Question? Is Mohammed really a prophet or a jihad? (Page 5)

Quote from: mubaji on 15-03-2012 04:46 AM

who are you to deserve My Best?!
you should ask for my least not BEST because i can't give MY BEST to someone like you.

I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of "ALLOW US TO PRACTISE our Religion as we want" from a devotee of a faith with the biggest glass jaw of all, and currently the most oppressive of the Monotheist religions. I had hoped that you might actually make a reasoned defence, but I was disappointed.

Posted: at 15-03-2012 05:40 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

"Allah's Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.’" (vol. 4, p. 55)

"Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me…" (vol. 4, p. 124)

"It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he has made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land…" (vol. 4, p. 161)

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." (vol. 9, p. 45)

"An infidel spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet and started talking and then went away. The Prophet said (to his companions), ‘Chase and kill him.’ So, I killed him. The Prophet then gave him the belongings of the killed spy." (vol. 4, pp. 181-182)

"Some people from the tribe of Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milk) camels of charity and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die." (vol. 8, pp. 519-520)

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." (vol. 4, pp. 158-159)

The above tradition, like many others, is also repeated in other collections of prophet Muhammad's sayings. In the second most authoritative hadith collection, The Sahih of Muslim, the chapter that discusses this particular saying is entitled, "Permissibility of killing women and children in the night raids, provided it is not deliberate." The author then goes on to write, "It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them" (vol. 3, pp. 946-947, Sahih Muslim, translated by Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, 4 vols.)

We will end this discussion with two more traditions from another collection, Sunan Abu Dawud. Under a chapter entitled, "Excellence of killing an infidel" we read the following saying. "Abu Harairah reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: An infidel and the one who killed him will never be brought together in Hell." The Muslim translator of this work adds the following footnote to this tradition, "This means that a person who kills an infidel while fighting in Allah's path (i.e. jihad) will have his sins remitted and forgiven, and will, therefore, go to Paradise. The infidel will inevitably go to Hell. Thus the man who killed an infidel will not be brought together in Hell with him" (vol. 2, p. 690 from Sunan Abu Dawud, translated by Ahmad Hasan, 3 vols., New Delhi: Kitab Bhavan, 1990).

Another chapter in this collection is entitled, "Punishment of a man who abuses the Prophet (may peace be upon him)." The author recounts the story of a Muslim man who killed his slave and concubine by whom he had two children. Since she "disparaged" the Prophet, the slave owner, "took the dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till [he] killed her." Upon hearing the reason for this murder, the prophet said, "Oh, be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood" (ibid. vol. 3, pp. 1214-1215). The next incident in the above chapter is reported by Ali. "A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (may peace be upon him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood" (p. 1215) Once again, the translator provides us with the following explanatory notes. "It is unanimously agreed that if a Muslim abuses or insults the Prophet (may peace be upon him) he should be killed ... even if a Jew or any non-Muslim abuses the Prophet (may peace be upon him) he will be killed ... The punishment for abusing or opposing the Prophet (may peace be upon him) was death" (p. 1215).

Violence in Islam, whether in the form of terrorism, or the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world, or capital punishment for an individual who turns away form Islam or death threats on Salman Rushdie for allegedly insulting prophet Muhammad, are not simply some isolated incidents or aberrations from the true and peaceful religion of Islam. Such violence in fact goes to the very roots of Islam as found in the Qur'an and the actions and teachings of the prophet of Islam himself. Osama bin Laden, quoted some of the very same Qur'anic and hadith passages that we have documented here in order to provide religious justification of his actions (see the transcript of his video tape in the New York Times, Fri, Dec. 14, 2001, B4).

We would like to conclude this section by referring to a program produced by Frontline and shown on PBS around the country, entitled "The Saudi Time Bomb." At one point in this program we were told about the state sponsored religious education in Saudi Arabia. According to Frontline, "approximately 35% of school studies is devoted to compulsory Saudi religious education." One of these textbooks published in 2000, was a collection of prophet Muhammad's sayings, which was used by middle school students in Saudi Arabia. One lesson is entitled, "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews." According to a tradition from prophet Muhammad, "The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and tress. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God! There is a Jew, behind me, come and kill him." Like a good textbook, the teachings of this saying are summarized in several prepositional statements such as:

    It's fate decided by Allah that the Muslims and Jews will fight till the end of the world.
    This Hadith predicts for the Muslims God's victory over the Jews.
    Jews and Christians are the enemies of believers. They will never approve of the Muslims, beware of them.

    (Source: www.pbs.org./wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/etc/textbooks.html)

Posted: at 15-03-2012 07:06 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

Islam is a religion of piss. They really piss me off. Just imagine d world witout islam

Posted: at 15-03-2012 11:36 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

@ chys,
so what next?
Muslims don't pretend, this is our religion which will last till Kingdom comes but It's teachings has to be understood before implementation. those killings here and there might be right or wrong but it doesn't mean Islam is wrong rather it is the Jihadist who should try to comprehend when, why and for what should he declare a Holy War.
this is my religion and i'm proud of being a Muslim.

Posted: at 16-03-2012 05:18 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Proofs? You gave nothing. Hey, Nostradamus did better, and his verses are bullcrap.

Also, The Creator of All Things is not Allah or Yahweh or any of the illusions dreamed up by humans.

Posted: at 16-03-2012 10:52 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Allah and Yahweh are simply human constructs to explain the Great Mystery. They have human drives and emotions; the Creator of All Things would not.

You reject evolution but it's probable you never studied it. Darwin and his successors identified how life evolved from first causes. That has nothing to do with the Divine.

Posted: at 17-03-2012 07:12 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@ Annana
pls tell her. i've told some of them number of times that only few websites are reliable-secondary-sources but it seems most are not academics so they don't understand. wikipedia, for instance, allows anyone to update it's contents; i just wonder how one would rely on such reference when it comes to giving source to sensitive religious issues.
mind you, this cammywhite is not a monotheist and i don't care to know where she belongs. so no amount of evidence can change her except if God wishes. more blessings to you.

Posted: at 18-03-2012 05:57 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

So I'm at fault for looking at Wikipedia, whereas you are content to quote ancient scrawls and the ravings of desert madmen. I know why has the better source. Here's a clue; it's the blonde Australian.

Posted: at 19-03-2012 08:43 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

by this its clear to understand n believe MOHAMMED IS FAKE

Posted: at 22-03-2012 12:10 AM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

Chys, let's be fair; the Arab cultures, before and after Islam, were cultured and civilised nations. Much as happened with China and elsewhere, they stood still while Europe, after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, bounded ahead in science.

To note just one thing; the Arab world developed the numeric system that makes this computer functional (imagine programming with Roman numerals).

Posted: at 22-03-2012 11:38 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac