Jehovah witnesses and blood transfusion (Page 4)

Date: 13-10-2008 11:56 pm (15 years ago) | Author: King Samuel O Dguy
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- kzee9ja at 12-08-2009 09:55 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: rbest on 11-08-2009 09:50 AM
if u are tired u quit, afterall is not by force. if not christanity what else?

ok since you said that i am not quiting, what else if not christanity, nice one.

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- McBona at 12-08-2009 10:01 PM (14 years ago)
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checking & updating. . .
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- portiphar at 23-08-2009 05:57 PM (14 years ago)
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omo i don run comot
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- queenjacky at 24-08-2009 12:42 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: dguy on 13-10-2008 11:56 PM
Is it true the real Jehova witnesses do not approve getting blood from donors? -- if so why?
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is true but i dont know why but i can ask if u wanna know why
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- SAmyrocko at 19-09-2009 12:43 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: rbest on 16-04-2009 03:57 PM
am not a member and hav never asked why


okay

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- favourtee at 23-09-2009 10:13 AM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: lonelyzeal on 15-10-2008 02:37 PM
khadijah, it is a big lie that Jehovah's witnesses don't believe in hospital.they only don't believe in transfusing and donating blood which is against there belief and biblical injunction of respect for life and blood.come to think of it, all the implications and complications of blood transfusion,despite it being screened, people still get infected with Hiv and all other blood related illness.how safe is safe blood?use you head.
i believe in what you said up there but one more thing, getting infected with the deadly disease has to do with the kind of hospital and how good they screened the blood, i think when such thing happen in abroad ( getting infected) alot of people ( doctors and people that were involved in the transfussion process) has to face the consequences and its really very rare here to get infected
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- onchedu at 23-09-2009 06:36 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: Dejavu on 15-10-2008 09:57 AM
haba khadijah. that's not correct. you don't have to call d dog a bad name only to hang it!
JW's are doctors, police officers, scientists, business-admins... name it. except soldiers.

in simple terms, JW's adhere strictly to every biblical injunction. same for blood.
They believe the Bible's command @ (Acts 15:28, 29) that Christians must "abstain from blood"
anyone can contest this believe in whatever form. perhaps only one who's well rooted in medicine/surgery will give candid unbiased view about the issues concerned.


Misinterpretation.
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- favourtee at 26-09-2009 10:06 AM (14 years ago)
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WTF is this?
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- favourtee at 3-10-2009 08:43 AM (14 years ago)
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these people have reached here too.please admin take quick action because this was how they spoilt lagbaja forum till today
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- Temmysam at 12-10-2009 10:43 AM (14 years ago)
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am not sure about that.
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- brizio at 19-10-2009 10:53 PM (14 years ago)
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I'm staying on the topic here...
 
JW's don't believe in blood transfusion is a fact.
I've learnt in life to respect pple's beliefs, no matter how dumb dey may sound.
Medically speaking, the decision to refuse blood transfusion is insane, there are simply conditions u need blood to correct (anaemic heart failure for instance).
Some pple may argue and have indeed argued that its better to lose a life than disobey Jehovah...but I personally believe that if the same Jehovah being preached is as merciful as He is, he wouldn't stand and watch an innocent child die of a curable condition.
Fact is science unlike religion is dynamic and also people who wrote the bible are first and foremost MEN...the inspiration is secondary.
And I'm sure I'm not wrong when I say some people in the JW have indeed snuck to hospitals at nite  to allow their children receive blood (the only way to save them barring a miracle)...and at worst, change denominations.

thats my take, as disjointed as it may sound
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- Uzzy at 23-10-2009 11:08 PM (14 years ago)
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Brizio this is ne nice one.....i actually consider this as wicked!!!

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- Uzzy at 25-10-2009 11:06 PM (14 years ago)
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Hey man wrong thread!!!

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- umide at 30-10-2009 03:02 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: Uzzy on 25-10-2009 11:06 PM
Hey man wrong thread!!!


no longthing
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- umide at 30-10-2009 03:07 PM (14 years ago)
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Quote from: Temmysam on 12-10-2009 10:43 AM
am not sure about that.
     poster go through reading

At the turn of the 20th. century, a
chance encounter brought a retired
chartered accountant with a former laboratory
technician now a spiritual healer.
For myriad ailments and diseases, particularly
as they relate to the blood, a single
remedy, sourced from local herbs, was
administered. ADETUTU FOLASADEKOYI
reports how this herbal remedy,
Jubi Blood Formula, has helped in anemic
cases, resolving some blood-related
diseases and is now relevant in the medicine
of the millennium that is antagonistic
to blood transfusion and surgery.
The sun would appear to be smiling
near high tide for Jubi Blood Formula,
once the rejected builder’s corner stone
which the makers, defiant of Doubting
Thomas medics, have been struggling to
position as an option to blood transfusion.
The Nigerian market has been slow in accepting
it. Doctors were at first unyielding
even in the face of startling evidence that
this wonderful herb stimulates the body to
make blood faster than anything known
so far by man.
But, now, all that is changing. For not
only do they prescribe Jubi, they themselves
use it! What must gladden Chief
Kolawole Awoyemi, Jubi’s discoverer,
and Mr. Olajuwon Okubena, the chartered
accountant who took it to the laboratory
and to the market-place the most is the
prospect of this product finally finding
favor with a large body of group users.
Already, many a sickle cell club across
Nigeria are on board. And the prospects
of an endorsement by the Jehovah’s witness
sect is high.
The prospect has just come from
Ajaokuta, where a Jehovah’s Witness in
dire need of blood transfusion opted for
death. But Dr. Victor Umoh, of Township
clinic, Ajaokuta, Kogi State, would
not let his patient die unnecessarily. He
dispatched an urgent SOS message to
Lagos. And, pronto, he got packs of Jubi.
Dr. Umoh reports his first encounter
with Jubi: M. A., who lives in Ajaokuta,
was rushed into the clinic on September
21, 1999, with internal bleeding due to
a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. This was
severe, and she was lapsing into unconsciousness.
The usual management of the
situation is to quickly operate and then to
replace the blood loss by transfusion. Her
PCV (packed cell volume) that day was
25 per cent, though it is known that this
will drop by the time her system adjusted
to the blood loss.. The operation to stop
the bleeding was successfully done that
same day but her relations objected to
blood transfusion for her. She is a Jehovah’s
witness. This was a dilemma because
the following day, her PCV turned
out to be 10 per cent. Now, she was fully
conscious and was fortunate in that her
bowel sounds returned early and she was
put on Jubi, two capsules, three times daily.
Two days after starting Jubi, her PCV
was 13 per cent, and nine days later she
was out of danger because her PCV had
risen to 18 per cent. Even while her PCV
was less than that, she felt strong. For fear
that she might collapse if she got up from
the bed, the medical team advised her to
remain in bed and not get up without assistance.
She started to ignore this advice
without any adverse effect three days after
surgery when her PCV was still around
11 per cent. At her final check up at our
out patient clinic on October 8, 1999 her
PCV was 25 per cent. She had remained
on Jubi Formula one capsule daily till
then. This case has emboldened us when
it comes to giving treatment without the
use of blood.
There are several other patients who
have also benefited from Jubi Formula
capsule or powder, given in place of blood
transfusion. Most sickle cell patients who
received Jubi Formula always come back
to ask for more of it. K. A.(names have
been changed on request) is a 28 year old
sickler who lives in Kaduna. She began
to use Jubi Formula in October 1999. Before
then, she suffered bone pain crisis at
two weekly intervals during any harmattan
season. Since she started taking Jubi
Formula at the rate of one capsule a day,
there has been only one crisis during the
last harmattan season and this was not
serious. Usually, she would have pain in
the joints and waist. According to her, the
other benefit she has derived from taking
Jubi Formula is that she is stronger
and can do more at work and around the
house. She is a lot more active and has
decided to keep on taking the Formula.
For Bible based reasons, Jehovah’s
Witnesses refuse blood transfusions. But
they do accept and vigorously pursue
medical alternatives to blood. Happiness
Maduakor, a Jehovah’s witness, explains
why blood transfusion is a no-no: “Blood
is sacred in God’s eyes. God says that the
soul, or life, is in the blood. It is wrong
to accept blood transfusion. Jehovah requires
that we abstain from blood. This
means that we must not take into our bodies
in any way, other people’s blood or
even our own blood that has been stored.
Jehovah’s Witnesses accept other kinds of
mechanical treatment, such as transfusion
of non-blood products like dextran, saline
or hetarch and other non-blood management.”
The attendant risks Happiness may be
referring to could be segxwally transmitted
diseases, HIV, the virus that can lead to
AIDS. Hepatitis B or even suffering from
immune reactions when another person’s
blood is transfused. Sharon Googer’s case
is another practical example. Spiritually,
Sharon Googer was a vibrant woman, a
Jehovah’s Witness who prayed every day.
But physically, Googer, 43, was dying.
A virus had attacked her heart’s lining,
causing symptoms including nausea
and shortness of breath. “It was as if (my
heart) was encrusted in cement,” she said.
But her doctors could offer no assurance
that she would survive the needed operation
without a blood transfusion. And
Googer refused to veer from her religious
belief barring the use of stored blood.
That left her with two options: prayer and
research.“Both worked,” she said. Googer
discovered a new bloodless surgical program
that began earlier this month at Atlanta
Medical Center. The program uses a
combination of drugs, surgical techniques
and special equipment to reduce the
amount of blood lost during surgery and
hence the need for blood transfusions.
Within six days, Googer was recuperating
at home, health in body and soul.
But Mr. Olajuwon Okubena is convinced
all these ‘risks’ could be curtailed
with Jubi Formula (now Jobelyn), a combination
of some local herbs. “These risks
are virtually non-existent”, he says. Pharmaceutical
product analysis conducted at
the Biochemistry department of the School
of Pharmacy, College of Medicine, of the
University of Lagos, CMUL, Idi-Araba,
Lagos, confirmed that “JubiFormula
(now Jobelyn) is very effective, not only
in restoring haematocrit level quickly but
it also has effect on the immune system.”
Laboratory reports say JubiFormula (now
Jobelyn) has the potential to be a substitute
for blood transfusion because of rapidity
of restoring blood levels. “Research studies
show that within 24 hours of administering
this compound, the packed cells
volume (PCV) is increased by as much as
15 per cent, even under very serious challenging
disease conditions.”
JubiFormula (now Jobelyn) improves not
only the red blood cells (RBC) count but
also works
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- umide at 30-10-2009 03:17 PM (14 years ago)
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COMET WAS  MADE MARCH 2000 BY ADETUTU FOLASADEKOYI
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- DHash at 5-08-2011 03:34 PM (12 years ago)
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hmm
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- PreciousA at 11-08-2011 09:10 AM (12 years ago)
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Quote from: night_sky on 10-03-2009 11:18 PM
Does anyone know about that case in the uk. This girl, think she was 15 and was sick (don't remember what she had) and said she didn't want either a blood transfusion or an organ that could possibly save her life (again, don't remember which, but think it was a blood transfusion) b/c she was a Jehova's witness and her parents stood by her and said it was her choice. A lotta pple said they were the ones who were behind the whole thing. Anyways, I'm wondering what happened to her...if she died....sure some of u uk pple wud know...

You know she changed her mind later?
Read up on the case.
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- FinlandGuy at 17-09-2012 03:54 AM (11 years ago)
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Quote from: lonelyzeal on 15-10-2008 02:48 PM
khadijah, it is a big lie that Jehovah's witnesses don't believe in hospital.They make use of every medical facility so long as it does not conflict with the principles laid down in the bible.that will mean committing suicide if you don't go to hospital and that is one crime that is not associated with the witnesses. They believe the Bible's command @ (Acts 15:28, 29) that Christians must "abstain from blood".come to think of all the complications of blood transfusion.people still get infected with infections through blood transfusion. so the question here is, "how safe is safe blood?"
You are right
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- FinlandGuy at 17-09-2012 03:56 AM (11 years ago)
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Quote from: saffronsharon on 15-10-2008 04:05 PM
d answer is just explained in this bible portion(Acts 15:28, 29) that Christians must "abstain from blood".
4 their xtian faith which is strictly based on d bible,no body is compelled 2 adhere,rather d reverencial fear of GOD is wat will keep u from tinking otherwise.
Jehovahs witnesses are down to earth a nice religion to belong.
your spiritual life will be biult.and dat is 4all those who  value spiritual tins.
tanks am out.......................SAFFRON
I believe you brother,i have seen dem as good people,humbe to the core
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