O worshippers of the Messiah

Date: 04-09-2008 11:06 am (15 years ago) | Author: Slim Dizzle
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- at 4-09-2008 11:06 AM (15 years ago)
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Wink"O worshippers of the Messiah, we have a question, to which we want an answer from the one who understands it.

If a god dies because of the actions of people who kill him, what is this god?

Is he pleased with what they did to him? Then they must be lucky for they have earned his pleasure.

If he is displeased with what they did to him, their power has nevertheless overwhelmed his.

Did the universe remain without a god who hears all and answers those who call upon him?

Were the seven heavens left with no god above them when he was buried in the ground?

Was this universe left with no god to look after it when his hands were nailed (to the cross)?

How could this god be forsaken by all his creation when they heard him weep?

How could this wood bear the true god who was tied to it?

How could iron come close to him and penetrate him and wound him?

How could the hands of his enemies reach him when they struck the back of his head?

Was the Messiah brought back to life or is the one who revived him another god?

What a strange grave it is that could contain a god. What is even stranger is that a womb could contain him,

Where he remained for nine months, nourished from blood,

Then he emerged from the honeypot as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and seeking the Bosom ,

Eating and drinking, with the inevitable consequences thereof. Is that a god?

Exalted be Allaah above the fabrications of the Christians. He will question them all about the lies they told.

O worshippers of the cross, for what reason is that thing (the cross) venerated?

Rationally speaking, it should be broken and burned.
 :'( :'(
If god was crucified upon it by force and his hands nailed to it,

Then the thing used for that purpose should be cursed and trampled upon, not kissed when you see it.

How can the Lord of the Worlds be humiliated on it, then you go and worship it?

Then you are the enemies of that god, if you venerate it because the lord of mankind has touched it.

That cross is lost but every time we see something similar it reminds us of that cross.

Then why you do you not venerate the graves, for a grave once contained your lord?

O worshipper of the Messiah, wake up! He has a beginning and he has an end."

Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/291
:'( :'(

Posted: at 4-09-2008 11:06 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
- SLImDIzzLE at 4-09-2008 11:11 AM (15 years ago)
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does anyone hav a reply to all these plz?
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- khadijah at 4-09-2008 03:44 PM (15 years ago)
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Posted: at 4-09-2008 03:44 PM (15 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- SLImDIzzLE at 7-09-2008 10:34 AM (15 years ago)
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well, thats what i got and i m damn sure even the popr cant answer these!!!
Posted: at 7-09-2008 10:34 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- SLImDIzzLE at 10-09-2008 09:45 AM (15 years ago)
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does this mean no one knows the answers?then what the hell r we christians for?why dont we  just free ourselves from dogma and get the move-on!!!
Posted: at 10-09-2008 09:45 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- meczytimber at 11-09-2008 03:07 AM (15 years ago)
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Too long to read

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- E-star at 14-09-2008 01:27 AM (15 years ago)
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Matthew 26v 53-54 "Don't you realise that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and He would send them instantly? But If I did , how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that describe what must happen now?"

Jesus, the Son of God chose to die, He could have opted out meaning mankind would be DOOMED. Even when he found the "cup" so hard to bear, He prayed that God's will would br done because He loves the Father GOD and loves us too!

Jesus, is the Son of God and therefore is ONE with God the Father. JOhn 17v 21-26 {pls do take the time to read this} THose who crucified Him did not want to believe this and ...Unless they believed that Jesus is the way, the truth and Life, they could not be saved!

We are not to worship the Cross but worship GOd!! Jesus came to take the penalty for the bible says that the man wgo hangs on the tree is cursed. Jesus toook our place as a sacrifice our our sinful kind, because He LOVES us!!!

It's an amazing love that I'm sure the person who wrote the post has never experienced, else they wouldn't put it there!

God Bless you all!

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Posted: at 14-09-2008 01:27 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- E-star at 14-09-2008 02:00 AM (15 years ago)
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watch:


http://www.gospeltube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0176ef0d24ef6d2dcde3
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- ifeyemi5 at 21-09-2008 06:44 PM (15 years ago)
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MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU.
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- JUMPER at 21-09-2008 10:28 PM (15 years ago)
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2slimdizzle, watch it ooooooooooooooooooooo
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- SLImDIzzLE at 1-10-2008 12:21 PM (15 years ago)
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Constructive and convincing arguments have always have a place in the development of religions, i think the truth has to be told- Christianity has festered on dogmatism and falsehood.Those were questions I haven't seen anyone answer.Let's get the move on as i said, it's all about being objective.
THE TRUTH IS TO BE TOLD,NOT TO BE SOLD!!!
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- 9jakrazy at 1-10-2008 06:41 PM (15 years ago)
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This is the height of confusion, Slim. What is the basis of your argument? just because you were not a witness to an event  does not mean it never took place. Let me ask you a question as stupid as your's. How are you sure your father and mother are really your's? You see, my friend, appearance is not usually reality. Get a grip on your mind!
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- mynameiskeji at 1-10-2008 11:43 PM (15 years ago)
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My dear where hv you been....welcome to the 21st century.
those questions were asked and answered 2000 years ago....try reading the bible just out of curiosity..and without any bias..

When it comes to matters that you cannt fathom, all you need is faith or you just ignore it. Faith as you wld know is a supernatural gift from God that helps us to believe whatever God has REVIEWED. WE worshippers of THE MESSIAH werent there when history was made neither were you there when Prophet Mohammad got the Islamic teachings.

But honestly, in this day and age, the respect for other religions is wide spread. You either follow or step back. If you dont understand why a group of people worship in a certain way, read about it, ask direct, clear and clear minded questions before displaying some supposedly "smart" ( stupid, if i may say) questions.

Peace
Posted: at 1-10-2008 11:43 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- SLImDIzzLE at 2-10-2008 04:55 PM (15 years ago)
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@ mynameiskeji
Interstignly,u cant PREACH to me to read the bible cuz i already did that allover b4 i decided it's not meant 4 me and even U.
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@9jakrazy,
SEE,ITS NOT ABOUT BEING WITNESS OR NOT,its all about using ur intellect to decipher things that are not so encrypted anyway,but we have decided to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to.You and I know the bible contains a lot of discrepancies, U and I Know that its only in the bible that 1+1+1=1. U and I know that its only the bible that has been written by 4 people with so common first names and no last name.
I'm not hating or sumthin, but my cry is that we should stop being dogmatic and lets reason together.
Christianity stopped growing in the West cuz the Westerners do think,it seems to grow here not cuz it makes sense,only cuz its main message now is all the fake miracles Oyakhilome and others are known with.
Let's all reason together.AGAIN,BACK TO THOSE QUESTIONS, I WANT ANSWERS AND NOT EXTRA QUESTIONS.IF U CANT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS CONVINCINGLY,NOT TO ME , BUT TO UR OWN INNER CONSCIENCE,I THINK U SHOULD START RESEARCHING OTHER RELIGIONS.
Posted: at 2-10-2008 04:55 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- mynameiskeji at 2-10-2008 08:54 PM (15 years ago)
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@ Slimdizzle
 I'm afraid but it seems you got me wrong. I'm  NOT PRECHING to you AT ALL. I cannt be bothered what you do. Besides who are you to DECIDE what is right or wrong for me? I'm telling you to read the bible as an academia, read it without judging. Honestly, your stand sounds like it's out of jealousy. You cannt understand the Holy bible coz you aint meant to, just like some people cannt understand (how) that there is God.

I've noticed that your prejudice that Christianity is all about falsehood is based on what you've been fed by the media. It isnt your fault. The media are known to create confusion in the minds of the less informed. There are fake preachers in ever religion on earth. How would you explain those that profess Islamic beliefs yet destroy innocent lives? Have they got any right to tell Almighty Allah what is right from wrong? who shld live or die?

If Christianity is all about dogma, everything about live should be then coz there aint any logical reason for anything. You need to research my dear friend, read, then when you come up with sound and logical questions, trust me you would get so many answers than you can handle.

I believe in Jesus Christ,I believe He is the Son of God, I believe He died and rose again. This is a matter of faith..If you've read the Holy bible  (as claimed) and still dont get it, then as i said earlier, you aint meant to. It is a fact. Take it or leave it. Share with us the fruits, background and teachings of ur faith that cld help in our daily struggle in life and stop making urself look typical.

You obviously aint aware of what is going on in the West. (referring to ur comment to 9jakrazy). Some of them didnt leave Christiainity, they left God entirely. The UK's anthem still asks God to save the Queen. US still print "In God we trust" on their bank notes. So obviously they've got some faith left. Nigerians cannt live without the various beliefs. The era of "impossing" a belief is gone. Now it's the time to consider our individual selfs and strive to please Our God.

God bless us all.....Peace.
Posted: at 2-10-2008 08:54 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- SLImDIzzLE at 4-10-2008 10:08 AM (15 years ago)
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@mynameiskeji,
I agree with u that we hav to do things without being dogmatic( that i should study the bible academically( but i disagree again when u come around contradicting that by saying everything should be dogmas if xtianity is.  i think i raised fundamental questions as to some of the basic biblical teachings that U and I will agree are not factual.I studied all these as a child and even when i grew up and had to find my way.

About the West , I think i know what i'm saying and u can always google out this. Islam is rising, churches and pubs are becoming mosques, churches are becoming libararies.

I nevertheless appreciate the way this is going, no abuses, no cursing , unlike nairaland.
Its been wonderful being with u guys.

BUT AGAIN, those questions stil hang and I will never supprt the notion that human intellect is so basal, it cant reflect on what it has always been fed from childhood.
Posted: at 4-10-2008 10:08 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- mynameiskeji at 4-10-2008 12:51 PM (15 years ago)
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@SLimdizzle...
"About the West , I think i know what i'm saying and u can always google out this. Islam is rising, churches and pubs are becoming mosques, churches are becoming libararies"

Again the media "stories", anyone cld put any website on and say whatever they want. I live in the West and I'm actively involved in my society so I can tell for for a fact that ur assumption is not right at all...

A good percentage of the youths here dont practice any belief, basically they will tell you they dont believe in any supreme being.

Anyway whatever religion you "believe" isnt dogmatic at all ( faith, itself is a dogma, i reckon u agree), then share the teachings that cld help the youths of the world in believing there is a supreme being.
Posted: at 4-10-2008 12:51 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- SLImDIzzLE at 5-10-2008 09:50 AM (15 years ago)
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As much as I wouldn't want to dwell on this issue anymore,i find appalling, ur view that Islam is not RISING in the West.When you say Media, Is it al jazeerah or CNN? Is it al arabiyyah or BBC? i Know  vividly these are non Muslim media houses with strong anti Muslim beliefs.So how then are they going  to lie for Islam?Remember Channel 4 and its undercover mosque!!!

It's all about these questions i couldn't answer,and ALL those i asked couldn't either that has made me what i am today.
Posted: at 5-10-2008 09:50 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- mynameiskeji at 5-10-2008 01:14 PM (15 years ago)
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I'm not disputing that Islam is expanding...I just know that in the Western world, atheism is expanding more than any religion. Pubs cannt be "turned" into Mosques coz pubs is the main means of social life here n they wld do anything to save it from going burst. Did you get my message to ur box?
Posted: at 5-10-2008 01:14 PM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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- SLImDIzzLE at 6-10-2008 08:23 AM (15 years ago)
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yeah , i got it. We meet in there..
Posted: at 6-10-2008 08:23 AM (15 years ago) | Newbie
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