blessedchidon at 14-11-2008 07:44 AM (16 years ago) (m)
Quote from: belhushe on 10-11-2008 06:31 AM
I stand to be corrected by religious people in this house....
i think d essence of religion is to kill human being.....either by JIHAD or SUICIDE BOMBING
if u think otherwise...help me understand why a person will kill his/her fellow human beings in a crowded bus and be shouting 'God is great!!'.....
are they mocking GOD?? or Are they praising Him...?
Hellow man it may suprise to hear this 4rm me, it's only in religious gruops {names withheld} that u see fightings and killings as u said, but Christianity is not a religion Christianity is Life and Spirit
Posted: at 14-11-2008 07:44 AM (16 years ago) | Gistmaniac
abdul247 at 14-11-2008 12:51 PM (16 years ago) (m)
Assalamu'alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu! Religion (Islam) is a way of life which teaches human the path to eternal salvation and glory both in this life and the next. This is achieved by the prophets: Noah; Moses; Jesus; Muhammad (PBUT) just to mention a few, which our lord Allah (SWT) sent to us to warn us not to incur Allah's (SWT) wrath by going against His laws and to give us glad tidings of paradise if we obey Allah (SWT).
Posted: at 14-11-2008 12:51 PM (16 years ago) | Newbie
I stand to be corrected by religious people in this house....
i think d essence of religion is to kill human being.....either by JIHAD or SUICIDE BOMBING
if u think otherwise...help me understand why a person will kill his/her fellow human beings in a crowded bus and be shouting 'God is great!!'.....
are they mocking GOD?? or Are they praising Him...?
In as much as I agree with U,I am still very much curious why U decided to talk about just one & leave the other(s) out.Are U claiming not to know about the Crusades( 'Christian' 'Holy' wars)?
Religion is an irrelevant distraction to mankind.Religion has done far far much evil than good(if any).Religion is covet slavery.
Posted: at 15-11-2008 12:48 AM (16 years ago) | Upcoming
ayorbamy at 25-11-2008 01:11 PM (16 years ago) (m)
I am usin' this medium to congratulate Pop Star musician, Michael Jackson, who formally announced his acceptance of Islam as his way of life henceforth on Friday 20th November, 2008. He had chosen the 'Mikaeel' for himself as against 'Mustapha' he was given.He formally accepted Islam in Los Angeles last Friday. (The Sun, UK)
Riches...Yes! I Can
Posted: at 25-11-2008 01:11 PM (16 years ago) | Gistmaniac
blessedchidon at 26-11-2008 06:01 AM (16 years ago) (m)
Quote from: ayorbamy on 25-11-2008 01:11 PM
I am usin' this medium to congratulate Pop Star musician, Michael Jackson, who formally announced his acceptance of Islam as his way of life henceforth on Friday 20th November, 2008. He had chosen the 'Mikaeel' for himself as against 'Mustapha' he was given.He formally accepted Islam in Los Angeles last Friday. (The Sun, UK)
don't spoil pple's mind ok. check the topic b4 u know what 2drop
Posted: at 26-11-2008 06:01 AM (16 years ago) | Gistmaniac
desmondakin at 28-11-2008 06:55 PM (16 years ago) (m)
i don't give a damn about religion......well to answer ur question......it's of no use, let statistics and history inform u , the poorer a nation is the closer they r to 'god'.........in those days men did not understand how things worked around them and they made up 'god' but now we know how things work, so why r we still dwelling on it?.........pls don't be offended if u were brought up to believe 'his' existence, this is just my humble view.
Posted: at 28-11-2008 06:55 PM (16 years ago) | Newbie
Religion to my understanding is the Culture of people’s beliefs. Culture is the general accepted Values and norms of group of people, society or country. The fundamental blocks of culture are values and norms. Values are abstract ideas about what a society believes to be good, right and desirable. Values affect everything, political and economy systems as well as culture. Values include attitudes towards concepts like freedom, honesty, loyalty, justice, responsibility and personal relations including marriage. Values shape individual behaviour by identifying appropriate and inappropriate forms of human interactions. While Norms are social rules and guidelines that prescribe appropriate behaviours in particular situations. Norm shapes the action of people towards one another. Religion as per what I can deduce from above explanations is just like cultural value. The general accepted principle of people’s beliefs as per nature, existence of humans, divine and how to worship God is religion. For instance almost if not all religions teaches the rich to protect or help the poor and also for the strong to protect the weak and so also all other general accepted appropriate behaviours in every society. People’s beliefs renew their minds towards a particular direction and mostly to God and good behaviours in the society; it teaches them to conform to the rules, regulations and expectations of their faith. It give them hope, peace and expectation of eternal life or after life as a believer and eternal condemnation to hell as non believer. The all of the above, are the reasons why we have religion. It has been hijacked though for selfish individual or group ambitions and goals. People are brainwashed and mislead by using the power of their beliefs to set them against each other. We cannot say one religion is guilty and the other is not. All religion is now keg of gunpowder or let me say nuclear bombs ready to be detonated. The power of religion both in the olden days and even now has shown that people’s beliefs are their existence. Through religion believers seek answers to creation so also through science the scientist or mostly non believers seek answers to evolution. Some of us believe that evolution is just the scientific finding of God’s creation but in whatever form we may elucidate it, religion is a very volatile and delicate property of our world.
Posted: at 5-12-2008 01:54 AM (16 years ago) | Newbie
aduramidayo at 9-12-2008 09:04 AM (16 years ago) (m)
what is religion why trouble yourself on this issue.see Christianity is not a religion is way of life.is a Christ like life.we are not practicing religion we work on faith and believe.that is why we believe there is hope 4 us in Christ Jesus.when u ave a Christ like behavior u are a christian.Religion is just like polities but we are peace makers and not pretender.leave all to God cos is only God that knows he who worship him in faith, spirit and truth.
Posted: at 9-12-2008 09:04 AM (16 years ago) | Newbie
sanmight at 10-12-2008 12:26 AM (16 years ago) (m)
Quote from: aduramidayo on 9-12-2008 09:04 AM
what is religion why trouble yourself on this issue.see Christianity is not a religion is way of life.is a Christ like life.we are not practicing religion we work on faith and believe.that is why we believe there is hope 4 us in Christ Jesus.when u ave a Christ like behavior u are a christian.Religion is just like polities but we are peace makers and not pretender.leave all to God cos is only God that knows he who worship him in faith, spirit and truth.
Please let us look at the meaning of religion in the dictionary, it means, faith, believe, creed, or conviction. Unless you have another definition that state otherwise, then Christianity is a religion. When you ‘walk on faith and believe’ as you have said, you are religious. Making your faith and believe a way of life is also part of being religious and in the process you might start telling, advising or encouraging others to embrace it as a way of life. Religions like Judaism, Islam and Buddhism etc also have their faith or believe. It is left for them to make it a way of life and extend it to others also.
Before we make comment on Islam or Christianity, we should go back to history how Kings and religious warlords have used these two religions to achieve their objectives. Let us look at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd crusade (Christian holy war they say), how the Christian warlords almost wipe out Islam in the Roman Empire. Jihad (also Muslim holy war they called it) how the Muslim wage war against Christian, Can you believe how many Christian soldiers that follow king Richard (The Lion Heart) to Jerusalem from Europe to wage war against Saladin who as at that time have captured Jerusalem by killing the Christians in that area. They fought the stronghold of Saladin to secure Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem. These people in both sides are fighting because of their faith or believe, not because they love Saladin, King Richard or any of the warlords. By Justifying your own religion over others is one of the reasons why we have this carnage. Do not underestimate the power of faith or believe. Every man with faith or believe will die for it cause and that is the power the politicians and rulers are using. It has worked before and it is still working now.
Then you said why do we trouble ourselves? Well, we trouble ourselves because our people are perishing because of lack of knowledge. Many of our people are still living in Stone Age; in the western world or developed countries they have grown to learn that no one can push them to go and die because of any selfish cause and yet they have all religions ( be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism) within their societies.
Religion is a menace to our society today especially Africa and Middle East because most of us lack of knowledge and the few knowledgeable among us are using it for their own gain and destruction of others. If only those involve can comprehend the secret behind what they were encouraged to do in the name of God.
Posted: at 10-12-2008 12:26 AM (16 years ago) | Newbie
aduramidayo at 10-12-2008 09:54 PM (16 years ago) (m)
Quote from: sanmight on 10-12-2008 12:26 AM
Quote from: aduramidayo on 9-12-2008 09:04 AM
what is religion why trouble yourself on this issue.see Christianity is not a religion is way of life.is a Christ like life.we are not practicing religion we work on faith and believe.that is why we believe there is hope 4 us in Christ Jesus.when u ave a Christ like behavior u are a christian.Religion is just like polities but we are peace makers and not pretender.leave all to God cos is only God that knows he who worship him in faith, spirit and truth.
Please let us look at the meaning of religion in the dictionary, it means, faith, believe, creed, or conviction. Unless you have another definition that state otherwise, then Christianity is a religion. When you ‘walk on faith and believe’ as you have said, you are religious. Making your faith and believe a way of life is also part of being religious and in the process you might start telling, advising or encouraging others to embrace it as a way of life. Religions like Judaism, Islam and Buddhism etc also have their faith or believe. It is left for them to make it a way of life and extend it to others also.
Before we make comment on Islam or Christianity, we should go back to history how Kings and religious warlords have used these two religions to achieve their objectives. Let us look at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd crusade (Christian holy war they say), how the Christian warlords almost wipe out Islam in the Roman Empire. Jihad (also Muslim holy war they called it) how the Muslim wage war against Christian, Can you believe how many Christian soldiers that follow king Richard (The Lion Heart) to Jerusalem from Europe to wage war against Saladin who as at that time have captured Jerusalem by killing the Christians in that area. They fought the stronghold of Saladin to secure Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem. These people in both sides are fighting because of their faith or believe, not because they love Saladin, King Richard or any of the warlords. By Justifying your own religion over others is one of the reasons why we have this carnage. Do not underestimate the power of faith or believe. Every man with faith or believe will die for it cause and that is the power the politicians and rulers are using. It has worked before and it is still working now.
Then you said why do we trouble ourselves? Well, we trouble ourselves because our people are perishing because of lack of knowledge. Many of our people are still living in Stone Age; in the western world or developed countries they have grown to learn that no one can push them to go and die because of any selfish cause and yet they have all religions ( be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism) within their societies.
Religion is a menace to our society today especially Africa and Middle East because most of us lack of knowledge and the few knowledgeable among us are using it for their own gain and destruction of others. If only those involve can comprehend the secret behind what they were encouraged to do in the name of God.
where are we first called christian and why.read ur bible and meditate on it.u need to start reading the bible with the help of the holy spirit to get good interpretation.i dont argue but i sat the truth and i leave the rest to God to handle.religion is just 4 ur identification 4 pple to know the group u are that is why it is all called religion.
Posted: at 10-12-2008 09:54 PM (16 years ago) | Newbie
sanmight at 10-12-2008 11:49 PM (16 years ago) (m)
Quote from: aduramidayo on 10-12-2008 09:54 PM
Quote from: sanmight on 10-12-2008 12:26 AM
Quote from: aduramidayo on 9-12-2008 09:04 AM
what is religion why trouble yourself on this issue.see Christianity is not a religion is way of life.is a Christ like life.we are not practicing religion we work on faith and believe.that is why we believe there is hope 4 us in Christ Jesus.when u ave a Christ like behavior u are a christian.Religion is just like polities but we are peace makers and not pretender.leave all to God cos is only God that knows he who worship him in faith, spirit and truth.
Please let us look at the meaning of religion in the dictionary, it means, faith, believe, creed, or conviction. Unless you have another definition that state otherwise, then Christianity is a religion. When you ‘walk on faith and believe’ as you have said, you are religious. Making your faith and believe a way of life is also part of being religious and in the process you might start telling, advising or encouraging others to embrace it as a way of life. Religions like Judaism, Islam and Buddhism etc also have their faith or believe. It is left for them to make it a way of life and extend it to others also.
Before we make comment on Islam or Christianity, we should go back to history how Kings and religious warlords have used these two religions to achieve their objectives. Let us look at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd crusade (Christian holy war they say), how the Christian warlords almost wipe out Islam in the Roman Empire. Jihad (also Muslim holy war they called it) how the Muslim wage war against Christian, Can you believe how many Christian soldiers that follow king Richard (The Lion Heart) to Jerusalem from Europe to wage war against Saladin who as at that time have captured Jerusalem by killing the Christians in that area. They fought the stronghold of Saladin to secure Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem. These people in both sides are fighting because of their faith or believe, not because they love Saladin, King Richard or any of the warlords. By Justifying your own religion over others is one of the reasons why we have this carnage. Do not underestimate the power of faith or believe. Every man with faith or believe will die for it cause and that is the power the politicians and rulers are using. It has worked before and it is still working now.
Then you said why do we trouble ourselves? Well, we trouble ourselves because our people are perishing because of lack of knowledge. Many of our people are still living in Stone Age; in the western world or developed countries they have grown to learn that no one can push them to go and die because of any selfish cause and yet they have all religions ( be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism) within their societies.
Religion is a menace to our society today especially Africa and Middle East because most of us lack of knowledge and the few knowledgeable among us are using it for their own gain and destruction of others. If only those involve can comprehend the secret behind what they were encouraged to do in the name of God.
where are we first called christian and why.read ur bible and meditate on it.u need to start reading the bible with the help of the holy spirit to get good interpretation.i dont argue but i sat the truth and i leave the rest to God to handle.religion is just 4 ur identification 4 pple to know the group u are that is why it is all called religion.
I do not doubt your exceptional knowledge of the bible and the Holy Spirit interpretation to you and neither do I want to argue any personal issues with you. We do not want to dwell on any self righteousness here. We do not want the senseless killing that has just happened anymore in our country and we are looking at how we can re-orientate our people not to be used by the perpetrators. Therefore, Personalising and justifying your own believe is not likely to help the situation.
Posted: at 10-12-2008 11:49 PM (16 years ago) | Newbie
democrazy at 11-12-2008 07:12 PM (16 years ago) (m)
I have read and understood the commonaity in most of the views here. the underlining fact is ht religion is a educative system, which is designed to bring a certain knowledge to humans to guide them in their decision making as time passes by.
This can be same as describing a school. All preach goal of success for the human.
Now the differences i see is the fact that humans now belief in the educator or educational system as opposed to the creator of the human.
Remember a creator can change his system and transcend it or improve it. if you are nly in understanding of that creation, you will be lost when things change.
Posted: at 11-12-2008 07:12 PM (16 years ago) | Gistmaniac
As said by philosophers...religion is the opiom of the people,but to me, to what ever religion one belong, World peace should not be compromised with religious affiliation hence we are heading for a world religious crisis,i feel so because i was a victim of the jos crisis of 28112008.I have decided to be a naturalist,a philosopher,because nature gives birth to live and still sustain live
Posted: at 25-12-2008 11:20 AM (16 years ago) | Newbie
To different religious faithfuls religion differ in meaning and importance,but to me nature supercedes all forms of religion,nature is life,nature is unity, nature is the begining and is dynamic we are sustained by nature,we have nature in us so the importance of nature can not be over emphasized.
Posted: at 25-12-2008 11:34 AM (16 years ago) | Newbie
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