Quote from: Segun57 on 14-03-2012 03:42 PM Pastor Chris was very correct. Mastorbation has nothing to do with God because it is meant to relief mind and deprive men from adultory or fonication. All act of sin are those against God or injurioust to another person. ERROR! ERROR!! ERROR!!!
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Masturbation is a sin because a person consents in their own heart to take segxwal gratification from impure thoughts. It is sinful to indulge in the segxwal pleasure that is derived from the satisfaction of using one's imagination to FIXATE upon obscene images, or obscene actions, or forbidden sex. Lustfully fixating upon genitals, or segxwal acts, is idolatry. This is called: the worship of obscenities. This is the sin of those addicted to pornography. That's often a "guy" thing. Alternatively, taking delight in the lust of another, or consummating a fantasy of forbidden segxwal romance, is the sin of adultery in the heart. That's often a "girl" thing. The act of masturbation is an outward act that confirms that one's heart and mind has consented to an inward act of impurity. Only by consenting to an imagined act of impurity can one attain orgasm. To attain segxwal release, a person's will consents to LOVE something that is segxwally impure. ReplyTo fully understand why masturbation is sinful, one must appreciate the holiness of one's own body, and believe in the true and sacred purpose of human segxwality. The "spiritual union" known as "a state of grace" consists in God's uniting himself with the body and soul of a human being. The sanctification of a soul by the grace of God is a spiritual divine union: it is as sacred as marriage itself! The hearts and minds of Christian people must not be defiled by gratifying themselves by indulging in impure segxwal fantasies, or by abusing their own physical segxwal powers. One's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit! One can no more masturbate in private without the defiling the temple of the Holy Spirit, than one could masturbate inside a Church without defiling it! If one believes that his own body is less holy than a physical building, then he does not at all understand the meaning of the holy gospel, or the awesome holiness of Christian grace. The relationship of Christ with his Church is a supernatural marriage. Christ espouses his Church as a bride. The marriage of a man and a woman is but a reflection of how intimately God espouses a soul through the indwelling of his divine grace: which is the indwelling of his Holy Spirit. All are united to God through Christ, and through Christ all souls are united with each other. This holy union of souls is called: the "Mystical Body of Christ" - or- "The Church". Christ espouses his Church as a bride. Christian marriage is only a reflection of this more perfect, and eternal marriage: that of Christ with his Bride, the Church. God is jealous of what our hearts and minds consent to indulge in. This is because his love is intimately personal! God longs to be loved with the affection and loyalty of a spouse! God desires and intends to enjoin in a spiritual, even matrimonial union with the soul. The union with God of a soul in a state of grace is a very real participation in God's own divinity! In a state of grace, the soul mystically participates in the divine life of God himself through the Holy Spirit dwelling within him. Like committing adultery within a marriage, acts of masturbation break the souls covenant of fidelity with God. That is why, usually, acts of masturbation are mortal sins.
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Quote from: ben4ulove on 14-03-2012 04:46 PM WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT... The word masturbation is not written in the bible, it's part of the segxwal immorality the Bible talk about. m*st*u*r*b*a*tion?
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It's so sad most of the people here are so ignorant and can't follow simple instructions. The Pastor is trying to let you know that, it is your thought process behind the act that makes it a sin. If it is possible that you don't have any dirty thoughts while doing it, then it's not a sin. It's not the act itself that defiles you,but the nasty thoughts you had or have while doing it. Reply
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Quote from: loluyemi on 14-03-2012 06:39 PM It's so sad most of the people here are so ignorant and can't follow simple instructions. The Pastor is trying to let you know that, it is your thought process behind the act that makes it a sin. If it is possible that you don't have any dirty thoughts while doing it, then it's not a sin. It's not the act itself that defiles you,but the nasty thoughts you had or have while doing it. [/quote If a man think of robbing his fellow man tonight and he eventually proceed with his thought, two things are involved. The thought which is a sin and the action which is the stealing. The thought to masturbate and the masturbation itself is a sin. Pastor chris was wrong to say masturbation is not a sin.
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Quote from: betty55 on 14-03-2012 12:08 PM l am not going to coment to chris becos he knows whom he is serving.but the question is does who are following him do they know who the are following.this last days God is exposing so many of them for the elect to know and take heed.l mean run from them seperate urself from them.the bible warn severally against this vain teachers calling them selve christ.is time to build urself up with God,s word and dwell in his secret place before this vultures will devour u to hell.people who are already building heaven for themselve on earth.going around with bodyguard being afraid to die so that they don,t go to hell.that is while l say they know who they are serving.see at the end of all he only explained t*t*logy and advertise his buiness for u to get and pay him money.as for me l can never be deceive. Some men of old did some certain things and they were blameless by God. We all know that God hate lie but, Abraham lie to the king that sarah was his sister instead of wife. God didn't blame Abraham for telling lies but, he started tormenting the King. David unlawfully eat the food that was meant for the priest and he was blameless by God. If pastor Chris said masturbation is not a sin which I considered a sin, that doesn't mean you start uttering sacarstical statement about him. God might not blame pastor Chris for this statement, each and everyone of us will be held accountable for our deeds.A reasonable born again Christian chooses to enlighten people from his or her spiritual understanding of the Bible. A carnal Christian preferred condemnation.
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Quote from: ksurrina on 14-03-2012 04:01 AM He has touch on a very important FACT that a lot of CHRISTIANS doesn't know. They called everything SIN but Jesus Christ the Son of God let us to know that SIN is not BELIEVING ON HIM. John 16 The Lord thy God let us to know in Gen 4 when we do WELL then we will be accepted if not then SIN lay at the door it becomes the person desire and that person will RULE over it. SIN is something that YOU RULE OVER. Christians doesn't understand that it is only BELIEVING you will be able to avoid SINNING. There are ABOMINATIONS, DEFILED BODY, TRANSGRESSIONS, TRESPASSES and SIN. BELIEVING start with hearing the Word of God which is the LAW OF MOSES and continue with His Son Jesus Christ. You live outside the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and you reject the Son of God and follow POWER OF CHRIST teaching you are living in SIN. Power of Christ is what use to the DISOBEDIENT ONES. Learn what is SIN and then you will live in RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is why there is BLESSINGS and CURSE for the PEOPLE OF GOD. You BELIEVE you receive BLESSINGS you don't believe you receive CURSE. Hugs and Blessings Nice writing. I think if we dwells in God's love and filled our life with the love of God, obedience, commandments and God's law will be made perfect unto us. Sin shall not have dominion over us. The peace of God surpasses all understanding.
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people pls open ur eyes ,look at the way this idiot is checking .he can,t anwser the qustion direct ,he can not defend him about his coments ,he is just blabing ,what a fool,i pite those who fellowshipe at his so called church.may god 4give u all Reply
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Quote from: loluyemi on 14-03-2012 06:39 PM It's so sad most of the people here are so ignorant and can't follow simple instructions. The Pastor is trying to let you know that, it is your thought process behind the act that makes it a sin. If it is possible that you don't have any dirty thoughts while doing it, then it's not a sin. It's not the act itself that defiles you,but the nasty thoughts you had or have while doing it. IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS A SIN BCOS U CANNOT MASTURBATE WITHOUT THE NASTY THOUGHTS AS U SAID.
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Quote from: Xaiyu on 14-03-2012 10:46 AM To begin with, those commenting on this topic and Oyakhilome, have no clue about what they are talking about. Sit down and do some thinking. You are a Christian, Muslim or whatever because you were born into it. Which of you here can prove the existence of God beyond what you were told by your parents, teachers etc when you were growing up. The bible Chris reads from, who wrote it? They say it is the word of God, fine, prove it. Have you seen God since you were born, have you felt him, have you had any form of contact beyond what you were told? Despite these, some people are killing in the name of religion, what a shame. I live in Europe. These people brought Christianity to Africa to steal our resources. The people who brought you this false religion, do not believe in what they taught you! They don’t go to church, they don’t want you to make noise about God to them, you who they brought it to, have churches in every street, and kill in the name of the said God for little no reason. Africa, wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who ask you where you live,you have a brain problem i must if you can not see hasn't you heard,the gods have total blind you from seeing the fact and beautiful nature of GOD and existence of the creator,if i may ask you,how did you know that it was your parent who give birth to you,just as you are born i learn that they are you parent,you have grandfather and mother ,it is how we learn that we have ALMIGHTY GOD,THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,SEEN AND UNSEEN What is happening today is not surprise to us and also your comment is not surprise ,we know that people like you will deny a existence of God,so the kingdom of God had been suffering violet right from the days of John The Baptism
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Quote from: harold634 on 14-03-2012 07:15 PM Some men of old did some certain things and they were blameless by God. We all know that God hate lie but, Abraham lie to the king that sarah was his sister instead of wife. God didn't blame Abraham for telling lies but, he started tormenting the King. David unlawfully eat the food that was meant for the priest and he was blameless by God. If pastor Chris said m*st*u*r*b*a*tion is not a sin which I considered a sin, that doesn't mean you start uttering sacarstical statement about him. God might not blame pastor Chris for this statement, each and everyone of us will be held accountable for our deeds. l choose to reply to ur coment cos l know u to be reponsible in ur coment always.u mession abraham and david.this are individual in the bible.we are talking about a aman of God who have more than millions of follower over the world who worship him like their God and he spoke publicly on this abomination not calling a sin.as u can see his members are already rejoicing in iniquity.some already swearing for those who dare speak against his preaching.when the bible warn against false preacher l think the story of this two men in the old testament was already there.so why the anger on my coment.did l say anything contrary to the word of God?the word of God is without compromise.he made first mistake and more mistake in the second one and u still compare him to abraham lies.can any of them both u and l go through what abraham went through before he deserved such mercy from God.the word of God is complete my brother u don,t pick one chapter and end it there.anyway salvation is personal.this where many have become follow follow to this so called men of God.even though they know the truth they are afraid of telling it cos of fear touch not my annoited.as long as l know every child of God is annoited. A reasonable born again Christian chooses to enlighten people from his or her spiritual understanding of the Bible. A carnal Christian preferred condemnation.
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masturbation is what philosophers like us call SPIRITISM........Means is the person is possess by evil spirit. it is a SIN before,it is a SIN today,it is a SIN tomorrow and will continue to be a SIN forever Reply
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pls pastor be considerate of the conditions before approval Reply
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Quote from: ksurrina on 14-03-2012 04:01 AM He has touch on a very important FACT that a lot of CHRISTIANS doesn't know. They called everything SIN but Jesus Christ the Son of God let us to know that SIN is not BELIEVING ON HIM. John 16 The Lord thy God let us to know in Gen 4 when we do WELL then we will be accepted if not then SIN lay at the door it becomes the person desire and that person will RULE over it. SIN is something that YOU RULE OVER. Christians doesn't understand that it is only BELIEVING you will be able to avoid SINNING. There are ABOMINATIONS, DEFILED BODY, TRANSGRESSIONS, TRESPASSES and SIN. BELIEVING start with hearing the Word of God which is the LAW OF MOSES and continue with His Son Jesus Christ. You live outside the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and you reject the Son of God and follow POWER OF CHRIST teaching you are living in SIN. Power of Christ is what use to the DISOBEDIENT ONES. Learn what is SIN and then you will live in RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is why there is BLESSINGS and CURSE for the PEOPLE OF GOD. You BELIEVE you receive BLESSINGS you don't believe you receive CURSE. Hugs and Blessings Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS MASTURBATION A SIN". I am totalling disappointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly masturbate without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus masturbate? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly.
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Quote from: harold634 on 14-03-2012 07:23 PM Nice writing. I think if we dwells in God's love and filled our life with the love of God, obedience, commandments and God's law will be made perfect unto us. Sin shall not have dominion over us. The peace of God surpasses all understanding. Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS MASTURBATION A SIN". I am totalling dissapointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly masturbate without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus masturbate? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly.
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Quote from: danny6 on 14-03-2012 08:51 AM Guy you can not m*st*u*r*b*a*te without having segxwal thought in mind, and as far as you have the thought you have sinned sayz the word of God. Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS MASTURBATION A SIN". I am totalling dissapointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly masturbate without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus masturbate? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly.
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Quote from: harold634 on 14-03-2012 06:49 PM Quote from: loluyemi on 14-03-2012 06:39 PM It's so sad most of the people here are so ignorant and can't follow simple instructions. The Pastor is trying to let you know that, it is your thought process behind the act that makes it a sin. If it is possible that you don't have any dirty thoughts while doing it, then it's not a sin. It's not the act itself that defiles you,but the nasty thoughts you had or have while doing it. [/quote If a man think of robbing his fellow man tonight and he eventually proceed with his thought, two things are involved. The thought which is a sin and the action which is the stealing. The thought to m*st*u*r*b*a*te and the m*st*u*r*b*a*tion itself is a sin. Pastor chris was wrong to say m*st*u*r*b*a*tion is not a sin. Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS MASTURBATION A SIN". I am totalling dissapointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly masturbate without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus masturbate? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly.
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Quote from: emekaralph on 14-03-2012 10:39 PM Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS m*st*u*r*b*a*tion A SIN". I am totalling disappointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly m*st*u*r*b*a*te without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus m*st*u*r*b*a*te? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly. gbam, full stop. no comma or question mark. 
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Quote from: emekaralph on 14-03-2012 10:39 PM Please o! lets not deviate from the main topic. I hate when fellow Christians use irrelevant and indirect quotations and half baked biblical references to confuse people and answer questions. Question is "IS m*st*u*r*b*a*tion A SIN". I am totalling disappointed with the pastors opinion. Infact he didn't even answer that, but was going around in circles. He compared this with stealing bread and eating it, that it's the thought of stealing that is wrong and not the eating of the bread. Well i say it aloud now for all to hear. Eating or consuming "STOLEN GOODS" is wrong. Please pastors quoting the bible literally. How can one possibly m*st*u*r*b*a*te without having impure thoughts? without first having lustful desires of the flesh and then satisfying the flesh by masturbating? are we not suppose to dwell in the spirit? Did Jesus m*st*u*r*b*a*te? Any one who starts this acts, starts getting addicted to it and it could then grows to various acts of rape, paedophilia, incest etc etc. this is the same way he encourages young youths to dress half naked saying dressing doesn't matter it's the heart that matters. Then the question is how can someone who is so pure in heart dress half naked? and then lead others to sin??? How can a pure spirit entertain and get so excited at strangers admiring their body parts and clothings, when this so called body according to the bible is suppose to be the temple of the lord! At this rate there will be no virgins in "BELIEVERS THAT LOVE THE WORLD CHURCH" honestly. my brother preach it loud.this one l love this soo much.the wise and the foolish virgin.hmmmmmmmmm.
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christ embassy is know for their indecent dressing and imorality and fake speaking in tongue.they are even thought on how to speak in tongues that is while many of them speak same vain tongue.l have a sister who a menber and before she enter ur house rabarabarobo but when it comes to deal she will be the one to start sujecting crook ways.at a time my husband don,t want to see her in my house anymore.many of them with broken unruly dominating people with the word of God.sometimes l wonder which spirit posses them when they act.l have alot of them as costumers whom l make their hair.them go shout on sunday them go see me life.now l see how some of their members here are reacting already in np l am not suprise.this vain teachings are made for the lukewarm christains not those who knows the God they serve.be warn time is running out.no more time for show or display of miracles.this is the time the wise virgins are storing up enough material for their lamp not to go off. Reply
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