Proof that Christian God exists

Date: 03-12-2011 7:58 pm (13 years ago) | Author: All the Audible
- at 3-12-2011 07:58 PM (13 years ago)
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Step One: Laws of Logic
In the introduction page I mentioned 'logical proof.' The first step

towards the proof that God exists is to determine whether you

actually believe that laws of logic exist. Logical proof would be

irrelevant to someone who denies that laws of logic exist. An

example of a law of logic is the law of non-contradiction. This law

states, for instance, that it cannot both be true that my car is in

the parking lot and that it is not in the parking lot at the same

time, and in the same way.

Wat do you believe? Law of Logic Exists then lets go to law the next

step:

Step Two: Laws of Mathematics
The basic operations of arithmetic are addition, subtraction,

multiplication, and division. Laws of mathematics then, are

basically descriptions of what happens within these operations (and

more complex ones as well) . For example, with the law of addition

we know that if you take 4 things and add them to 3 things, you end

up with 7 things.

What do you believe? Law of mathematics exists, Lets go to the next

step...

Step Three: Laws of Science
Laws of science are basically descriptions of what matter does based

on repeated observations, and are usually expressed in mathematical

equations. An example of a law of science is the law of gravity.

Using the law of gravity, we can predict how fast a heavier than air

object will fall to the ground given all the factors for the

equation.

What do you believe? Law of Science Exists,Lets go into Next step.

Step Four: Absolute Moral Laws
I have seldom heard anyone deny that laws of logic, mathematics, or

science exist, but I have often heard people deny the existence of

absolute moral laws. Whereas some laws like those that govern

science, and mathematics describe reality, and how things do behave,

absolute moral laws 'prescribe' how humans ought to, or ought not to

behave.

Rape, and child molestation, are two examples of absolute moral

wrongs.

What do you believe? Absolute Moral laws exist

Step Five: The Nature of Laws (a)
By reaching this page you have acknowledged that laws of logic,

mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. Next we will

examine what you believe about these laws. Are these laws material,

or are they immaterial? In other words, are they made of matter, or

are they 'abstract' entities? - are they physical or non-physical

things?

LAWS OF-Mathematics, Science, and Absolute Morality are

immaterial...

Step Six: The Nature of Laws (b)
You have acknowledged that laws of logic, mathematics, science, and

absolute morality exist and that they are not made of matter. The

next question is whether you believe they are universal or up to the

individual. Does 2 + 2 = 4 only where you are, and only because you

say it does, or is this a universal law?

LAWS OF- Logic, Mathematics, science and Absolute Morality are

Universal

Step Seven: The Nature of Laws (c)
You have acknowledged that laws of logic, mathematics, science, and

absolute morality exist, that they are not made of matter, and that

they are universal. The next question is whether you believe they

are changing or unchanging.

LAWS OF- Logic, Mathematics, science and Absolute Morality are

unchanging..

To reach this page you had to acknowledge that immaterial,

universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and

absolute morality exist. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are

necessary for rational thinking to be possible. Universal,

immaterial, unchanging laws cannot be accounted for if the universe

was random or only material in nature.

The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world,

those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who

suppress the truth of God's existence. The options of 'seeking' God,

or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to

prove the existence of God as it declares that the existence of God

is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him.

Romans 1 vs. 18 - 21 says:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the

godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their

wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them,

because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the

world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine

nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been

made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God,

they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their

thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
The God of Christianity is the necessary starting point to make

sense of universal, abstract, invariant laws by the impossibility of

the contrary. These laws are necessary to prove ANYTHING.

Therefore...

Step 8: The proof that God exists

The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove

anything.
Note that the proof does not say that professed unbelievers do not

prove things. The argument is that you must borrow from the

Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial,

unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything.

This type of logical proof deals with ‘transcendentals’ or

‘necessary starting points,’ and the proof is called a

‘transcendental proof.’ Any contrary view to the God of Christianity

being the necessary starting point for rationality is reduced to

absurdity. You have to assume God in order to argue against Him.

Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality.

How do Christians account for universal, immaterial, unchanging

laws?
Christians account for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws as

they reflect the very nature of God.

The Bible accounts for immaterial entities as in John 4 vs. 24 it

states: "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit

and in truth."

In Malachi 3 vs. 6 God says "I the Lord do not change." accounting

for His unchanging nature.

Psalm 90 vs. 2 states: "Before the mountains were born or you

brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to

everlasting, you are God." and Psalm 139 vs. 7 - 10 states: "Where

can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I

go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths,

you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on

the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your

right hand will hold me fast," accounting for God's universality.

The laws of logic, mathematics, science, and morality, reflect the

thinking and character of God and what He has created in order to

accomplish His purposes.

In Jeremiah 33 vs. 25 God speaks of how He has 'fixed the laws of

heaven and earth.' These universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are

the basis for all knowledge and are rooted in God's word. The

apostle Paul said in his letter to the Colossians: My purpose is

that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that

they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order

that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are

hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Chapter 2 vs. 2

- 3)

Of course everyone uses universal, immaterial, unchanging laws, but

many do so denying their only possible source. Christianity

proclaims the source which can be summarized with Christ's

declaration: "apart from me you can do nothing." (John 15 vs. 5)

What do you believe?

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in

self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for

anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par

with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the

while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic,

mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to

rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are

not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are

sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose

your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has

nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Examine what your

initial reaction was to the proof of God's existence offered on this

website. Did you think that you could continue to deny God because

you are not a scientist, or philosopher but 'Surely somewhere,

sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an

explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from

God?' Did you try to come up with an alternate explanation on your

own? OR Did you even consider that the proof was valid?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial,

unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap

of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is

exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is

my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that

you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His forgiving love, and

come to know the peace which passes all understanding.

Posted: at 3-12-2011 07:58 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
- cadanre at 3-12-2011 08:31 PM (13 years ago)
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Somebody please help me take this post to RELIGIOUS FORUM.

Posted: at 3-12-2011 08:31 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- all_d_audible at 3-12-2011 08:41 PM (13 years ago)
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Leave it here...I deliberately place it here because it is part of what ppl should know?
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- cadanre at 3-12-2011 08:46 PM (13 years ago)
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Ok. As you so wish! Grin Grin

Posted: at 3-12-2011 08:46 PM (13 years ago) | Hero
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- kebella at 3-12-2011 08:58 PM (13 years ago)
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- CammyWhite at 3-12-2011 11:23 PM (13 years ago)
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This may be evidence of the existence of a Divine Power, but it says nothing whatever about that Power being Yahweh.
Posted: at 3-12-2011 11:23 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ajepakoromance at 4-12-2011 04:38 PM (13 years ago)
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@Poster,
I wish i had enough time to clear up your ignorance but still, am looking forward to.

Listen,  like you said, people's problem are their unchanging stagnant nature.
Those laws you mention above has nothing to do with your subject and your God claim.
The must important laws in nature are 9 in numbers. Anyway don't have time to break anything down.
But listen, mathematics is the Synchronicity of  energy, space, time and shape.
Reality is a state of change caused by individual awareness or individualism consciousness also know as polarity awareness.
So, the fact that your God don't change, is to say that, your God is stagnant and lifeless. Thus your God is death. Even death is better of to your God, i only used death for lack of better word.  My point is this, get use to change and you will master all the 9 laws in nature, and have the power to control,  manipulate every other existence within and beyond mundane consciousness.
Posted: at 4-12-2011 04:38 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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