The existence of the Christian God have been confirmed again (Page 8)

Date: 28-06-2011 9:16 pm (12 years ago) | Author: osmond eze
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- PreciousA at 28-08-2011 09:50 AM (12 years ago)
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Hello
I've been following this thread for sometime.
Hosbert wrote something a little while back which struck me.
I've waited for other posters in the thread to address the subject, but no one has so far.

Quote from: hosbert on 21-07-2011 09:05 PM
...Any way,that is another kettle of fish.Be that as it may,christianity is never forced on anybody and an body who does is doing so for his selfish ends.
God bless you...

Can parents oblige their children to go to church?
Can a husband oblige a wife to go to church?

I'd be interested in knowing what the poster thinks about those situations.
Do they constitute force?
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- chik001 at 28-08-2011 06:17 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 28-08-2011 05:55 AM
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 20-08-2011 03:39 PM
Harakiri. Tuesday (Tiw or Tyr's Day), Wednesday (Woden or Odin's Day), Thursday (Thor's Day), Friday (Frey or Freyja's Day) - those are not named for Egyptian or Greek deities, but Norse gods and goddesses. I think you have the days of the week mixed up with the planets of the solar system.

Without the Bible, Christianity has nothing much - just as Islam, without the Koran, has effectively nothing (just to balance things out).
...yeah ...yeah...
...just as without a foto of a short hair blond and a profile name CammyWhite...you are nothing...
...co's thats all and as far ALL can see...

You're comparing me to the Bible and the Koran? I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted.
...neither sis...
...that comment only implies that...thous far you can see...
...there is much more to Christainity to that you can see...
...unfortunately...
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- CammyWhite at 29-08-2011 01:01 AM (12 years ago)
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Christianity, and Islam, are really only the sum of their teachings, as spelled out in the Bible and the Koran. Take those away and you have the man-made tyrannies of Popes and Imams.
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- hosbert at 5-09-2011 02:27 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: andustin on 26-08-2011 06:56 PM
Mr Harakiri or Kirihara I think you sounded touchy. Considering the fact that all the writtings so far wasn't what you'd anticipated. The truth is that if you ever think that anyone will by anyway convince you by teling you that he or she saw God in anywhere, anyhow, me think that thou will not be convince because you  yourself see it not. You wrote that you opted out of christian some time ago and even conquer pastors with questions from the bible itself. Well I dey clap for you, cudos brother. but I tell you something that christianity is not an heritage like knowledge is not inheritable. As a matter of fact years ago I was just like you, I wonder why the crazy stuff about God a God I never see neither my parent nor my friends I wonder if there's truly God why are some poor and some rich. why is life fair to some, why do some people have what they want easily. Even I wept  in the church one certain sunday and I promise not to ever be a christian again. Everyone who know know something was going on with me. I will sit and think If God has ever talk to mankind why did he stop now. I wonder which was right of all religion. I couldn't choose a stand. And somehow I felt special and different. but how can I stay that way. I later realize that a true christian is not that he that wonder if his God is around but is he who believes that his God is around and wherever he is even though he waited all his life. A christian is like a child who is been told sent on an errand and even though on the way the going becomes rough, tough and even hell. He never back off he keeps going, even at the promised destination his God is absent he believes he is around even till the point of death he knows he is not alone. Is either you believe and that is just believe or go down with you doubts, but always remeneber that death is a sre thing.

Listen up Kiddo,

(1) First, for someone who says i'm "touchy" you definitely fit the profile of a touchy one by deliberately making a mockery of my profile name (that speaks of so much "maturity" on your part).

(2)Second, the only way you became a Christian is because the slave traders who enslaved your forefathers imposed their religion as a means of mind control. Christian and Islamic slave traders of yester-years have a typical modus operandi which is : INVADE,CONQUER,PLUNDER and SHATTER whatever faith the enemy has in whatever religion and replace it with theirs. The funny thing is, it worked else you wouldn't be here claiming to know what you evidently have zero knowledge of except what you were brainwashed with from your milk sucking days!

(3)Third, you were NEVER ANYTHING LIKE ME coz we are not on the same pedestal whether it be religious knowledge,research,age or enlightenment (from your post, you aren't very bright). I am in my thirties and i have been questioning so many anomalies in religion for the past 17 years! ! ! How old are you to have the guts to tell me "you were once like me"? I started questioning the bible between the tender age of 13yrs-14yrs. Back then, i wondered how Cain managed to marry a wife from another clan when the bible cleared depicted only three people remaining in the garden of Eden (after the murder of Abel). I wondered how one man named Enoch managed to go round the world on foot gathering EVERY SPECIE of life and managed to carry it all back and put in an arc (totally impossible to any one who uses his common sense when it comes to religion). I wondered why they say the christian god is "loving,merciful and kind" and yet, he has condemned his own creation to eternal damnation all because of another creation of his (the devil). I wondered why they refer to him being the all knowing god and yet, he didn't know his creation would fall. I wondered why he had to send his son to be killed so that the world could be saved whereas all he had to do was snap his fingers and everything would return to normal. These are a few of the questions that ran through my mind many years ago as a teenager and i went as far as putting the questions to the bible class leaders and pastors and guess what happened? THEY ALL REBUKED ME and one of them went as far as telling my mom that i was possessed and "needed prayers". Imagine that. I kept my questions to myself, got active in church to the extent i became a bible class leader myself. In my mid-twenties, i started asking questions again, researching the bible and other manuscripts. I got the same cold shoulders. I then went on a sabbatical of deep study and to cut the story short, i reached a stage where i knew it was all falsehood and i am yet to see anyone that can prove otherwise except provide derailing sentiments and baseless arguments (like you and others are doing now).

You know nothing about Christianity or how it came to being. You don't even know how your bible was compiled and yet, you are here talking crap!


My friend when would you snap out of your hallucination and be reasonable.Jumping into such conclusion that another is not bright is to say the least,the height of self gratification and glorification.The mere fact that someone cannot communicate effectively in the English Language is not enough reason to label him 'not bright'.Has it not occurred to you that there could be other areas or field of knowledge where the man with your toga of 'not bright' is an expert and you may not know anything about it?

I do not want to argue any further with you on religion because it is of no use but I will not fail to ask you to desist from attacking christianity the way you have been doing so far.Opting out of christianity was your choice,so why not allow others make and stick to their choices.I pray that My Lord Jesus Christ would open your eyes of understanding that you might know the truth.
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- Jackco at 11-09-2011 06:42 AM (12 years ago)
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- hosbert at 29-09-2011 04:25 PM (12 years ago)
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We might be at liberty to say whatever we want but I'd like to draw our attention to this truth from the scripture in 1 John 2:18-28

¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 

1Jo 2:19   They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 


 1Jo 2:20   But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 


 1Jo 2:21   I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 


 1Jo 2:22   Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 


 1Jo 2:23   Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. 


 1Jo 2:24 ¶ Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 


 1Jo 2:25   And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life. 


 1Jo 2:26   These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 


 1Jo 2:27   But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 


 1Jo 2:28 ¶ And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

We have choices to make.God bless you.
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- CammyWhite at 30-09-2011 11:54 AM (12 years ago)
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I don't see truth; rather I see Christian dogma.
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- hosbert at 30-09-2011 03:42 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on 30-09-2011 11:54 AM
I don't see truth; rather I see Christian dogma.

There is no dogma in the scriptures except when it comes to religious doctrines because several doctrines have been made out of it.The scripture I quoted in the last post is not any thing near dogma.
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- CammyWhite at 1-10-2011 11:30 AM (12 years ago)
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Wikipedia: "Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, or by extension by some other group or organization. It is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted, or diverged from, by the practitioners or believers".

Dictionary.com: dog·ma�
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- hosbert at 2-10-2011 08:54 PM (12 years ago)
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I 'll repeat here as I have always said that christianity is not a religion.Even though people try to reduce it to that level to pave way for comparing it with the religions in the world.Christianity is not just about belief,there is much more to it that the world would never know until the epignosis of God comes to them such that the world depend less on gnosis.The scripture is not a dogma.
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- CammyWhite at 3-10-2011 02:32 AM (12 years ago)
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And I'll repeat the fairly obvious fact that Christianity IS a religion by any definition.
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- democrazy at 3-10-2011 04:08 AM (12 years ago)
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My question to hosbert is this.

What religion are you? hopefully you are not an atheist.
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- hosbert at 3-10-2011 07:04 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on  3-10-2011 02:32 AM
And I'll repeat the fairly obvious fact that Christianity IS a religion by any definition.

You have chosen your religion and happy about it.I do not begrudge you beecause of your religious attachment.The point is why have you refused to accept my position about christianity? There is certainly something about christianity that makes religion and religious people uncomfortable.The definition of religion is given by man and as such it is but 'experience knowledge' (gnosis).At least nobody can say the books and ideas upon which most arguments are based came from God Himself but products of man's learning and experirnces.I do not need anyone affirming what I know and say to be sure of what I know.The truth is that you may never comprehend the christian God,His ways and workings until you are fully yielded to Him.
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- hosbert at 3-10-2011 07:14 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on  3-10-2011 04:08 AM
My question to hosbert is this.

What religion are you? hopefully you are not an atheist.
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John 16:32 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Religion or being a religious person cannot please God but true worship in spirit and in truth.I have never shown myself as a religion advocate or as an atheist.God bless you.
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- CammyWhite at 3-10-2011 07:51 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: hosbert on  3-10-2011 07:04 AM
Quote from: CammyWhite on  3-10-2011 02:32 AM
And I'll repeat the fairly obvious fact that Christianity IS a religion by any definition.

You have chosen your religion and happy about it.I do not begrudge you beecause of your religious attachment.The point is why have you refused to accept my position about christianity? There is certainly something about christianity that makes religion and religious people uncomfortable.The definition of religion is given by man and as such it is but 'experience knowledge' (gnosis).At least nobody can say the books and ideas upon which most arguments are based came from God Himself but products of man's learning and experirnces.I do not need anyone affirming what I know and say to be sure of what I know.The truth is that you may never comprehend the christian God,His ways and workings until you are fully yielded to Him.

I'm not uncomfortable about Christianity. It's one of the many religions on Earth.

What's different about Christianity from the inside?
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- hosbert at 4-10-2011 09:50 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on  3-10-2011 07:51 AM
Quote from: hosbert on  3-10-2011 07:04 AM
Quote from: CammyWhite on  3-10-2011 02:32 AM
And I'll repeat the fairly obvious fact that Christianity IS a religion by any definition.

You have chosen your religion and happy about it.I do not begrudge you beecause of your religious attachment.The point is why have you refused to accept my position about christianity? There is certainly something about christianity that makes religion and religious people uncomfortable.The definition of religion is given by man and as such it is but 'experience knowledge' (gnosis).At least nobody can say the books and ideas upon which most arguments are based came from God Himself but products of man's learning and experirnces.I do not need anyone affirming what I know and say to be sure of what I know.The truth is that you may never comprehend the christian God,His ways and workings until you are fully yielded to Him.

I'm not uncomfortable about Christianity. It's one of the many religions on Earth.

What's different about Christianity from the inside?

It is living,manifesting,radiating and pulsating the Godkind of life on earth (2 Peter 1:2 According as his divine power has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who has called us to glory and virtue).It is far beyond doctrine,religious rites and long held belief.Christianity is about reconciliation of man to God which brings about the restoration of man to the original state at creation (Genesis 1:27)(2 Corinthians 5:15-19
 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth alive unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

 16 aWherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Reconciliation and restoration entail transformation by the word of God and the recreation of the human spirit which inturn helps you to know the will of God (Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God).
This is christianity,Godkind.

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- CammyWhite at 5-10-2011 01:08 PM (12 years ago)
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All that makes Christianity just another religion.
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- hosbert at 5-10-2011 08:22 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: CammyWhite on  5-10-2011 01:08 PM
All that makes Christianity just another religion.

Not at all
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- CammyWhite at 6-10-2011 09:11 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: hosbert on  5-10-2011 08:22 PM
Quote from: CammyWhite on  5-10-2011 01:08 PM
All that makes Christianity just another religion.

Not at all

Sorry, but it is.
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- MegaOneplusone at 6-10-2011 09:14 PM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 29-06-2011 12:11 AM
@harold634

If you insist please share your information.

@CammyWhite
I will agree with your staement as it's quite a general understanding. BUT dont you think something sucks somewhere..........I mean, what is the meaning of faith?
The 2 most common definitions are
1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Now the topic says......"THE EXISTENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN GOD NEEDS NO FURTHER PROOF."

There was no proof in the first place....

Its still a matter of faith.

If you take the 1st definition, you will realise sometimes people get things wrong. Yet we can see clearly the parties involved and can develop real learning from the experience. Like I'll never have faith in you again cos you let me down...........Even a second time of asking, the subject can still fail and the faith entrusted in the subject misplaced. We are all humans and we see and feel these physical experience together. So if we have faith in our leaders and the faith is misplaced. We suffer, learn, and make amends.

With the second more popular definition, we can not learn or make changes especially if you give more thought to the word "apprehension".

You will notice that religion preaches things that it can not proof nor show you. I have harold634 up there trying to make me do something that will proof GOD's existence. None has ever seen GOD, none will see GOD till they die. The only hope given among the millions of fear and purnishment is that of the after life. Which also has to be accepted by faith.

The word faith, then needs to be redifined, in that the 1st definition can change, but the second is forever rigid. So I will say Faith is the ability to blindly belief whatever has been written by man but claimed to be of GOD.

Here again, we have man writing things he can not proof. Yet wants others to believe in it without the chance to change..........i.e, I want all christians who are not fake, but believe that the GOD they serve, and Jesus christ his son, will erradicate cancer before we wake up tomorrow so that we on Naijapals will forever know that he his alive and true and the number of lives saved will forever be greatful cos i will let the world know how it happened.



You are totally making sense.......I have nothing to add though. i believe in God anyways
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