I can prove christianity is fake (Page 26)

Date: 16-09-2010 9:36 am (13 years ago) | Author: benti Adex
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- mchinwendu at 27-06-2011 07:10 PM (12 years ago)
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Democrazy,

P.S.

There is this book called, The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel .  Not sure if you've taken a look at it lready?  He also has a DVD with the same title and it can be found on www.youtube.com

He was a professing atheist and did an in-depth investigation which covers the Bible's authenticity, Christianity and Jesus Christ.  Some of the issues on your mind and heart that you have shared here are discussed in the DVD. 

It's quite interesting.  If you haven't, hope you have a chance to review it?

Posted: at 27-06-2011 07:10 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming
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- democrazy at 28-06-2011 06:00 AM (12 years ago)
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@mchinwendu
I honestly comend your effort which is why I will say this, do not post Lee Strobel as the proof on Harakiri's topic. I will find time tomorrow night to show you that this guy is a complete liar same as those pastors. I know Liar is such a hash word, but I will proof it to you. I will advise if you have his book, go to page 101 where he is trying to proof the conflict between the date of the Nativity as set forth in Luke versus Matthew. there is many more and am sorry to say, he actually will dent your hopes once shown to be a liar................I will see if I can find an audio or video link so you can hear him yourself.
Posted: at 28-06-2011 06:00 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- atamajim at 28-06-2011 01:31 PM (12 years ago)
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fcking ant- christ with seven horn, going by the name democrazy, u will dine with devil in hell
Posted: at 28-06-2011 01:31 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 28-06-2011 10:02 PM (12 years ago)
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@mchinwendu
Honestly I dont think its worth my time trying to proof to you re Lee Strobel. Think you have found out yourself, but if you still not sure.....then ask and I will gladly flow. Just one think you need to note as well, the Letter "J" as in the name Jesus was only introduced in the 15th century AD. There is no way on earth he can have a coin dated to Jesus time with a "J" inscription on it. This is why no one has seen the coin ever, just him. Yet he refered to finding a stash of them................there is more...........just ask!!
Posted: at 28-06-2011 10:02 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- kanyenda at 1-07-2011 08:47 AM (12 years ago)
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MY FRIEND CHRISTIANITY IS NOT FAKE, I SUGGEST YOU ARE FAKE Wink
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- mchinwendu at 1-07-2011 10:09 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 28-06-2011 10:02 PM
@mchinwendu
Honestly I dont think its worth my time trying to proof to you re Lee Strobel. Think you have found out yourself, but if you still not sure.....then ask and I will gladly flow. Just one think you need to note as well, the Letter "J" as in the name Jesus was only introduced in the 15th century AD. There is no way on earth he can have a coin dated to Jesus time with a "J" inscription on it. This is why no one has seen the coin ever, just him. Yet he refered to finding a stash of them................there is more...........just ask!!
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@democrazy

Lee Strobel is just a man...my trust in God does not rest on Lee Strobel.  I did see the DVD (not read the book but will check it out now-thank you) and anyone who is seeking the truth can get some investigatiive information from it.  Though as in anything, one still has to do the research and study work.  No matter what anyone says, who they are or what position they hold, whatever is said should be tested to see if it is true or not.  If it's not true, throw it out...if it's true, good and lines up with the word of God, take it and strive to incorporate in everyday life.

I accepted Jesus when I was a small child, so the aspect of whether God exist or not has been settled in my case.  Not man but God taught me and advised me of so many things there is no way I would have known about as a child.  {Though it doesn't make us perfect people, we still have to decide to listen, trust and do as God advises} God protected me and saved my life and I so thank Him. Being able to hear God speak to my heart and then see the things confirmed in life, is too big for words to describe.  God's want this for us all...He wants us to have a relationship with Him.  Please know God only wants what is good for us but He forces nothing on us; we still have to decide to accept.  God knows also everyone is not here at this point and still waits with open arms for their decision.  All I do is just share information that might assist someone in getting there.  It does not relieve the peson from finding out for themselves.  This part is a MUST always!

As well, in these days there is so much false mixed in with truth...but the truth can still be found and we are to take it. 

No one on earth has ever seen the wind...but we know it does exist.
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- mchinwendu at 1-07-2011 10:53 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 28-06-2011 10:02 PM
@mchinwendu
Honestly I dont think its worth my time trying to proof to you re Lee Strobel. Think you have found out yourself, but if you still not sure.....then ask and I will gladly flow. Just one think you need to note as well, the Letter "J" as in the name Jesus was only introduced in the 15th century AD. There is no way on earth he can have a coin dated to Jesus time with a "J" inscription on it. This is why no one has seen the coin ever, just him. Yet he refered to finding a stash of them................there is more...........just ask!!

@democrazy

I hear what you are saying.  Thanks for the information just the same...I will definitely get a copy of the book.  Though again, Lee Strobel is not a source for my faith at all...I just thought the DVD hit some points we were discussing here. 

It's on my heart to share that we are all to be cautious of mind traps.  And whatever I share applies to myself as well.  I say mind traps in the sense that if we look at our own lives, we all make mistakes but does this mean that we are unable to share any useful information to others?   

God instructs us to guard our eyes, ears, mind and heart.
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- democrazy at 3-07-2011 02:00 PM (12 years ago)
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@mchinwendu

Everything you hear has to been taken with a pinch of salt. Unfortunately for me, I do not reside in the religious realm and believe everyone that claims to be the champion of the christian religion is a DAMNED LIAR. By this I include all pastors, prophets, archbishops, popes, shepherds, etc. I am like you and you are like me..........dont get my quote wrong!! If you check your soul truthfully, you will know your experiences are as good and bad as an average human, does not neccessarily have to believe in GOD or DEVIL. You have said many times to me that you have seen GOD. We both know this is untrue. You have feelings and can perceive certain things. Because you have no other way of discribing your non-physical attributes you say GOD, being your indoctrination. This is same for me. Even a guy that does not believe in GOD still says "Oh GOD" when certain things happen. This is because it has been drummed into everyone of us from childhood. Knowing no different. BUT all I ask of you people is TRUTH!! that only resides inside you. You can fool me with fancy or un-checkable statements, but I assure you, YOU CAN NEVER FOOL YOU MIND. It knows you are not sure what you saying, but hopeful like the people around you and claiming a sense of belonging cos anything else will not be acceptable.........
Posted: at 3-07-2011 02:00 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- mchinwendu at 3-07-2011 04:43 PM (12 years ago)
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@democrazy

You are right, everything we hear has to be taken with a grain of salt because it may or may not be true.  Also at times, there are things we must reverse decision/belief/stance on because a decision at that point could lead us into error.   

In your response you said I have not seen God and that is absolutely correct.  I have never ever professed one time, let alone many time that I have seen God.  What I said is that his existence for me has been settled since I was a child.  I do know God and more importantly God knows me. No human being can tell me that God does not exist because God has proven to me that he does exist. 

You hit some good points, one being about people being indoctrinated since childhood,  some with some things that are twisted, inaccurate and/or completely false.  But some of these exact things you said are being drummed into people since they were young, are what I am talking about when I say that God showed me things there was no way I could have known as a child.  As a child, I could not understand ...I could have cared less and it was like that because I was a child.  My priorities and mind were elsewhere....like playing as much as possible (smile).  But God told me some things then because he knew it did matter and was very important to my future.  The many lessons He taught me, shaped me and shaped my life in an unimaginable way.  As an adult, I now understood very well why God advised me a certain way, as much confirmation of his word occured when I was an adult.  It is true, some teachings that are not from God have crept into the church.  It is true also true that some people who say God called them to one position or another have not been called by God.  But God's truth and proof of who He is ever remains.   

Yes I feel things, we all do but feelings change and sometimes are not based on any facts or anything valid whatsoever.  This is why we are not to let them rule us.  Someone can tell another a lie, and their feelings will move in line to respond to that lie, even though there is no reality to what was just said.   Yes, my perception is different because I have seen God do some miraculous things from the time I was a child and it continues.

We have good and bad experiences true but that does not take away from God's existence. 
The truth is that God is very real and has given us ample proof of his existance.  I have checked my soul truthfully...God has had me cross paths with many who are catholic, atheist, morman, Jehovah witness, muslim and others.  There is a main difference between religion and Christianity.  I am so very sure in what I am saying, 100%.

Please know that it is neither my intentions nor desire to fool anyone.  What would be the purpose in doing so?  Zero.  What would I gain or others gain in my doing so?  Nothing.  But, if I say I love and care about people and I do, then how can I not share what I know? 

What I know is that my mind, body and spirit are in agreement...God, the creator of heaven, earth and mankind exists and He is very active in our lives today.  Not by force, but whoever chooses to accept God's free gift of life through Jesus Christ will be saved!
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- democrazy at 3-07-2011 05:24 PM (12 years ago)
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@mchinwendu
Thanks for this input, I may have mistaken somewhere and hope my appology will be in order for having made those kinda accusations. Think it is part of living together to agree to differ on believes. It does not mean that one believe is right or true, its just what each person chose to do with their freedom of belief or action.

So I rest my topic here!!!
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- mchinwendu at 3-07-2011 06:54 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on  3-07-2011 05:24 PM
@mchinwendu
Thanks for this input, I may have mistaken somewhere and hope my appology will be in order for having made those kinda accusations. Think it is part of living together to agree to differ on believes. It does not mean that one believe is right or true, its just what each person chose to do with their freedom of belief or action.

So I rest my topic here!!!

@democrazy

You are very welcome.  No worries...apology accepted.  If I have offended you in anyway, I as well apologize.  I also thank you, as you have shared some good and valid points that exist in the hearts of many.  Agree to disagree it's like that sometimes.  Though know, we are praying for you just the same. 

Before I saw this post, I was prompted to ask you a question and it is for you.  Of course, you don't have to respond at all but know you are very free to do so if you wish.

Best regards always


 
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- democrazy at 2-09-2011 09:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Resting this topic is not a good idea...........not until wrongs have been made right!!

The people initially known as christians as per biblical indoctrination are called Jews. They seem to have a history supported by the bible and nothing else,

"There is no reputable anthropologist who will not agree that Jewish racialism is as much
poppycock as Aryan racialism... Anthropological science divides mankind into three
recognised races: Negro, Mongolian and Oriental, and Caucasian or white (although some
authorities refer to a fourth race - the australoids)... Members of the Jewish faith are found
in all three races and subdivisions."

The point is, however, that within the Jewish faith and other cultures, is a race, a
hidden race operating undercover, which carries the bloodlines of the reptilian full-
bloods and crossbreeds. These bloodlines appear, on the surface, to be part of these
faiths and cultures when, in fact, they are there to imprison and manipulate. So it is with
the Levites. It gets even more farcical, and indicative of what a smokescreen world we
live in, when you realise that most people who call themselves Jewish today have no
genetic connection whatsoever to the land they call Israel. Yet it is this very connection
that was used to justify the imposition of a 'Jewish' homeland on the Arab peoples of
Palestine! Again, as Jewish writers such as Arthur Koestler have exposed, all except a
small minority of people who created and populated the State of Israel, originate
genetically in southern Russia, not Israel. The hooked nose which is considered so
'Jewish' is a genetic trait of southern Russia and the Caucasus, not Israel. In 740 AD, a
people called the Khazars had a mass conversion to Judaism. Koestler writes:

"The Khazars came not from Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the
Caucasus. Genetically they are more related to the Hun, Uigar and the Magyar than the
seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges
from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax that history has ever perpetrated."

There are two main sub divisions of those who call themselves Jewish, the
Sephardim and the Ashkenazim. The Sephardim are the descendants of those who
lived in Spain from antiquity until the 15th century when they were expelled. The
Ashkenazim are the ancestors of the Khazars. In the 1960s, the Sephardim were
estimated to number some half a million, but the Ashkenazim numbered about
eleven million. These eleven million have absolutely no historical connection with
Israel whatsoever, but they are the ones who invaded Palestine and created the State
of Israel with the justification that 'God' promised them that land in the Old
Testament. Who wrote the Old Testament? Their priests, the Levites! And who wrote
the New Testament which created Christianity? People controlled by the same force
which controlled the Levites, the Babylonian Brotherhood.

The New Testament

OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?

He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy
spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill
him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by
the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the saviour of men and
led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving
sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross
between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to
heaven
.

Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn't it? But it's not. That is how they described the Eastern
saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you
want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient
world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan and reptile-Aryan
race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are just some of the
'Son of God' heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus
and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of;

Khrishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Osiris and Horus
of Egypt; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of
Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese;
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the
Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes;
Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids;
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut
and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Universal Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Divine
Teacher of Plato; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin lo, of
Greece; Ixion and Quirinus of Rome; Prometheus of the Caucasus; and Mohammed or
Mahomet, of Arabia.

All but a few of those 'sons of God' or 'prophets', and the mind-prison religions founded
in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from
the Near East and the Caucasus. The lands of the Aryans and reptile-Aryans. Other ‘sons of
God’ included Mithra or Mithras, the pre-Christian Roman-Persian god, and in Greece and
Asia Minor they had Dionysus and Bacchus. These were sons of God who died so our sins
could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on... December 25th!
Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th - Easter! Mithran initiations
took place in caves adorned with the signs of Capricorn and Cancer, symbolic of the winter
and summer solstices, the high and low points of the Sun. Mithra was often portrayed as
a winged lion, a symbol for the Sun still used by the secret societies today. References
to the lion and the ‘grip of the lion’s paw’ in the Master Mason Degree of Freemasonry
originate with this same stream of mystery school symbolism. Initiates into the rites of
Mithra were called lions and were marked on their foreheads with the Egyptian cross.
The first degree initiates had a golden crown placed on their heads, representing their
spiritual self, and this crown, symbolising the rays of the sun, can be found on the
Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour. All these rituals went back thousands of years
to Babylon and the stories of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis, and Tammuz, their version of
Jesus. Mithra was said to be the son (Sun) of god who died to save humanity and give
them eternal life. One classic symbol of Mithra was as a lion with a snake curled around
his body, while he holds the keys to heaven. This is more Nimrod symbolism and the
origin of the story of St Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 disciples, holding the keys to heaven.
Peter was the name of the High Priest in the Babylon mystery school. After an initiate
of the Mithran cult had completed the ritual, the members had a meal of bread and wine
in which they believed they were eating the flesh of Mithra and drinking his blood.
Mithra, like a long list of pre-Christian gods, was said to have been visited by wise men
at his birth who brought him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. The same was said
by Plato of his teacher, Socrates, in ancient Greece. Christianity is a Pagan sun religion,
the worship of which is condemned by Christianity! It is also an astrology religion, the
'evil' of which is condemned by Christianity, not least by the Pope! Beam me up Scotty,
it's mad down here. The church hierarchy, of course, know all this. They just don't want
you to know. The mystery cult of Mithra spread from Persia to the Roman Empire and
at one point this doctrine could be found in almost every part of Europe. The present
site of the Vatican in Rome was a sacred place for the followers of Mithra, and his
image and symbols have been found cut into rocks and stone tablets throughout the
western provinces of the former Roman domain, including Germany, France and
Britain. Christianity and the Roman Church were based on the Persian-Roman Sun god
called Mithra (Nimrod), who has an earlier equivalent in India called Mitra. Tammuz or
Adonis (Lord), who was revered in Babylonia and Syria, was said to have been born at
midnight on December 24th. These were also 'sons' of God.

Horus was the the 'son' of God in Egypt. He was derived from the Babylonian
Tammuz and, in turn, provided another blueprint for the later Jesus. The
connections are devastating for the credibility of the Christian Church: Jesus was
the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World. Jesus said he was the
way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life. Jesus was born in
Bethlehem, the 'house of bread'. Horus was born in Annu, the 'place of bread'.
Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd. Seven fishers board a
boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus. Jesus was the lamb. Horus
was the lamb. Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross. Jesus
was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30. Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary.
Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis. The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The
birth of Horus was marked by a star. Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus
was the child teacher in the temple. Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star. Jesus was the Christ. Horus
was the Krst. Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a
mountain by Set.

Jesus is said to be the 'judge of the dead'. He has some competition there. This was
also said of the earlier Nimrod, Khrishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Laokiun,
Bacchus, Zeus and others. Jesus is claimed to have performed miracles such as
healing the sick and raising people from the dead. So did Khrishna, Buddha, Zoroaster,
Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others. Jesus was born
of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and
others. Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun or tsze,
Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur,
Quetzalcoatl and far too many others to mention. Jesus will, we are told, be born
again. The sky is going to be rather crowded because Khrishna, Vishnu, Buddha,
Quetzalcoatl and others, will also be there. The 'star' at the birth of
Jesus is another multideity story and goes back at least to the
Babylonian tale of Nimrod who, in a dream, saw a brilliant star
rising above the horizon. The soothsayers told him that this foretold
the birth of a child who would become a great prince.
It's all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of
God's 'Sun'... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the
World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the 'one
true god' thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the
quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also
symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the 'one true cross. The
Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that's
exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the
head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician
stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC.
Posted: at 2-09-2011 09:31 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- mchinwendu at 5-09-2011 04:39 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on  2-09-2011 09:31 PM
Resting this topic is not a good idea...........not until wrongs have been made right!!

The people initially known as christians as per biblical indoctrination are called Jews. They seem to have a history supported by the bible and nothing else,

"There is no reputable anthropologist who will not agree that Jewish racialism is as much
poppycock as Aryan racialism... Anthropological science divides mankind into three
recognised races: Negro, Mongolian and Oriental, and Caucasian or white (although some
authorities refer to a fourth race - the australoids)... Members of the Jewish faith are found
in all three races and subdivisions."

The point is, however, that within the Jewish faith and other cultures, is a race, a
hidden race operating undercover, which carries the bloodlines of the reptilian full-
bloods and crossbreeds. These bloodlines appear, on the surface, to be part of these
faiths and cultures when, in fact, they are there to imprison and manipulate. So it is with
the Levites. It gets even more farcical, and indicative of what a smokescreen world we
live in, when you realise that most people who call themselves Jewish today have no
genetic connection whatsoever to the land they call Israel. Yet it is this very connection
that was used to justify the imposition of a 'Jewish' homeland on the Arab peoples of
Palestine! Again, as Jewish writers such as Arthur Koestler have exposed, all except a
small minority of people who created and populated the State of Israel, originate
genetically in southern Russia, not Israel. The hooked nose which is considered so
'Jewish' is a genetic trait of southern Russia and the Caucasus, not Israel. In 740 AD, a
people called the Khazars had a mass conversion to Judaism. Koestler writes:

"The Khazars came not from Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the
Caucasus. Genetically they are more related to the Hun, Uigar and the Magyar than the
seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges
from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax that history has ever perpetrated."

There are two main sub divisions of those who call themselves Jewish, the
Sephardim and the Ashkenazim. The Sephardim are the descendants of those who
lived in Spain from antiquity until the 15th century when they were expelled. The
Ashkenazim are the ancestors of the Khazars. In the 1960s, the Sephardim were
estimated to number some half a million, but the Ashkenazim numbered about
eleven million. These eleven million have absolutely no historical connection with
Israel whatsoever, but they are the ones who invaded Palestine and created the State
of Israel with the justification that 'God' promised them that land in the Old
Testament. Who wrote the Old Testament? Their priests, the Levites! And who wrote
the New Testament which created Christianity? People controlled by the same force
which controlled the Levites, the Babylonian Brotherhood.

The New Testament

OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?

He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy
spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill
him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by
the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the saviour of men and
led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving
sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross
between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to
heaven
.

Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn't it? But it's not. That is how they described the Eastern
saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you
want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient
world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan and reptile-Aryan
race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are just some of the
'Son of God' heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus
and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of;

Khrishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Osiris and Horus
of Egypt; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of
Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese;
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the
Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes;
Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids;
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut
and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Universal Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Divine
Teacher of Plato; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin lo, of
Greece; Ixion and Quirinus of Rome; Prometheus of the Caucasus; and Mohammed or
Mahomet, of Arabia.

All but a few of those 'sons of God' or 'prophets', and the mind-prison religions founded
in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from
the Near East and the Caucasus. The lands of the Aryans and reptile-Aryans. Other ‘sons of
God’ included Mithra or Mithras, the pre-Christian Roman-Persian god, and in Greece and
Asia Minor they had Dionysus and Bacchus. These were sons of God who died so our sins
could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on... December 25th!
Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th - Easter! Mithran initiations
took place in caves adorned with the signs of Capricorn and Cancer, symbolic of the winter
and summer solstices, the high and low points of the Sun. Mithra was often portrayed as
a winged lion, a symbol for the Sun still used by the secret societies today. References
to the lion and the ‘grip of the lion’s paw’ in the Master Mason Degree of Freemasonry
originate with this same stream of mystery school symbolism. Initiates into the rites of
Mithra were called lions and were marked on their foreheads with the Egyptian cross.
The first degree initiates had a golden crown placed on their heads, representing their
spiritual self, and this crown, symbolising the rays of the sun, can be found on the
Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour. All these rituals went back thousands of years
to Babylon and the stories of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis, and Tammuz, their version of
Jesus. Mithra was said to be the son (Sun) of god who died to save humanity and give
them eternal life. One classic symbol of Mithra was as a lion with a snake curled around
his body, while he holds the keys to heaven. This is more Nimrod symbolism and the
origin of the story of St Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 disciples, holding the keys to heaven.
Peter was the name of the High Priest in the Babylon mystery school. After an initiate
of the Mithran cult had completed the ritual, the members had a meal of bread and wine
in which they believed they were eating the flesh of Mithra and drinking his blood.
Mithra, like a long list of pre-Christian gods, was said to have been visited by wise men
at his birth who brought him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. The same was said
by Plato of his teacher, Socrates, in ancient Greece. Christianity is a Pagan sun religion,
the worship of which is condemned by Christianity! It is also an astrology religion, the
'evil' of which is condemned by Christianity, not least by the Pope! Beam me up Scotty,
it's mad down here. The church hierarchy, of course, know all this. They just don't want
you to know. The mystery cult of Mithra spread from Persia to the Roman Empire and
at one point this doctrine could be found in almost every part of Europe. The present
site of the Vatican in Rome was a sacred place for the followers of Mithra, and his
image and symbols have been found cut into rocks and stone tablets throughout the
western provinces of the former Roman domain, including Germany, France and
Britain. Christianity and the Roman Church were based on the Persian-Roman Sun god
called Mithra (Nimrod), who has an earlier equivalent in India called Mitra. Tammuz or
Adonis (Lord), who was revered in Babylonia and Syria, was said to have been born at
midnight on December 24th. These were also 'sons' of God.

Horus was the the 'son' of God in Egypt. He was derived from the Babylonian
Tammuz and, in turn, provided another blueprint for the later Jesus. The
connections are devastating for the credibility of the Christian Church: Jesus was
the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World. Jesus said he was the
way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life. Jesus was born in
Bethlehem, the 'house of bread'. Horus was born in Annu, the 'place of bread'.
Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd. Seven fishers board a
boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus. Jesus was the lamb. Horus
was the lamb. Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross. Jesus
was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30. Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary.
Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis. The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The
birth of Horus was marked by a star. Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus
was the child teacher in the temple. Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star. Jesus was the Christ. Horus
was the Krst. Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a
mountain by Set.

Jesus is said to be the 'judge of the dead'. He has some competition there. This was
also said of the earlier Nimrod, Khrishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Laokiun,
Bacchus, Zeus and others. Jesus is claimed to have performed miracles such as
healing the sick and raising people from the dead. So did Khrishna, Buddha, Zoroaster,
Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others. Jesus was born
of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and
others. Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun or tsze,
Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur,
Quetzalcoatl and far too many others to mention. Jesus will, we are told, be born
again. The sky is going to be rather crowded because Khrishna, Vishnu, Buddha,
Quetzalcoatl and others, will also be there. The 'star' at the birth of
Jesus is another multideity story and goes back at least to the
Babylonian tale of Nimrod who, in a dream, saw a brilliant star
rising above the horizon. The soothsayers told him that this foretold
the birth of a child who would become a great prince.
It's all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of
God's 'Sun'... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the
World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the 'one
true god' thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the
quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also
symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the 'one true cross. The
Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that's
exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the
head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician
stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC.

Christianity is not a Pagan sun religion, nor is it an astrology religion...it's not a religion at all.  There is only one true religion and it's not Christianity.  The only name you mentioned that I've researched some on is tammuz.  You have mentioned alot of things, alot of people and false gods.  Historical edicts and much more can clear alot of this up but it will take time.  I will definitely share what I find out.

God bless always
 
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- ajepakoromance at 5-09-2011 10:48 AM (12 years ago)
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you are wrong little girl,christainity existed from the beginning of creation when God created man and woman,put them in garden of Eden,have fellowship with them
;;;;;;man or woman ( not man and man or woman or woman)
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Our big man or gurl, we need more explanation why God fellowship with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. No wonder Lucifer rebel against him. Now read and learn.

From online etymology link, check for urself. Etymology mean, origin and definition of word in their original meaning.
According to english word etimology check mr big man or girl, ''c.1200, feolahschipe "companionship," from fellow + -ship. In M.E. it was at times a euphemism for "segxwal intercourse" (carnal fellowship).''.

Note mr big one, M.E, mean MEDIEVAL OR MIDDLE AGE ENGLISH.

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- ajepakoromance at 5-09-2011 11:09 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: gimac on 23-05-2011 06:35 AM
Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-05-2011 11:17 AM
Quote from: gimac on 20-05-2011 03:29 AM
you are wrong little girl,christainity existed from the beginning of creation when God created man and woman,put them in garden of Eden,have fellowship with them
;;;;;;man or woman ( not man and man or woman or woman)

This quote is from his or her big boy or girl @gimac.
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- CammyWhite at 5-09-2011 11:11 AM (12 years ago)
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Christianity couldn't have existed before Christ (Yeshuah Meshiach), so your fable about the Garden of Eden is a nonsense. That story is a metaphor, not literal fact.
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- Jackco at 11-09-2011 06:44 AM (12 years ago)
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                                                 READ  METICULOUSLY
What is Proof?
In asking this question,we're basically asking"What kind of proof will be good enough? How much proof is needed?". When we talk about proof,we're talking about establishing some degree of certainty about something.

Scientific knowledge is based on repeated observations,but scientific knowledge is only one kind of knowledge.Other kinds include historical knowledge,philosophical knowledge,moral knowledge and personal knowledge.These types of knowledge lie outside the bounds of scientific knowledge.

For example,take historical knowledge.Can you prove that King Henry the Eighth existed? Using the scientific approach of observation and repeatable experiments,impossible! But using historical methods,it is certain that he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This phrase is the key. While not one person living today has ever seen King Henry the Eighth,we know he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This is why in law courts,a jury must be convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,not beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So,when we look to prove whether God exists today,a scientific approach will not work.The amount of proof needed is not enough for we to say: "God exists beyond a reasonable doubt".

The Question Is Thus Restated In Two Ways:

1. Is There A Higher Being?
2. Is it reasonable to accept that there is a 'Higher Being' behind this universe? If so,how do we know 'what' or 'who' the Higher Being is?
There are many different arguments for the existence of a Higher Being, none of which rely on the Bible,and none of which can be scientifically proved.Here are a few:
                     Dealing With The First Question-
THE ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
When we look at anything which has a design,we rightly conclude that it had a designer. Somebody designed chairs for a purpose.Somebody designed a glove to fit over a hand.The universe,and particularly human beings,show an unbelievable amount of design.This points to a Designer.

THE ARGUMENT FROM ANTHROPOLOGY
Humans have a complex personality.It seems (and is) absurd that such complexity could have emerged from nothing,with no cause.Rather,the human personality would need to be made by a Being with the same,if not greater, complex personality.

THE ARGUMENT FROM CAUSE-EFFECT
Everything we can think of,and which we encounter,has been caused by something.Every effect has a cause.In something as complex and awesome as the universe,there is no difference.The Big Bang Theory does not destroy this argument,for no-one can explain the cause of the Big Bang.

THE ARGUMENT FROM ONTOLOGY
If there is a concept of something,this implies that the something does exist.For example,there is the popular concept of 'true love'.Although this concept might often seem elusive,the fact that we have the concept of true love in our heads,points to the real probability of the existence of true love.

THE ARGUMENT FROM MORALITY
The sense of morals which most people have 'built-in', points to the existence of a moral Maker. More than this,the other option of evolution,has no way of explaining how morals came from pond-slime,and ultimately, from nothing.
These arguments,on their own,and even collectively, cannot possibly 'prove' that God exists. However,they provide enough of a starting point to accept that there is probably a Higher Being of some kind.At this point,we are in a position to try and answer the second question.

                Dealing With The Second Question-
Who Is This Higher Being?
To discover this (if such a thing is possible for us to discover) we can approach it by starting from what we know,and moving to what we don't know.

1. This physical universe was caused by something 'beyond' it.
Everything we encounter and can think of, has a cause.The words you are now reading were caused by a person typing them on a keyboard.Cars move because they have an engine.A tennis court didn't suddenly come into existence one day.It was built by someone.People speak words because their brains instruct the muscles in their mouths to move. It is reasonable that the world we can see,and of which we are a part, also has a cause.

2. This 'beyond cause' has to be at least as complex as this universe.
In all the universe,the most complexity is found in the human body, and specifically,in human personality.This means that the cause of this universe must be at least as personal as we are.

3. This 'personal cause' [from now on, referred to as 'Higher Being'] brought about a universe with a number of characteristics:
The universe has an amazing amount of unity and diversity in it. Imagine life without colour, music and rainbows. Imagine not being able to imagine.possible?
Humans have emotions and intellect,which brings about hopes,dreams and fears. They also bring about the recurring Why Am I Here? What Is My Purpose? questions,all keep popping.
Humans have the ability to make their mark on this world,for good or for bad. This is why we see extremes such as Adolf Hitler and Mother Teresa.
Humans are not automatically 'clued in' about the existence of a Higher Being.But the incredible number of spiritual paths points to the fact that most people are interested in finding out...

4. The only reasonable way we can expect to find out who this Higher Being is,is if the Higher Being chooses to reveal him/her/itself to us...IF

We would expect either a direct communication from the Higher Being, or perhaps an indirect communication through a 'middle-man'.(most likely a human)
We would expect to be able to understand the communication.
We would expect that many,many generations would have received the communication.In other words,it would be strange and suspicious,if the Higher Being chose only to communicate to the last few generations,and not the thousands of generations before/after that.

5.When we survey the historical landscape,a number of candidates for such a communication appear.However,on closer examination,many of them disappear.

Of the several major world spiritual paths,only some claim that the universe was brought about by a Higher Being.
ANIMISM: is the worldview that spirits and forces have power over human lives,and that humans must find out which spirits are impacting them.But there is no Higher Being behind it all,and therefore no communication.
ATHEISM: is the worldview that there is no Higher Being of any kind.Since no-one is a monopoly of knowledge/fountain of wisdom and insight,this is not a position that can be defended or taken seriously.Clearly,there is no communication, as there is no-one to communicate.
BUDDHISM: is the worldview that there is no Higher Being of any kind,and that the universe has no beginning or end. Guatama Buddha never claimed to be 'God', and he never claimed that Buddhism would lead to 'God'.Since there is no Higher Being,there is no communication.
CHRISTIANITY: is the worldview that there is a personal God, who has communicated to humans through the Bible.
HINDUISM: is the worldview that the universe is an illusion. Some Hindus believe there are 33 million god,while others believe that there is one ultimate reality, Brahman.Yet, Brahman is not a personal Higher Being. He is more like a force,who is completely uninvolved with the universe (which is an illusion anyway).While there are sacred writings in Hinduism,there is no communication from a personal Higher Being.
ISLAM: is the worldview that one God,"Allah",brought everything into existence.Through the prophet Mohammed,Allah gave to humans the Koran.Allah has personality,but he is not the same God as the God of Christianity.Clearly, Islam is a candidate for a communication.
JUDAISM: is the worldview that one God,Yahweh,brought everything into existence.Yahweh communicated to His people Israel,by inspiring various people to pen the Old Testament (the Jewish Bible).
Various more recent spiritual paths have emerged,such as Mormonism,Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphianism,Scientology,Christian Science,the Unification Church,etc etc.All of these must be rejected as candidates,since they have only emerged in the past 1 or 2 centuries. Surely a personal Higher Being would not wait until the very recent past to communicate with people...

From the survey above,only Christianity,Islam and Judaism emerge as serious contenders for a communication from a Higher Being.We can narrow down our options even further, by asking what such a communication might 'look like'.Here are some pointers that may help.It would probably:
be within history - so we could have any access to it at all
be recorded - so we all could have access to it
be translatable - so anyone in any language could have access to it
be in everyday language - so that understanding will not be restricted only to a certain elite(s)
be a written communication - since an oral communication only might go the way of a Chinese Whisper....
make some 'way-out' claims - to differentiate it from the sacred writings of a normal person
offer some evidence to back up those claims
have an authoritative and/or exclusive tone
affect people quite strongly - either causing feelings of comfort, or anger.(perhaps)

Of the Bible (Christianity), the Koran (Islam) and the Hebrew Scriptures (Judaism), the one that stands out is the Bible.The difference with the Bible is that it focuses on Jesus,a man from the Jewish town of Nazareth.

lest i not be misunderstood,it is definitely reasonable to accept that there is a Higher Being of some sort.more of like its better to be educated than remain uneducated right?Next,we asked whether it was possible to discover who this Higher Being was.We then showed that beyond a reasonable doubt,There is a Higher Being.Remember, that we only need to establish this kind of 'proof' beyond a reasonable doubt,not beyond any doubt.God does exist today,and the personal,moral and philosophical knowledge of many people adds further evidence to this. No-one can ever prove that God exists by scientific methods or,prove that God does not exist by scientific methods.
             A LITTLE DERAILMENT HERE
some might arguably say,if we are to consider an unambigous situation for the christian god to restore amputated limbs,cure cancer,aids etc.may very well be impossible and ridiculous.but then again there are dozens of questions am likely to ask as well.but i will swallow them up simply because your answers may not be able to satisfy my conscience.my believe is just the fact that,however hard we humans all try to study and explain nature and other phenomenal cause/occurrences,we just won't get the answers completely or,we may even get most of them if not all wrongly.(the human brain was not designed to have access to all informations upon whatever we all choose to study.take it or leave it,your take).
    BACK TO THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION
There are more than 2.1 billion adherent christians on planet earth making it accountable for one-third of the world's population.now my question is this:
1. if christianity/god is fake and so unreal how is it possible that this religion has more subscribers than any other religion?(a good-product advertise and sells itself.nokia is not the best/most approved mobile phone in the world for nothing right?toyota automobile is not the world largest,best and most approved vehicle company for nothing either.in the same vein christianity is not the most practiced religion in the world for nothing or is it?guess i will have to check..
2.if the adherents of the christian faith are so delusional and gullible,how then do we pull out over 2.1 billion people worldwide out of this religion?(this is going to be a major challenge against a league of adversaries)which in my opinion,is going to be a mission impossible to achieve.
  IN A NUTSHELL
we are been left with three phrasal words which are CONCEIVE,FAITH and BELIEVE.
of course some people will still rebuff these words.but it is what is most likely upholded by people practicing different religion(s) and they pledge their allegiance to their various religion.
if one say why don't we see god,i may very well say god is invincible to the human eye in the form of stealth.just the way we have missiles and aircrafts invincible to radar.we can't see pain and emotion,yet we can only feel them.

if there is a validated proof that god does not exist and christianity is 100%fake then i implore that individual to adopt one of my favourite motto titled: "learning and sharing".

DISCLAIMER:
I sincerely hope that my comment does not offend any individual,any religion or ideology.In the process of trying not to offend any one religion there is always a probable risk.This is clearly not my intention.However,If you are religious or not,I harbor no animosity towards your faith/believe so please be tolerant of my cogitative reasoning.
one other thing,i have not claimed to prove with mathematical certainty that God exists.I have,however, provided good reasons to think that He does.If someone wishes to argue successfully that God does not exist,then provision of valid proof devoid of sentiment/hatred will be ideal for employment.Until that person does this,i can conclude that i have a good reason to claim that God does exist.(for me personally i don't speak for others).
                     i am however subject to correction and improvisation..
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- ajepakoromance at 12-09-2011 04:11 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: williams100 on 11-09-2011 09:37 PM
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What is Proof?
In asking this question,we're basically asking"What kind of proof will be good enough? How much proof is needed?". When we talk about proof,we're talking about establishing some degree of certainty about something.

Scientific knowledge is based on repeated observations,but scientific knowledge is only one kind of knowledge.Other kinds include historical knowledge,philosophical knowledge,moral knowledge and personal knowledge.These types of knowledge lie outside the bounds of scientific knowledge.

For example,take historical knowledge.Can you prove that King Henry the Eighth existed? Using the scientific approach of observation and repeatable experiments,impossible! But using historical methods,it is certain that he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This phrase is the key. While not one person living today has ever seen King Henry the Eighth,we know he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This is why in law courts,a jury must be convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,not beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So,when we look to prove whether God exists today,a scientific approach will not work.The amount of proof needed is not enough for we to say: "God exists beyond a reasonable doubt".

Mr williams100link. In fact, clap for urself, u try no bi small, chei! na wa.

But wait, where are jesus, mary, and josepph blood lines. Where are their corpse buried. Do they have any children before their death, where are they?. Well those of King Henry the Eight can still be accounted for, and his corpse is still kept sacred till present. Science has indeed proven that, the copse belongs to king Henry the Eight. Hmm!!!, waiting for more proof and confusion.

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- williams100 at 12-09-2011 10:31 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: ajepakoromance on 12-09-2011 04:11 PM
Quote from: williams100 on 11-09-2011 09:37 PM
                                                 READ  METICULOUSLY
What is Proof?
In asking this question,we're basically asking"What kind of proof will be good enough? How much proof is needed?". When we talk about proof,we're talking about establishing some degree of certainty about something.

Scientific knowledge is based on repeated observations,but scientific knowledge is only one kind of knowledge.Other kinds include historical knowledge,philosophical knowledge,moral knowledge and personal knowledge.These types of knowledge lie outside the bounds of scientific knowledge.

For example,take historical knowledge.Can you prove that King Henry the Eighth existed? Using the scientific approach of observation and repeatable experiments,impossible! But using historical methods,it is certain that he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This phrase is the key. While not one person living today has ever seen King Henry the Eighth,we know he existed beyond a reasonable doubt.This is why in law courts,a jury must be convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,not beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So,when we look to prove whether God exists today,a scientific approach will not work.The amount of proof needed is not enough for we to say: "God exists beyond a reasonable doubt".

Mr williams100link. In fact, clap for urself, u try no bi small, chei! na wa.

But wait, where are jesus, mary, and josepph blood lines. Where are their corpse buried. Do they have any children before their death, where are they?. Well those of King Henry the Eight can still be accounted for, and his corpse is still kept sacred till present. Science has indeed proven that, the copse belongs to king Henry the Eight. Hmm!!!, waiting for more proof and confusion.



there are some evidence(s) and hard facts about the birth/burial place of jesus.am very sure you are aware of the shroud of turin,nazareth and golgotha.i have relatives who are reverend fathers/sisters who have been to some of these places and they attested to it.
however,getting to trace the bloodlines/bloodlinks of these people is like looking for a needle in a haystack and i very much can't tell you that i have proof to all of these(that will be a mendacious lie)and i need not tell you that history proved it while science verified/concluded it.which of course,the scienctific conclusion can not be taken into account in a fully fledged form.(there are lots of conflicting descrepancies).
also,getting to know if they have children and where they are?'your guess is as good as mine'...
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