Things you should know about Religion and must have one (Page 3)

Date: 28-09-2010 12:49 pm (11 years ago) | Author: Abdulrahman Abdulnasir
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 11:54 AM (10 years ago)
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Mr. Abdul, not everybody you see in this religious forums is here to attack Islam or Christianity. You questions relating humans to computers are childish to me cause computers are what pay my house rent, feed me, cloth me.

For now, just go to google and type "self mutating algorithm." At least get a decent meaning of what it is. While you are at it, check the meaning of the word database.

Also type artificial intelligence or machine learning. And please google "Self Awareness." as is relative to Artificial Intelligence. Do you even watch science fiction movies? Have you seen the terminator?

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- agabs at 17-12-2010 12:02 PM (10 years ago)
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Who told you that man needs a manual? If you have kids that see Cartoon Network, they should tell you the difference between a 'self aware' machine and a 'dumb machine'.

How dare you say man needs a manual? How dare you put man in the cadre of a printer or your bloody personal computer or your VCR? Don't you know the meaning of self awareness?

Do you even know the meaning of the word manual?

Man is conditioned. His manual is inbuilt.

When you are hungry, your body knows.
When you are hot, your body knows.
When you lack oxygen your body knows.

You are a self aware bio-machine; the most intelligent species in our world.

Saying humans need manual is not a good argument. Even when I spare you your foolery, you come and say I can't answer for the world. Bring the world to here.


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- agabs at 17-12-2010 12:13 PM (10 years ago)
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2. If you know that the first couple of humans  was created, then you equally need to know for what purpose were they created. Do you think that the creator just creat them like that without anything for them to do

Your creator knows your purpose. A thing must not necessarily know the purpose it was created for to achieve it's purpose. So it can be argued that man doesn't need to know his purpose.

A printer doesn't know it's purpose. It prints. Let us compare humans to printers as dumb as that is.

@Scientist go and see the matrix. It was the opinion of the movie that man had been reduced to a dry cell without knowing it. It was the opinion of the movie that the reality of humans wasn't the real reality.

A human can also create any purpose he wishes for himself.

When you choose to be a teacher, a footballer, a soldier, a crusader, a jihadist, a nun, a whatever, you have created a purpose.
Humans create their purpose.

When humans come from the assembly line, they come into our world with senses to accept data inputs. Time and chance creates a humans purpose. Who determines time and chance? God does. So therefore, your purpose which is to defend Islam - even when it is not being attacked - was given to you when and where you were born. God gave you a purpose then. He even knows if you will change your so called purpose.
 
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 12:18 PM (10 years ago)
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People repent. People become wicked. Things change. That is the nature of our world. Purposes come and go. According to the data in your head, humans decide whether to keep purposes or let go of purposes. Every humans does it, consciously or subconsciously.

God knows mans ultimate purpose.

Religion says Man was created to worship, serve God. I don't know if they are right or wrong. I have chosen not to make an assumption.

I however believe that every living thing is already in worship or in service of it's creator; be it consciously or not. I believe every existence is already in worship or service of God.
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 12:27 PM (10 years ago)
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I need to eat. My operating system is receiving input from my hardware. My Operating System has made a purpose - food. I will come back. I hope when I come back you will come here and tell me sensible.

Continuation of this discussion pointless. I have made my point.

And that is God is not at the level of Religion humans practice. So when next when you type "Religion" don't put a slash and type "God". Do not use Religion and God interchangeably. They are two different things. That is what I tried to correct in the first place. Before your futile attempt to turn this discussion into an attack on Islam.

I criticize religion from a logical standpoint, and I do not do it to insult or convert or convince any body. I say it according to my understanding and I do not hide the fact that there are a lot of things I don't know. I also wish to learn. If you cannot respect that, then, please do not engage me in any further discussion.

And yes, I believe I was created. I believe in my creator.
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 02:00 PM (10 years ago)
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3. If now Iam a designer of a computer system that you are using and writing this jargons, do you think I design it without any purpose?

If you were the designer of the computer system, that u are using to write jargons, you know the purpose you created the computer for. If the computer
doesn't live up to the purpose your created it for, then you are a bad scientist.

Shay you want to compare humans to computer, come here make I give you sense.

If you say that God created man for a purpose and man is not living up to the purpose, then you are saying God is not perfect. I believe the God I believe in is perfect. Unlike you who thinks that the first humans that were created where not fulfilling their purpose or that people who are not muslims are not fulfilling their purpose.

I believe man is exactly what God created him to be. I believe God didn't make a single mistake. I believe God had his specifications right. And he met his intended specifications. So don't tell me that there is somebody in this world that his not fulfilling his purpose already.

To say that God created man for a purpose and he is not meeting that purpose is to say that God made a mistake. Does Allah make mistakes?
Answer me! Earthling that you are. Come and answer. Comparer of humans to computers that you are.

Did Allah make a  mistake when he was creating humans? If he didn't make a mistake how then can you say his creations is not fulfilling the purpose he created them for?

So called scientist, how many times have I told you not to assume that you know how or what God is thinking?

Within logic, if you say God is perfect then you can't tell me that Man is not exactly what he created him to be. If he created man weak then he created man weak. If man is not fulfilling the purpose he created man for then he is not perfect.

Is your God perfect or not? If your God is perfect then man is fulfilling the purpose he created man for. If man is sinful it is because God/Allah created him so. If you say God created man perfect but the devil came and made man sinful, then you are saying God can not protect what he has created. Then you are saying that God did not know when the devil came to deceive man. Or you are saying that God knew that devil will deceive man but he permitted the devil.

If you say he wanted to see if man could resist the devil,  then you are saying God/Allah is not perfect because humanity is now sinful.

Man as sinful or good or bad as he is, is exactly what God created him to be. If man is sinful it is because God/Allah wants it so. If he doesn't want it, he will change. If God wants to change man but he can't you are saying he is not perfect.

Is your God/Allah perfect? Did he make a mistake when he created you?
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- agabs at 17-12-2010 02:20 PM (10 years ago)
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4. or do you think the white man that you are saying can come up with a new design of something without any manual,guiding how to operate his designed property?

Do I still need to answer this pointless and un-wise question?

Man is not something to be operated by "Man" or "Animals". If man is something to be operated externally then the manual is with God.

If God wants man to operate themselves then he will make the manual inbuilt - in which case we wouldn't use the term 'manual' in Computer Engineering circles. We would say that man is configured or programmed. Man is not at the level of a car.

There is a certain basic configuration man is bestowed with. And that is an innate desire to preserve self. Man is configured to feel pain and pleasure. Man therefore acts between pain and pleasure basically.

Babies cry when they are hungry. They smile when they are happy. We humans create thing every day.

I DO GET YOUR INSINUATION.

You are insinuating that God wants everybody to live according to the Holy Koran. I don't know if that is what God wants. I however can say according to my ignorance that if that is what God wants, then he doesn't want it too badly.

If God wants everybody to be Muslims, he has the power to put the Holy-Koran into their head forcefully. If he wants everybody to be Muslims, in a blink he can turn everybody Muslim. Why hasn't he done that? I do not know.

I do not know what God is thinking or how he thinks. I can not claim to know. I can not assume I know what God is thinking. You have to convince me logically to accept your view or opinion of what God wants or wishes. I will not lie to myself to please you or anyone.

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I draw the line between what I know and what I don't know. I am also conscious of what I believe based on faith.
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- democrazy at 17-12-2010 11:43 PM (10 years ago)
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@Agabs, am only just enjoying your flow here.................I know we also have nuts we havent untied yet, but this topic means nothing to me. I know there is religion, and can see all the religious fcukas around, also I know there is GOD, cause even I say, the word without any intention, it has been inductrinated into us all. Also to cap all my "know all", I know they are not what they purpot to be, if anything, they are complete opposite.

Just my question for you is this.............You rightly said......."I draw the line between what I know and what I don't know. I am also conscious of what I believe based on faith."

Dont you think all your logic statements cancel out you last sentence above?

Also, if "GOD" came to earth to create Humans, does that mean he went to all the other planets to create the lifeforms their too. Or does this lifeforms not include, sea(water), mountains, vegitation, air, etc.
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- abduuul at 20-12-2010 02:29 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: agabs on 17-12-2010 02:20 PM
4. or do you think the white man that you are saying can come up with a new design of something without any manual,guiding how to operate his designed property?

Do I still need to answer this pointless and un-wise question?

Man is not something to be operated by "Man" or "Animals". If man is something to be operated externally then the manual is with God.

If God wants man to operate themselves then he will make the manual inbuilt - in which case we wouldn't use the term 'manual' in Computer Engineering circles. We would say that man is configured or programmed. Man is not at the level of a car.

There is a certain basic configuration man is bestowed with. And that is an innate desire to preserve self. Man is configured to feel pain and pleasure. Man therefore acts between pain and pleasure basically.

Babies cry when they are hungry. They smile when they are happy. We humans create thing every day.

I DO GET YOUR INSINUATION.

You are insinuating that God wants everybody to live according to the Holy Koran. I don't know if that is what God wants. I however can say according to my ignorance that if that is what God wants, then he doesn't want it too badly.

If God wants everybody to be Muslims, he has the power to put the Holy-Koran into their head forcefully. If he wants everybody to be Muslims, in a blink he can turn everybody Muslim. Why hasn't he done that? I do not know.

I do not know what God is thinking or how he thinks. I can not claim to know. I can not assume I know what God is thinking. You have to convince me logically to accept your view or opinion of what God wants or wishes. I will not lie to myself to please you or anyone.

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I draw the line between what I know and what I don't know. I am also conscious of what I believe based on faith.


All of this Statements shows that you act by your words. You are a man that not only betray his creator but also humanity as well.

You are speaking and you are contradicting your self. Is this what you call "Good comprehension skills"?.

You don't have to show me you know computer in this chat, because you don't know to whom you are talking to. Computer Engineer is an electrical engineer with additional knowledge in  computer science.  You show your ignorance here by linking manual and car industries only. If you don't know something, is better to ask than to go in blind argument. Engineer need manual to guide the users  on how to operate his design. next time  check your statement before you finally send it to public. Remember you Lack understanding. any way you act by your ignorance..... shame on you.. man.....
Pls You go and check people that has nagetive attitude like you and talk to them. I don't have your time.

 
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- agabs at 20-12-2010 03:47 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: abduuul on 20-12-2010 02:29 PM
Quote from: agabs on 17-12-2010 02:20 PM
4. or do you think the white man that you are saying can come up with a new design of something without any manual,guiding how to operate his designed property?

Do I still need to answer this pointless and un-wise question?

Man is not something to be operated by "Man" or "Animals". If man is something to be operated externally then the manual is with God.

If God wants man to operate themselves then he will make the manual inbuilt - in which case we wouldn't use the term 'manual' in Computer Engineering circles. We would say that man is configured or programmed. Man is not at the level of a car.

There is a certain basic configuration man is bestowed with. And that is an innate desire to preserve self. Man is configured to feel pain and pleasure. Man therefore acts between pain and pleasure basically.

Babies cry when they are hungry. They smile when they are happy. We humans create thing every day.

I DO GET YOUR INSINUATION.

You are insinuating that God wants everybody to live according to the Holy Koran. I don't know if that is what God wants. I however can say according to my ignorance that if that is what God wants, then he doesn't want it too badly.

If God wants everybody to be Muslims, he has the power to put the Holy-Koran into their head forcefully. If he wants everybody to be Muslims, in a blink he can turn everybody Muslim. Why hasn't he done that? I do not know.

I do not know what God is thinking or how he thinks. I can not claim to know. I can not assume I know what God is thinking. You have to convince me logically to accept your view or opinion of what God wants or wishes. I will not lie to myself to please you or anyone.

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I draw the line between what I know and what I don't know. I am also conscious of what I believe based on faith.


All of this Statements shows that you act by your words. You are a man that not only betray his creator but also humanity as well.

You are speaking and you are contradicting your self. Is this what you call "Good comprehension skills"?.

You don't have to show me you know computer in this chat, because you don't know to whom you are talking to. Computer Engineer is an electrical engineer with additional knowledge in  computer science.  You show your ignorance here by linking manual and car industries only. If you don't know something, is better to ask than to go in blind argument. Engineer need manual to guide the users  on how to operate his design. next time  check your statement before you finally send it to public. Remember you Lack understanding. any way you act by your ignorance..... shame on you.. man.....
Pls You go and check people that has nagetive attitude like you and talk to them. I don't have your time.

 
Ha ha h ah ha hah ah.

After everything I wrote, the only thing you could comment on was Manual and Car industries. Wow!

Ha ha hhah ahah ah.

You are a child when it comes to logic.

And a fool that fools should call a fool. Ha h ahhah ahah ah  hahah.

You are pathetic.

You my friend cannot read in between the lines. It will take you years to comprehend everything I have written. So I advice you stay within your comfort zone.

We all act according to our ignorance. But you think you are a God. you think you are the most wise human. You you know everything.

Ha hah h ah ha hah.

Theoretical scientist that has a poor ability at precision processing. I hiss. If your anger and stinking pride is what you call positivity. I want no part of it.

A wise man once said, "go from the presence of a man if you do not find words of wisdom."

Out of everything, you can't even present constructive analysis of my opinion.

Even amongst fools you are a fool. You say contradiction is evident, yet you do not ask why. H aha h haha h. May be you are scared your poor comprehension will be made evident.

MR God that is just a poor human, you are not worth interacting with.



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- agabs at 20-12-2010 05:42 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 17-12-2010 11:43 PM
@Agabs, am only just enjoying your flow here.................I know we also have nuts we havent untied yet, but this topic means nothing to me. I know there is religion, and can see all the religious fcukas around, also I know there is GOD, cause even I say, the word without any intention, it has been inductrinated into us all. Also to cap all my "know all", I know they are not what they purpot to be, if anything, they are complete opposite.

Just my question for you is this.............You rightly said......."I draw the line between what I know and what I don't know. I am also conscious of what I believe based on faith."

Dont you think all your logic statements cancel out you last sentence above?

Also, if "GOD" came to earth to create Humans, does that mean he went to all the other planets to create the lifeforms their too. Or does this lifeforms not include, sea(water), mountains, vegitation, air, etc.


@Demo, remember fight park when I proposed that man was blameless?  I doubt it matters though. Do remember that I said that man was blameless cause man is exactly what God created him to be.

All my logic statements do not cancel out my last statement above and yet they do. For, logic begets zero. Hence the world being defined as vanity by some sages.

@Demo, I kind of understand @Kpako when he is talking about this plane being unreal. That is cause, this world is nothing. That is why Solomon said everything is meaningless.

Okay let me try to break it down.

Religion < God according to logic. I don't want to type the next line. For I do not want to process that logic. According to some humans understanding it may be blasphemy.

You see, believing in God for me is something I choose to do. It is something that is not backed up by good reason - according to my logic it can be said to be stupid. I guess the reason why I believe in God is I haven't deprogrammed myself not to. I do not wish to. It feels comfortable. If I de-program myself  who knows what might happen? I don't wish to know. I do not. I want to believe in God. Something in my programming wishes it so. Blame my humanity and exonerate me at the same time. Ha haah ha hahahhaha. Call it fear if you will. If it is fear then I am a coward and perfectly so. I can stop believing I have a God right now. I choose to be blind. Ha ha hah ah h ahahah. I choose to believe that God exists. Every body is right.

@Demo, remember, everything is nothing.


@Demo, understand that within logic, religion can be said to be less than God. So if somebody has got faith in religion, somebody who has faith in God but not religion will see things that person cannot see. So, you see that my arguement with the poster was because he has faith in his religion. He is not wrong to have faith in his religion. He may have faith in his religion more than he has in God. Or rather, it probably never occured to him to separate religion from God. And that is not logical - within a certain pattern of logic - for God was before any Religion.

Cause he has faith in his religion, he doesn't really focus on the ramifications of the perfect Nature of God. Cause he stays within the confines or rather emphasised context of the definition of God by his religion, he may not criticize his own Religion relative to the proposed perfect Nature of God.. Notice you that people who have not analyzed the proposed perfect Nature of God by religion as is relative to their religion or the world will always force the discussion to stay within the boundaries of the scope of their religion.

Remember, I think I wrote somewhere that the very description of God as being perfect by religion weakens religion.

I don't know If I am making sense. If I am not, that is what the universe wishes.

[[[WORDS ARE FOOLISH. WORDS ARE FOOLISH. WORDS ARE FOOLISH. WORDS ARE FOOLISH.]]]

Remember @fight park, I commented that you and @Kpako's philosophies are just a notch higher than mine. I am not saying you guys are right. I don't know. I don't know if you guys are wrong. I can not logically comprehend your philosophies. You guys are mad and not.


@Democrazy, If I haven't satisfied your question, please, shed more light on the conflict.

Note that I am not judging the poster. I also do not propose that I am not prone to mistakes. You see, I understand that I am just a human that was created by my maker.

@Demo, there is a level of logical reasoning that you get to that everything starts breaking down. Everything including the word 'everything'.

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I shouldn't contribute in discussions relative to God or religion. Cause, there are some things that when I am writing, I know that a lot of people will not get it. I see hear their questions after I have given them the answer. Ha ha hahhahhah hhah. And their questions are logical within their cadre of logicality. So, they can't just ascend to a higher form of comprehension without effort on their part,

That is why sometimes I write things like, we are all mad. That is why I may write that Solomon was a mad man. Humans who do not understand may be like he just blasphemed. They won't understand that cause Solomon's wisdom was not normal, I called him mad.

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[[[WORDS ARE FOOLISH. WORDS ARE FOOLISH. WORDS ARE FOOLISH]]] And yet words are not.


Words are inadequate. Symbols are better. Words are not inadequate. Symbols are not better. For symbols are words and backwards.

@Democrazy, to your questions, "Also, if "GOD" came to earth to create Humans, does that mean he went to all the other planets to create the lifeforms their too. Or does this lifeforms not include, sea(water), mountains, vegitation, air, etc."



@Democrazy, I do not know how many planets are out there. My believe that planets exist is based on faith. That is according to my programming.

Within my programming, I believe everything is tied together. According to the Holy-books, man was created with air, sea, mountain, and etcetera. Within our programming we can say that man is made from atoms according to science.

Some crazy professor has said that everything is based on the hydrogen atom. Crazy.

How much do I know? @Democrazy, I am just but a child. I am a fool. And yet the word fool should not even be used to describe me for I am more. I hope so.









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- agabs at 20-12-2010 06:11 PM (10 years ago)
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@Kpako would enjoy what I have written above. I think sometimes I express some things he doesn't express. H aha hah haha hah  ha. It seems he has crossed the line to some form of spirituality. Me I prefer this plane of logic - though it means so useless.

That guy is crazy. Logically so sometimes. However, his feminine energy some times is beyond my comprehension. I don't wish to know. I guess Solomon said to the making of many books there is no end and much study wearies the body.

I am trying to be careful. Cause, after I arrived at this point of logical reasoning, my life became not too happy - happiness is good and bad. Moreover, I arrived at this point in the university without the benefit of my intellect. That is why I sometimes warn people to stay away from this kind of discussions. Madness and sanity are the same side of the same coin. Madness and sanity are the-same. The world's definition is what holds in the world's mind. When you get to this point of logical reasoning, the forces of the world bid for you. Not that the forces of the world are not bidding for everybody. When you get to this point, the forces behind existence may not be gentle with you.

Crazy! Let me stop writing. Make I just stop writing.

@Democrazy, pardon me If I don't come back here to continue this discuss. You could send me a fight invite @fight park. Moreover fight park is more appropriate for a discussion such as this.


Enough. Enough. Enough for here.

Yeah we have nuts we haven't untied. I still ask you guys to send me documents espousing your philosophies. that is if una never go completely spiritual. How dem wan take put jazz inside document? Ehn?

@Demo, you I think are still a little here. I think @Kpako may have ......................................
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- agabs at 20-12-2010 06:22 PM (10 years ago)
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I arrived at this point in the university with the benefit of my intellect - a raw procession of logic with certain emphasized variables - variables that were prioritized by time and chance.

If some humans would take the last line seriously, they could stumble into what is so called earthly power. And even if they did, the demonstration would be left to the enigma that is.
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- democrazy at 20-12-2010 06:35 PM (10 years ago)
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@Agabs Smiley you always have a way with words hehehehehehe!! You have answered my question..........see you said.

"You see, believing in God for me is something I choose to do. It is something that is not backed up by good reason - according to my logic it can be said to be stupid. I guess the reason why I believe in God is I haven't deprogrammed myself not to. I do not wish to. It feels comfortable. If I de-program myself  who knows what might happen? I don't wish to know. I do not. I want to believe in God. Something in my programming wishes it so. Blame my humanity and exonerate me at the same time. Ha haah ha hahahhaha. Call it fear if you will. If it is fear then I am a coward and perfectly so. I can stop believing I have a God right now. I choose to be blind. Ha ha hah ah h ahahah. I choose to believe that God exists. Every body is right."

This for me, shows you are as natural a human as myself. We both have been schooled and educated the european way. This is same for everyone on this board, else they will not be able to type words on this forum. Smiley

That believe is questionable since you have no logical reason to have it.

The questions are these,

Why the word GOD. Why the notion a CREATOR GOD.?

Words are heard, understandimng is born. understanding needs questioning and practise, so knowledge is deduced. The knowledge needs to ne theorized and repeated to create wisdom. wisdom of that knowledge enables the ability of the human to know how to act or react.

In nature, every action has a reaction............there is also an undeniable existence of negative and positive.

So...........from you logic, mine, and Pako's.......I deduce

Nothing=negative=Dark Energy
Something=positive=light Energy

You cannot get Nothing out of something. something is an already existing entity.
BUT, you can get something out of Nothing....................hope you follow me..............

You cannot get negative out of positive. It is not posible in energy terms. i.e if all is good nothing will go bad and no incentive to make things better, leading to no changes or new creativity. On the other hand You can get positive from Negative.

Same goes for Light and dark energy. You cannot get Dark enrgy from Light..............you can have a look at mendels principles(or Laws) of heredity and genetics, it will also show that you can not get Black human skin, from a white ancestory.

Honestly, you should test out meditation. its like having a problem and sleeping with it, you dream of its solutions. Meditation is a stepping stone to a whole world of wisdom.........................be back.....................dont want to write too long.

About planets...............what if i tell you the moon can be man made? Will you not need to look at man's creations to give it concideration of the posibility?

We need knowledge.......................Not sure about your discussion with the author of this topic though..........i dont think he reads books.
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- democrazy at 20-12-2010 06:48 PM (10 years ago)
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@Agabs...........i follow and discuss with Pako and yourself cos we touch the main important questions i believe should be asked of black people.

Pleasde lets see this questions and the answers will shed light on a lot of things that we believe without doubting or reasons..........

WHO AM I??
Yes, who are you?
don't tell me Black man - that's nothing.

Who were you before the man named you "BLACK MAN"?
Where where you?
What did you have?
what was yours?
What language did you speak?
what was your name?

And why don't you know what your name was?
where did it go?
where did you lose it?
Who took it?
what tongue did you speak?
How did the man take your tonque?

Where is your history?
How didi the man wipe out your History?
what did the man do to make you as dumb as you are right now? (not personal Smiley)

The main question really is WHO AM I?

This is why i like pako's topics
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- agabs at 21-12-2010 01:00 PM (10 years ago)
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Why the word GOD. Why the notion a CREATOR GOD.?
@Demo, you do know that an unsentimental answer to that question would be "I don't Know!", right?

Trying to rationalize that would be arriving  at nothing. [[[This is crazy. I am enforcing Kpakos philosophy here. And yet it is not intentional. Wow!]]]

In nature, every action has a reaction............there is also an undeniable existence of negative and positive.

every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Some scientist said that right? Words are not enough for this.

action + reaction = 0
negative + positive = 0
pain + pleasure = 0
wisdom + foolery = 0

 
@Democrazy, I just received a postulation from my super conscious. It is mad. This brink is crazy. Will share it some day.

So...........from you logic, mine, and Pako's.......I deduce

Nothing=negative=Dark Energy
Something=positive=light Energy

You cannot get Nothing out of something. something is an already existing entity.
BUT, you can get something out of Nothing....................hope you follow me..............

You cannot get negative out of positive. It is not posible in energy terms. i.e if all is good nothing will go bad and no incentive to make things better, leading to no changes or new creativity. On the other hand You can get positive from Negative.

Same goes for Light and dark energy. You cannot get Dark enrgy from Light..............you can have a look at mendels principles(or Laws) of heredity and genetics, it will also show that you can not get Black human skin, from a white ancestory.

Honestly, you should test out meditation. its like having a problem and sleeping with it, you dream of its solutions. Meditation is a stepping stone to a whole world of wisdom.........................be back.....................dont want to write too long.





@Demo, some of those sages do not believe in duality. I guess it can be argued that duality is man's creation.

I would like for you to take the numeral '0' into consideration. I would say that is balance. I would say when everything cancels out they produce that equilibrium which is zero.

So you may not get negative out of positive but you may get ne.....................................[[am processing,,,,,,,,,,,]]

Hmn! This brink is crazy. I d fear sef. Make I no come process logic inside my head come d waka with new born baby mentality for afternoon. This is crazy.

U say light comes from darkness.
U say positivity comes from negativity.

What if they exist independently? What if they are on a time line and zero is the point where they both seize to exist? But, can we say that ..............................I hated Abstract Algebra in school. They said I failed it. Fools. Ha h ah ahaha h ahha. Let us stay out of this mathematical zone. Cause I am not bounded by laws like I was in school. Hence I could process my way into the so called insanity as is accepted by humans. Logic says I should stay within a certain reality for the sake of the partial humans around me.


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- agabs at 21-12-2010 01:20 PM (10 years ago)
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Honestly, you should test out meditation. its like having a problem and sleeping with it, you dream of its solutions. Meditation is a stepping stone to a whole world of wisdom.........................be back.....................dont want to write too long.

About planets...............what if i tell you the moon can be man made? Will you not need to look at man's creations to give it concideration of the possibility?

We need knowledge.......................Not sure about your discussion with the author of this topic though..........i dont think he reads books.


Meditation? Hmn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any thing is possible in this world. To say something is not possible is to restrict God. Pardon my humanity and yet do not. I believe God exists. It feels good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "we need knowledge".

However, if everything is nothing, what will more learning do? More learning would probably be going around in circles. And at the end of the day man can be said to not really be an intelligent animal.

As for the poster, I wasn't suppose to comment on his topic in the first place. We see things from different angles.

@Demo, some sage wrote something in one of his books, "the wise man will avoid all extremes". And yet that dark wise mad man could have written that to prevent his students from attaining his level of understanding. Then, where is he right now? Is he not in the grave? Is he still here? So what is there to be envied in wisdom? What is there?

@Demo, same sage wrote, "God, created man simple, but, man has gone in search of many schemes."

Is meditation in the search of wisdom not going in search of schemes?

Same sage said, "What a heavy burden God has laid on men." Can you imagine his madness?
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- agabs at 21-12-2010 02:46 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 20-12-2010 06:48 PM
@Agabs...........i follow and discuss with Pako and yourself cos we touch the main important questions i believe should be asked of black people.

Pleasde lets see this questions and the answers will shed light on a lot of things that we believe without doubting or reasons..........

WHO AM I??
Yes, who are you?
don't tell me Black man - that's nothing.

Who were you before the man named you "BLACK MAN"?
Where where you?
What did you have?
what was yours?
What language did you speak?
what was your name?

And why don't you know what your name was?
where did it go?
where did you lose it?
Who took it?
what tongue did you speak?
How did the man take your tonque?


Where is your history?
How didi the man wipe out your History?
what did the man do to make you as dumb as you are right now? (not personal Smiley)

The main question really is WHO AM I?


This is why i like pako's topics


@Demo, some questions you have there. U do know that humans answer questions according to their ignorance, right?

Who am I? Kpako, is it who or what? It is had to define myself. And if I do consequently manage, I don't think I will be able to communicate with words. I don't have a pure definition of myself.

Don't go calling me a sheeples. Ha h ahha ha hahahh. He hehehe h eheh.

In fact it is had to start. For I realize all my words are nothing. What I feel about myself is still not me. What I am is what I am. I could say I am immutable. Wooooo000000ooooow!!!!!!!!!!!! I could say, I am "Nothing". "Nothing" is that state that is. Wow. Or may be more perfectly, I could say I am a part of that "Nothingness" .  Okay.

I am not drowning, so, I won't clutch at straws. H a ha h aahah hah.

As for those questions you where asking about blackness or rather, "me relative to the whiteman", I can say that the white man aint gat shit on me.

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I know my name.
My name is with me.
I haven't lost my name. My name is still with me.

The white man hasn't wiped out my history. he can't it is impossible for the world's history is intact. The future cannot exist without the past. The trails no matter how convoluted are still there. They foot prints on the sands of time cannot be erased with the foul breeze of the ignorance of men.[[Yeah! Agabs has got a way with words. I think I should write for a living. ha hahahhah]]

The white man hasn't made me dumb. He can't. God can. The white man can't.

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I kind of hate it when you and Kpako talk about the white-man like he is God. You guys give him too much credit. Ha ha h ahhahah ah.

As for "WHO AM I?" I think that is not an answer to be given. I think only I can know that. I and the higher enigma. you could know too if the enigma chooses to tell you. However, I don't think it can be communicated with words. And yet that is self contradictory for words too are energy. Yes, I kind of like you and Kpakos energy philosophy. Hoewver, I do not understand enough if it. Mind you that I still use logic to process it.


You and Kpako are two crazy science ...........[[[Almost cursed, but, not with hate though..]]


The trouble or rather estimation I have with/of you and Kpako is that, you guys accord the white-man too much credit.

Can you guys give me an Ideal state? An ideal picture of the black race is what I wish to behold.

Like you guys could tell me how you think the Black man should be.

[[[It is all crazy. Pain and Pleasure are brothers. Can they exist with out each other? I doubt.

Pain and Pleasure are the-same side of the-same coin.
Sadness and Happiness are the-same side of the-same coin.
Negative and Positive are the-same side of the-same coin.


What is darkness? Darkness as we know it may not be darkness. For darkness as we know it could be zero. And it could be continuous into hell; light being said to be heaven.

And therefore I could word swing and shed the following: "Hell and Heaven\light are two sides of the same coin.

If the two sides of the-same coin are of the two-sides of the-same coin what do we get? I guess we don't have a coin. We have nothing.

@Demo, it is a mad nothing world.  For you spiritual niggers, I don't know. I don't know. Seriously.

I don't know. this is madness. I need a walk. I think tobacco.

Tobacco is negative energy.
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- agabs at 21-12-2010 02:55 PM (10 years ago)
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What is darkness? Darkness as we know it may not be darkness. For darkness as we know it could be zero. And it could be continuous into hell; light being said to be heaven.

And therefore I could word swing and shed the following: "Hell and Heaven\light are two sides of the same coin.

If the two sides of the-same coin are of the two-sides of the-same coin what do we get? I guess we don't have a coin. We have nothing.


@Demo, I reread what I wrote. Guess what? I just performed magic. I just made magic. See the lines above. You know the dark lines I am talking about. God!

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Tell Kpako that I have browsed one of the books he referred me to. Tell him that I had already rationalized all that was in it on my own before he recommended it. I got to this point of logical abstractions a long time ago in my university days.

If I could remember my past lifes, I would tell him to stay away from the dark side. As I can't, I have no admonishment for him. he is strictly on his own.

As for me, I wish to ride this crest of logic for as long as possible, if only using my foolish attachment to the "Abstraction of God" then so be it; for am I not but just a man?"

God/Enigma is perfect and in control. Amen!
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- abduuul at 21-12-2010 03:28 PM (10 years ago)
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Common sense is not so common. We should not only use the brains we have, but all that we can borrow.
What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
A great many people think that polysyllables are a sign of intelligence.Humility does not mean thinking less of yourself than of other people, nor does it mean having a low opinion of your own gifts.  It means freedom from thinking about yourself at all.It wasn't until quite late in life that I discovered how easy it is to say "I don't know!".There are a billion people in China.  It's not easy to be an individual in a crowd of more than a billion people.  Think of it.  More than a BILLION people.  That means even if you're a one-in-a-million type of guy, there are still a thousand guys better than you.True merit, like a river, the deeper it is, the less noise it makes. To have a thing is little, if you're not allowed to show it, to know a thing, is nothing unless others know you know it.
Blushing is the color of virtue.Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.The man who thinks he can live without others is mistaken; the one who thinks others can't live without him is even more deluded. Modesty is the lowest of the virtues, and is a confession of the deficiency it indicates.  He who undervalues himself is justly overvalued by others. None are so empty as those who are full of themselves.We sometimes feel that we have been really understood, but it was always long ago, by someone now dead.  Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side which he never shows to anybody.There are at least two kinds of cowards.  One kind always lives with himself, afraid to face the world.  The other kind lives with the world, afraid to face himself.  Self-destruction is the effect of cowardice in the highest extreme. At this very moment, you may be saying to yourself that you have any number of admirable qualities.  You are a loyal friend, a caring person, someone who is smart, dependable, fun to be around.  That's wonderful, and I'm happy for you, but let me ask you this:  are you being any of those things to yourself? A wise man never loses anything if he have himself.
Almost every man wastes part of his life in attempts to display qualities which he does not possess, and to gain applause which he cannot keep. Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another. The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere. Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.  Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. If you really put a small value upon yourself, rest assured that the world will not raise your price. 
Self-respect cannot be hunted.  It cannot be purchased.  It is never for sale.  It cannot be fabricated out of public relations.  It comes to us when we are alone, in quiet moments, in quiet places, when e suddenly realize that, knowing the good, we have done it; knowing the beautiful, we have served it; knowing the truth we have spoken it.If I despised myself, it would be no compensation if everyone saluted me, and if I respect myself, it does not trouble me if others hold me lightly.No man who is occupied in doing a very difficult thing, and doing it very well, ever loses his self-respect. That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong.A sensible person is not one who claims infallibility and therefore is indifferent to others' ideas. Rather, a truly sensible person is one who corrects his or errors and makes use of others' ideas in.When an animal dies, it is forgotten and its burial place is lost. However, this is not the case with a human being. Are the people who do not preserve the memories and tombs of their ancestors aware?
Lastly,
All humans are dead except those who have knowledge; and all those who have knowledge are asleep, except those who do good deeds; and those who do good deeds are deceived, except those who are sincere; and those who are sincere are always in a state of worry."
Don't have time of you................ Sad Sad Embarrassed
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