God is way higher than any religion practiced by humans. His intelligence is extremely higher than any Religion. No Religion can therefore do justice to God's thoughts or wishes. The Religions humans practice are weak when it comes to Gods wishes. English is not holier than Arabic. Arabic is not holier than English. French is not holier. Holy itself is a word created by humans. All the words you hear and communicate with were created by humans.


The very fact that the Religions humans practice is written with words makes it restricted. The very fact that God has to use a human medium to communicate to humans makes religion weak.

MR ABDUL, THE CREATOR OF MAN IS BIGGER THAN RELIGION. SO THEREFORE, SEPARATE HIM FROM RELIGION.

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MR ABDUL, I DO NOT WISH TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS UP TO THERE. I ALSO THINK YOU FIND IT DIFFICULT TO ACCORD PEOPLE THEIR DUE REGARDS - IT MAY BE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE A BETTER PERSON.

YOU CAN'T ACT BEYOND YOUR IGNORANCE THOUGH.
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I think if humans will learn to respect the opinion of other humans, humanity will be saner.
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- agabs at 10-12-2010 02:31 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: harakiri on 10-12-2010 12:57 PM
@Poster

Actually, it's people like you who despite the fact that you are so passionate about religion and your god, you can NOT show one iota/atom/fragment/element of his/her/it's existence. All you base your "proofs" and theories on is the same bullshit you've been spoon fed with all through your earthly existence. All you (like many others) know is what you have been brainwashed with from childhood.

Retards! ! !

@Harakiri, don't you think everybody is brain washed?
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- cadanre at 14-12-2010 02:02 PM (10 years ago)
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Still examining and cross-checking comments.......

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- abduuul at 15-12-2010 01:53 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 30-11-2010 12:31 PM
MR ABDUL, your level of understanding is minuscule. Seriously it is. Discussing with you is pointless.

You also have some negative passion coursing through your veins. You therefore are not in the right state for effective logicalness. Seriously, discussing with you is pointless. It seems anger is what drives you in the first place.

speaking of programs, you are just acting according to your program. your program is your ignorance and your intelligence at the-same time. You therefore can not act beyond it. Is that to difficult for you to understand?

You can't install any bad programs in my head. I have reached the level were I can destroy programs in my head and install new ones consciously.
You say I am beating around the bush, why? Cause I dare to ask questions and look at life from an angle you have chosen not to look? Don't even try to. We do not want to you to die from anger or insanity. Sanity is Good.
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Either way, I know I have succeeded in teaching you that GOD/ALLAH is bigger than RELIGION. YOU CANNOT REMOVE THAT PROGRAM FROM YOUR MIND. IT IS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED. AND THAT PROGRAM IS THE TRUTH. YOU WILL FOREVER KNOW THAT IF GOD CREATED MAN, THEN HE IS BIGGER THAN THE RELIGIONS HIS HUMANS PRACTICE. YOU KNOW GOD/ALLAH IS BIGGER THAN THE BIBLE, KORAN, UPANISHAD, NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION, ETCETERA.

Mr Abdul, I think you should upgrade your level of comprehension. There has never been a time on this site that I have said GOD doesn't exist. I do not know the meaning of the word atheist. I checked it some days ago but I am muddling the meaning. If it means one who doesn't believe in God, so what? You can say it with so much anger, my reasoning is higher. It doesn't anger me. You can't act beyond your ignorance, hence your sins are forgiven. Am I Jesus now?


Ha h ahha hahhaah ha ha hah ahah . Ha ha hahahhahahah h aha hahahah.

MR Abdul let me give you a brief run down.

I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
WAS CONFIRMED BEFORE 13. THAT MEANS I ATTENDED CATECHISM.
MY PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS. MY POPS WAS A MUSLIM. HE IS NOW A CHRISTIAN. I CAN BECOME A MUSLIM TODAY IF I WANT. HE CAN'T STOP ME. IF I BECOME A MUSLIM AND MY KIDS WANT TO BE CHRISTIANS OR BUDDHISTS, I WON'T STOP THEM. MY MATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE CHRISTIANS. ONE WAS  A CATECHIST.


MY ANCESTORS BELIEVE IN ANCESTRAL SPIRITS. IT IS EVIDENT IN THE AFFAIRS OF MEN.

HAVE READ BOOKS AND I TRY TO PICTURE THINGS FROM DIVERSE POINTS OF VIEW.

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So u don't tell somebody like me that one Religion is right. And that is because you are not God. And you don't tell somebody like me that one religion is wrong. Cause you are not God. You do not put God at the level of Religion. God is way higher than any religion practiced by humans. His intelligence is extremely higher than any Religion. No Religion can therefore do justice to God's thoughts or wishes. The Religions humans practice are weak when it comes to Gods wishes. English is not holier than Arabic. Arabic is not holier than English. French is not holier. Holy itself is a word created by humans. All the words you hear and communicate with were created by humans.


The very fact that the Religions humans practice is written with words makes it restricted. The very fact that God has to use a human medium to communicate to humans makes religion weak.

MR ABDUL, THE CREATOR OF MAN IS BIGGER THAN RELIGION. SO THEREFORE, SEPARATE HIM FROM RELIGION.

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MR ABDUL, I DO NOT WISH TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS UP TO THERE. I ALSO THINK YOU FIND IT DIFFICULT TO ACCORD PEOPLE THEIR DUE REGARDS - IT MAY BE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE A BETTER PERSON.

YOU CAN'T ACT BEYOND YOUR IGNORANCE THOUGH.
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I think if humans will learn to respect the opinion of other humans, humanity will be saner.


First of all you seriously lack understanding..
 You want me to believe with this rubbish of yours. Since  you said your Pop was a Muslim before, later a christian, did you ask him why he became a christian? or did you ask your paternal grand parent why are they Muslims? This Shows that You are just following your prejudices and preconceive notions. And  to my surprise you don't know what atheist means. wow!! ask your brother to explain to you if you cannot find it. Your Brain shows you that you are succeeded in teaching me something out of this bad programs is a mere deception. This is really the bad programs that we must uninstalled from you so fer you are in this topic.
 I have met with people that are more nagetive here in England and i succeeded in changing their negative attitude to Positive let alone you that are in Nigeria.  You are very small to this concept.
 this is just the beginning..
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- cadanre at 15-12-2010 01:56 PM (10 years ago)
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Tafdijan!!!

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- agabs at 16-12-2010 12:35 PM (10 years ago)
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@Poster

You don't need a password to access my brain.

Speak, most wise human, your poor student is listening.

But, sir, please make meaning that appeals to my logic.

Why is it that you haven't made any meaning since? Why is it that you call my way of thinking a bad program yet you have not taking the pains to show me where the bad is?

If my program is bad, don't you think it is your duty - as  a human and as a muslim - to show your brother where he is erring? Isn't it your duty to uninstall my program?

Why is it that you run away from my analysis of "God not being Religion"? Why? Is it that what I say is the truth? Is it that you have no argument cause God is truely bigger than all the religions humans practice? Was I wrong to tell you that God is bigger than religion?

Is there a lie or something indecent or malicious in my analysis? If there is what is it?
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Even in your partiality towards Islam, for it is evident, can you accuse me of being impartial in my analysis of religion relative to God as per 'an equation'?
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- agabs at 16-12-2010 01:31 PM (10 years ago)
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I have met with people that are more nagetive here in England and i succeeded in changing their negative attitude to Positive let alone you that are in Nigeria.  You are very small to this concept.
 this is just the beginning..


@Poster, please re-read your foolish statement above. 

What concept are you talking about? Is it that God is bigger than religion? Is that the concept? If that is the concept I am smaller than, I agree.

The question is it true? Is God bigger than Islam? Is God bigger than Christianity?

@Poster, you are in self denial.

If you are not, come let us talk about how God was before he gave Mohammed the Holy Koran.
Let us talk about who Abraham worshipped.

Let us talk about the faith of the people in Black Africa who never heard of Jesus or Mohammed.

If the next time you post something and it doesn't make sense within logic, then I will assume you are a fool of a high degree and cease discussion with you.

For no matter how you try, you cannot separate Religion from Logic. All the explanations you offer for the Koran or the Bible being the write book is tied to logic.

You Mr. Poster claim to be a scientist. If you are, I wonder if you are an intelligent one. If you do have the benefit of Mathematics, Physics, Biology, then it is safe to say you should have a better understanding of human nature.

You will therefore see that Religion is explained or propagated by appealing to the logic of humans or in some cases forcefully.

What I have done is carry out an impartial logical analysis of Religion relative to God. What angers you? Bad thinking? Do you think everybody is the same as you? do you think God sends every body to a Muslim home?


YOU HUMANS SHOULD STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHAT AND HOW GOD THINKS. ACCEPT YOUR HUMANITY. THAT IS THE FIRST STEP TO GOD.
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- abduuul at 16-12-2010 01:36 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 16-12-2010 12:35 PM
@Poster

You don't need a password to access my brain.

Speak, most wise human, your poor student is listening.

But, sir, please make meaning that appeals to my logic.

Why is it that you haven't made any meaning since? Why is it that you call my way of thinking a bad program yet you have not taking the pains to show me where the bad is?

If my program is bad, don't you think it is your duty - as  a human and as a muslim - to show your brother where he is erring? Isn't it your duty to uninstall my program?

Why is it that you run away from my analysis of "God not being Religion"? Why? Is it that what I say is the truth? Is it that you have no argument cause God is truely bigger than all the religions humans practice? Was I wrong to tell you that God is bigger than religion?

Is there a lie or something indecent or malicious in my analysis? If there is what is it?
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Even in your partiality towards Islam, for it is evident, can you accuse me of being impartial in my analysis of religion relative to God as per 'an equation'?

A point of correction, you said "Why is it that you run away from my analysis of "God not being Religion"?". remember am the author of this topic so the issue of running away doesn't arise.

You ask me a series of questions here, You see the major problem is from your comparison, You can not compare God with anything. Religion was designed by God and ordered us to follow it.  You can't design something and at the same time someone compere it with you. God cannot be compered with human let alone non human.
God is above that comparison and is all wise.
You also not answer my Questions from the previous comments..
 
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- abduuul at 16-12-2010 01:45 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 16-12-2010 01:31 PM
I have met with people that are more nagetive here in England and i succeeded in changing their negative attitude to Positive let alone you that are in Nigeria.  You are very small to this concept.
 this is just the beginning..


@Poster, please re-read your foolish statement above. 

What concept are you talking about? Is it that God is bigger than religion? Is that the concept? If that is the concept I am smaller than, I agree.

The question is it true? Is God bigger than Islam? Is God bigger than Christianity?

@Poster, you are in self denial.

If you are not, come let us talk about how God was before he gave Mohammed the Holy Koran.
Let us talk about who Abraham worshipped.

Let us talk about the faith of the people in Black Africa who never heard of Jesus or Mohammed.

If the next time you post something and it doesn't make sense within logic, then I will assume you are a fool of a high degree and cease discussion with you.

For no matter how you try, you cannot separate Religion from Logic. All the explanations you offer for the Koran or the Bible being the write book is tied to logic.

You Mr. Poster claim to be a scientist. If you are, I wonder if you are an intelligent one. If you do have the benefit of Mathematics, Physics, Biology, then it is safe to say you should have a better understanding of human nature.

You will therefore see that Religion is explained or propagated by appealing to the logic of humans or in some cases forcefully.

What I have done is carry out an impartial logical analysis of Religion relative to God. What angers you? Bad thinking? Do you think everybody is the same as you? do you think God sends every body to a Muslim home?


YOU HUMANS SHOULD STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHAT AND HOW GOD THINKS. ACCEPT YOUR HUMANITY. THAT IS THE FIRST STEP TO GOD.
you are cynical in nature....
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- agabs at 16-12-2010 01:49 PM (10 years ago)
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The trivial questions you have asked are listed below according to my ignorance.

1. Since  you said your Pop was a Muslim before, later a christian, did you ask him why he became a christian? or did you ask your paternal grand parent why are they Muslims?

2. If you know that the first couple of humans  was created, then you equally need to know for what purpose were they created. Do you think that the creator just creat them like that without anything for them to do?

3. If now Iam a designer of a computer system that you are using and writing this jargons, do you think I design it without any purpose?

4. or do you think the white man that you are saying can come up with a new design of something without any manual,guiding how to operate his designed property?

Sir, if there is any omitted question that is worthy of attention please re-echo it.

I will answer all this questions according to my ignorance subsequently. I just have to clear my desk of some human contraptions called machines.

I hope in the next 2-3 hours I would have found the time to communicate my ignorance of your questions to you. Sir, please stay wired into this discuss. It seems you tone has changed and into a degree that is more effective for purer communication.

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- agabs at 16-12-2010 01:52 PM (10 years ago)
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I could be described as 'cynical' cause I picture humanity from a peculiar angle. I picture humanity from a point where Humanity's creator does not make visible to most humans.

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- abduuul at 16-12-2010 02:07 PM (10 years ago)
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The time u find yourself in grave, you will know if logic and religion are separable or not.
Yes am a Scientist, can you proof me wrong from my previous analysis of god existence?  you act by your ignorance.
  So what if you seize to comment. All of your comments are non educating ones so i will not loose anything from it.
You hate to here the truth and we will always mention it, you like it or not.
 You appear by your saying..
mind your language "Foolish"  
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- agabs at 16-12-2010 02:40 PM (10 years ago)
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The time u find yourself in grave, you will know if logic and religion are separable or not.

Ha hahah h ah ah ha h haha.

As for minding my language "Foolish", I spoke according to my ignorance of your insinuations - be they mild or insulting to people in Nigeria - that people living in Nigeria should be easier to convince than people in England. Wow! That assumption or postulation is foolish according to my understanding.

Have never been out of Nigeria. However, my senses are not less than that of people in England. So, you say wrong to underestimate me cause I live in Nigeria.

Read your language and underline the phrase "how much more". H ah ah hahahah ha. Guttural laughter spills forth from depths. Ha haha hahahhaha.

As for the grave, I am not scared of that place, for I do not fight or lie to my creator. I am me. I was known. I am what my creator has made me to be. My assumptions of an ideal state of me is not hidden from my creator. My accordance of my fact that I am just but a man is also obvious to my creator. That is how it is. I hope.

As for religion and her preaching of fear as a motivator, and also her preaching of reward as a motivator, my ignorance laughs in mockery at that. That is flimsy to me. Heaven and hell are poor motivators to me. My future is already known by my creator. And if he doesn't know my future fine. [[A Muslim friend of mine tells me of some woman that said God should punish if her prayers were cause of reward--If I remember correctly]]

If my creator wishes to treat me like scrap sent to some incinerator or furnace, then so be it.

You Mr. Abdul with all your study of the Koran and the Hadiths, the Pope with all his study of the Bible and his Catholic literature are not my God. You therefore do not possess concrete knowledge of my future.

You therefore have only one appropriate recourse, and that is to pray for my Kind. Other than that, you pray God teaches you a way to convey your philosophy to my kind in a way that it is appropriate to your Interpretations and will produce you believed human properness.

As for those questions you have asked, of which I am contemplating their relevance - fact is, I am contemplating the relevance of discussing with you - I will live them unanswered for now. Not cause they are hard - I wrote computer programs religiously at a time in my life - or cause they are even relevant. I doubt answering those questions according to my ignorance will not make any point. For, the vantage I see things from is alien and may not even be comprehensible by your kind.


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- abduuul at 17-12-2010 11:25 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 16-12-2010 02:40 PM
The time u find yourself in grave, you will know if logic and religion are separable or not.

Ha hahah h ah ah ha h haha.

As for minding my language "Foolish", I spoke according to my ignorance of your insinuations - be they mild or insulting to people in Nigeria - that people living in Nigeria should be easier to convince than people in England. Wow! That assumption or postulation is foolish according to my understanding.

Have never been out of Nigeria. However, my senses are not less than that of people in England. So, you say wrong to underestimate me cause I live in Nigeria.

Read your language and underline the phrase "how much more". H ah ah hahahah ha. Guttural laughter spills forth from depths. Ha haha hahahhaha.

As for the grave, I am not scared of that place, for I do not fight or lie to my creator. I am me. I was known. I am what my creator has made me to be. My assumptions of an ideal state of me is not hidden from my creator. My accordance of my fact that I am just but a man is also obvious to my creator. That is how it is. I hope.

As for religion and her preaching of fear as a motivator, and also her preaching of reward as a motivator, my ignorance laughs in mockery at that. That is flimsy to me. Heaven and hell are poor motivators to me. My future is already known by my creator. And if he doesn't know my future fine. [[A Muslim friend of mine tells me of some woman that said God should punish if her prayers were cause of reward--If I remember correctly]]

If my creator wishes to treat me like scrap sent to some incinerator or furnace, then so be it.

You Mr. Abdul with all your study of the Koran and the Hadiths, the Pope with all his study of the Bible and his Catholic literature are not my God. You therefore do not possess concrete knowledge of my future.

You therefore have only one appropriate recourse, and that is to pray for my Kind. Other than that, you pray God teaches you a way to convey your philosophy to my kind in a way that it is appropriate to your Interpretations and will produce you believed human properness.

As for those questions you have asked, of which I am contemplating their relevance - fact is, I am contemplating the relevance of discussing with you - I will live them unanswered for now. Not cause they are hard - I wrote computer programs religiously at a time in my life - or cause they are even relevant. I doubt answering those questions according to my ignorance will not make any point. For, the vantage I see things from is alien and may not even be comprehensible by your kind.




As you said "As for those questions you have asked, of which I am contemplating their relevance", I concluded that you are a man with no direction, because you will mention something and contemplate on it. Are you not the one that says your PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS? or am i the one that said your POPS WAS A MUSLIM before they turns back to Christianity? in short here is your saying "I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
WAS CONFIRMED BEFORE 13. THAT MEANS I ATTENDED CATECHISM.
MY PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS. MY POPS WAS A MUSLIM. HE IS NOW A CHRISTIAN. I CAN BECOME A MUSLIM TODAY IF I WANT. HE CAN'T STOP ME. IF I BECOME A MUSLIM AND MY KIDS WANT TO BE CHRISTIANS OR BUDDHISTS, I WON'T STOP THEM. MY MATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE CHRISTIANS. ONE WAS  A CATECHIST."
 Are you sleeping when you mention the above statements?
 If now you agree that the above is your saying, why are you contemplating on it?.
This shows to the world that you are not a man of your words. This shows that you will never understand, for a simple reason that you talk without thinking of implicating your previous words. hahaha!!! am sorry I don't know that you are among such people i would have not west my time on you..

You accused me of underestimating my country Nigeria in your comment, you got me wrong. Nigeria is my country too and for your own information am one of the patriotic people of Nigeria.  What I mean by my statement was; is easier to defeat you than someone in England. So don't miss quote me and judge on it.  I always think before I talk.. I suggest that you adopt the same.
 
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 11:31 AM (10 years ago)
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Religion was designed by God and ordered us to follow it.  You can't design something and at the same time someone compere it with you.

@Abdul, you wrote the above. If you knew that then why will you right "HE WHO SAYS THERE IS NO RELIGION/GOD IS SENSELESS AND NEED MEDICAL CHECK UP."? Why should you write that when you know God is not the-same as religion.

In fact that statement says that you are not an intelligent human being.

Do you know how long the world has been existing?

Do you know how many religions God has created? Do you know? Do you truly know? Or do you think you know?

Who created Budhism?
Who created Christianity?
Who created Islam?

Do you know who created this ways of life?

Did God know that this religions will be before they existed? If he knew, why did he permit their creation?

Does God have the right to create millions of religions? Can you stop him from creating a millions of  religions? Does God have the right to lie to Muslims or Christians? Do you know if he is currently manipulating them?

If your answers to these questions are not mostly I do not know, then I think you may be deceiving to yourself.


Even in Islam, it is believed that only God decides where a man is born and at what time he is born. That alone should tell you that if some people are religion-less, then it was God's doing.

Did you or Mohammed or Jesus or the Pope decide when any human being was born? No? So it therefore goes to say that you, Prophet Mohammed, Jesus, or the pope do not have the final say about any human for you are not God.

Everything that happens to a man is dependent on time and chance.

God determines time and chance.

You Mr Abdul are not even more intelligent than religion-less people. All your knowledge of the Holy-koran was given to you by God cause he chose too. It isn't even because you merit it. He chose where and when you were born. You are just a product of his choice.

Like-wise some people in china who are not Muslims or Christians were known before they were created. That your statement "HE WHO SAYS THERE IS NO RELIGION/GOD IS SENSELESS AND NEED MEDICAL CHECK UP." is senseless and immature. You do not even know why God chose to permit their religion-lessness.








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- agabs at 17-12-2010 11:39 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 17-12-2010 11:25 AM
Quote from: agabs on 16-12-2010 02:40 PM
The time u find yourself in grave, you will know if logic and religion are separable or not.

Ha hahah h ah ah ha h haha.

As for minding my language "Foolish", I spoke according to my ignorance of your insinuations - be they mild or insulting to people in Nigeria - that people living in Nigeria should be easier to convince than people in England. Wow! That assumption or postulation is foolish according to my understanding.

Have never been out of Nigeria. However, my senses are not less than that of people in England. So, you say wrong to underestimate me cause I live in Nigeria.

Read your language and underline the phrase "how much more". H ah ah hahahah ha. Guttural laughter spills forth from depths. Ha haha hahahhaha.

As for the grave, I am not scared of that place, for I do not fight or lie to my creator. I am me. I was known. I am what my creator has made me to be. My assumptions of an ideal state of me is not hidden from my creator. My accordance of my fact that I am just but a man is also obvious to my creator. That is how it is. I hope.

As for religion and her preaching of fear as a motivator, and also her preaching of reward as a motivator, my ignorance laughs in mockery at that. That is flimsy to me. Heaven and hell are poor motivators to me. My future is already known by my creator. And if he doesn't know my future fine. [[A Muslim friend of mine tells me of some woman that said God should punish if her prayers were cause of reward--If I remember correctly]]

If my creator wishes to treat me like scrap sent to some incinerator or furnace, then so be it.

You Mr. Abdul with all your study of the Koran and the Hadiths, the Pope with all his study of the Bible and his Catholic literature are not my God. You therefore do not possess concrete knowledge of my future.

You therefore have only one appropriate recourse, and that is to pray for my Kind. Other than that, you pray God teaches you a way to convey your philosophy to my kind in a way that it is appropriate to your Interpretations and will produce you believed human properness.

As for those questions you have asked, of which I am contemplating their relevance - fact is, I am contemplating the relevance of discussing with you - I will live them unanswered for now. Not cause they are hard - I wrote computer programs religiously at a time in my life - or cause they are even relevant. I doubt answering those questions according to my ignorance will not make any point. For, the vantage I see things from is alien and may not even be comprehensible by your kind.




As you said "As for those questions you have asked, of which I am contemplating their relevance", I concluded that you are a man with no direction, because you will mention something and contemplate on it. Are you not the one that says your PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS? or am i the one that said your POPS WAS A MUSLIM before they turns back to Christianity? in short here is your saying "I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
WAS CONFIRMED BEFORE 13. THAT MEANS I ATTENDED CATECHISM.
MY PATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE MUSLIMS. MY POPS WAS A MUSLIM. HE IS NOW A CHRISTIAN. I CAN BECOME A MUSLIM TODAY IF I WANT. HE CAN'T STOP ME. IF I BECOME A MUSLIM AND MY KIDS WANT TO BE CHRISTIANS OR BUDDHISTS, I WON'T STOP THEM. MY MATERNAL GRAND PARENTS ARE CHRISTIANS. ONE WAS  A CATECHIST."
 Are you sleeping when you mention the above statements?
 If now you agree that the above is your saying, why are you contemplating on it?.
This shows to the world that you are not a man of your words. This shows that you will never understand, for a simple reason that you talk without thinking of implicating your previous words. hahaha!!! am sorry I don't know that you are among such people i would have not west my time on you..

You accused me of underestimating my country Nigeria in your comment, you got me wrong. Nigeria is my country too and for your own information am one of the patriotic people of Nigeria.  What I mean by my statement was; is easier to defeat you than someone in England. So don't miss quote me and judge on it.  I always think before I talk.. I suggest that you adopt the same.
 

When did this become a fight?
See your statement below?

It is easier to defeat you than someone in England.
I don't think like people in England. They are not from a multi-cultural, multi-religious background like me. You have that wrong. If anything, I would say you do not even understand Nigeria. Even after telling you a little about myself you still cannot try to understand me. I think it is your habit to never try to understand people. I think it is pointless discussing with you. I am beginning to form an opinion that your powers of comprehension are weak.

More so that you are not the type that can have a logical discussion with somebody, especially when it is about religion. You are the type that sees every sentence made by somebody in a discussion such as this as an affront on Islam or Mohammed.

Shay  you want to hear. You go hear today. So called scientist.

Posted: at 17-12-2010 11:39 AM (10 years ago) | Upcoming
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 11:48 AM (10 years ago)
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1. Since  you said your Pop was a Muslim before, later a christian, did you ask him why he became a christian? or did you ask your paternal grand parent why are they Muslims?

I didn't ask. And when I made that statement I wasn't attacking Islam. I made that statement so you could know me better. And have a logical, intelligent, purposeful discussion with me. As for my my grand parents. My grand father is dead. I don't think it is needful to tell you that as a young man in his days he
dropped out of school cause what was taught in the school he was attending was Arabic.

My father told me once that he still knew the difference between him and those that remained in school. My father felt and my grand father probably felt that those that remained in those Arabic teaching schools were better.

My grand father is dead. I never got to interact with him much. Cause he was in my village and I was in my time. He invited me to come and see him before his death but I declined. We had our differences. I regret not going to see him. Are you happy now?

What else do you want to know about him?

I will go and eat and come back for you.

You talk about computers. Can you give me a flow chart to calculate the sum of two numbers right now? Scientist that you are, you should be able to do dat.
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