Different Versions of The Koran (Page 2)

Let’s find our proof in the Hadith ( Hadith No. 514 Vol. 6) Vol. 9 - Apostates - Chapter 9 27/30)

below is the exact quote as recorded in the hadith:

"What is said about Al-Mutaawwilin (those who form wrong opinions of disbelief about their Muslim brothers).
 Umar bin Al-Khattab said,… "I heard Hisham bin Al-Hakim reciting Surat-al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (SAW). I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited it in several different ways which Allah's Apostle (SAW) had not taught me.
So I was about to jump over him during his prayer but I waited till he finished his prayer whereupon I put, either his upper garment or my upper garment, around his neck and seized him by it and asked him, "Who has taught you this Sura?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught it to me." I said (to him), "You have told a lie! By Allah, Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught me this Sura which I have heard you reciting." So I dragged him, to Allah's Apostle (SAW), I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have heard this man reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way which you have not taught me, and you did teach me Surat-al-Furqan." On that Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "O Umar, release him! Recite, O Hisham." So Hisham recited before him in the way as I had heard him reciting. Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." Then Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "Recite O Umar." So I recited it. The Prophet (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." And then he added, "This Quran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite it which ever way easier for you...

After reading this ...It I thought to myself...who is fooling who...?

Posted: at 8-01-2011 08:25 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Jazakallahu-bi-Khair Brother Mubaji

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Posted: at 9-01-2011 08:55 PM (13 years ago) | Hero

@Mubaji


I quote…
...”Qur'an was narrated with sevem ahrufs…YES. Bible is otherwise...”
Tell us in your own words what that ahrufs means...?
Qur'an was revealed from a divine-source...and edited by men...notably (Abu Bakr `Asim)
And those before him…
...Nafi -  Medina; d.169/785
...Ibn Kathir  - from Mecca; d.119/737
...Abu `Amr al-'Ala' - from Damascus; d.53/770
...Ibn `Amir - from Basra; d.118/736
....Hamzah - from Kufah; d.156/772
...al-Qisa'i - from Kufah; d.189/804

...I agree with you...The Bible is different from the Koran...
The Bible preaches peace with one’s neighbour and even enemy...
The Koran preaches Violence and terrorism...
The writers or The Koran included violence and terrorism because...he early converts believed The Koran contains many Biblical characters and stories…but the stories were mixed up. The variations came from either the Jewish Haggada or the New Testament apocrypha… or… they are simply mistakes made by a listener (reader or transmitter)…?

Muhammad was illiterate. He depended on oral information from Christians and especially from Jews. The corruption of oral transmission explains the inaccuracies of the stories. Historical errors include and not limited to:
Mary being the sister of Aaron(S. 3:31ff)
 Haman being Pharaoh's minister (S.28:38)
The conflation of Gideon and Saul (S. 2:250).

The early converts have heard similar stories and even accused Mohammed in…
Sura 16:103
That’s why he Mohammed or the editors of the Koran resulted in violence as the only way to propagate their message because they lack substance, objectivity and creativity…

Posted: at 10-01-2011 07:15 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

You guys are on the same page.................Christianity and their bible is fake. They killed everyone to enforce the false believe or indoctrination.

Islam and the Quran is also same and they also killed millions to enforce and brainwash their subjects.

It's quite nice seeing both of you guys and you chumps, argue a topic that you both are correct.

Watching, Reading, and laughing!!!

Posted: at 11-01-2011 06:36 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

..i quote you..".Remember the word EDITING to edit something...is that the best you can do...common bro...

let me quote you from one of you post again...

"Later some improvements were made in the Arabic script, like the adding of dots and diacritical marks, to make it easier for non-Arabs to read, but of course, the text of the Qur'an has remained, and will remain the same forever..."

and I wrote...

...the keywords here are improvements adding and making it easier for non-arabs...
...because you added dots and diacritical marks, can you still call it the original "word to word" translation ?

Posted: at 11-01-2011 06:56 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

you are so correct, most peoples dosen,t regard the translation into many languages as authentic , and therefore regards it as meaning of the holy quraan

Posted: at 11-01-2011 09:02 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

Posted: at 12-01-2011 08:13 AM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

what a big lie! i don't think this guy want to have peace because he doesn't deserve any with all this fallacies. lieing against someone is a crime not to talk of a whole group of people.
ajanni has told you the fact "Muslims don't regard Qur'anic translations as they regard the Arabic copy because it's the chosen language for revelation from ALLAH The Most High. nevertheless, we don't mal-handle the translations like putting it under pillow as christians do; anything you revere must not be handled as such, i can't handle my favorite Novel, textbook,  worthy materials e.t.c as christians handle the Bible.
there is nothing called version of our Holy Book (Qur'an). a scholar who translated the Qur'an might have new edition of his own book, but not the source which he translated. this new editions are called for perhaps because he just find an Hadith which translates a verse he didn't translate, translated wrongly, transtlated with a weak-Hadith, or has just changed his motion on a verdict, among others. in a nutshell, the editions are done for the sake of sincerity; hence like any other book-author, you have different editions.
we have different Tafsiirs i.e translations, and as a result we are free to choose from any reliable source as far as the Mufassir (translator) supports his tafsiir with convincing eveidences to backup.
this is one of the things you seem not understand about Islam as a religion.

chik001, it's time you understand that there is no iota of doubt about Qur'an being a revealation to prophet Muhammad (PBUH) while Biblical sources is non-reliable. consequently, you guys have carry different versions; the ECWA's is not same as celestials, RCCG's differ from Cherubim and Seraphim e.t.c. your modes of worships are different too; in some churches ladies must cover all their hair while some are lenient about that, some of you wash themselves before worshipping -they claim that's their own from of ablution while some are otherwise. infact, some bow on the floor during worship while others remain standing during theirs. all these are few controversies which you have in your religion, all because the source is at fault.

chik001, i like you and want good for you but it seems you dislike yourself and hate peace for fellow human-beings.
if you must read about Islam, read from what Muslims write not from those orientalists who studied Islam for the sake of deceiving people like you by claiming they are specialists in Islamic studies, comparative religion and all sorts.
wish you think in no distant time to back off this path you are treading; it's destructing.
if you don't accept Islam, let Muslims be at peace otherwise you'll be the first victim when...

Posted: at 13-01-2011 06:06 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac

Posted: at 13-01-2011 11:01 PM (13 years ago) | Grande Master

   
are you afraid?! the person i talked to didn't comment on that and you are trembling like a newly-born-chicken.
anyway, what i'm telling you is that you are calling for the wrath of your creator and by the time it descends on you; Holy Ghost Fire will not be there to help.
i can't touch you neither can i kill you too so pls stop shivering.
oh, i forgot to tell you that those abusive-words you wrote are meant for you, you alone.

Posted: at 15-01-2011 05:12 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac