![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 03:10 AM (14 years ago)  (m) WHY CANT NIGERIA BE A PLACE TO VISIT BY OTHER PILGRIMS . ITS HAPPENING ALREADY AND FOREIGN EXCHANGE EARNER FOR THE COUNTRY . IF THE GOVT CAN DIVERT THE FUNDS FOR SPONSORSHIP TO FOREIGN LANDS TO DEVELOPING OUR OWN LOCAL PILGRIM CENTRES . THAT WILL BE WELL WORTH IT .
Built by whom?
There are some big Nigerian big churches and miracle centres being visited from all over the world already even by heads of States
I was in southern Africa early last year and people asked me many questions about some men of God i have very little to share with them but they even taught me more about what is going on and how they have been making those visits . Actitivities are featured on national TVs of some countries i know of. Right now its people helping people and its very encouraging
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 13-03-2010 03:10 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 03:18 AM (14 years ago) (m) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 13-03-2010 03:18 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 13-03-2010 03:23 AM (14 years ago) (f) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. | Posted: at 13-03-2010 03:23 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 13-03-2010 03:25 AM (14 years ago) (f) WHY CANT NIGERIA BE A PLACE TO VISIT BY OTHER PILGRIMS . ITS HAPPENING ALREADY AND FOREIGN EXCHANGE EARNER FOR THE COUNTRY . IF THE GOVT CAN DIVERT THE FUNDS FOR SPONSORSHIP TO FOREIGN LANDS TO DEVELOPING OUR OWN LOCAL PILGRIM CENTRES . THAT WILL BE WELL WORTH IT .
Built by whom? There are some big Nigerian big churches and miracle centres being visited from all over the world already even by heads of States I was in southern Africa early last year and people asked me many questions about some men of God i have very little to share with them but they even taught me more about what is going on and how they have been making those visits . Actitivities are featured on national TVs of some countries i know of. Right now its people helping people and its very encouraging I then agree so long as the funds are not coming from the government to build religious centres. | Posted: at 13-03-2010 03:25 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "kenyawest") kenyawest at 13-03-2010 03:47 AM (14 years ago) (f) SO WHAT!!! Govt no govt, the Hajj will be attended as usual if not evn on a bigger scale. It is a calling from ALLAH (SWT) so muslims will sacrifice a great deal for such an important cause. I dont undrstnd why Xtians look for the slightest possible oppurtunity to throw cheap shots @ Islam. Its the fastest growing religion for a reason so say whateva but deal with it u must.
You will agree that this pilgrimage should not be sponsored by the national cake. It should be a community thing where the rich people in the community should donate a substantial sum of money for those less able to make the pilgrimage to be able to do so at least once in their life time. It used to be a journey made by the rich not sure why the government would get involved to sponsor others and yet, the poor without connection, has not been able to make that pilgrimage to date so it is well that this funding be abolished because those meant to benefit never did benefit, but the rich got richer and the poor got poorer and the funds were mismanaged. The government has made the right decision this time and we should commend them. God bless Nigeria. Oh i agree with you totally on this one.... Nigeria is a diverse country with many ethnic groups & religions so Federal govt. should stay out of issues of this sort. However.... state govts on the other hand hav the right to divert their funds according to the will of the people and the laws governing the country, so what happens in the muslim northern states is no-one elses business. Subsidy will come from the state & local govts. tht is without a doubt. The state funds also came from the Federal government. Funds received from the federal government should not be allocated from religious pilgrimages for any religion. This type of funding should only be covered via the religious organizations and not the funds coming from the federal government to the states. All government should actually keep out of funding religious pilgrimages. Sorry Kenyawest but u hv no stake or say in how states should divert their funds so well definitely do as we please with our money  (or sorry south south oil money given to us for the sake of federalism). Bonz, since when did you decide when I have a stake or not? | Posted: at 13-03-2010 03:47 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 05:34 AM (14 years ago) (m) WHY CANT NIGERIA BE A PLACE TO VISIT BY OTHER PILGRIMS . ITS HAPPENING ALREADY AND FOREIGN EXCHANGE EARNER FOR THE COUNTRY . IF THE GOVT CAN DIVERT THE FUNDS FOR SPONSORSHIP TO FOREIGN LANDS TO DEVELOPING OUR OWN LOCAL PILGRIM CENTRES . THAT WILL BE WELL WORTH IT .
Built by whom? There are some big Nigerian big churches and miracle centres being visited from all over the world already even by heads of States I was in southern Africa early last year and people asked me many questions about some men of God i have very little to share with them but they even taught me more about what is going on and how they have been making those visits . Actitivities are featured on national TVs of some countries i know of. Right now its people helping people and its very encouraging I then agree so long as the funds are not coming from the government to build religious centres. Hard earned currency spent to visit Nigeria will still go to the government coffers regardless unless am missing something
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 13-03-2010 05:34 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 13-03-2010 08:00 AM (14 years ago) (m) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. and do not forget that 65- 70 percent of nigeria populations were muslim , and muslims controls two-third or even more of nigerian states and every state has got every right on how best to utlise own share or allocations of the national budget with out any one poke nosing into the affairs, and tell me now spending the money in the way of GOD , or stacking it in ones personal domain as if the private residence or even the govt house is an annex of central bank of nigeria ,as the case of james ibori and so many southern governors , which one is more prefarable ?some of the goverbors are still having their cases pending in uk , its right time we stop chassing the shadows rather than an object | Posted: at 13-03-2010 08:00 AM (14 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "teeco") teeco at 13-03-2010 08:23 AM (14 years ago) (m) True
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![-]( "simele") simele at 13-03-2010 09:38 AM (14 years ago) (m) after the pilgrimage to saudi arabia went then come back to the country instead of doing the right thing the start fighting just like jos situation those muslem some went to saudi | Posted: at 13-03-2010 09:38 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 13-03-2010 10:04 AM (14 years ago) (f) WHY CANT NIGERIA BE A PLACE TO VISIT BY OTHER PILGRIMS . ITS HAPPENING ALREADY AND FOREIGN EXCHANGE EARNER FOR THE COUNTRY . IF THE GOVT CAN DIVERT THE FUNDS FOR SPONSORSHIP TO FOREIGN LANDS TO DEVELOPING OUR OWN LOCAL PILGRIM CENTRES . THAT WILL BE WELL WORTH IT .
Built by whom? There are some big Nigerian big churches and miracle centres being visited from all over the world already even by heads of States I was in southern Africa early last year and people asked me many questions about some men of God i have very little to share with them but they even taught me more about what is going on and how they have been making those visits . Actitivities are featured on national TVs of some countries i know of. Right now its people helping people and its very encouraging I then agree so long as the funds are not coming from the government to build religious centres. Hard earned currency spent to visit Nigeria will still go to the government coffers regardless unless am missing something I do not think that the hard currency spent to visit Nigeria by the tourists will be going to the government coffers because the religious centres will not be paid by the government so the beneficiaries will be the religious organizations that participated in setting up these centres. Tourism will bring money to the small entrepreneurs, hotels, etc. | Posted: at 13-03-2010 10:04 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 13-03-2010 10:14 AM (14 years ago) (f) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. and do not forget that 65- 70 percent of nigeria populations were muslim , and muslims controls two-third or even more of nigerian states and every state has got every right on how best to utlise own share or allocations of the national budget with out any one poke nosing into the affairs, and tell me now spending the money in the way of GOD , or stacking it in ones personal domain as if the private residence or even the govt house is an annex of central bank of nigeria ,as the case of james ibori and so many southern governors , which one is more prefarable ?some of the goverbors are still having their cases pending in uk , its right time we stop chassing the shadows rather than an object Two can play this game. We can either have a civilized conversation without the blame game or we can continue mudslinging. Your claim that 65 to 70 percent of the Nigerian populations are muslims, I state that the Fulanis have obviously committed genocide in Nigeria when they have eliminated so many christians because in the past census, the population of christians compared to muslims were 50/50 in Nigeria. The country cannot operate under religious sects but must operate as a secular society in order for things to work peacefully. There are too many other religions in Nigeria that are not being treated the same way. The Fulanis conquering the Hausas and keeping them into servitude for generations without giving them leadership authority or education needs to be looked at as well. The legitimacy of Fulanis in Nigeria needs to be addressed as well. The moslems cannot use the national budget as if it is their own central bank of Nigeria for them to use in the worship of their god. Your god should be able to supply all your needs and should not depend on that national cake. Allocating these funds to people that do not need it except for them to travel on religious pilgrimage while the rest of the nations are living in poverty needs complete over haul on how budget is allocated in the future. | Posted: at 13-03-2010 10:14 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "omatu") omatu at 13-03-2010 10:20 AM (14 years ago) (f) True
Teeco, you have left my life into servitude since you got me pregnant. No child support. Below is the way that you have left my life in the dust since you impregnated me. Not fair Teeco. Give me child support Teeco please. I will take you to the court of public opinion very soon. SEND MONEY NOW TEECO! | Posted: at 13-03-2010 10:20 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "teeco") teeco at 13-03-2010 10:40 AM (14 years ago) (m) True
Teeco, you have left my life into servitude since you got me pregnant. No child support. Below is the way that you have left my life in the dust since you impregnated me. Not fair Teeco. Give me child support Teeco please. I will take you to the court of public opinion very soon. SEND MONEY NOW TEECO!  k see me see wahala ehnnn 
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![-]( "BONZ") BONZ at 13-03-2010 10:42 AM (14 years ago) (m) SO WHAT!!! Govt no govt, the Hajj will be attended as usual if not evn on a bigger scale. It is a calling from ALLAH (SWT) so muslims will sacrifice a great deal for such an important cause. I dont undrstnd why Xtians look for the slightest possible oppurtunity to throw cheap shots @ Islam. Its the fastest growing religion for a reason so say whateva but deal with it u must.
You will agree that this pilgrimage should not be sponsored by the national cake. It should be a community thing where the rich people in the community should donate a substantial sum of money for those less able to make the pilgrimage to be able to do so at least once in their life time. It used to be a journey made by the rich not sure why the government would get involved to sponsor others and yet, the poor without connection, has not been able to make that pilgrimage to date so it is well that this funding be abolished because those meant to benefit never did benefit, but the rich got richer and the poor got poorer and the funds were mismanaged. The government has made the right decision this time and we should commend them. God bless Nigeria. Oh i agree with you totally on this one.... Nigeria is a diverse country with many ethnic groups & religions so Federal govt. should stay out of issues of this sort. However.... state govts on the other hand hav the right to divert their funds according to the will of the people and the laws governing the country, so what happens in the muslim northern states is no-one elses business. Subsidy will come from the state & local govts. tht is without a doubt. The state funds also came from the Federal government. Funds received from the federal government should not be allocated from religious pilgrimages for any religion. This type of funding should only be covered via the religious organizations and not the funds coming from the federal government to the states. All government should actually keep out of funding religious pilgrimages. Sorry Kenyawest but u hv no stake or say in how states should divert their funds so well definitely do as we please with our money (or sorry south south oil money given to us for the sake of federalism). Bonz, since when did you decide when I have a stake or not? Com on Kenyawest your stake is in 9ja & the state u hail from..... as far as kano & co are concerned OF COURSE U DONT!!!!
A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. | Posted: at 13-03-2010 10:42 AM (14 years ago) | Upcoming | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 12:31 PM (14 years ago) (m) SO WHAT!!! Govt no govt, the Hajj will be attended as usual if not evn on a bigger scale. It is a calling from ALLAH (SWT) so muslims will sacrifice a great deal for such an important cause. I dont undrstnd why Xtians look for the slightest possible oppurtunity to throw cheap shots @ Islam. Its the fastest growing religion for a reason so say whateva but deal with it u must.
You will agree that this pilgrimage should not be sponsored by the national cake. It should be a community thing where the rich people in the community should donate a substantial sum of money for those less able to make the pilgrimage to be able to do so at least once in their life time. It used to be a journey made by the rich not sure why the government would get involved to sponsor others and yet, the poor without connection, has not been able to make that pilgrimage to date so it is well that this funding be abolished because those meant to benefit never did benefit, but the rich got richer and the poor got poorer and the funds were mismanaged. The government has made the right decision this time and we should commend them. God bless Nigeria. Oh i agree with you totally on this one.... Nigeria is a diverse country with many ethnic groups & religions so Federal govt. should stay out of issues of this sort. However.... state govts on the other hand hav the right to divert their funds according to the will of the people and the laws governing the country, so what happens in the muslim northern states is no-one elses business. Subsidy will come from the state & local govts. tht is without a doubt. The state funds also came from the Federal government. Funds received from the federal government should not be allocated from religious pilgrimages for any religion. This type of funding should only be covered via the religious organizations and not the funds coming from the federal government to the states. All government should actually keep out of funding religious pilgrimages. Sorry Kenyawest but u hv no stake or say in how states should divert their funds so well definitely do as we please with our money ;D ;D ;D (or sorry south south oil money given to us for the sake of federalism). Bonz, since when did you decide when I have a stake or not? Com on Kenyawest your stake is in 9ja & the state u hail from..... as far as kano & co are concerned OF COURSE U DONT!!!!
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 13-03-2010 12:31 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 12:37 PM (14 years ago) (m) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. and do not forget that 65- 70 percent of nigeria populations were muslim , and muslims controls two-third or even more of nigerian states and every state has got every right on how best to utlise own share or allocations of the national budget with out any one poke nosing into the affairs, and tell me now spending the money in the way of GOD , or stacking it in ones personal domain as if the private residence or even the govt house is an annex of central bank of nigeria ,as the case of james ibori and so many southern governors , which one is more prefarable ?some of the goverbors are still having their cases pending in uk , its right time we stop chassing the shadows rather than an object Two can play this game. We can either have a civilized conversation without the blame game or we can continue mudslinging. Your claim that 65 to 70 percent of the Nigerian populations are muslims, I state that the Fulanis have obviously committed genocide in Nigeria when they have eliminated so many christians because in the past census, the population of christians compared to muslims were 50/50 in Nigeria. The country cannot operate under religious sects but must operate as a secular society in order for things to work peacefully. There are too many other religions in Nigeria that are not being treated the same way. The Fulanis conquering the Hausas and keeping them into servitude for generations without giving them leadership authority or education needs to be looked at as well. The legitimacy of Fulanis in Nigeria needs to be addressed as well. The moslems cannot use the national budget as if it is their own central bank of Nigeria for them to use in the worship of their god. Your god should be able to supply all your needs and should not depend on that national cake. Allocating these funds to people that do not need it except for them to travel on religious pilgrimage while the rest of the nations are living in poverty needs complete over haul on how budget is allocated in the future. Thank you . that was well analyzed and well reasoned out . IF FULANIS ARE NORMADIC MICRANTS WHY NOT GO BACK HOME TO THE DESERT IF CITY LIFE IS TOO HARD FOR THEM ??
" If its not for love - its for nothing " [/size] | Posted: at 13-03-2010 12:37 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 13-03-2010 12:43 PM (14 years ago) (m) after the pilgrimage to saudi arabia went then come back to the country instead of doing the right thing the start fighting just like jos situation those muslem some went to saudi
and what was the sense in that talk ? | Posted: at 13-03-2010 12:43 PM (14 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "ajanni") ajanni at 13-03-2010 01:29 PM (14 years ago) (m) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. and do not forget that 65- 70 percent of nigeria populations were muslim , and muslims controls two-third or even more of nigerian states and every state has got every right on how best to utlise own share or allocations of the national budget with out any one poke nosing into the affairs, and tell me now spending the money in the way of GOD , or stacking it in ones personal domain as if the private residence or even the govt house is an annex of central bank of nigeria ,as the case of james ibori and so many southern governors , which one is more prefarable ?some of the goverbors are still having their cases pending in uk , its right time we stop chassing the shadows rather than an object Two can play this game. We can either have a civilized conversation without the blame game or we can continue mudslinging. Your claim that 65 to 70 percent of the Nigerian populations are muslims, I state that the Fulanis have obviously committed genocide in Nigeria when they have eliminated so many christians because in the past census, the population of christians compared to muslims were 50/50 in Nigeria. The country cannot operate under religious sects but must operate as a secular society in order for things to work peacefully. There are too many other religions in Nigeria that are not being treated the same way. The Fulanis conquering the Hausas and keeping them into servitude for generations without giving them leadership authority or education needs to be looked at as well. The legitimacy of Fulanis in Nigeria needs to be addressed as well. The moslems cannot use the national budget as if it is their own central bank of Nigeria for them to use in the worship of their god. Your god should be able to supply all your needs and should not depend on that national cake. Allocating these funds to people that do not need it except for them to travel on religious pilgrimage while the rest of the nations are living in poverty needs complete over haul on how budget is allocated in the future. we muslim dosen,t worship god , but we worship GOD , so you should know the difference between the god you worship and the GOD we worship , yes the GOD whom we worship do provide and sustained us , its due to HIS merciful and out of HIS kindness that we derives oil and the all others amenities , or is it you or me that put those things there in our capacity ? your claimed of 50\50 in the past census you said conducted in nigeria is not only very funny but very very laughable and certainly thats not the outcome of any census in nigeria , it has never been so and it won,t be. and apart of the fed, govt , each state of the federation is at liberty as to how best their allocations could be spen, its no body,s business, and no jupitals can change that , and why all these so much noises ? no any state of the federation spends even upto 5 percent of their budget and so whats a big deals in that ?the money that james ibori himself alone stacks in his cuboards or strong room alone is enough to finance the whole country on the pilgrimage for more than twenty yeaqrs consecutively . so who is fulling whom ? i beg sidon for one corner ofr your room dey look omatsu | Posted: at 13-03-2010 01:29 PM (14 years ago) | Grande Master | |
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![-]( "spekay") spekay at 13-03-2010 01:37 PM (14 years ago) (m) i will disagree with you totally . that hajj is not and never cab be a journey under taking by rich peoples , hajj is never like going to jerusalem , is not like going to the amusements park , and is not like a jambores ,its ordaine by ALLAH himself , commanding the faithful to embark on the journey of faith , GOD said in the holy book al-quraan chapter 22 verse 27 which happen to the chapter of hajj itself ----- and proclaim to mankind the hajj ( pilgrimage) they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distance (wide) mountain highway to perform hajj , that they may witnessthings that are of benefit to them ,i e reward of hajj in the hereafter , and also some worldly gain from trade , and mention the name of ALLAH on the apointed days i,e 10,11,12,and 13 days of duhl-hijjah
its a welcome ideal if the fed govt stop the sponsoring , i for one did not see any thing bad in that and its a welcome idea and hajj had been a continues yearly events ever before nigeria came to be as a country , much more older than the age of our country as a nation to talk less of any govt in power , and no one i repeat no any govt be what so ever it may can stop its continuety
If the moslems want all moslems to do the hajj, then they should look for alternative funding methods, but definitely not states funds. We need to learn to separate religion from the government because there too many ethnic groups in Nigeria and too many religions. You cannot fund one group and not fund the other so the decision not to fund any is a better way to go. EXACTLY ! YOU ARE VERY RIGHT . NIGERIA BEING A SECULAR STATE . THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FAVOURING ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER - YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL - AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS . WHEN U LOOK FURTHER YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIP IS WHERE VOTE RIGGING BEGINS IN "IF U SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS IN RETURN " ITS THE REASON WHY INEPT GOVTS CONTINUE ON AND ON BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGGING THEIR WAY INTO THE PEOPLES HEARTS . - THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE IGNORANCE AND GULLIBILITY OF THE AVERAGE VOTER. . THEY EXPLOIT THEIR STATE OF POVERTY TO BLINDFOLD THEM AND EXPLOIT THEM EVEN MORE I do agree with your assessment on this topic. Thank you very much because honestly both agree. and do not forget that 65- 70 percent of nigeria populations were muslim , and muslims controls two-third or even more of nigerian states and every state has got every right on how best to utlise own share or allocations of the national budget with out any one poke nosing into the affairs, and tell me now spending the money in the way of GOD , or stacking it in ones personal domain as if the private residence or even the govt house is an annex of central bank of nigeria ,as the case of james ibori and so many southern governors , which one is more prefarable ?some of the goverbors are still having their cases pending in uk , its right time we stop chassing the shadows rather than an object Two can play this game. We can either have a civilized conversation without the blame game or we can continue mudslinging. Your claim that 65 to 70 percent of the Nigerian populations are muslims, I state that the Fulanis have obviously committed genocide in Nigeria when they have eliminated so many christians because in the past census, the population of christians compared to muslims were 50/50 in Nigeria. The country cannot operate under religious sects but must operate as a secular society in order for things to work peacefully. There are too many other religions in Nigeria that are not being treated the same way. The Fulanis conquering the Hausas and keeping them into servitude for generations without giving them leadership authority or education needs to be looked at as well. The legitimacy of Fulanis in Nigeria needs to be addressed as well. The moslems cannot use the national budget as if it is their own central bank of Nigeria for them to use in the worship of their god. Your god should be able to supply all your needs and should not depend on that national cake. Allocating these funds to people that do not need it except for them to travel on religious pilgrimage while the rest of the nations are living in poverty needs complete over haul on how budget is allocated in the future. we muslim dosen,t worship god , but we worship GOD , so you should know the difference between the god you worship and the GOD we worship , yes the GOD whom we worship do provide and sustained us , its due to HIS merciful and out of HIS kindness that we derives oil and the all others amenities , or is it you or me that put those things there in our capacity ? your claimed of 50\50 in the past census you said conducted in nigeria is not only very funny but very very laughable and certainly thats not the outcome of any census in nigeria , it has never been so and it won,t be. and apart of the fed, govt , each state of the federation is at liberty as to how best their allocations could be spen, its no body,s business, and no jupitals can change that , and why all these so much noises ? no any state of the federation spends even upto 5 percent of their budget and so whats a big deals in that ?the money that james ibori himself alone stacks in his cuboards or strong room alone is enough to finance the whole country on the pilgrimage for more than twenty yeaqrs consecutively . so who is fulling whom ? i beg sidon for one corner ofr your room dey look omatsu HOW CAN WE EVER GET TO CORRECT ANOMALIES IN THE SYSTEM THIS WAY. THE SYSTEM IS FAULTY. WE NEED TO BRAINSTORM THE LOOPHOLES TRY AND FIX IT
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