Different Versions of The Koran (Page 3)

Date: 29-12-2010 6:35 pm (10 years ago) | Author: Onyike Onyekaraka
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- ajanni at 15-01-2011 07:33 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 15-01-2011 05:12 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 14-01-2011 02:55 PM

 see threat, you are very stupidoooo, what will happen then? you still believe that you moslems have dominance over violence yet you come here to tell us islam embraces peace. look you fools, you are just being managed by good hear ted christians. do you really believe that if there will be this world war that you moslems will wipe out every other religion here on earth when even mecca your holy is being protected by a christian country from fellow islamic countries. do you really see any islamic country as being powerful enough to christians all over the world?. think twice b/c u are just being managed to stop killing urselves
Grin  Grin  Grin
are you afraid?! the person i talked to didn't comment on that and you are trembling like a newly-born-chicken.
anyway, what i'm telling you is that you are calling for the wrath of your creator and by the time it descends on you; Holy Ghost Fire will not be there to help.
i can't touch you neither can i kill you too so pls stop shivering.
oh, i forgot to tell you that those abusive-words you wrote are meant for you, you alone.


maturity at its best
Posted: at 15-01-2011 07:33 PM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- ajanni at 15-01-2011 07:36 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 15-01-2011 05:23 PM
Quote from: chik001 on 13-01-2011 09:11 PM
...what fallacy is there...
...That Muslim faithfuls don't know the different between versions and translation...or That they know the meaning...just that they only behave as if they don't..just to elevate Islam...

Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
after my clarification, i must tell you this, 'it's appalling to hear that you don't know the difference between the word VERSION and TRANSLATION'.
good day.


i had told you earlier on , you don,t need to engaged this animals in a conversations in a reasonable manners , you reply them as they deserves
Posted: at 15-01-2011 07:36 PM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- ajanni at 15-01-2011 07:43 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ganster-kid on 14-01-2011 02:55 PM
Quote from: mubaji on 13-01-2011 06:06 PM
Quote from: chik001 on 11-01-2011 07:02 PM
@CANDANRE
I repeat what I have said before...(I love to repeat for emphasis)...
Anytime a translation is done into another language, the translator (who is only human) has to interpret the meaning and render it in the new language. It is, by nature, an approximation of the meaning, since words and ideas cannot be expressed identically in different languages.
...yous Islamic "faithfuls" will refer to the translated language as version (meaning it's not original because it's not The Koran).
what a big lie! i don't think this guy want to have peace because he doesn't deserve any with all this fallacies. lieing against someone is a crime not to talk of a whole group of people.
ajanni has told you the fact "Muslims don't regard Qur'anic translations as they regard the Arabic copy because it's the chosen language for revelation from ALLAH The Most High. nevertheless, we don't mal-handle the translations like putting it under pillow as christians do; anything you revere must not be handled as such, i can't handle my favorite Novel, textbook,  worthy materials e.t.c as christians handle the Bible.
there is nothing called version of our Holy Book (Qur'an). a scholar who translated the Qur'an might have new edition of his own book, but not the source which he translated. this new editions are called for perhaps because he just find an Hadith which translates a verse he didn't translate, translated wrongly, transtlated with a weak-Hadith, or has just changed his motion on a verdict, among others. in a nutshell, the editions are done for the sake of sincerity; hence like any other book-author, you have different editions.
we have different Tafsiirs i.e translations, and as a result we are free to choose from any reliable source as far as the Mufassir (translator) supports his tafsiir with convincing eveidences to backup.

this is one of the things you seem not understand about Islam as a religion.

chik001, it's time you understand that there is no iota of doubt about Qur'an being a revealation to prophet Muhammad (PBUH) while Biblical sources is non-reliable. consequently, you guys have carry different versions; the ECWA's is not same as celestials, RCCG's differ from Cherubim and Seraphim e.t.c. your modes of worships are different too; in some churches ladies must cover all their hair while some are lenient about that, some of you wash themselves before worshipping -they claim that's their own from of ablution while some are otherwise. infact, some bow on the floor during worship while others remain standing during theirs. all these are few controversies which you have in your religion, all because the source is at fault.

chik001, i like you and want good for you but it seems you dislike yourself and hate peace for fellow human-beings.
if you must read about Islam, read from what Muslims write not from those orientalists who studied Islam for the sake of deceiving people like you by claiming they are specialists in Islamic studies, comparative religion and all sorts.
wish you think in no distant time to back off this path you are treading; it's destructing.
if you don't accept Islam, let Muslims be at peace otherwise
you'll be the first victim when...




 see threat, you are very stupidoooo, what will happen then? you still believe that you moslems have dominance over violence yet you come here to tell us islam embraces peace. look you fools, you are just being managed by good hear ted christians. do you really believe that if there will be this world war that you moslems will wipe out every other religion here on earth when even mecca your holy is being protected by a christian country from fellow islamic countries. do you really see any islamic country as being powerful enough to christians all over the world?. think twice b/c u are just being managed to stop killing urselves


And who tells you that makkah and not mecca is being protected by infidels ? you must be mad really , the protections of our holy places is in the hands of GOD , and even in the pre islam era , that house was protected not to talk of now that the entire world is at our finger tip, its only the empty vesel that make most noises , you are still blind folded at this technological age , try it now , that madness you call crussade , and in a few minute it will dawn on you all , animals
Posted: at 15-01-2011 07:43 PM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- ganster-kid at 17-01-2011 04:13 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 15-01-2011 05:12 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 14-01-2011 02:55 PM

 see threat, you are very stupidoooo, what will happen then? you still believe that you moslems have dominance over violence yet you come here to tell us islam embraces peace. look you fools, you are just being managed by good hear ted christians. do you really believe that if there will be this world war that you moslems will wipe out every other religion here on earth when even mecca your holy is being protected by a christian country from fellow islamic countries. do you really see any islamic country as being powerful enough to christians all over the world?. think twice b/c u are just being managed to stop killing urselves
Grin  Grin  Grin
are you afraid?! the person i talked to didn't comment on that and you are trembling like a newly-born-chicken.
anyway, what i'm telling you is that you are calling for the wrath of your creator and by the time it descends on you; Holy Ghost Fire will not be there to help.
i can't touch you neither can i kill you too so pls stop shivering.
oh, i forgot to tell you that those abusive-words you wrote are meant for you, you alone.







shiver for aboki man? hahahahahahahahahayou go back ask ur father the truth first. if u doubt it, tell ur brother in the east to start trouble the way u do it in jos .  Talking about the wrought of god , i can't incur the wrought of God b/c i followd his ways i never worshipped any other god except God almighty ans his son and our messiah Jesus . i don't know what u are talking about.if you are talking of ur alla, i dare him to touch Gods anointed if he is truly living
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- ajanni at 17-01-2011 05:06 PM (10 years ago)
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look at the animal again
Posted: at 17-01-2011 05:06 PM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- cadanre at 18-01-2011 06:01 AM (10 years ago)
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@ chik0000001

I have said it here many times that you are here only for destructive criticism of Islam and Muslims, no more no less. And let me tell you this again...... Being it that you believed in Bible and you accepted that bible is in tens of versions does not make it necessary for Muslims to accept that Qur'an is in versions too, you can really not force that into us. Qur'an is one standard book BELIEVE IT OR NOT. No Muslim will tell you that this is so-so version of Qur'an and this one is so-so version. In fact, may be you have never seen one. Even the Qur'an with English, Hausa or Yoruba translation has the arabic text written on the right had side of each and the translation on the left-hand side. Have you ever seen it, or you just read the blah-blah-blah from the many pages of baseless accusations of fallacies in the Qur'an by your authors? I am not saying you should necessarily understand or accept what I say.... I am just telling you to know what you do not know. You only rely on the works of fundamentalis which are absurd and baseless and you cannot force us into accepting it. Ok?

Posted: at 18-01-2011 06:01 AM (10 years ago) | Hero
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- cadanre at 18-01-2011 06:07 AM (10 years ago)
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@ chik000000000000001

I think I have to show you the image example of what I was trying to make you understand. Look at the English translated Qur'an below and see how the translation is. It is not just like the way you translate Bible (which original text went missing hundreds of years back, which language revealed in has faded away from people). I am sure you can never read Bible from its original text or language. That is how all things got mixed up and most of them went missing...... See how Qur'an is being translated below:


Posted: at 18-01-2011 06:07 AM (10 years ago) | Hero
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- cadanre at 18-01-2011 06:12 AM (10 years ago)
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@ chik000000000001

So, for your information, Qur'an as a book is not being translated in one single language without the arabic text at one side. As such, the Arabic text still remains at a side even thouth it's been translated. I know your authors forgot to tell you that, because they don't want you to know.

Posted: at 18-01-2011 06:12 AM (10 years ago) | Hero
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- ganster-kid at 18-01-2011 01:26 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ajanni on 17-01-2011 05:06 PM
look at the animal again


 this foreign jaki, are u still here? Angry Angry Angry Angry better pack ur bag and leave this country when u still have time
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- chik001 at 18-01-2011 08:07 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 18-01-2011 06:12 AM
@ chik000000000001

So, for your information, Qur'an as a book is not being translated in one single language without the arabic text at one side. As such, the Arabic text still remains at a side even thouth it's been translated. I know your authors forgot to tell you that, because they don't want you to know.

There will never be a correct word-to-word meaning of any translation of a language into another...especially Arabic.
Most of what you are reading is approximation...nearest in meaning...whether Arabic text is written next to English text does not validate it as the true meaning of...
Posted: at 18-01-2011 08:07 PM (10 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- mubaji at 18-01-2011 08:19 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ganster-kid on 17-01-2011 04:13 PM

shiver for aboki man? hahahahahahahahahayou go back ask ur father the truth first. if u doubt it, tell ur brother in the east to start trouble the way u do it in jos .  Talking about the wrought of god , i can't incur the wrought of God b/c i followd his ways i never worshipped any other god except God almighty ans his son and our messiah Jesus . i don't know what u are talking about.if you are talking of ur alla, i dare him to touch Gods anointed if he is truly living
you have just displayed your idiosyncrasies from this animalistic behaviour because i don't know of a sensible human-being who would open his mouth and abuse someoneelse's parents. anyway, the tenets of my beautiful-religon doesn't permit me to do so because it regards parents much than you could think of. however, i'm not suprised at you, since you and your folk could abuse God (your creator) by claiming he has a child; there is no one you won't abuse as well.
you've already incurred the wrath of God, you know what our fathers say in Yoruba, meaning "God want to catch you, you are looking back, do you think he runs after anyone" i.e your time hasn't come, when it comes you won't know because God doesn't notify eccentrics like you. thank God i'm not an aboki and, if i am "aboki no be disease''.
"One with God na majority".
Posted: at 18-01-2011 08:19 PM (10 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chik001 at 18-01-2011 08:22 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 18-01-2011 06:01 AM
@ chik0000001

I have said it here many times that you are here only for destructive criticism of Islam and Muslims, no more no less. And let me tell you this again...... Being it that you believed in Bible and you accepted that bible is in tens of versions does not make it necessary for Muslims to accept that Qur'an is in versions too, you can really not force that into us. Qur'an is one standard book BELIEVE IT OR NOT. No Muslim will tell you that this is so-so version of Qur'an and this one is so-so version. In fact, may be you have never seen one. Even the Qur'an with English, Hausa or Yoruba translation has the arabic text written on the right had side of each and the translation on the left-hand side. Have you ever seen it, or you just read the blah-blah-blah from the many pages of baseless accusations of fallacies in the Qur'an by your authors? I am not saying you should necessarily understand or accept what I say.... I am just telling you to know what you do not know. You only rely on the works of fundamentalis which are absurd and baseless and you cannot force us into accepting it. Ok?
...ok...since you and your Muslim scholars can not contract and contrast on the different versions of the Bible...go ahead and tell me the difference between these your VERSIONS...
...be careful...I have a software that downloads all Bible Translations under the sun...so... say what you know...
Posted: at 18-01-2011 08:22 PM (10 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- cadanre at 18-01-2011 11:48 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: chik001 on 18-01-2011 08:07 PM
Quote from: cadanre on 18-01-2011 06:12 AM
@ chik000000000001

So, for your information, Qur'an as a book is not being translated in one single language without the arabic text at one side. As such, the Arabic text still remains at a side even thouth it's been translated. I know your authors forgot to tell you that, because they don't want you to know.

There will never be a correct word-to-word meaning of any translation of a language into another...especially Arabic.
Most of what you are reading is approximation...nearest in meaning...whether Arabic text is written next to English text does not validate it as the true meaning of...

That is what you have in mind. At least we have the Arabic text side-by-side with the Hausa, Yoruba, or English translation. I wonder if the original language of Bible could be found today. Present Bible deviated almost entirely from the original one. Editing and re-editing, versions after versions in most cases, this version arguing with that version. The writers themselves argue that this version is more standard and the older versions are out of date. Imagine!

Posted: at 18-01-2011 11:48 PM (10 years ago) | Hero
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- chik001 at 19-01-2011 11:11 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: cadanre on 18-01-2011 11:48 PM
Quote from: chik001 on 18-01-2011 08:07 PM
Quote from: cadanre on 18-01-2011 06:12 AM
@ chik000000000001

So, for your information, Qur'an as a book is not being translated in one single language without the arabic text at one side. As such, the Arabic text still remains at a side even thouth it's been translated. I know your authors forgot to tell you that, because they don't want you to know.

There will never be a correct word-to-word meaning of any translation of a language into another...especially Arabic.
Most of what you are reading is approximation...nearest in meaning...whether Arabic text is written next to English text does not validate it as the true meaning of...

That is what you have in mind. At least we have the Arabic text side-by-side with the Hausa, Yoruba, or English translation. I wonder if the original language of Bible could be found today. Present Bible deviated almost entirely from the original one. Editing and re-editing, versions after versions in most cases, this version arguing with that version. The writers themselves argue that this version is more standard and the older versions are out of date. Imagine!
Candanre...leave this your magic words and tell us the differences in the versions of The Holy Bible which you have been talking about...let us where the editing and deviations were made...and which version argues with which...?
Posted: at 19-01-2011 11:11 AM (10 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ganster-kid at 19-01-2011 03:07 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: mubaji on 18-01-2011 08:19 PM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 17-01-2011 04:13 PM

shiver for aboki man? hahahahahahahahahayou go back ask ur father the truth first. if u doubt it, tell ur brother in the east to start trouble the way u do it in jos .  Talking about the wrought of god , i can't incur the wrought of God b/c i followd his ways i never worshipped any other god except God almighty ans his son and our messiah Jesus . i don't know what u are talking about.if you are talking of ur alla, i dare him to touch Gods anointed if he is truly living
you have just displayed your idiosyncrasies from this animalistic behaviour because i don't know of a sensible human-being who would open his mouth and abuse someoneelse's parents. anyway, the tenets of my beautiful-religon doesn't permit me to do so because it regards parents much than you could think of. however, i'm not suprised at you, since you and your folk could abuse God (your creator) by claiming he has a child; there is no one you won't abuse as well.
you've already incurred the wrath of God, you know what our fathers say in Yoruba, meaning "God want to catch you, you are looking back, do you think he runs after anyone" i.e your time hasn't come, when it comes you won't know because God doesn't notify eccentrics like you. thank God i'm not an aboki and, if i am "aboki no be disease''.
"One with God na majority".




 ...... Then ur alla must be different from those of cadanre and ajanni . in terms of God having a child? Yes , he sent his only son that me and you will be saved but you rejected him for religion of violence well its left for , but for me, i choosed christ
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- ajanni at 20-01-2011 09:28 AM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ganster-kid on 18-01-2011 01:26 PM
Quote from: ajanni on 17-01-2011 05:06 PM
look at the animal again


 this foreign jaki, are u still here? Angry Angry Angry Angry better pack ur bag and leave this country when u still have time

its you and your ancestors that are foreing here on our soel , and we will be treating you so ,you are slaves to us , and no class citizen , animaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaals
Posted: at 20-01-2011 09:28 AM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- ganster-kid at 20-01-2011 02:10 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ajanni on 20-01-2011 09:28 AM
Quote from: ganster-kid on 18-01-2011 01:26 PM
Quote from: ajanni on 17-01-2011 05:06 PM
look at the animal again


 this foreign jaki, are u still here? Angry Angry Angry Angry better pack ur bag and leave this country when u still have time

its you and your ancestors that are foreing here on our soel , and we will be treating you so ,you are slaves to us , and no class citizen , animaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaals






 hahahahahahahahaha, ajanni, are you angry that you were found out to be from Niger? Grin Grin Grin Grin we will always find ppls like out and identify your origin. you are different from Nigerians, i know your cursed father came in as a beggar trekking all the way from Niger. shuwa arab to be specific. your blood tasty nature clearly marks you out. But i have one advice for you,run as fast as your legs can carry b/c FBI is already on ur trail, and in fact you know what they do to terrorists like you, ajanni i think its time for you to trace your ancestral home, we Nigerians are tired of you ppl , so gooooooooo Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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- ajanni at 20-01-2011 10:22 PM (10 years ago)
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look at this maggot again , useless and nonentity , like father like son , you will ver remain a slave in your entire life , your useless father dies as a slave you can,t be better than him anyway , idiot
Posted: at 20-01-2011 10:22 PM (10 years ago) | Grande Master
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- cadanre at 21-01-2011 10:41 AM (10 years ago)
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@ chik0000000000000000000001

Are you trying to tell me that all the following versions are the same with no disagreements and diversions between them? Is that what you are trying to tell me? Look at them first.

Early English Translations & Versions
Modern Translations
Darby Translation
American Standard Version
Revised Standard Version(RSV)
New International Version(NIV)
New American Standard Bible(NASB)
The New King James Version
The Full Life Study Bible(NIV and KJV)...... TOO MANY TO NUMBER AND WITH MANY MORE TO COME. Are you telling me that when compared and contrasted, they arrive at the same Bible?

Posted: at 21-01-2011 10:41 AM (10 years ago) | Hero
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- ganster-kid at 21-01-2011 01:56 PM (10 years ago)
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Quote from: ajanni on 20-01-2011 10:22 PM
look at this maggot again , useless and nonentity , like father like son , you will ver remain a slave in your entire life , your useless father dies as a slave you can,t be better than him anyway , idiot


 like father like son? thank God for ppl That resemble their father. ajanni do you know your Father? he is here on the street, feeding on waste baskets with dogs. leave terrorism, go and take away ur father on the street then prepare for ur journey back to Niger before its too late. Dog
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