Why are Pastors hammering on Prosperity than Salvation? (Page 9)

Date: 08-07-2008 4:14 pm (15 years ago) | Author: tony ndubuisi
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- omatu at 30-08-2009 02:52 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: Saliman on 11-11-2008 10:57 AM
Well its not bad preaching about properity,c we need to understand the scripture,the bible only talks about prosperity in the old testament but in new testament ,the prophet dont said any thing about properity up to an xtend the word prosperity is not been mention in new test..i believe in prosperity,let me tell us,everything walks together 4 good.prosperity is a route to salvatiön. Why ,cos people turns not to believe in God and wait for God appointed time,and rather choose to do blood money. The pastor want them to knw dat God can held.the bible says in Isaiah45v3 "And i will give thee the treasure of darkness,and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that i,the lord,which call thee by thy name,am the God of Isreal.Then my question is, is dat not prosperity.? U need to knw money is a route to all evil,let then convience them to christ b4 the devil took them away frm us.prosperity is not bad but lead to salvation.
Money is not the root of all evil.  The love of money is the root of all evil.  Big difference.
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- omatu at 30-08-2009 02:59 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: eyenakwaibom on  7-01-2009 06:17 AM
Please can anyone tell me is God white or Black?
God is Nigerian.
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- omatu at 30-08-2009 03:57 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: makatony on  8-07-2008 04:14 PM
It anonying and heart breaking that this days all u hear is prosperity,no pastor tells if you,you will go to hell,they shy away from the truth,the bible has been turned upside down in the sense that the is denied because this pastors are gainig from it.and this has worsen the morality in our country.

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You need to pay your tithing if you wish to become wealthy up to 100th fold as promised in the book of Malachi.

There is nothing wrong with your pastor preaching prosperity.  God is not against wealth and prosperity.  What the pastors are missing that are preaching prosperity is that they are not requiring the wealthy to give to the poor if they want to follow Christ.

Do you remember the story in the bible where a very wealthy young man came to Jesus Christ and wanted to follow Him?  The young man was very proud that he had followed all the commandments laid down by God and Jesus was very proud of him?  Do you remember that Jesus asked him to sell everything and give it away to the poor and then come and follow him?  Do you remember that the rich man was very sad and left because he had much wealth?

This is the story that prompted Jesus Christ to tell us that it was easier for a camel to enter the kingdom of God than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Why not suggest to the pastors this story about Christ and ask them that while they are preaching prosperity, ask each rich and prosperous individual in that church to be responsible for at least one member of the congregation that is poor and to look after that family and nurture them into prosperity.

I doubt if the wealthy in that congregation will stay because to whom much is given, much is required.  How many of them will take on even one family and as they continue to prosper ask them to take on a second family and so forth?  How about getting testimonies from the poor in that church how they are prospering from the wealthy members of that church?

Wealthy people in a church are given money so they can use it to serve God.  Jesus came for the poor and the broken hearted, etc.  If you are called for the prosperity ministry, you must fulfill prosperity ministry as Jesus did.

Suggestion:
Have a box in the church that have all the names of the poor people in the church and ask each wealthy  person to pick up a name from the box without knowing whom or what need, and have them work with that family and bring them into wealth and prosperity.  After that family is completed, the rich and wealthy persons should pick up another name and continue the assistance.  Those that have been helped that have become prosperous should in turn draw from the box and help another family into prosperity.

It is God's desire that we shall all prosper.

Let those that have ears hear what the Spirit is saying.  Try to bring prosperity into your church.  You will have many members and need bigger church if prosperity teaching is done well.

God's blessings to all of you in the Prosperity Ministry.  Do it right.


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- midasmanny at 30-08-2009 07:24 PM (14 years ago)
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@ Omatu Do you remember the story in the bible where a very wealthy young man came to Jesus Christ and wanted to follow Him?  The young man was very proud that he had followed all the commandments laid down by God and Jesus was very proud of him?  Do you remember that Jesus asked him to sell everything and give it away to the poor and then come and follow him?  Do you remember that the rich man was very sad and left because he had much wealth?

This is the story that prompted Jesus Christ to tell us that it was easier for a camel to enter the kingdom of God than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
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then, it will be very difficult for many pastors to enter into the Kingdom of God
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- omatu at 31-08-2009 01:38 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: midasmanny on 30-08-2009 07:24 PM
@ Omatu Do you remember the story in the bible where a very wealthy young man came to Jesus Christ and wanted to follow Him?  The young man was very proud that he had followed all the commandments laid down by God and Jesus was very proud of him?  Do you remember that Jesus asked him to sell everything and give it away to the poor and then come and follow him?  Do you remember that the rich man was very sad and left because he had much wealth?

This is the story that prompted Jesus Christ to tell us that it was easier for a camel to enter the kingdom of God than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
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then, it will be very difficult for many pastors to enter into the Kingdom of God

The pastors are the teacher in the church.  God is the one that will judge them.
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- ksurrina at 31-08-2009 04:41 AM (14 years ago)
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What is wrong in teaching Prosperity. The world is in a RECESSION and persons are giving up. In order for the congregation to have hope alive the pastors are using the scriptures to encourage their members that there were a recession before and God bring forth his children out of it and so they need to cling to this hope which is Prosperity. Nothing wrong with preaching about prosperity what is wrong is dwelling on the riches and forgetting God. As was pointed out in Revelations 3 vs 14-19.

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- ksurrina at 31-08-2009 04:48 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: nskhitey on 22-08-2008 08:24 AM
it is only Nigeria you see the so-called mushroom churches  everywhere while the poor amongest us suffer and even die of poverty, how many of the so-called churches have come out to criticise the Nigerian bad government not to even mention having basic life amenities like schools and hospitals for the average and poor Nigerians as of the good old days of the missionaries, most of our parents and our grand parents went to school and had medical attention free of charge, well churches these days have schools in which the poor cannot afford yet we preach Jesus Christ.
i choose not to join the bandwagon of blind Nigerians who want to be rich at all cost and look for prosperity.
note: seek ye the riches of Heaven which not rust or worm will infest on. and i guess that the riches of human salvation not the lies you hear from mushroom churches, have you seen a Nigerian pastor open a church in a hostile terrain or in the core local villages? NO they open churches in the rich oil cities and where they can source for money for themselves. pass this MSG to my fellow Nigerians.

lol Why Nigerians think that it is only in Nigeria Corruption is happening among Politicians and the Rich elite. You all need to read some more and you will realized that every country has Corruption. Jamaica has churches in every communities.lol My community have about 10 churches alone. Jamaica is as corrupt as Nigeria. If you are depending on Politicians and Pastors to help you will not happen.

The bible has ways to let one be rich all we need to do is patience our FAITH and have PATIENCE. Remember God doesn't want his children to wallow in poverty. Jesus live a simple life but he wasn't a beggar was he? We need to read and understand the bible ourselves and stop depending on the Pastors all the time.

from me nsk (challenge me plz)

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- jdybad at 31-08-2009 03:45 PM (14 years ago)
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 Grin haaaa..... its no news. the truth hs been trampled on and the devil has seen the heart of nigerians especially women and has played a good opera( which is still on till date) on the minds of this victims. truly, nigerians want to hear what will please thier soul and not what will heal thier soul. every idea introduced into Nigeria is a market and it dwells for as long as it is saleable.

check the bus stops or parks? it is now a haven for preaching and sowing seeds into the life of those who cant feed themselves. they cover up in the name of praying for safe journey and at the end, give a thite offfering. it is now a competition for there are more pastors( to claim) in thi sparks. so i personally cant blame them cause the Govt has made all these activities possible.
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- mubaji at 31-08-2009 04:27 PM (14 years ago)
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may be they are not the chosen ones as they claim,
you know church business is the fastest growing business in Nigeria these days so everyone just jump in when he/she wishes.

 Lips Sealed  Lips Sealed  Lips Sealed
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- gcianointed at 31-08-2009 05:11 PM (14 years ago)
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Yes I like it, because I want to be prosperous. It is the greatest desire that God has for me. 3rd John 1:2. Besides, if pastors are preaching salvation people will still complain that the message is hard, I am not trying to blow my trumpet, my pastor preaches salvation, prosperity and what have you... My advice is that we should mind the way we air our view when it comes to spiritual matters... For the fact that some people are faking it does not mean that everybody is also faking it. God bless you all....
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- umartafeeda at 31-08-2009 06:38 PM (14 years ago)
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i only wish you guys take time study the bible for your self there you will discover with amazing clarity the will of God for his people is proper them. & mind you you can't just start preaching properity without salvation cos God never promise to bless very one but this children those that are born again and perchance you are not you can kiss da prosperity message goodbye cos it wont work for you! shine your eyes look around you the new crop of millionaire are the bornagain Christians  have ever wonder why they are prospering and you are not check it its in the bible. so do your self a favour belive the message and prosper to your heart content
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- oceanlinkus at 1-09-2009 06:30 AM (14 years ago)
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salvation is the in-thing, but prosperity is also necessary... Both works in pari-pasu.

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- ktalent at 1-09-2009 09:34 AM (14 years ago)
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woooooow.......12 pages!!!! Cheesy

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- derbi at 1-09-2009 08:40 PM (14 years ago)
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if they dint preach prosperity what will they preach, !!porverty is that the good news?,it is not go into the world and preach the good news, that of salvation ist not confensing jesus as ur lord and personal saveour and u are save, then after salvation should christian remain poor as they were b4 knowing christ as far the believers no complain as them dey progress, no yawaa pastor carry on preach sow more and reap more  Smiley
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- derbi at 1-09-2009 08:53 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: midasmanny on 30-08-2009 07:24 PM
@ Omatu Do you remember the story in the bible where a very wealthy young man came to Jesus Christ and wanted to follow Him?  The young man was very proud that he had followed all the commandments laid down by God and Jesus was very proud of him?  Do you remember that Jesus asked him to sell everything and give it away to the poor and then come and follow him?  Do you remember that the rich man was very sad and left because he had much wealth?

This is the story that prompted Jesus Christ to tell us that it was easier for a camel to enter the kingdom of God than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
.yes but then the holy spirit as not come into the soul of men, but now so many weathy christian that as recieved the holy spirit many we be there right Wink

then, it will be very difficult for many pastors to enter into the Kingdom of God
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- derbi at 1-09-2009 08:59 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: ayoawe on 19-08-2008 12:43 AM
The bible starts from Genesis and ends in Revelation. Every pastor called of God should not exclude anything in the bible. The foundation of your walk with God is your salvation. Jesus says, except a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of God. It is after salvation that other promises of God can now follow. In Mt. 6:33 Jesus says "seek ye first the kingdom of God and its righteousness, and all other things shall be added unto thee". I doubt if any pastor will preach prosperity without preaching salvation, maybe you were absent on the days salvation was being preached, or maybe you tuned the pastor out because it was not something you want to hear.
thank u dear
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- eagleminded at 1-09-2009 10:09 PM (14 years ago)
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Maybe if Pastors let people know that God is a God of wealth and poverty, people will recieve the Gospel.  Many people believe that christians aren't supposed to be wealthy and perhaps the Lord wants His people to know that He is the one who blesses us to make wealth.  No one wants to serve God in poverty when God promises wealth.  I totally agree with letting believers know that poverty is not God's will for His people.  However Preachers should emphasize that it is the blessing of the Lord that maketh rich and adds no sorrow.  And the blessing of each believer is hidden in your assignment-- in order words,God's blessing will begin to overwhelm you if you find out why He created you and begin to operate in your calling.  All other methods of gaining wealth/riches will surely include lots of sorrow.  Stop trying to climb the corporate/academic/business ladder and pursue God's will for your life.  You will be rich beyond measure both physically and spiritually and you'll feel fulfilled.  If you can read this, do not harden your voice.  Repent and ask God to lead you towards the path He created you to take.  God bless you all. 
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- midasmanny at 2-09-2009 08:21 AM (14 years ago)
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@ Eagleminded "Many people believe that christians aren't supposed to be wealthy and perhaps the Lord wants His people to know that He is the one who blesses us to make wealth.  No one wants to serve God in poverty when God promises wealth"
@ Omatu ... remember your story of the rich man!!!


Which planet are you? Clipton or earth?

Churches are ran as corporation, with pastors and wifes as directors. They come in their Pathfinders, designer clothings and exultantly expressing a well mannered words of God that they know people wants to hear. Twisting His word to favour their terms. Yes, God is not God of poverty, likely I have extensively search the bible and cant find anywhere that the Apostles of Christ were not servants of his word and his doing, but never professors of material things. Even fraudsters are now opening churches. Whaaaooooh

If the likes of Oyakhilome, Adebayo and co are to lead by example, then they follow the mother Terhesa of this world.
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- prettynsexy at 2-09-2009 09:47 AM (14 years ago)
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how do u preach the gospel to the whole world if u dont have the money to do it?u ve got to be wealthy to take the gospel to the ends of the earth and God has a principle for prosperity.check the life of Jesus, the man was not poor.he was so wealthy that his roof had to broken for people to lay down a man that needs a miracle from Him.check the lives of his disciples and apostles, all those whose life had no meaning were given a meaning. Check the old testament, all the men that walked with God were made wealthy by God from Abraham,Isaac,jacob,solomon etc. These men walked with God. ask urself,"who am i walking with" God identified himself with all these rich guys. God has a principle and He wants u to be big and wealthy for the sake of the gospel.how do u take the gospel from Nigeria to Asia,America, japan.Caribbean if u dont have the money? I can go on and on to tell u why prosperity is necessary for the gospel to be preached. if u want answers hook up with me for more enlightnment. God did not make a particular people rich and others poor. Find out what God says and do it. stop being foolish and get back to the Bible and get to know Gods principle for these things
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- midasmanny at 2-09-2009 12:53 PM (14 years ago)
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@ pettynsexy "God has a principle for prosperity.check the life of Jesus, the man was not poor.he was so wealthy that his roof had to broken for people to lay down a man that needs a miracle from Him."

Bet Christ wasnt wearing Gucci, Amani and a Pathfinder outside the house. Expecially He certainly doesnt have overpaid security men.
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