I DON THINK TIRE. I SWEAR. ARE THERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE HOUSE?
what if they are in?! what help can they offer you in this instance rather than tell you "believe in the lord and his spirit will live in you" even if you cant comprehend the doctrine of your religion. better come to Islam, the light, the only religion with no slight contradiction. come today Inemx, because tommorrow might be too late.
Posted: at 21-07-2010 10:44 AM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
I DON THINK TIRE. I SWEAR. ARE THERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE HOUSE?
what if they are in?! what help can they offer you in this instance rather than tell you "believe in the lord and his spirit will live in you" even if you cant comprehend the doctrine of your religion. better come to Islam, the light, the only religion with no slight contradiction. come today Inemx, because tommorrow might be too late.
Yes Mubaji, let me back you up with this:
Qur'an 4:171
"People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust".
5:72–75
"Those who say, 'God is the Messiah, son of Mary,' have defied God. The Messiah himself said, 'Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers".
"Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are".
5:116
"When God says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside God"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to say—if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen".
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 01:22 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
I have never met anyone who has understood the Trinity. Besides, all that a christian can offer is a false analogy. From this, all they show is the lack of understanding of what the Trinity is suppose to be. One may say with one's lips: 'I believe that God is one, and also three'--but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.
Where did the Trinity come from? The Bible? NO! The word Trinity doesn't even appear in the Bible. The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "pious fraud", and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.
It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely pagan and man-made in origin.
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 01:31 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 01:34 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
I have never met anyone who has understood the Trinity. Besides, all that a christian can offer is a false analogy. From this, all they show is the lack of understanding of what the Trinity is suppose to be. One may say with one's lips: 'I believe that God is one, and also three'--but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.
Where did the Trinity come from? The Bible? NO! The word Trinity doesn't even appear in the Bible. The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "pious fraud", and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.
It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely pagan and man-made in origin.
color] CADANRE, THIS QUESTION WAS MEANT FOR THE CHRISTIANS, BUT SINCE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING CONVERTED TO A CHRISTIAN BY REASON OF YEARNING TO KNOW SOME SPIRITUAL FACT ABOUT TRINITY, I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS SIMPLE QUESTION: HOW WOULD YOU DENY THESE THREE VITAL COMPONENTS THAT FORM THE REAL YOU; YOUR BODY, YOUR SPIRIT AND THE WORD YOU SPEAK?[/
Posted: at 21-07-2010 03:38 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
CADANRE, GO AND READ THE BIBLE WHICH MOHAMMAD COMMANDED YOU TO USE AS GUIDE TO LIVE. QURAN ITSELT IS ASKING YOU TO DO SO. STOP THIS MADNESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF IN ANY WAY. YOUR PEOPLE ARE APRECIATING THE FACTS ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. YOU TOO CAN DO SAME AND CHANGE AND SAVE SOUL FROM DOOM. TRY AND VISIT THE WEBSITE THAT VISITED LONG BEFORE NOW AND READ THROUGH IT AGAIN. DONT BE SHY OK?
Posted: at 21-07-2010 03:49 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
CADANRE, GO AND READ THE BIBLE WHICH MOHAMMAD COMMANDED YOU TO USE AS GUIDE TO LIVE. QURAN ITSELT IS ASKING YOU TO DO SO. STOP THIS MADNESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF IN ANY WAY. YOUR PEOPLE ARE APRECIATING THE FACTS ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. YOU TOO CAN DO SAME AND CHANGE AND SAVE SOUL FROM DOOM. TRY AND VISIT THE WEBSITE THAT VISITED LONG BEFORE NOW AND READ THROUGH IT AGAIN. DONT BE SHY OK?
You are RIGHT! I am not helping myself I know. I am only trying to helpyou. I read Qur'an and I worship according to what/how Nabiyy (SAW) did. I have been following his teachings, as such, I have nothing left. But you! Doom!! Whenever you read Bible you practice the opposite. Where Jesus says Right, you say Left. You wage war against Jesus Christ I wonder how you could win. Shame on you inemx that you are asking about trinity and a true answer is given which a person like you may never understand. At least I want you to know it. Your religion is being directed and misdirected by devil warshipers, yet you grab it without a second thought. Pity!
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 04:48 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
I DON THINK TIRE. I SWEAR. ARE THERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE HOUSE?
You may spend the whole of your life thinking, but you can never find something meaningful in it. I see you calling for help. Who could help who? You are all in the sinking ship, you will all perish, you will be no more. That is your end.
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 04:50 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity. (excerpts from harunashehu's post).
inemx if you like you can invent another thing anew. People will follow it I am sure.
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 05:00 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
CADANRE, GO AND READ THE BIBLE WHICH MOHAMMAD COMMANDED YOU TO USE AS GUIDE TO LIVE. QURAN ITSELT IS ASKING YOU TO DO SO. STOP THIS MADNESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF IN ANY WAY. YOUR PEOPLE ARE APRECIATING THE FACTS ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. YOU TOO CAN DO SAME AND CHANGE AND SAVE SOUL FROM DOOM. TRY AND VISIT THE WEBSITE THAT VISITED LONG BEFORE NOW AND READ THROUGH IT AGAIN. DONT BE SHY OK?
You are RIGHT! I am not helping myself I know. I am only trying to helpyou. I read Qur'an and I worship according to what/how Nabiyy (SAW) did. I have been following his teachings, as such, I have nothing left. But you! Doom!! Whenever you read Bible you practice the opposite. Where Jesus says Right, you say Left. You wage war against Jesus Christ I wonder how you could win. Shame on you inemx that you are asking about trinity and a true answer is given which a person like you may never understand. At least I want you to know it. Your religion is being directed and misdirected by devil warshipers, yet you grab it without a second thought. Pity!
OK. I CAN SEE THE DEVIL IS REALLY WORKING HARD ON YOU. JUST LIKE HE DID TO MOHAMMAD- ANCESTOR. HE WILL SOON TORMENT YOU LIKE HE DID TO HIM TOO.
Posted: at 21-07-2010 06:17 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
I have never met anyone who has understood the Trinity. Besides, all that a christian can offer is a false analogy. From this, all they show is the lack of understanding of what the Trinity is suppose to be. One may say with one's lips: 'I believe that God is one, and also three'--but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.
Where did the Trinity come from? The Bible? NO! The word Trinity doesn't even appear in the Bible. The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "pious fraud", and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.
It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely pagan and man-made in origin.
color] CADANRE, THIS QUESTION WAS MEANT FOR THE CHRISTIANS, BUT SINCE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING CONVERTED TO A CHRISTIAN BY REASON OF YEARNING TO KNOW SOME SPIRITUAL FACT ABOUT TRINITY, I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS SIMPLE QUESTION: HOW WOULD YOU DENY THESE THREE VITAL COMPONENTS THAT FORM THE REAL YOU; YOUR BODY, YOUR SPIRIT AND THE WORD YOU SPEAK?[/
Posted: at 21-07-2010 06:20 PM (14 years ago) | Gistmaniac
inemx devil has finished working on you. He worn already. He programmed you and you are working for him. Despite this I have this for you to read, if you have the mind to:
In the Gospel of John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are one". When we examine this statement exclusively, it is apparent that Jesus did claim that he was the same as God. However, in order to get a complete understanding of anything, one must analyze the quote in the context it was presented in. If we go to another passage in the Bible, Jesus says, "...for my Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]. Here Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his Father, in that that his Father is greater than him. If we interpret the former verse to mean that Jesus and God are the same in essence, then the latter verse would pose a contradiction. This is because if Jesus and God are the same in essence, then how can one be greater than the other? Since we cannot admit that the Bible would contradict itself, we are forced to reject the interpretation that Jesus is the same is God. What then do we make of the original verse presented? The phrase "I and my Father are one" could also be taken to mean that they are one in a certain aspect or in other words they have something in common. Let's look at the verse in the context of the passage it appears in.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one. [John 10:27-30]
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 06:59 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
So what else does Jesus say in regards to his position in relation to his Father? In the Gospel of Matthew it is stated,
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." [Matthew 26:39] This verse shows Jesus praying to his Father. The question is who is Jesus praying to if he is God? If he has the ultimate authority, then why does he look to someone other than himself? Do Gods pray? Can a God be in need? Again it is made decisively clear that Jesus differentiates between himself and his Father, and humbly presents his request to his Master, his God.
In the Gospel of John, Jesus says:
"I can of mine own self do nothing; as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30] Again, Jesus says that his power is not from him and in fact his self is powerless. What's more is that Jesus continuously mentions and emphasizes that it is the Father who has sent him. What is the purpose of mentioning such a thing over and over again? Is it for anything other than to show that the Father possesses the Ultimate Authority and were it not for Him, Jesus would not have been sent on this mission in the first place? A few verses earlier, in John 5:26, Jesus says, "For as the Father has life in himself; so hath He given to the son to have life in himself". My dear readers, can it become any more clearer? These are not my words but the words of Jesus, who testifies that it is the Father who has GIVEN him life.
Doesn't this make Jesus a creature of God?
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 07:17 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
this question can be answered quite simply. Many of my Christian brethren assert that the proof of the Godhood of the Holy Spirit is evident from the following verse:
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" [First Epistle of John 5:7] If this verse was indeed evidence for the Godhood of the Holy Spirit, then we would be obliged to accept that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God and identical in nature. However, we have already clarified that Jesus cannot be the same as God on the basis of his own testification where he says, "My Father is greater than I". Thus, this Trinitarian understanding of God falls apart as soon as one of the links don't hold. This is because all three of the personalities have to be the same in nature according to verse above, but since two of them are definitely not the same, the verse cannot be interpreted to mean a trinity. Thus, it is apparent that the Holy Spirit can have no share in Godhood.
In Mark 13:32, Jesus says "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but (only) the Father." From this statement it is apparent that no-one has knowledge about the hour, except the Father. Therefore, the Father is the true Divine, whereas both Jesus and the Holy Ghost are just subordinates. The Greatest, All-Perfect, and All-Knowledgeable is only the Father, God Almighty.
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 07:20 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
"If a blind man leads a blind man both will fall into a pit" [Matthew 15:14] These words of wisdom by our beloved Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) are indeed very powerful. How beautifully he reminds us that we must be weary of the teachings we follow and adhere to? There is a dire need for us all to reflect on what we believe and affirm it with our intellects to ensure that we are on the path of guidance and light. I pray that we take heed to the words of this great personality and through it may we reach the ranks of the righteous.
IN ZAKA FADI, FADI GASKIYA, KOMAI TA JA MA A YI MAKA
Posted: at 21-07-2010 07:22 PM (14 years ago) | Hero
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