I can prove christianity is fake (Page 29)

@williams1, I have my answers in red.

Posted: at 27-09-2011 02:44 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@Cammywhite, will love to hear your input too..........

Posted: at 29-09-2011 01:37 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@mchinwendu
will I be getting a reply, waz looking forward to what answers you could have from your bible study classes. At least your pastor or Bishop should know which people are referred to as the GENTILES.

I know Zoegina
 has already taken her leave like all before her!

Posted: at 1-10-2011 10:39 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@Cammy, I do need you , sometimes I come just to see your input. Maybe not to prove christianity is fake . My use of english words is far from clever. It's even more difficult when I cant fully explain myself and reasons for my choice of words, since i will have to write a book.

My language that christianity is fake is cos, it's history and teachings are just white elephant projects. I came onsite to discuss meaningful issues but realized religion was a hot issue that stops people from becoming reasonable. Without reasonable people, meaningful discussions cannot be had, leading to lack of people to create a positive change in society.

Am even far off from what my original intentions were. Even the stories of the Egyptian Pharoahs and kings, or so called ancient egyptian Allegories are not what they are. Discussing the real issues will be misunderstood without actually breaking peoples bondage and opening them up for education as opposed to inductrination.

For example, if you look at Egyptian history, you come across the god ATUM, or generally known as ATUM Ra, or AMUN Ra or Amen. You hear stories of this great Pharoah and then trace the religion of Atum Ra to discover a greek word called ATOM. Then you realize that ATUM is a creator because he is just an ATOM/ATUM the smalled particle, at the Egyptian time, of all that is in the universe. Everything including air, water, and man, are created from ATOM/ATUM. The ATUM itself is a trinity of "proton-positive, neutron-neutral, and, electron - negative". When you look at this and try to find out truth, you realize you are stopped from learning by religion, or what you call DOGMA. Yet, when you look into the DOGMA, you see the same things being explained, but personified in such a way to make people have fear or some boggy man or moster entity. Trying to clarify this, leads indoctrinated people to claim that someone is claiming science over religion. How do you get off 1st base and explain that Education requires an open mind and knowledge is an infinite quest?

Am i waffling again?
The only person I have found on this site that I could really discuss with is Ajepakoromance.......

Posted: at 2-10-2011 10:15 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

I guess some questions are difficult to answer since we will have to take accept the bare truth staring us right in the face. But no, we cant change, can we?

Posted: at 8-10-2011 01:05 PM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@hosbert
I want you to get something straight as this thread is very different from yours. The main aim of this thread is not to argue wether God exists or not. The aim is to fight the killing and oppression of people by christianity by showing them the true face and reality of the christian religion. I will not have bothered calling someone's belief fake, it is mainly because of the artrocities they have comitted, continue to comit, and the mental state of the people around me that is so so low in spirit and are joining to pray for dooms day when Jesus will come to sought the christians from the non-believers. This is my future, past, and present, so I am not a joker!!!

That said, let's get back to your last input.

If I ask you to show me how the world was created, you have no fact or proof to substanciate your claim, but the bible.
If I ask you to prove that GOD spoke words that created all that is in existence, you have no proof, but the words written in the bible.

If I were to do same, and bring zecharia sitchin's book about creation and call it a bible, we will never agree if we maintain a stance of using only a single book reference. As our books give 2 very different and opposite accounts of creation.

So to be reasonable people, we discuss each item of creation, and argue out facts, moving away from the book reference.
I know you would say you can't move away from the book as it is the bible and written by GOD. But as previously said, the Muslims also say the Quran was dictated directly by GOD. They have no "son of GOD". Do they not fight christians as having opposite believes? do you see the continuing danger in such believes that cannot be substanciated, yet claims supremacy or supernatural knowledge?

Please I employ you to not take me that way of having to argue on this topic only from the context of one book we all know is not written by GOD and could not have survived in a book form for 500 years without crumbling into dust.

So let's discuss.............

Do you have proof of the word spoken by GOD that created existence?
My questions range as
1) What form was GOD before the creation of the universe?

2) according to the biblical account

"The Beginning"
 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 

Here there is no mention of word of GOD. It also refers to "the heavens" meaning plural, not one heaven. And specifically states that the earth was created formless. Is the word created here rightly used as to create means to build and when you build something, you start from scratch and add unto your creation till it's complete. I dont see words being used here to create the heavens and earth.
3) In the above chapter, where did the waters come from? I cant simply assume that God created the earth with it having 75% water in it. Because according to chapter nine "And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” Does this mean the earth was water and no ground at the time of creation?

If you wish to discuss such then am all game and can explain different to sichin's theory that ancient Africa including the original knowledge given to Egypt stated that............forget BIG BANG theory, because it was also copied from the ancient text, will like to say bible too, ut I'll leave that out for now. What did the ancient African creation story say?

It says, there was blackness or darkness in the beginning and a wave sound like waters moving was traveling in the darkness. As this wave moves, Hydrogen atoms contained within it escape into the darkness. A single Hydrogen atom is very unstable when it leaves the "wave" and is seen as a higly volatile spark till it combines with itself to become 2 x hydrogen atoms/atum forming Helium. If you search, you will find helium is the most common element in the universe. Next to this you find all subsequeszt elements are a combination of a pair of hydrogen. You can say am going scientific, but to me, this is just knowledge, be it using geometry or meditating to find facts.

The unstable Atum, created everything that you see in the universe. When the ancient Africans refer to the sun as RA. the religion that followed became the worship of ATUM RA. The atomic structure of the sun. This tells me that somewhere along the line education was changed to a religeous form. In my recollection, the Ancient Africans never practised any religion and still to date, no one can tell me the religion of the pre-dynastic egyptian peoples. I cannot put a time period to when all these knowledge became corrupted, but I sure know that the people of Egypt(known as kemet) took steps to build huge monuments that will stand a test of time, to enlighten the people of the next generation. The knowledge they tried to pass on was highjacked and translated to brainwash and confine the peoples to illetracy.

Anyway...long writing, let's just discuss the 3 questions i asked if you care to answer.........as so many bodies have so far fallen along the way.

To me, knowledge has been lost and I do not hold all the answers, but I am willing to learn and be corrected.

Posted: at 18-10-2011 01:39 AM (12 years ago) | Gistmaniac

@hosbert
I want you to get something straight as this thread is very different from yours. The main aim of this thread is not to argue wether God exists or not. The aim is to fight the killing and oppression of people by christianity by showing them the true face and reality of the christian religion. I will not have bothered calling someone's belief fake, it is mainly because of the artrocities they have comitted, continue to comit, and the mental state of the people around me that is so so low in spirit and are joining to pray for dooms day when Jesus will come to sought the christians from the non-believers. This is my future, past, and present, so I am not a joker!!!

I think am misconstrued here because my post was a mere contribution to a position presented in the course of discussing your thread which tend to place God and His action side by side such tissue of lies like the big bang theory.First,you cannot proof that there was actually a bang and if there was,what sparked off the bang and what actually were the components or materials and how did there came about? Endless questions if I want to continue.
Point of correction:
Christians do not kill and I challenge you to produce evidence to counter my position.When the Isrealites killed and plundered their neighbours,they were not christians and still are not christians.The erroneous impression here is that Isreal nation is a christian nation but this not true.Every government and nation pursues a particular economic,political and foreign policies and these must not be seen as a christian agenda.Jesus made this abundantly clear in Matthew 12:50
For whoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Also in John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
This is where most people misunderstand christianity.Christianity is a relationship,fellowship,communion,companionship,an intermingling together with God.

So to be reasonable people, we discuss each item of creation, and argue out facts, moving away from the book reference.
I know you would say you can't move away from the book as it is the bible and written by GOD. But as previously said, the Muslims also say the Quran was dictated directly by GOD. They have no "son of GOD". Do they not fight christians as having opposite believes? do you see the continuing danger in such believes that cannot be substanciated, yet claims supremacy or supernatural knowledge?



Here you ask me to move away from the bible to proof my claims but you are also making reference to other books written by men.So why do have problem with my referenc to the bible? I have chosen it because it the Truth but man have manipulated its content to their advantage,misconstrued and misinterpreted to either disapprove the existence of God who inspired the writers (All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (II Tim. 3:16,17) ) and/or prevent people from believing in God.If christians take up arms to fight,my brother you and I know what would have been the result.Christ did not fight when He was here and as his followers,we cannot fight as God fights for us.A nation is not a christian but the individuals therein who have accepted Christ and live according to the word of God.

Most importantly,the bible is not mere words but the life and spirit of God (John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life).When you accept and believe these words,it will make you what it talk about,just dare to believe and live by the word.Christianity is not the church members and by mere saying am a christian but having a genuine relationship with God.

Posted: at 18-10-2011 09:32 AM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

You know this is not a reasonable statement to make. Why do I say it is not reasonable. Because to reason is the process of using your mind to consider something carefully. You said Christians do not kill!! Is this really truly a reasonable statement with all that you know. Or can I also say Muslims do not kill?
Secondly, to challenge me to show you something you know is true but will deny is not reasonable. The world holds adolf Hitler to war crimes, not because he personally killed the jews, but it was done under his orders. All the christian killings were done under GOD' a good example I always give is the PREMEDITATED MURDER of the Amalekites

1 Samuel 15 "Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’"

Is this a different GOD from the christian GOD? or are you saying revenge killing is not premeditated murder when innocent babies are killed?



Sometimes in your haste to prove your point,you end up muddling issues rather than present and situate them in their right perspectives.Worst still,your resort to attacking my person rather than my position smacks of a feeling of defeatism and lack of self control.Now back to the issues highlighted above,I have already made the issue clear in my earlier post and for the purpose of emphasis,I will repeat myself.Christianity is not about a nation,people,race or colour.Isreal as a nation in the period under review was not and would be wrongly addressed as a christian nation by anyone who percieves it so.The simple reason being that the world never witnessed christianity until the resurrection of Christ from death.In essence,the Isrealites when they fought or rather killed the Amalekites were not christians.

The second question as to whether the God of the Isrealites at the time the Amalekites were destroyed is different from the christian God,the answer is NO He is the same God.However,something brought about the situation then.God searched through the earth and found that only Abram was upright and thereafter called him to serve Him (God).Due to Abram's submission to God,God entered into a covenant with him and this was how Isreal became God's chosen people then.Whatever transpired between God,Isrealites and their neighbours then stemmed from this bacground.However,Isrealites ceased to be special to God immediately Jesus resuurected from death.Christ brought grace to the world such that there is no longer the circumcised and the uncircumcised,the Jew and the Gentiles as all are one before God in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus).

A christian cannot kill because killing is a sin and a christian cannot sin (1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Posted: at 19-10-2011 09:24 AM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

@Cammywhite when we stop twisting arguments just to serve our purpose(s),then our grasp of the subject of discuss would not be biased and our imputs would as well be objective.You did imply in one of your posts that there are fakes in every religion and if you know so,it follows that those who killed were not christians but claim to be.Christians actually are dead to the flesh;this means they are not moved by the mundane things of the world system just like Christ.They live Christlike and Jesus never killed when he was here or fought any war.Most people claim christianity while they are not.I have said that the church buildings,wearing of cassocks,or colar or robes is not a qualification to being a christian or pastor.Let us get this things straight. 

Posted: at 19-10-2011 02:55 PM (12 years ago) | Upcoming

I can see how open your mind is as well as your reasonability.You are so engrossed with 'sense knowledge' such that what is beyond your sensory perception,you criticise and condemn.If you are open to learning and reasoning,you would have not said that am confused because all the materials you have referred to in the course of discussing your thread are books written by others.So what justification do have disputing my reference to the bible whether it is written by God or man.You have chosen to be blind to the inconsistencies in such books that are actually products of trial and error.You can continue to wonder how God created the world but do not drag me into wondering with you.The bible already provided an answer.

I still do remember that the topic and it is not about inconsistencies in the bible or whether God wrote it or not.When you bring up this issue in may be a new thread,then we will see to that.I still remember that logic is divided into deductive and inductive reasoning and whereas deductive reasoning concerns what follows necessarily from given premises (if a, then b); inductive reasoning involves the process of deriving a reliable generalization from observations.However,an inference is deductively valid if and only if there is no possible situation in which all the premises are true but the conclusion false. An inductive argument can be neither valid nor invalid; its premises give only some degree of probability, but not certainty, to its conclusion.You arguments so far,negates this simple facts of logic because logic and reasoning is nothing other than if...then.If God said Christ would die and resurrect after three days and it happened just like He said,then He (God) exists.Simple logic.

Posted: at 20-10-2011 09:37 AM (12 years ago) | Upcoming