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u see inemx i like u bcose u like askin reasonable questn. u know the GOD dat create u n me,my father,pastor,JESSUS N MUHAMMAD. the GOD dat creat evry single things:any human bein includin animals,angels,spirit.the same GOD dat gav JESSUS BIBLE is the one that gave MUHAMMAD QUR'@N.he create evrytin Reply
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OBJECTION my lord. JEHOVAH GOD DID NOT GIVE JESUS CHRIST -HIS SON THE BIBLE,(DONT FORGET THAT THE FIRST PART OF THE BIBLE (OLD TESTAMENT) HAD ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE CHRIST WAS BORN) RATHER, HE INSPIRED MEN THAT BELIEVED IN HIM TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE -THE BIBLE. OF ALL THAT GOD CREATED, HE DID NOT CREATE THE BIBLE. EVERY THING THAT CREATED HAS LIVE IN THEM. DOES YOUR QURAN SAY ALLAH CREATED QURAN.? Reply
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QUR'@N IS NOT A CREATION,N NO 1 CREAT QUR'AN. Inemx LET ME ASK U PLS CAN U TELL ME D DFRENT BW THE GOD DAT CREATED EVRYTIN, N JEHOVAS GOD ARE THE DSAME OR NOT Reply
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He has no answer to that. Reply
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Quote from: Bazman4shw on 10-07-2010 04:17 PM QUR'@N IS NOT A CREATION,N NO 1 CREAT QUR'AN. Inemx LET ME ASK U PLS CAN U TELL ME D DFRENT BW THE GOD DAT CREATED EVRYTIN, N JEHOVAS GOD ARE THE DSAME OR NOT THERE IS NO GOD THAT HAS EVER CREATED LIFE OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT MADE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND EVERY LIVING CREATURE THEREIN. HIS WONDERFUL NAME IS ''I AM THAT I AM''...JEHOVAH GOD.
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An empty post with no reasonable point to grab or to respond to, but full of arrogance and fanaticism. My time is precious, I should better use it for something reasonable for I have more pressing business than this. Reply IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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Quote from: cadanre on 12-07-2010 10:59 AM An empty post with no reasonable point to grab or to respond to, but full of arrogance and fanaticism. My time is precious, I should better use it for something reasonable for I have more pressing business than this. Let me re-phrase: The Muslims or Islam Claims that the Quran was personally handed to Mohammed by God or Allah; Now WE want to know with proof or witnesses the validity of this claim(s).
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Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 12:32 PM Quote from: cadanre on 12-07-2010 10:59 AM An empty post with no reasonable point to grab or to respond to, but full of arrogance and fanaticism. My time is precious, I should better use it for something reasonable for I have more pressing business than this. Let me re-phrase: The Muslims or Islam Claims that the Quran was personally handed to Mohammed by God or Allah; Now WE want to know with proof or witnesses the validity of this claim(s). What do you mean by this question? Do you mean that we Muslims said that God gave the Holy Qur'an to our Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) hand-to-hand (as you said PERSONALLY)? If that is your question, where did you here, see or read that? Who told you that? What is your source? Or is it your empty claims and allegations which are full of hatred against us? You are more than funny!!!!!   IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 12:32 PM Quote from: cadanre on 12-07-2010 10:59 AM An empty post with no reasonable point to grab or to respond to, but full of arrogance and fanaticism. My time is precious, I should better use it for something reasonable for I have more pressing business than this. Let me re-phrase: The Muslims or Islam Claims that the Quran was personally handed to Mohammed by God or Allah; Now WE want to know with proof or witnesses the validity of this claim(s). What do you mean by this question? Do you mean that we Muslims said that God gave the Holy Qur'an to our Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) hand-to-hand (as you said PERSONALLY)? If that is your question, where did you here, see or read that? Who told you that? What is your source? Or is it your empty claims and allegations which are full of hatred against us? You are more than funny!!!!! IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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If you are seeking to know how Qur'an was revealed (I know is not for the sake of knowing but for condemning), I will surely attend to your question. Here is the answer: ReplyTHE QURAN The Final Message from God The Holy Qur’an, is without any doubt the most positive book in the world, it is the most important and influential book known to mankind. The message from Allah, revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) by Angel Gabriel, teachings of Allah’s final message remain as relevant today as they ever been. The Holy Qur'an. It has been the source of Allah's wisdom for more than fourteen centuries for Muslims throughout the world. This message to humanity was sent down in Arabic, over a period spanning approximately 23 years, but since then it has been translated into many other languages. The Quran has not been expressed by using any human's words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by Allah alone, and Allah has guaranteed that He will protect the Quran from any human tampering. Therefore The Qur'an of today is the same as the Qur'an revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and the exact copies of original Arabic text are available all over the world. The Holy Qur’an’s fundamental message is the importance of focusing and shaping one’s life on Allah’s will only. Quran ordains deeds rather than words, and constantly emphasises to see beyond this earthly life. Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] The revelation of this Book (Qur’an) is beyond doubt from the Lord of the Universe. Do say they, "He (Muhammad) has invented it himself?" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn people to whom no warner has come before you, in order that they may be rightly guided. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 32:2-3] A Book which we have revealed to you (Muhammad) so that you may lead the people from out of the darknesses into the light by their Lord's leave to the path of the All-Mighty, the Praiseworthy. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 14:1] We have taught him (Muhammad) no poetry, nor is it meet for him. This is only a Reminder and a plain Qur’an, to exhort the living, and that Word may be justified against the unbelievers. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 36:69-70] Qur’an means 'that which is recited'. The unique characteristic of Prophet Muhammad's life and mission was preaching by recitation of what was being revealed to him from God through the agency of Angel Gabriel. And recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. No one can change His Words, and you shall find no refuge beside Him. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 18:27] These revelations became an entire Book. Since the revelation of the Qur'an, reciting its verses amd surah is part of Muslim worship and daily prayers. Millions of people recite the Qur'an regularly which affirms literal meanings of the Book itself. Believe it or not, Qur'an is the book of God and there is nothing one can do about it. It is the ever standard, unedited, unaltered (although several attempts were made by kuffars to alter it) and unchanged for tens of centuries. I THANK ALMIGHTY ALLAH FOR CREATING ME AND MAKING ME TO BE A MUSLIM FROM BIRTH TO DEATH (INSHA ALLAH) I AM EVER HAPPY FOR THAT!!!!!! ALHAMDU LILLAH RABBI ALAMEEEN. ALLAHU AKBAR IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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Is it enough or I should explain further? ReplyCalling the Qur'an amazing is not something done only by Muslims, who have an appreciation for the book and who are pleased with it; it has been labeled amazing by non-Muslims as well. In fact, even people who hate Islam very much have still called it amazing. One thing which surprises non-muslims who are examining the book very closely is that the Qur'an does not appear to them to be what they expected. What they assume is that they have an old book which came fourteen centuries ago from the Arabian desert; and they expect that the book should look something like that - an old book from the desert. And then they find out that it does not resemble what they expected at all. Additionally, one of the first things that some people assume is that because it is an old book which comes from the desert, it should talk about the desert. Well the Qur'an does talk about the desert - some of its imagery describes the desert; but it also talks about the sea - what it's like to be in a storm on the sea. Some years ago, the is a story of a man in Toronto, who was in the merchant marine and made his living on the sea. A Muslim gave him a translation of the Qur'an to read. The merchant marine knew nothing about the history of Islam but was interested in reading the Qur'an. When he finished reading it, he brought it back to the Muslim and asked, "This Muhammed, was he a sailor?" He was impressed at how accurately the Qur'an describes a storm on a sea. When he was told, "No as a matter of fact, Muhammed lived in the desert," that was enough for him. He embraced Islam on the spot. He was so impressed with the Qur'an's description because he had been in a storm on the sea, and he knew that whoever had written that description had also been in a storm on the sea. The description of "a wave, over it a wave, over it clouds" was not what someone imagining a storm on a sea to be like would have written; rather, it was written by someone who knew what a storm on the sea was like. This is one example of how the Qur'an is not tied to a certain place and time. Certainly, the scientific ideas expressed in it also do not seem to originate from the desert fourteen centuries ago. Many centuries before the onset of Muhammed's Prophethood, there was a well-known theory of atomism advanced by the Greek philosopher, Democritus. He and the people who came after him assumed that matter consists of tiny, indestructible, indivisible particles called atoms. The Arabs too, used to deal in the same concept; in fact, the Arabic word dharrah commonly referred to the smallest particle known to man. Now, modern science has discovered that this smallest unit of matter (i.e., the atom, which has all of the same properties as its element) can be split into its component parts. This is a new idea, a development of the last century; yet, interestingly enough, this information had already been documented in the Qur'an which states: " He [i.e., Allah] is aware of an atom's weight in the heavens and on the earth and even anything smaller than that..." Undoubtedly, fourteen centuries ago that statement would have looked unusual, even to an Arab. For him, the dharrah was the smallest thing there was. Indeed, this is proof, that the Qur'an is the book of God and not outdated. IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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Mh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ReplyIN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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Earth's orbit in Quran. ReplyI would like to bring the following 2 verses of the Koran to your attention: Qur'an 36:40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). Qur'an 21:33 It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its rounded course. “Although only two celestial bodies are mentioned, it is stated through a verb tense which is used for more than two things that all of them swim in a separate orbit. It can be inferred from this that all celestial bodies, together with the Sun and Moon, move in an orbit unique to them”. This interpretation which is indeed applicable for the Enbiya:33 also applies to Yasin:40. Because, Arabic translation of the part translated as “all of them swim in an orbit” in both verses is exactly the same: “küllün fı felekiy yesbehun”. Indeed, the reality is much striking than this... It is obviously emphasized in the verses that “night and day” also rotate in an orbit. The reference made to night and day in the Koran is always related to the Earth’s night and day. In other words, what is actually stated in both of these two verses is the fact that Earth also rotates in an orbit just like the sun and moon! For a moment, think about the movement of the earth in the space. While the earth is rotating around the sun, night and day which always and together exist above the earth also rotate in an orbit around the sun. From this perspective, the verses have an extremely subtle expression... Another thing implied by the narration of the swimming of the earth in an orbit in this way by referring to night and day may be related to around what the rotation of the earth is realized. In other words, night and day in the earth emerge owing to the sun. By stating “night and day also float in an orbit”, the verses may well be referring to the fact that this orbit is around the sun. Infact, in the above verses a specific type of 'figure of speech' seems to be employed. Referring to a whole (Earth) by means of its parts (night and day) is a rhetorical device known as 'synecdoche' (from Greek synekdoche, meaning 'simultaneous understanding'). Describing a complete vehicle as "wheels" or Calling a worker "a pair of hands" are other examples of this type of 'figure of speech'. Allah knows best. What did the Bible (which you believe that God sent it in its entirety) says about world and orbit? Tell me. IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
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@Cadanre ReplyI am never here to condem any religion, but you and your sidekicks are very fond of criticising. Now, Let me quote you: ...Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] My query: 1. How do one know that Allah said this and not whomever brought or wrote the book? 2. Is there any concrete proof or witnesses who where present with The Prophet when the Book was being handed to him?
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@Candare Reply...Becareful with your answers bro, dont let your answer be like the man who said he dreamt and saw an angel; then, I dont know who to ask, Him the dreamer or the angel. He continued to tell the lie or not for one thousand times and before you know, it becomes true and his book sold platnum.
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Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 04:10 PM @Cadanre I am never here to condem any religion, but you and your sidekicks are very fond of criticising. Now, Let me quote you: ...Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] My query: 1. How do one know that Allah said this and not whomever brought or wrote the book? 2. Is there any concrete proof or witnesses who where present with The Prophet when the Book was being handed to him? I WILL SUBMIT MY RIGHT HAND TO CHOPPED OFF IF ANY MUSLIM HAS A 10% ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS. chik001 weldone sir.
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Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 04:10 PM @Cadanre WHEN MOSES TALKED TO GOD... HOW MANY WITNESSES WERE THR? ANS IS NO 1 WAS PRESENT BUT MUSLIMS & XTIANS BELIEVE IT HAPPENED. WE NEED NO CONFIRMATION THAT THE REVELATION OF THE QURAN TO OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) THROUGH ANGEL GABRIEL TOOK PLACE. ITS A MATTER OF HAVIN FAITH. I am never here to condem any religion, but you and your sidekicks are very fond of criticising. Now, Let me quote you: ...Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] My query: 1. How do one know that Allah said this and not whomever brought or wrote the book? 2. Is there any concrete proof or witnesses who where present with The Prophet when the Book was being handed to him? A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything.
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Quote from: Inemx on 13-07-2010 11:25 AM Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 04:10 PM @Cadanre I am never here to condem any religion, but you and your sidekicks are very fond of criticising. Now, Let me quote you: ...Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] My query: 1. How do one know that Allah said this and not whomever brought or wrote the book? 2. Is there any concrete proof or witnesses who where present with The Prophet when the Book was being handed to him? I WILL SUBMIT MY RIGHT HAND TO CHOPPED OFF IF ANY MUSLIM HAS A 10% ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS. chik001 weldone sir. A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything.
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Quote from: BONZ on 13-07-2010 01:01 PM Quote from: chik001 on 12-07-2010 04:10 PM @Cadanre WHEN MOSES TALKED TO GOD... HOW MANY WITNESSES WERE THR? ANS IS NO 1 WAS PRESENT BUT MUSLIMS & XTIANS BELIEVE IT HAPPENED. WE NEED NO CONFIRMATION THAT THE REVELATION OF THE QURAN TO OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) THROUGH ANGEL GABRIEL TOOK PLACE. ITS A MATTER OF HAVIN FAITH.I am never here to condem any religion, but you and your sidekicks are very fond of criticising. Now, Let me quote you: ...Allah explains in The Holy Qur’an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur’an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4] My query: 1. How do one know that Allah said this and not whomever brought or wrote the book? 2. Is there any concrete proof or witnesses who where present with The Prophet when the Book was being handed to him? how often do you read your quran? besides, my question is; was quran given to mohammad as a compiled book or as revelation. ?
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