Can the north survive without the Niger-Delta oil? (Page 7)

Date: 09-08-2008 6:28 pm (16 years ago) | Author: FORTUNE A
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- lonelyzeal at 12-02-2009 11:43 PM (16 years ago)
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The North cannot survive 6 months without Niger Delta Oil Revenue.Why the rigmarole here.Let's be bold enough to say this truth to ourselves.What will it use to sustain itself?Nothing.Dont tell me Agriculture.They price of Agro-products in the International market is shitty.The whole of Nigeria cannot survive without Oil.So the Niger sate Governor & his other counterparts should just quit the hypocrisy & be real.
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- Godsson at 8-03-2009 01:55 AM (16 years ago)
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Quote from: lonelyzeal on 12-02-2009 11:43 PM
The North cannot survive 6 months without Niger Delta Oil Revenue.Why the rigmarole here.Let's be bold enough to say this truth to ourselves.What will it use to sustain itself?Nothing.Dont tell me Agriculture.They price of Agro-products in the International market is shitty.The whole of Nigeria cannot survive without Oil.So the Niger sate Governor & his other counterparts should just quit the hypocrisy & be real.

Bravo.You ve spoken well.
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- Godsson at 18-04-2009 11:27 PM (16 years ago)
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Quote from: kunzles on 10-02-2009 07:22 PM
Quote from: dadiyata on  7-01-2009 06:11 PM
Hi guyz,
the north can definitely survive without the much pampered oil revenue. Let me take you back a little to the colonial time before the oil exploration, the administrative governance of the entire country was financed with revenue accrued from Tin, Grondnut, Cotton etc. why will someone think that without the oil money the north can never see light of the day?
its so painful that ruling class of the south have brainwashed thier people with the belief tha all thier misfortunes is caused by the north. my brothers you better shine your eyes! you have been fooled for a longtime without you realizing. cheers to all

son, do you know what u are talking about? its apparent you don't......ask around for the dynamism o tha world economy today and tell me tha relevance of the of yesteryear's management of Nigerian economy to Nigerian economy of today....if you don't k know better ask around and if you are honest to yourself u will know the part of Nigeria that is brainwatched to do everything their "elite" leaders say.....north can survive i agree but no bullshitting...we all know whats going on

Not bad. objective.
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- rbest at 22-04-2009 02:32 PM (16 years ago)
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we all does not know wat is going on until we all are carried along.
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- desmond4kaycy at 25-04-2009 12:53 AM (16 years ago)
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Yes , they will survive without the Niger-Delta. Nigeria is confused.....because of the combination of more than (3) three differet cultures and traditions.  For example, the Ibo man has nothing in with an Hausa man. Different food,language,tradition,RELIGION.....etc. They are deposited with different natural resources.....so they can survive without Niger-Delta.   Infact, this why our leaders are not doing well in their responsibilties.  Nigeria is too big to be one country.   As a matter of fact , the leaders are ROBING the Niger-Delta's to pay the Northerners.....Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.      Until Nigerians considers the Niger-Delta's as the HEARTBEAT of the Country and reward her accordingly the country will continue to crowl.  The next point of our problem is PDP and her corrupt and bloody members.   Now the BIAFRANS are say we want to be on our own......but Nigerians saya no......Why!WHY!! WHY!!! Let Yaradua and his bloody friends answer this quesition. No job for graduates,poor housing,no good water..........May God forgive them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- Cleverman at 25-04-2009 02:23 PM (16 years ago)
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Hi guyz,
the north can definitely survive without the much pampered oil revenue. Let me take you back a little to the colonial time before the oil exploration, the administrative governance of the entire country was financed with revenue accrued from Tin, Grondnut, Cotton etc. why will someone think that without the oil money the north can never see light of the day?
its so painful that ruling class of the south have brainwashed thier people with the belief tha all thier misfortunes is caused by the north. my brothers you better shine your eyes! you have been fooled for a longtime without you realizing. cheers to all


son, do you know what u are talking about? its apparent you don't......ask around for the dynamism o tha world economy today and tell me tha relevance of the of yesteryear's management of Nigerian economy to Nigerian economy of today....if you don't k know better ask around and if you are honest to yourself u will know the part of Nigeria that is brainwatched to do everything their "elite" leaders say.....north can survive i agree but no bullshitting...we all know whats going on

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- Cleverman at 25-04-2009 02:34 PM (16 years ago)
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[quote author: Kunzle and Dadiyata

Hi guyz,
the north can definitely survive without the much pampered oil revenue. Let me take you back a little to the colonial time before the oil exploration, the administrative governance of the entire country was financed with revenue accrued from Tin, Grondnut, Cotton etc. why will someone think that without the oil money the north can never see light of the day?
its so painful that ruling class of the south have brainwashed thier people with the belief tha all thier misfortunes is caused by the north. my brothers you better shine your eyes! you have been fooled for a longtime without you realizing. cheers to all


son, do you know what u are talking about? its apparent you don't......ask around for the dynamism o tha world economy today and tell me tha relevance of the of yesteryear's management of Nigerian economy to Nigerian economy of today....if you don't k know better ask around and if you are honest to yourself u will know the part of Nigeria that is brainwatched to do everything their "elite" leaders say.....north can survive i agree but no bullshitting...we all know whats going on


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Posted: at 25-04-2009 02:34 PM (16 years ago) | Newbie
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- Godsson at 25-04-2009 08:21 PM (16 years ago)
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Let me state from the outset that I am aware that at the end of this piece, some will want to preach to me about a New Nigeria and the need to jettison Ethnicity. This piece/ comments are aimed at illuminating this historical contradictions in the prevailing thought on Oil Politics in this Forum.

Once again, as always, I will not fail to point out the truth. Viz: Oil is not the cause of our problems. The Problem is lack of conscientious leadership. This has given room to ETHNIC BASED POLITICAL DOMINATION. It was ethnic based political domination that led to the HYPER-CENTRALIZATION OF POWER in this country. It was same that led to the needless 30 months  Civil War & the creation of nonviable states It was same that created primitive accumulation in our body polity. I guess it's time I addressed this issue once and for all.

This was what went down. Before Independence and the few years following it, Agricultural products found mainly in the homelands of the major Ethnic groups where the mainstay of the Nigerian Political economy. The structure of Government was DELIBERATELY DESIGNED then to reflect the resource location. Thus, the Hausa/Fulani controlled the Northern Region that produced Tin, Groundnut & hide & skin. The Yorubas controlled the Cocoa producing Western Region. While the Igbos on their part controlled the Palm Products producing Eastern Region. Funny enough, their was no SOUTHERN REGION, even though the smallest child with any knowledge of compass knew that it has North, East, South & West. As always, Nigeria's was DIFFERENT. Now, because the resources were securely in the hands of the 3 Major Ethnic Groups, the Nigerian central Elite, which was and still is a conglomerate of the elites of the ethnic groups ion the country, but Controlled and dominated by those from the Big 3 (B3), due to their population, allowed the practice of a GOOD FEDERAL SYSTEM. Under that system(1946-1966) there was regional autonomy. Each region ran it's business with relative autarky from the Central Government. Each of the regions had control of their resources and destiny. They reaped the benefits of their resources and pay an agreed Percentage  to the Federal Government as tax. That was how, they had money to do what they want to do. The Western Region scored high on Education (Free Education and the establishment of The University of Ibadan), built the tallest building in Africa then, the Cocoa house in Ibadan, established the first TV station in Africa, etc. The Western Region was richest then.
The Northern and Eastern Regions were not left behind. They too used their moneys they way they deemed fit. ABU Zaria & UNN, Nsuka were established in the North & East respectively. among other things.

It should be noted that at this period, Revenue Allocation in this country was based on the Derivation Formula. All the Revenue Allocation Commissions before Independence, from Hick-Phillipson (1951) to Raisman Commission (1958) put Derivation at nothing less than 50%. However, all this changed when a new resource with high money spinning potentials-OIL- was discovered in Oloibiri in the non-Ibo section of Eastern Nigeria. The Raisman Report did not hide this. The report stated the revenue that will accrue to the Eastern Region in the future "was too sizable to ignore".( Raisma Report, 1958, p.24.) So with this in mind, the elites on the major ethnic groups, seeing that their homelands do not produce any drop of Oil at the time, used their access to state power to reduce the Derivation component of the Revenue Allocation system, that creates Fiscal Autonomy and True Federalism in the Pre-independence era. However, because Oil was still not a major contributor to the nations wealth, Sections 134 and 140 subsection 1 of the 1960 & 1963 Constitutions respectively stated that:"...there shall be paid by the Federation to each Region(now State) a sum equal to 50 Percent...the proceeds of any royalty received by the Federation in respect of any mineral extracted from that region, and any mining rents derived by the Federation during that year from that region"

Even when the Military took office in 1966, Gowon did not reduce Derivation until 1970. And he only reduced it from 50% to 45%. One is forced to ask why Gowon a Military man left it in tact. This writer is inclined to proffer two hypotheses. 1. It was because Gowon is from Jos and has witnessed the horrors of Tin mining and the fate of the occupants of the area after their resource dries up. & 2. He did it to compensate the Oil Producing states & their People for their loyalty and support during the civil war. He did not touch it even when Oil became the major Foreign Exchange Earner in 1973, due to the Israeli/ Arab war of that year. Oil started contributing 93% of all export earnings from that year.
However, everything changed when the Ethnic Elites thought that Gowon is not doing what they sent him to do. They sent Murtala/Obasanjo to take over from Gowon in 1975. And one of the first actions of that Government was to reduce Derivation to 20% from Gowon's 45%. They also created 7 new unproductive states to share OIL MONEY. During this period, Population, Equality of States and Land mass took over from derivation as the major components of  Revenue Allocation in the Country. The prominence given to these 3 components revealed the true intent of the new Government and their policies. By Equality of States, it means that it does not matter whether you contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the Federation's Account, as long as you are a State, you will share from the 30% of all Revenues of the country.Thus, since the Yorubas & Hausa/Fulanis had far more states than others, they get more based on this. The Ibos were relegated to the background and punished after the war. So they had few states.
The same calculations go for Population and Land mass. Since 40% and 10%  of all revenue is shared based on Population and lands Mass respectively,(and with all the fraudulent censors figures) you guess is as good as mine who benefits from this absurd formula.If you dont get it, ask yourself this simple question. Viz: Who has the Highest Population & Land Mass in Nigeria? & who has been ruling for most of our 49 years history? That, I am sure will help solve the maths.

As if this was not bad enough, the so called Democratic Government of Shagari reduced Derivation from 20% to 2% in 1982. Yes! 2%! Buhari/ Idiagbon further slashed it to 1.5% in 1984. One thing to note here is that, anytime Derivation is reduced, the other 3 are increased.

All of the foregoing reductions and increases are aimed at benefiting a section of the country. Whether you all accepts it or not, you know it in your hearts that I am right.

Oil is not the problem. It is the management of the oil resources by the elite of the country, headed by the elites of the B3 that has led us into the woods. If you keep saying Oil is the problem and still refuse to give the Niger Delta People THEIR PROBLEM Oil, then U are an hypocrite. If Oil is a Curse as many people, especially Northerners claim, then, let the Niger Delta people control their curse. Why arrogate a curse to yourself?

In conclusion, Oil is not the bane of the Nigerian political economy. Oil is rather a blessing. However, we have misused our blessing. We have invested the proceeds in Corruption and darkness. We have invested it in Pink elephant projects. It wasn't Oil that told farmers in other regions of the country to leave their farms? It ain't oil that told them to sit back and wait for Federal Government hand outs every month. All regions of this country have Resources. But Ethnic based political domination and wickedness have blinded many to look within themselves for solutions. They all depend on oil money. That is why we have a monocultural economy today. Besides oil and gas, Nigeria has at least 34 other untapped minerals. We is nobody talking about all of these? It is pure wickedness. Everybody wants to suck the Oil wells in the Niger Delta until they are DRY, then leave the people with nothing. The People are not stupid enough to think that oil will flow forever. They have seen how dry the First Oil well in Oloibiri Bayelsa State is. They have no illusions. They want to enjoy the benefits of their resources. That is why we have militancy there.
OIL IS NOT A CURSE.

For more, see my Blogs on this via the links bellow:

http://www.naijapals.com/?L=blogs.blog&article=4083
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- masquerade at 6-05-2009 12:28 PM (16 years ago)
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On a lighter note....no part of nigeria will survive without naija delta oil. Not even the eastern states!!!
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- makanzy at 12-05-2009 08:46 AM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: dadiyata on  7-01-2009 06:11 PM
Hi guyz,
the north can definitely survive without the much pampered oil revenue. Let me take you back a little to the colonial time before the oil exploration, the administrative governance of the entire country was financed with revenue accrued from Tin, Grondnut, Cotton etc. why will someone think that without the oil money the north can never see light of the day?
its so painful that ruling class of the south have brainwashed thier people with the belief tha all thier misfortunes is caused by the north. my brothers you better shine your eyes! you have been fooled for a longtime without you realizing. cheers to all
are you for real, brainwashed?
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- solazed at 12-05-2009 12:30 PM (15 years ago)
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Nigeria is one country...we are interdependent on one another

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- desmond4kaycy at 22-07-2009 06:53 PM (15 years ago)
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God will surely purnish P.D.P an d her supporters............you are simply evil and the problem of Nigeria.
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- bertona12 at 22-07-2009 08:13 PM (15 years ago)
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we should not decieve ourselves-Since the discovery of oil,groundnut,cocoa and others are not heard of again.Every tom,dick and harry focuses his attention on the oil.How I wish the country will be divided into its former three part so that everybody will mind his business
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- Godsson at 10-08-2009 09:17 PM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: bertona12 on 22-07-2009 08:13 PM
we should not decieve ourselves-Since the discovery of oil,groundnut,cocoa and others are not heard of again.Every tom, and harry focuses his attention on the oil.How I wish the country will be divided into its former three part so that everybody will mind his business

True talk.
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- idahosaa at 11-08-2009 07:41 PM (15 years ago)
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The north cant survive with niger delta because nigeria dont have a system ,how are they going to do it when the level of education in the north is still low , How are they going to explain to their people
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- Georgeela at 14-08-2009 03:14 PM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: khadijah on 30-08-2008 08:05 PM
hmmm....in case u never knew notherners are the best and most successful husslers.

who tell u so? maybe hustling mean selling sugar cane and sewing shoes Undecided. Sorry, i never intending insulting Notherners' sensibilities. The fact still remains that because there's oil money now, notherners are behaving as if they are lazy people whereas they are not. If oil were to be a resource from the north, by now there could have been nothing like Nigeria. Take away oil money from northerners and the groundnut pyramids would return back. They know it, its just that we are allowing our greed to direct our thoughts. The best thing that will ever happen to Nigeria is to practise true federalism. Let every state control their resources and lets see if we would not do better than we are presently.

Moreover, why has any southerner not thought of citing another military university down south? Because one is in the north already. Inshort, no need to wake up sleeping dogs. This country na our own, if we no fit dey here repair am, we go dey here destroy am together, as for me i no go leave dis country go any gaddenm place.
Thank you................
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- rbest at 15-08-2009 01:00 PM (15 years ago)
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Northerners will never ever allow niger delta to go, in other words biafra will not exist as far as northerners are concern, and whether u like it or not, they are well situated in nigerian government, and if niger delta or biafra want to try anything funny, they will encourage milltery to take over. afterall northerners are millitry themselves
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- Godsson at 19-08-2009 07:27 PM (15 years ago)
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Quote from: Georgeela on 14-08-2009 03:14 PM
Quote from: khadijah on 30-08-2008 08:05 PM
hmmm....in case u never knew notherners are the best and most successful husslers.

who tell u so? maybe hustling mean selling sugar cane and sewing shoes Undecided. Sorry, i never intending insulting Notherners' sensibilities. The fact still remains that because there's oil money now, notherners are behaving as if they are lazy people whereas they are not. If oil were to be a resource from the north, by now there could have been nothing like Nigeria. Take away oil money from northerners and the groundnut pyramids would return back. They know it, its just that we are allowing our greed to direct our thoughts. The best thing that will ever happen to Nigeria is to practise true federalism. Let every state control their resources and lets see if we would not do better than we are presently.

Moreover, why has any southerner not thought of citing another military university down south? Because one is in the north already. Inshort, no need to wake up sleeping dogs. This country na our own, if we no fit dey here repair am, we go dey here destroy am together, as for me i no go leave dis country go any gaddenm place.
Thank you................

Good & true talk.
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- dadiyata at 3-10-2009 01:12 AM (15 years ago)
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Godson: although u derive pleasure in bragging about oil, why is it dat the highest fraud rate is from ur oil rich south? and all sought of vices and immorality...
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- Godsson at 4-10-2009 08:40 PM (15 years ago)
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dadiyata.lol kiakiakiakiakia! U just cracked me up. What fraud are U talking about? Is it folks from South-South that ve been ruling, sorry ruining this country since Independence, both under Civil and Military rule? NO! I dont brag about oil. I am only stating facts. Althought they are painful facts, they're still facts.
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